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HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:13 am

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:45 am

HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:17 am I don't see what's so offensive about the ten commandments. Unless you're a big fan of lying, murder, adultery, disrespecting your parents and other devious stuff.

That’s not the point, is it? The first three (or four depending on which version you’re using) aren’t exactly compatible with religious freedom. Or are you on board with forcing Christianity on everyone? That concept has had a few questionable outcomes historically.

Is there an enforcement arm I'm not aware of? Where is religious freedom being usurped or Christianity being forced?

Link a brother to this Christian totalitarianism, please.

I'm not sure what you are referring to about enforcement. Are you talking about enforcing the requirement that the Commandments be posted in every classroom, or actually enforcing the Commandments? In the first case, yes I'm sure that it will be enforced. In the latter case, it's irrelevant to the question. Keep in mind, we are talking about schools. Of course nobody is going to go into a second grade classroom to "enforce" the 10 Commandments. But if you put up a poster labeled "Commandments" how are those second graders supposed to interpret them? A teacher puts up a list of commandments (rules) is she going to explain that they aren't actually going to have the police around to enforce them? So just pick whichever ones you want to follow, because our rules are optional. Yeah, that's a really good way to teach kids how to behave. If you were a parent, and not a Christian, would you be happy sending your kids to a school with posted rules stating that they have to be Christian?

Thou shalt not commit adultery


What happens when a 6 year old asks what this means?

I thought "Trumpers" didn't want kids being taught about sex in school?


Trumpers are such fucking pedO's.


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Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:37 pm

HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:13 am

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:45 am

That’s not the point, is it? The first three (or four depending on which version you’re using) aren’t exactly compatible with religious freedom. Or are you on board with forcing Christianity on everyone? That concept has had a few questionable outcomes historically.

Is there an enforcement arm I'm not aware of? Where is religious freedom being usurped or Christianity being forced?

Link a brother to this Christian totalitarianism, please.

I'm not sure what you are referring to about enforcement. Are you talking about enforcing the requirement that the Commandments be posted in every classroom, or actually enforcing the Commandments? In the first case, yes I'm sure that it will be enforced. In the latter case, it's irrelevant to the question. Keep in mind, we are talking about schools. Of course nobody is going to go into a second grade classroom to "enforce" the 10 Commandments. But if you put up a poster labeled "Commandments" how are those second graders supposed to interpret them? A teacher puts up a list of commandments (rules) is she going to explain that they aren't actually going to have the police around to enforce them? So just pick whichever ones you want to follow, because our rules are optional. Yeah, that's a really good way to teach kids how to behave. If you were a parent, and not a Christian, would you be happy sending your kids to a school with posted rules stating that they have to be Christian?

Yes. We haven't seen someone go into an elementary school classroom to enforce the commandments.
But which commandments might you be referring to son??

Would it be the "pronoun" commandments?
Because all across the country, in government schools from k-12, including junior colleges and universities, WE HAVE SEEN school officials enforcing "pronoun" commandments.

We've seen school officials allow biological males showering and changing with biological women and girls, BY DEFINITION, that's enforcement.
You want your daughter and granddaughter inches away from a tranny 13' schlong????

I know you don't care that Riley Gaines was told she had to shower and change with a tranny who had a huge schlong. After all, she's not your daughter.

Riley and her teammates complained to school officials. However, the school officials recommended that SHE seek psychological counseling.

Those psychotic left-wing school officials should be terminated and put to work in a McDonald's.

CANT WAIT to see the LGBTQ. A. I. ten commandments, coming soon to a government school near you.

1. Thou shalt gaze upon tranny schlong.
2. Thou shalt not covet tranny schlong, BUT, by all means, feel free to shove it down your throat.
3. Sodomy, seven ways from Sunday.
4. Boycott chik fil a.
5. .Boy. George, Elton John, RuPaul, the HOLY
Trinity.
666. Satan loves you.

7. __________________(left blank just because)
8. "Weird. Science"
9. *$"F**K@*%&¥¿×°♡
10. Remember to commit fornication daily.

EVERY CLASSROOM. EVERYWHERE!

What the ever loving fuck are you babbling about?

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:50 pm What the ever loving fuck are you babbling about?

I think what he's basically saying is that people are losing their minds about kids being exposed to anything (gasp) Christian... but they don't seem to care about any number of other, far more damaging ideologies plaguing public schools. Which is kind of the point I was making when I posted earlier in this thread.

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:58 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:50 pm What the ever loving fuck are you babbling about?

I think what he's basically saying is that people are losing their minds about kids being exposed to anything (gasp) Christian... but they don't seem to care about any number of other, far more damaging ideologies plaguing public schools. Which is kind of the point I was making when I posted earlier in this thread.

BINGO!!!!

"FAR MORE DAMAGING"

And THAT'S the understatement of the century!

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:58 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:50 pm What the ever loving fuck are you babbling about?

I think what he's basically saying is that people are losing their minds about kids being exposed to anything (gasp) Christian... but they don't seem to care about any number of other, far more damaging ideologies plaguing public schools. Which is kind of the point I was making when I posted earlier in this thread.

OK. I’ll take into account that this comes from someone who doesn’t know the difference between religion and ideology. Your little buddy isn’t even worth the effort of a serious response.

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:12 pm

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:58 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:50 pm What the ever loving fuck are you babbling about?

I think what he's basically saying is that people are losing their minds about kids being exposed to anything (gasp) Christian... but they don't seem to care about any number of other, far more damaging ideologies plaguing public schools. Which is kind of the point I was making when I posted earlier in this thread.

OK. I’ll take into account that this comes from someone who doesn’t know the difference between religion and ideology. Your little buddy isn’t even worth the effort of a serious response.

Let's discuss religion vs. Ideology.

Religion is faith based.

From what we've seen thus far, the entire "woke" left-wing movement is indeed. "Faith based"

There's NO real science behind "57 genders" or any number of these "woke" ideologies.
Take your pick.

And yes, we can "BACK UP" the claim of these "faith based " left-wing ideologies being "FAR MORE DAMAGING" by virtue of the recent BAN on these drugs to aid children in their quest to change their sex.

Yes, Europe just BANNED these drugs.

You left-wing types LOVE Europe. Do you still LOVE Europe? They just went against your Ideology.

ALL OF EUROPE!

Not some redneck outpost in the middle of nowhere.

ALL OF EUROPE.

ANY QUESTIONS?

JPGettysburg wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:24 pm
ANY QUESTIONS?

Why are you still here?

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:12 pm OK. I’ll take into account that this comes from someone who doesn’t know the difference between religion and ideology. Your little buddy isn’t even worth the effort of a serious response.

Hiding behind words, Mikey? You were fretting over Christian indoctrination, and from what I can tell, you still are. Why? And you hide behind the fact that I gave you the word ideology instead of religion, even though the ideologies in question are highly damaging, and are being pushed on kids in public schools. Why? Why do you prefer the broken system?

FiatLux wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:30 pm Thou shalt not commit adultery


What happens when a 6 year old asks what this means?

I thought "Trumpers" didn't want kids being taught about sex in school?

Right after drag queen story hour?

FiatLux wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:30 pm Thou shalt not commit adultery


What happens when a 6 year old asks what this means?

Parents should not cheat on their spouses. No sordid details need to be explained.
Seriously, this isn't hard. It's GOOD to know that cheating is bad -- and lying, stealing, coveting, dishonoring parents, also bad. Unless you like people who do those sorts of things, in which case, that's your problem.

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:29 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:12 pm OK. I’ll take into account that this comes from someone who doesn’t know the difference between religion and ideology. Your little buddy isn’t even worth the effort of a serious response.

Hiding behind words, Mikey? You were fretting over Christian indoctrination, and from what I can tell, you still are. Why? And you hide behind the fact that I gave you the word ideology instead of religion, even though the ideologies in question are highly damaging, and are being pushed on kids in public schools. Why? Why do you prefer the broken system?

I haven’t seen any classrooms with signs saying “thou shalt surrender thy genitalia to the LGBTQ police.” Or “thou shalt shower with those of another gender. And enjoy it.” Maybe I’ve been away too long. Have you seen this? I would not want kids to be taught this, but you seem to be a bit hysterical about it. I have no problem teaching kids not to murder, steal, cheat on their spouses, etc. In fact most religions, and even atheists, embrace those same principles. But I do have a problem with the first two (or three) rules shouting that you must be a Christian or you will burn in Hell. Why haven’t you even considered this issue? There certainly are plenty of so-called Christian leaders who haven’t followed the other rules. Pedophiles, rapists, adulterers and murderers abound. And yet you would overlook all of these to push YOUR religion, which you mischaracterize as merely an ideology. Do two wrongs make a right?

How would you feel about it, as a parent, if you were Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, or whatever? They don’t matter I guess because they’re outnumbered by the likes of you. How very Christian of you.

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:57 pm

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:29 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:12 pm OK. I’ll take into account that this comes from someone who doesn’t know the difference between religion and ideology. Your little buddy isn’t even worth the effort of a serious response.

Hiding behind words, Mikey? You were fretting over Christian indoctrination, and from what I can tell, you still are. Why? And you hide behind the fact that I gave you the word ideology instead of religion, even though the ideologies in question are highly damaging, and are being pushed on kids in public schools. Why? Why do you prefer the broken system?

I haven’t seen any classrooms with signs saying “thou shalt surrender thy genitalia to the LGBTQ police.” Or “thou shalt shower with those of another gender. And enjoy it.” Maybe I’ve been away too long. Have you seen this? I would not want kids to be taught this, but you seem to be a bit hysterical about it. I have no problem teaching kids not to murder, steal, cheat on their spouses, etc. In fact most religions, and even atheists, embrace those same principles. But I do have a problem with the first two (or three) rules shouting that you must be a Christian or you will burn in Hell. Why haven’t you even considered this issue? There certainly are plenty of so-called Christian leaders who haven’t followed the other rules. Pedophiles, rapists, adulterers and murderers abound. And yet you would overlook all of these to push YOUR religion, which you mischaracterize as merely an ideology. Do two wrongs make a right?

How would you feel about it, as a parent, if you were Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, or whatever? They don’t matter I guess because they’re outnumbered by the likes of you. How very Christian of you.

Are you lying?
The Riley Gaines situation was reported all across the country.
The school openly supported biological males showering and changing with biological women and girls. Have you been asleep the past few years?

When the girls complained about male genitalia just inches from their faces, the school officials told these girls to seek psychological counseling.



So you honestly don't know anything about this school sanctioning this abhorrent policy?

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:57 pm

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:29 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:12 pm OK. I’ll take into account that this comes from someone who doesn’t know the difference between religion and ideology. Your little buddy isn’t even worth the effort of a serious response.

Hiding behind words, Mikey? You were fretting over Christian indoctrination, and from what I can tell, you still are. Why? And you hide behind the fact that I gave you the word ideology instead of religion, even though the ideologies in question are highly damaging, and are being pushed on kids in public schools. Why? Why do you prefer the broken system?

I haven’t seen any classrooms with signs saying “thou shalt surrender thy genitalia to the LGBTQ police.” Or “thou shalt shower with those of another gender. And enjoy it.” Maybe I’ve been away too long. Have you seen this? I would not want kids to be taught this, but you seem to be a bit hysterical about it. I have no problem teaching kids not to murder, steal, cheat on their spouses, etc. In fact most religions, and even atheists, embrace those same principles. But I do have a problem with the first two (or three) rules shouting that you must be a Christian or you will burn in Hell. Why haven’t you even considered this issue? There certainly are plenty of so-called Christian leaders who haven’t followed the other rules. Pedophiles, rapists, adulterers and murderers abound. And yet you would overlook all of these to push YOUR religion, which you mischaracterize as merely an ideology. Do two wrongs make a right?

How would you feel about it, as a parent, if you were Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, or whatever? They don’t matter I guess because they’re outnumbered by the likes of you. How very Christian of you.

Or for that matter how would she feel if the parts of the Koran were posted expressing similar sentiments?

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:34 pm

FiatLux wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:30 pm Thou shalt not commit adultery


What happens when a 6 year old asks what this means?

Parents should not cheat on their spouses. No sordid details need to be explained.
Seriously, this isn't hard.

You seriously think a 6-year-old's going to know what cheating on your spouse is?

Too funny.


Religion has a tendency to fuck people up.

Maybe they should be teaching that in school instead. At least they'll be getting the truth.

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:57 pm I haven’t seen any classrooms with signs saying “thou shalt surrender thy genitalia to the LGBTQ police.” Or “thou shalt shower with those of another gender. And enjoy it.” Maybe I’ve been away too long. Have you seen this? I would not want kids to be taught this, but you seem to be a bit hysterical about it. I have no problem teaching kids not to murder, steal, cheat on their spouses, etc. In fact most religions, and even atheists, embrace those same principles. But I do have a problem with the first two (or three) rules shouting that you must be a Christian or you will burn in Hell. Why haven’t you even considered this issue? There certainly are plenty of so-called Christian leaders who haven’t followed the other rules. Pedophiles, rapists, adulterers and murderers abound. And yet you would overlook all of these to push YOUR religion, which you mischaracterize as merely an ideology. Do two wrongs make a right?

How would you feel about it, as a parent, if you were Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, or whatever? They don’t matter I guess because they’re outnumbered by the likes of you. How very Christian of you.

Several things:
1) I love that you, the person who named this thread, are accusing someone else of hysteria. It’s perfect.
2) I didn’t call Christianity an ideology.
3) None of the 10 Commandments say you will burn in hell if you aren’t a Christian, and
4) Did you really just ask if Jewish parents would mind the 10 Commandments being on the wall in their kids’ classroom?

Would you like to tap out now and just take the L?

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:32 pm Or for that matter how would she feel if the parts of the Koran were posted expressing similar sentiments?

You ask as though this is a question you shouldn’t also answer. While you do, include the pseudo-religious ideologies already mentioned in this thread. You okay with kids being taught about those?

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:34 pm

FiatLux wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:30 pm Thou shalt not commit adultery


What happens when a 6 year old asks what this means?

Parents should not cheat on their spouses. No sordid details need to be explained.
Seriously, this isn't hard.

Oh, wait… so you support the LA legislation if it comes with the disclaimer;
“These ‘Commandments’ are subject to self-interpretation to meet personal convenience.” Got it.
I wish your kids well with their customized, selective education.

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:04 am Oh, wait… so you support the LA legislation if it comes with the disclaimer;
“These ‘Commandments’ are subject to self-interpretation to meet personal convenience.” Got it.
I wish your kids well with their customized, selective education.

Calm down, Bill. Everything you read is subject to self-interpretation. This is by far the least hideous thing potentially being taught in public schools right now, it’s interesting that you feel so strongly about it.

And thanks; my kids are doing great. :)

I’m editing to add a question. Bill, do you have kids? If yes, wouldn’t you PREFER to provide your kids with a customized, selective education? I’m trying to figure out why you’d use the terms in a way that seems less than favorable.

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:13 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:32 pm Or for that matter how would she feel if the parts of the Koran were posted expressing similar sentiments?

You ask as though this is a question you shouldn’t also answer. While you do, include the pseudo-religious ideologies already mentioned in this thread. You okay with kids being taught about those?

How about no religion being taught in school?
Teach that shit at home.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:21 am

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:13 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:32 pm Or for that matter how would she feel if the parts of the Koran were posted expressing similar sentiments?

You ask as though this is a question you shouldn’t also answer. While you do, include the pseudo-religious ideologies already mentioned in this thread. You okay with kids being taught about those?

How about no religion being taught in school?
Teach that shit at home.

Are you including pseudo-religious ideologies in that? If so, perfect. Good job.

A sign from G0D:

Watch the video of the Governor signing the bill into law, as a child faints

Roux wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:33 am A sign from G0D:

Watch the video of the Governor signing the bill into law, as a child faints

That would have been perfect if it had happened at the signing of the bill loosening child labor laws in AR...

ppanther wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:28 am

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:21 am

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:13 pm
You ask as though this is a question you shouldn’t also answer. While you do, include the pseudo-religious ideologies already mentioned in this thread. You okay with kids being taught about those?

How about no religion being taught in school?
Teach that shit at home.

Are you including pseudo-religious ideologies in that? If so, perfect. Good job.

Care to be more specific regarding "pseudo-religious ideologies?"

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:53 am Care to be more specific regarding "pseudo-religious ideologies?"

Take your pick. Many have already been discussed in this thread. How about anything that isn’t the three Rs?

ppanther wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:10 am
Calm down, Bill. Everything you read is subject to self-interpretation. This is by far the least hideous thing potentially being taught in public schools right now, it’s interesting that you feel so strongly about it.

And thanks; my kids are doing great. :)

I’m editing to add a question. Bill, do you have kids? If yes, wouldn’t you PREFER to provide your kids with a customized, selective education? I’m trying to figure out why you’d use the terms in a way that seems less than favorable.

Sure, spin whatever you read. And whatever you hear. And whatever you see. Since that’s your philosophy, what’s the problem with your kids being exposed to public schools? Let them interpret as they may.

I prefer all kids receive a broad education and exposure to ideas I both agree and disagree with. Give them critical thinking skills and let them decide what to think.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:17 pm 1) Why do you think that Amy Coathanger Barrett would vote against the 10 C's?

2) Why do you think that Thomas Jefferson in his 1803 letter to the Danbury Baptist Church explained his interpretation of the Establishment Clause as being a separation of church & state, not church & government?

3) Similarly, can you point to any SCOTUS cases where they established that the word government was only applicable to the federal body?

1. My understanding is that just the 10 Commandments are being ordered into the schools. That will not survive scrutiny. There needs to be an opportunity for all to participate if it is to pass the test. The Ten Commandments are in the Supreme Court’s hearing room (with other historical law providing things that are not Christian).

2. Thomas Jefferson probably felt that way. But he alone didn’t get to make the final decisions regarding the wording of the Constitution, and others felt differently.

3. The word “government” does not appear in the First Amendment. It is short. You should read it.

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:38 am Sure, spin whatever you read. And whatever you hear. And whatever you see. Since that’s your philosophy, what’s the problem with your kids being exposed to public schools? Let them interpret as they may.

I prefer all kids receive a broad education and exposure to ideas I both agree and disagree with. Give them critical thinking skills and let them decide what to think.

I'm not sure why you're so bitter about my kids being homeschooled, Bill.

I don't even know what you're talking about with "spinning" -- this started with me saying 6-year-olds don't need to know the dirty details of adultery, and of course, they don't. They also won't ask what it is, most of the time, because kids tend to let things that go over their heads stay there. I'm not sure how that turned into something where I "spun" and "self-interpreted" anything -- I didn't change the meaning of adultery. So calm down.

My kids receive a broad education, thanks for your concern. They have goals beyond the homeschool, and it's my job to make sure they're prepared. If their chosen colleges and the NCAA have no problem with what they're learning, I'm thinking you shouldn't either. The beauty of the schooling we do is that they DO learn how to think, which is something public schools don't teach very well.

Kids in public schools have been struggling hard. Maybe you just haven't noticed?

ppanther wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:17 am
I don't even know what you're talking about with "spinning" -- this started with me saying 6-year-olds don't need to know the dirty details of adultery, and of course, they don't. They also won't ask what it is, most of the time, because kids tend to let things that go over their heads stay there. I'm not sure how that turned into something where I "spun" and "self-interpreted" anything -- I didn't change the meaning of adultery. So calm down.

My kids receive a broad education, thanks for your concern. They have goals beyond the homeschool, and it's my job to make sure they're prepared for it. If their chosen colleges and the NCAA have no problem with what they're learning, I'm thinking you shouldn't either. The beauty of the schooling we do is that they DO learn how to think, which is something public schools don't teach very well.

Kids in public schools have been struggling hard. Maybe you just haven't noticed?

You certainly did spin your own definition of adultery. Certainly isn’t what the ten c meaning. Or maybe you used the homeschooling definition?

If your criteria for children’s educational preparedness is NCAA admission, you have quite a low bar. But good to know you’re satisfied.

Sorry to hear your local school is so poor. Don’t judge them all based on that.

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:36 am You certainly did spin your own definition of adultery. Certainly isn’t what the ten c meaning. Or maybe you used the homeschooling definition?

If your criteria for children’s educational preparedness is NCAA admission, you have quite a low bar. But good to know you’re satisfied.

Sorry to hear your local school is so poor. Don’t judge them all based on that.

Maybe you imagined where I changed the definition of adultery? That's really the only explanation that works.

NCAA doesn't "admit" people, Bill. But in order to be "eligible" to play NCAA sports, one must meet specific course requirements. Now it's true, the GPA for NCAA eligibility isn't very high. What you might find interesting is that the colleges with good programs DO tend to have higher GPA requirements. Perhaps this is not something you've ever had to manage before? My kids don't do a "big money" sport, so they are unlikely to be let in with sub-par academics.

I don't know how many times I can tell you this isn't abstract, Bill. I'm not telling you what might happen if I were to homeschool my kids. I'm telling you what IS happening. They're happy, well-adjusted, fitter than I've ever been in my life, learning lots, and becoming really cool adults. Your concern is not needed.

As public schools go, our local school is actually one of the best. But it's not better than our homeschool.

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:36 am

ppanther wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:17 am
I don't even know what you're talking about with "spinning" -- this started with me saying 6-year-olds don't need to know the dirty details of adultery, and of course, they don't. They also won't ask what it is, most of the time, because kids tend to let things that go over their heads stay there. I'm not sure how that turned into something where I "spun" and "self-interpreted" anything -- I didn't change the meaning of adultery. So calm down.

My kids receive a broad education, thanks for your concern. They have goals beyond the homeschool, and it's my job to make sure they're prepared for it. If their chosen colleges and the NCAA have no problem with what they're learning, I'm thinking you shouldn't either. The beauty of the schooling we do is that they DO learn how to think, which is something public schools don't teach very well.

Kids in public schools have been struggling hard. Maybe you just haven't noticed?

You certainly did spin your own definition of adultery. Certainly isn’t what the ten c meaning. Or maybe you used the homeschooling definition?

If your criteria for children’s educational preparedness is NCAA admission, you have quite a low bar. But good to know you’re satisfied.

Sorry to hear your local school is so poor. Don’t judge them all based on that.

You're the one who's spinning, bobbing and weaving, squirming like a fish on the dock.

"Sorry to hear your school is so poor"



You are living in a "brainwashed" fog, a warped and distorted, twisted reality.

The vast majority of secular government schools are poor. And that's an understatement.

This wasn't the case a half century ago. But here we are. The "left" has systematically taken the public school system and laid it to waste. Teachers are "handcuffed" while the inmates NOW run the asylum, so to speak.

But go ahead and deny that reality like you deny everything else.

ppanther wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:53 am

Bill in Houston wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:36 am You certainly did spin your own definition of adultery. Certainly isn’t what the ten c meaning. Or maybe you used the homeschooling definition?

If your criteria for children’s educational preparedness is NCAA admission, you have quite a low bar. But good to know you’re satisfied.

Sorry to hear your local school is so poor. Don’t judge them all based on that.

Maybe you imagined where I changed the definition of adultery? That's really the only explanation that works.

NCAA doesn't "admit" people, Bill. But in order to be "eligible" to play NCAA sports, one must meet specific course requirements. Now it's true, the GPA for NCAA eligibility isn't very high. What you might find interesting is that the colleges with good programs DO tend to have higher GPA requirements. Perhaps this is not something you've ever had to manage before? My kids don't do a "big money" sport, so they are unlikely to be let in with sub-par academics.

I don't know how many times I can tell you this isn't abstract, Bill. I'm not telling you what might happen if I were to homeschool my kids. I'm telling you what IS happening. They're happy, well-adjusted, fitter than I've ever been in my life, learning lots, and becoming really cool adults. Your concern is not needed.

As public schools go, our local school is actually one of the best. But it's not better than our homeschool.

Are there some really good public schools? Of course. But the vast majority are poor. Teachers are handcuffed while the inmates now run the asylum.

There's no critical thinking. It's the exact opposite, it's called "indoctrination". A tool of the "left-wing" secular collective to control the "weak minded" masses.

JPGettysburg wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:42 am Are there some really good public schools? Of course. But the vast majority are poor. Teachers are handcuffed while the inmates now run the asylum.

There's no critical thinking. It's the exact opposite, it's called "indoctrination". A tool of the "left-wing" secular collective to control the "weak minded" masses.

"Good" as in: if I absolutely had no choice but to send my kids to public school, the one nearest me is the one I'd choose. Still loaded with craziness, and you're right, no critical thinking. I don't blame the teachers, some of them are probably pretty great. My son has loved being on the school's swim team. He has some team records, so his name is on the board, even though he's never attended a class there. Is that what the kids call scoreboard?

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:09 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:57 pm I haven’t seen any classrooms with signs saying “thou shalt surrender thy genitalia to the LGBTQ police.” Or “thou shalt shower with those of another gender. And enjoy it.” Maybe I’ve been away too long. Have you seen this? I would not want kids to be taught this, but you seem to be a bit hysterical about it. I have no problem teaching kids not to murder, steal, cheat on their spouses, etc. In fact most religions, and even atheists, embrace those same principles. But I do have a problem with the first two (or three) rules shouting that you must be a Christian or you will burn in Hell. Why haven’t you even considered this issue? There certainly are plenty of so-called Christian leaders who haven’t followed the other rules. Pedophiles, rapists, adulterers and murderers abound. And yet you would overlook all of these to push YOUR religion, which you mischaracterize as merely an ideology. Do two wrongs make a right?

How would you feel about it, as a parent, if you were Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, or whatever? They don’t matter I guess because they’re outnumbered by the likes of you. How very Christian of you.

Several things:
1) I love that you, the person who named this thread, are accusing someone else of hysteria. It’s perfect.
2) I didn’t call Christianity an ideology.
3) None of the 10 Commandments say you will burn in hell if you aren’t a Christian, and
4) Did you really just ask if Jewish parents would mind the 10 Commandments being on the wall in their kids’ classroom?

Would you like to tap out now and just take the L?

Several things:

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:09 pm 1) I love that you, the person who named this thread, are accusing someone else of hysteria. It’s perfect.

Brava. Excellent use of IKYABWAI.
The title of the thread is the title of the article that I linked and quoted in the first post. An article which, apparently, you didn't bother to read. I had no idea at the time that it would turn into a shouting match with a MAGA soccer mom whose greatest fear, apparently, is that one of her kids might turn out to be gay, and she'd be blamed for it by her MAGA soccer mom friends.

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:09 pm 2) I didn’t call Christianity an ideology.

Maybe not, but you did state that the "woke" ideology is the same thing as a religion which, by definition, it is not.

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:09 pm 3) None of the 10 Commandments say you will burn in hell if you aren’t a Christian

No, but the Protestant ideology (yes, religion and ideology are related, but not the same thing) pushes the fear that disobeying them will lead to that result.

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:09 pm 4) Did you really just ask if Jewish parents would mind the 10 Commandments being on the wall in their kids’ classroom?

Yes, I did. The first of the Ten Commandments as stated in the Torah is:

I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

I presume that's not what will be posted in Louisiana classrooms. The Koran also has a version of the Ten Commandments that's somewhat different. Even the Catholic version is different than the Protestant version (which is what will be required in Louisiana). The Catholic version doesn't warn against "graven images." I guess they won't be making any graven images in Louisiana art classes.

And you used this last item to (not so) deftly avoid answering my question. How would you feel if the state required, in their public schools, a version of the Ten Commandments that's different than the one your religion follows. Would you not see that as an unwelcome religious indoctrination? I guess you're not willing to provide an honest answer to that.

I personally have no problem with the content of the Ten Commandments, and no problem with posting most of them, as rules to live by, in public schools. But some of them are obvious religious indoctrination and should be left to religious institutions or, even better yet, the parents who should be teaching these concepts. In Louisiana it's obviously a political power play, which makes it even more objectionable.

ppanther wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:09 pm Would you like to tap out now and just take the L?

Maybe I will tap out here. This is like arguing with a brick wall.
But while you're taking your victory lap, be careful not to trip and land on your face.

No.
The reason you "tapped out" a long time ago, is due to your massive "cognitive dissonance".

Secular government schools have become "indoctrination camps" where ZERO critical thinking is required.

K-12. AND so-called "higher learning" institutions.

Indoctrination camps run by leftists.

JPGettysburg wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:47 pm "cognitive dissonance"

Big, impressive words. I doubt you even know what they mean

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:18 pm Brava. Excellent use of IKYABWAI.

Oh no. Please tell me I didn't break one of your precious message board rules. I don't think I'll recover from this comeback, which -- I mean, wow. You're a true master of the game, Mikey.

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:18 pm The title of the thread is the title of the article that I linked and quoted in the first post. An article which, apparently, you didn't bother to read. I had no idea at the time that it would turn into a shouting match with a MAGA soccer mom whose greatest fear, apparently, is that one of her kids might turn out to be gay, and she'd be blamed for it by her MAGA soccer mom friends.

I don't agree with your Brainwashed Liberal ideas, therefore I am MAGA. Check!
I have kids. I like my kids. They play a sport. Therefore, I am a (MAGA) Soccer Mom. Check!
Why do you feel the need to attack, Mikey? Just wondering. This must be smack! Excellent work! I'm sure you're very proud, insulting people who don't agree with you.

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:18 pm Maybe not, but you did state that the "woke" ideology is the same thing as a religion which, by definition, it is not.

...

No, but the Protestant ideology (yes, religion and ideology are related, but not the same thing) pushes the fear that disobeying them will lead to that result.

Okay, Mikey.

I really love how you tried to cover up the fact that you forgot Jewish people also have 10 commandments.
I'm sure Muslims also have their own version, though I'm assuming it may be slightly different. I haven't studied the Koran, and unlike some most excellent message board smack types, I don't want to pretend I know more than I do.

To answer your question: I don't actually care what is displayed in classrooms except in the abstract, since my kids are not in them.
This thread features a lot of people losing their minds over Christianity being taught, displayed in classrooms, etc. My point, upon entering the discussion, was that I find it interesting that YOU (and others) are so upset over Christianity, yet you have NO ISSUE with other *ideologies* (ahem, pseudo-religions) being forced on children. Ideologies which, by the way, are causing some serious damage.

Why can't you see it? Is it your own pride? You can't speak out against any MSNBC golden calves?
Kids are anxious, depressed, addicted to devices, confused about who they are, can't debate, can't think, can't tolerate opinions other than their own (which were largely fed to them by educators)... and you think that's a good thing?
Christianity is obviously the problem.

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:18 pm But while you're taking your victory lap, be careful not to trip and land on your face.

Whoah. Good one!

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:53 pm

JPGettysburg wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:47 pm "cognitive dissonance"

Big, impressive words. I doubt you even know what they mean

Well, before we get to the definition, we must first understand that you are an intelligent person.

You CLEARLY know that the presidents of universities joyfully tolerated chants by racist sociopaths of "Gas the jews" "kill the jews" etc.....etc......ALL across the country.
And you CLEARLY know that these very same college presidents would have immediately called police and pressed charges had the chants have been. "Gas the illegals" "Gas the trannys" "Gas the blacks" "Gas the left-wing democrats" etc.....etc.....etc.......etc............

From the VERY TOP of education, right down to kindergarten, the left has turned our secular government schools into indoctrination camps.

Intelligent people such as yourself, who think otherwise, display "cognitive dissonance"

ppanther wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:59 pm

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:18 pm Brava. Excellent use of IKYABWAI.

Oh no. Please tell me I didn't break one of your precious message board rules. I don't think I'll recover from this comeback, which -- I mean, wow. You're a true master of the game, Mikey.

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:18 pm The title of the thread is the title of the article that I linked and quoted in the first post. An article which, apparently, you didn't bother to read. I had no idea at the time that it would turn into a shouting match with a MAGA soccer mom whose greatest fear, apparently, is that one of her kids might turn out to be gay, and she'd be blamed for it by her MAGA soccer mom friends.

I don't agree with your Brainwashed Liberal ideas, therefore I am MAGA. Check!
I have kids. I like my kids. They play a sport. Therefore, I am a (MAGA) Soccer Mom. Check!
Why do you feel the need to attack, Mikey? Just wondering. This must be smack! Excellent work! I'm sure you're very proud, insulting people who don't agree with you.

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:18 pm Maybe not, but you did state that the "woke" ideology is the same thing as a religion which, by definition, it is not.

...

No, but the Protestant ideology (yes, religion and ideology are related, but not the same thing) pushes the fear that disobeying them will lead to that result.

Okay, Mikey.

I really love how you tried to cover up the fact that you forgot Jewish people also have 10 commandments.
I'm sure Muslims also have their own version, though I'm assuming it may be slightly different. I haven't studied the Koran, and unlike some most excellent message board smack types, I don't want to pretend I know more than I do.

To answer your question: I don't actually care what is displayed in classrooms except in the abstract, since my kids are not in them.
This thread features a lot of people losing their minds over Christianity being taught, displayed in classrooms, etc. My point, upon entering the discussion, was that I find it interesting that YOU (and others) are so upset over Christianity, yet you have NO ISSUE with other *ideologies* (ahem, pseudo-religions) being forced on children. Ideologies which, by the way, are causing some serious damage.

Why can't you see it? Is it your own pride? You can't speak out against any MSNBC golden calves?
Kids are anxious, depressed, addicted to devices, confused about who they are, can't debate, can't think, can't tolerate opinions other than their own (which were largely fed to them by educators)... and you think that's a good thing?
Christianity is obviously the problem.

Mikey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:18 pm But while you're taking your victory lap, be careful not to trip and land on your face.

Whoah. Good one!

His "cognitive dissonance" is stunning.

The country watched in stunned disbelief as left-wing democrat racist sociopaths yelled. "Gas the jews" "kill the jews" as they took college buildings by violent force. The very definition of insurrections.

The presidents of these universities from coast to coast, cited. "Free speech"
YET anyone with an ounce of intelligence, understands that had the chants been, Gas the blacks" "Gas the tranny LGBTQ", "Gas the left-wing democrats" etc......etc..........
These VERY SAME presidents would've had police in riot gear immediately arrest every last one!!!

Cognitive dissonance allows Mikey and other "left-wing" types to conveniently ignore or even justify the unjustifiable.

Education from the very top, down to kindergarten, has become a tool used by the left, to indoctrinate the future generations.