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Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:34 pm

poptart wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:44 am
But top 10 is very exclusive territory, and I am not at all sure he has 4 rings (or even 3) without K. Durant.

That’s a pretty lame statement. None of those players ever won a championship without their teammates. Curry has two rings without Durant, which is two more than Durant has without Curry.

Curry makes everyone around him elevate their game. He was man enough to blend his game with Durant’s without ever bitching about not necessarily being “The Man” all the time. Whatever it takes to win.

A lot of people were predicting that the Nets would go all the way this season. Remind me where they ended up?

Magic never won a ring without Kareem. Kareem only one without Magic. And in ‘71 he was playing with Chamberlain, Baylor, West and Goodrich. The “Showtime” Lakers are one of my favorite all-time teams in ANY sport, but don’t forget there were a few other HOF players in that group. Wilkes, Worthy, McAdoo…

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:37 pm I don’t know what your “top ten” list is here. Best players? Game changers? Whatever, if the transition was movement away from peach baskets , you’re prolly excited by it.

Game changers:
MJ
Magic
Russell
Wilt
Jabbar
Bron
Big O
Kobe
Steph
Shaq
West
Larry

Many great players, some of which have been mentioned, but not necessarily game changers.

Kierland wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:11 am

poptart wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:22 am

Kierland wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:33 pm As I have stated before, and backed it up with stats, Michael isn’t even top 5. He is somewhere in the 6-10 range.

You don't need to post the stats if you don't want to, but what is the gist of the argument that Jordan is in the 6-10 range?

He holds no major records and isn’t even the best scorer when that was supposed to be his thing. He doesn’t have the most rings and winning was supposed to be his thing. He quit on his team and again winning was supposed to be his thing. He is below every “great player” and about 100something other dudes in rebounds, hell Kobe has hundreds more and being better than Kobe was supposed to be his thing. Magic, Lebron, Kobe, Bird and even Kareem have more assists and Wilt lead the league one year just because people said he couldn’t and being better than those guys was supposed to be his thing. He couldn’t win till a bunch of guys left the league but being dominant in his era was supposed to be his thing. The more I think about it, I’m probably being generous saying 6-10, and always being right is supposed to be my thing.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:18 am Leaving Cousy out is like cutting Laver from the tennis top ten, and that's simply bullshit.

MS" wrote: That Jordon won 6/6 finals MVPs is like my total point, he was popular without being very good. That he won 10 scoring titles and isn’t the number one, or two or three or even four is also my point, he wasn’t any good till the great players left the nba. He was a better defensive player than most and he still isn’t the steals leader. Thanks for making my point for me.

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:20 am Defense involves more than steals, obviously.

Winning championships is important.

MJ won championships.

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:00 pm

MS" wrote: That Jordon won 6/6 finals MVPs is like my total point, he was popular without being very good. That he won 10 scoring titles and isn’t the number one, or two or three or even four is also my point, he wasn’t any good till the great players left the nba. He was a better defensive player than most and he still isn’t the steals leader. Thanks for making my point for me.

Having the most (or a lot) of steals is not THE defining mark of a great defensive player.

I don't know how someone wins 6 NBA Finals MVP awards (in 6 tries) and leads the league in scoring 10 seasons while being "not very good."

I think your strongest points are that he "quit" on his team for a couple of years, and that earlier in his career he did get beat by Larry and the Celtics and Isaiah and the Pistons a few times when it really mattered.

But nobody wins them all.

The guy is one of the legends.

Kierland wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:51 pm That Jordon won 6/6 finals MVPs is like my total point, he was popular without being very good.

Bob Cousy

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:38 pm

Kierland wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:51 pm That Jordon won 6/6 finals MVPs is like my total point, he was popular without being very good.

My god, this cannot be a real take. Michael Jordan wasn't very good? That's your take?

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:39 pm MJ is a top 3 all time NBA player, but according to you, he wasn't very good.

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:03 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:39 pm MJ is a top 3 all time NBA player, but according to you, he wasn't very good.

Consider the source…

poptart wrote:If they are not going to call traveling, the whole product is very suspect, to say the least.

SM wrote:There has been a systemic ignoring of traveling in the NBA for decades. Stop pretending otherwise.

Arthur Dent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:48 am No doubt Kierland finds it racist that NBA refs enforce any rules.

Arthur Dent wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:48 am No doubt Kierland finds it racist that NBA refs enforce any rules.

poptart wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:44 am Fwiw, I do not have Steph Curry in my top 10.

Best distance shooter ever, best 3 pt shooter ever, terrific ball-handler, great teammate.
But top 10 is very exclusive territory, and I am not at all sure he has 4 rings (or even 3) without K. Durant.
Let's see what he does in his remaining years.


1. Jabbar
2. MJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Larry Legend
6. Wilt
7. LeBron
8. Duncan
9. Dr. J
10. Kobe

11. Shaq
Hakeem
Curry
J. West
The Big O
K. Malone
M. Malone
(in some order, or thereabouts)

FiatLux wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:45 am Who do you think will win the 2022 NBA Championship?

Game 1: Thursday, June 2: Golden State vs. Boston, 9 ET, ABC
Game 2: Sunday, June 5: Golden State vs. Boston , 8 ET, ABC
Game 3: Wednesday, June 8: Boston vs. Golden State, 9 ET, ABC
Game 4: Friday, June 10: Boston vs. Golden State, 9 ET, ABC
Game 5: Monday, June 13: Golden State vs. Boston, 9 ET, ABC (If necessary)
Game 6: Thursday, June 16: Boston vs. Golden State, 9 ET, ABC (If necessary)
Game 7: Sunday, June 19: Golden State vs. Boston, 8 ET, ABC (If necessary)

Sven Golly wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 6:56 pm

FiatLux wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:45 am Who do you think will win the 2022 NBA Championship?

Game 1: Thursday, June 2: Golden State vs. Boston, 9 ET, ABC
Game 2: Sunday, June 5: Golden State vs. Boston , 8 ET, ABC
Game 3: Wednesday, June 8: Boston vs. Golden State, 9 ET, ABC
Game 4: Friday, June 10: Boston vs. Golden State, 9 ET, ABC
Game 5: Monday, June 13: Golden State vs. Boston, 9 ET, ABC (If necessary)
Game 6: Thursday, June 16: Boston vs. Golden State, 9 ET, ABC (If necessary)
Game 7: Sunday, June 19: Golden State vs. Boston, 8 ET, ABC (If necessary)

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Yawn. More woke nonsense. NOT in.