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General Peters wrote:Well, America, we had a nice fukken run. :(


-GAP, PRAYING for my fallen nation.

C'mon GP, don't be that way.
Sing this today my brother.


Well the eagle's been flying slow and the flag's been flying low
And a lot of people are saying that America's fixing to fall
But speaking just for me and some people from Tennessee
We got a thing or two to tell you all
This lady may have stumbled but she ain't never fell
And if the Russians don't believe that they can all go straight to hell
We're gonna put her feet back on the path of righteousness
And then God bless America again

And you never did think that it ever would happen again
In America, did you?
You never did think that we'd ever get together again
Well we damn sure fooled you
We're walking real proud and we're talking real loud again in America
You never did think that it ever would happen again

From the sound up in Long Island out to San Francisco Bay
And ev'ry thing that's in between them is our home
And we may have done a little bit of fighting amongst ourselves
But you outside people best leave us alone
Cause we'll all stick together and you can take that to the bank
That's the cowboys and the hippies and the rebels and the yanks
You just go and lay your head on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan
And I think you're gonna finally understand

And you never did think that it ever would happen again
In America, did you?
You never did think that we'd ever get together again
Well we damn sure fooled you
We're walking real proud and we're talking real loud again in America
You never did think that it ever would happen again

JayDuck wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Tell me, Jay, how is that any different than the response and attitude of the leftists, liberals, and slightly more left than moderate Democrats over the past 8 years ?

One could argue that its different because for the past 8 years the right has claimed they wouldn't act like such liberal pussy faggots if things were reversed...

Dude. Number one, I am not. Number two. Obama hasn't done anything yet. He hasn't faced crisis yet, he hasn't taken any decisions yet. The crying that has occurred, the divisiveness, the political gamesmaneship, outright blatant lying and equivocation on critical issues .....

I hope I don't see it from the right. Today's disappointment is perfectly natural for people who do not agree with the path - it is assumed - Pelosi and Obama will lead us down.

So. You're wrong. Again.

Tom In VA wrote:Tell me, Jay, how is that any different than the response and attitude of the leftists, liberals, and slightly more left than moderate Democrats over the past 8 years ?

It's not.

The difference is that for the last 8 years the democRats really were

They also moved, as a party, to the hard left, purged their moderate heretics, and rewarded their true believers

The GOP, however, will likely purge their true believers and reward their heretics as they've always done.

I don't like the democRats positions on issues, but I do have to admire their ability to maintain party discipline & unity. If Mark Foley or LArry Craig had been democRats, you'd have seen the democRat party defend them tooth & nail.

No doubt. They're very efficient when it comes to purges, propaganda, and organization. Their "bottom up" approach of mass appeal combined with the assistance of predominantly liberal entertainers and media outlets is hard to beat.

I don't think it can be beat. Fiscal conservatives are going to need to purge themselves of the religious right. Politically it is dead weight, and the Repubican Party is going to have to divorce themselves from people who maintain principles and views that abortion, homosexuality, and such are immoral.

Human arrogance on both sides of those issues make it difficult to compromise. Republicans need to return to the Constitution. As Dinsdale points out.

Either that or just admit, we're about ONE party rule. I think more and more, it's becoming a farce and a facade that we even have two parties.

mvscal wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Fiscal conservatives are going to need to purge themselves of the religious right. Politically it is dead weight,

Yep. It is a perfect time for a resurgence of Goldwater style conservativism.

I'll drink to that.

Tom In VA wrote:Tell me, Jay, how is that any different than the response and attitude of the leftists, liberals, and slightly more left than moderate Democrats over the past 8 years ?

It's not.

There are reasons to be optimistic, indeed. There are also reasons to be disappointed and concerned about what will transpire now. Mostly because it is unknown. Obama does have a trend of exploiting people to get to where he wants to get. He's done that now and last night's display of magnamous statesmanship needs to be followed by action.

I heard words that asuaged some concern over a sharp turn to the hard left. But what actually happens remains to be seen.

By the way, your "baby crying" picture is appropriate on many different levels.

Tom, it's just a joke. One brought on by a about a thousand different racist blasts, but still, just a joke.

The bitterness of cuda and company warrant a little bit sniff'n their tears.

Smack board 'n stuff.

Jay in Phoenix wrote:[The bitterness of cuda and company

i'm not bitter. i doubt mvscal is bitter

there's so little difference between Onogga and McDole that there's no reason to be anything other than indifferent

Cuda wrote:i'm not bitter. i doubt mvscal is bitter

there's so little difference between Onogga and McDole that there's no reason to be anything other than indifferent

Okay Cuda, if you say so.

Left my humor in the car along with my lunch. Getting it in a minute.


As for Obama and McBush, there it is. Obama, potentially, will carry Bush's work the next logical steps. Further erosion of civil liberty, more government spending, and he will do all in the name of security.

Whether the incident will be a result of a foreign or domestic "crisis" - read "attack" - remains to be seen. But I do believe, as Biden suggested, it will be seen.

looks like the stock market is reacting

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081105/wall_street.html

... by going into the shitter

Cuda wrote:looks like the stock market is reacting

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081105/wall_street.html

... by going into the shitter

You're a fucking idiot.

Well, no, he posted a link to news.

Is it related to Obama's victory ? I don't know. But stocks are tumbling.

Some people reacting to Obama's victory - to protect their money - IS HAPPENING ...

Major League Baseball for instance ...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081105/D948HR689.html

Looking ahead to the possibility of an Obama administration, some baseball agents already are thinking about trying to beat a possible tax increase for their well-paid clients.

Traffic on the way to work this morning was heavier than usualm.

I wonder if this is a reaction to Obama's victory.

People trying to use as much gas as possible before the prices go back to $4.65 by the end of the week and stuff.

Tom In VA wrote:
Is it related to Obama's victory ?

No. The election wasn't even very close. Obama's been expected to win for a long time. Everyone knew it was coming yesterday and the stock market shot up. The dow going down today is a reaction to the big day yesterday. Its pretty common for the unstable market we've been having that people are looking to sell high whenever the market goes up.

11/4 +302
11/3 -6
10/31 +140
10/30 +180
10/29 -70
10/28 +170
10/27 -200
10/24 -310
10/23 +180
10/22 -500
10/21 -130


10/20

Mikey wrote:Traffic on the way to work this morning was heavier than usualm.

I wonder if this is a reaction to Obama's victory.

People trying to use as much gas as possible before the prices go back to $4.65 by the end of the week and stuff.

Funny. But expect this kind of shit to be watched closely. I posted a link about a factual reaction to Obama's win. I believe there will be to follow. Market's DO react to political decisions and variables. Or are you saying they don't ?

Dinsdale wrote:... "interstate commerce"...

Your thoughts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

General Peters wrote:Well, America, we had a nice fukken run. :(


-GAP, PRAYING for my fallen nation.

Bwaaa! It ended with the transformation of our capitalist system into a socialist system at the hands of a cross-eyed inbred halfwit who inherited the POTUS job from his daddy. That's some run there, moron.

PSUFAN wrote: Bwaaa! It ended with the transformation of our capitalist system into a socialist system at the hands of a cross-eyed inbred halfwit who inherited the POTUS job from his daddy. That's some run there, moron.

Tom In VA wrote:

Mikey wrote:Traffic on the way to work this morning was heavier than usualm.

I wonder if this is a reaction to Obama's victory.

People trying to use as much gas as possible before the prices go back to $4.65 by the end of the week and stuff.

Funny. But expect this kind of shit to be watched closely. I posted a link about a factual reaction to Obama's win. I believe there will be to follow. Market's DO react to political decisions and variables. Or are you saying they don't ?

I would refer you to JayDuck's cogent post immediately to the north of yours.

Mikey wrote:
I would refer you to JayDuck's cogent post immediately to the north of yours.

No argument that today's activity is in all probability the result of the roller coaster we've been on for quite some time. That doesn't mean summarily disregarding the effect political landscape change has on the stock market and the economy in general.

My opinion is that it is way too early to associate any activity - other than the one I cited - to the outcome of the election.

But it's coming Mikey, expect it, it's reality. It might be good, it might be bad.

i just wonder how long the dems are going to blame bush for everything.. i got reals tired of listening to all the repub's telling me it was all clinton's fault..

liars all of them.. 4 years of obama couldnt possibly be as bad as 8 years of the chimp.. right? .. right?

we are all fucked anyways who is in the white house has very little to do with this

peter dragon wrote:i just wonder how long the dems are going to blame bush for everything.

Never. They impugn the Bush family all the way back to Prescott Bush.

Cuda wrote:

Jay in Phoenix wrote:[The bitterness of cuda and company

i'm not bitter. i doubt mvscal is bitter

there's so little difference between Onogga and McDole that there's no reason to be anything other than indifferent

Wait a minute..you ARE "mscval" , and while you are certainly irrelevant, your supposed indifference is as fake as your three-name self-propping efforts.

Tom, what the fuck do you presume to know about the life and career of Prescott Bush? Because if you did know anything about him, you'd properly place him at the top of several lists enumerating the great criminals of American history. As for his son and grandsons, they're all being loaded as we speak onto the great garbage dump of history. Their stench will offend our nostrils for a few years but this too will pass.

Tom In VA wrote:

peter dragon wrote:i just wonder how long the dems are going to blame bush for everything.

Never. They impugn the Bush family all the way back to Prescott Bush.

Actually I think we can just go back to blaming Clinton. After all most of W's problems resulted from Bubba's fuck-ups.

Unfortunately, Tom, as much as you'd like to you really can't start blaming Obama for much before he actually takes office.

Mikey wrote:Unfortunately, Tom, as much as you'd like to you really can't start blaming Obama for much before he actually takes office.

I doubt I'll blame him for much then. He's just going to do whatever Reid and Pelosi tell him to anyway. And I don't blame him for ACORN and Fannie/Freddie creating this economic mess or for buying the election with dirty money. Appearantly corruption works. And the electorate is either cool with it or clueless or both.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Mikey wrote: After all most of W's problems resulted from Bubba's fuck-ups.

there was really only one Clinton fuck up that turned into a problem for Chimpy: Osama Bin Laden.

all the rest of Chimpy's problems were his own fuck ups

Mikey wrote: Unfortunately, Tom, as much as you'd like to you really can't start blaming Obama for much before he actually takes office.

Jesus dude. What the fuck is wrong with you ? Nobody blamed Obama for anything. I didn't. The major league baseball players and agents are concerned about his proposed tax increases.

Tom In VA wrote:

Mikey wrote: Unfortunately, Tom, as much as you'd like to you really can't start blaming Obama for much before he actually takes office.

Jesus dude. What the fuck is wrong with you ? Nobody blamed Obama for anything. I didn't. The major league baseball players and agents are concerned about his proposed tax increases.

MLB players and their agents should be exhibit A in the argument for taxing the rich at a higher marginal rate. Cry me a fucking river Scott Boras.

To be fair and balanced - as it were -

Along BSmack's lines. There's at least ONE pro basketball player who agrees with this and doesn't mind paying a little bit more. I forgot his name, I'd have to look it up.

I'd also like to be the one who does his taxes to make sure he isn't full of shit. :D

Mikey wrote:Unfortunately, Tom, as much as you'd like to you really can't start blaming Obama for much before he actually takes office.

Of course, back in '92 that little fact didn't stop Rush Limbaugh from labeling Bill Clinton a "failed President" before he even took office. I doubt that he or his followers will let it stand in the way of their attacks on Obama this time, either.

mvscal wrote:

BSmack wrote:Do you prefer to call it a Tsunami instead?

If you happened to be sitting in a bathtub maybe. Less than ten points in the popular vote and far less than 400 electoral votes is hardly a landslide.

Weren't you the one who was characterizing Smirky's win in '04 as a landslide? Spin it any way you want, but Obama's win this year was far more lopsided than Smirky's win was four years ago.

Tom In VA wrote:

Mikey wrote: Unfortunately, Tom, as much as you'd like to you really can't start blaming Obama for much before he actually takes office.

Jesus dude. What the fuck is wrong with you ? Nobody blamed Obama for anything. I didn't. The major league baseball players and agents are concerned about his proposed tax increases.

I didn't say you had. I just said that you'd like to.

Tom In VA wrote:To be fair and balanced - as it were -

Along BSmack's lines. There's at least ONE pro basketball player who agrees with this and doesn't mind paying a little bit more. I forgot his name, I'd have to look it up.

I'd also like to be the one who does his taxes to make sure he isn't full of shit. :D

They're all free to pursue opportunities in other countries. In the meantime, I'll hardly shed a tear if MLB players have to make do with a 52 inch widescreen instead of a 60 incher.

BSmack wrote: I'll hardly shed a tear if MLB players have to make do with a 52 inch widescreen instead of a 60 incher.

What. In their bathroom? My mother in law has a 60 inch on a retiree's wage.

JayDuck wrote:

BSmack wrote: I'll hardly shed a tear if MLB players have to make do with a 52 inch widescreen instead of a 60 incher.

What. In their bathroom? My mother in law has a 60 inch on a retiree's wage.

A 60 inch LCD?

During the interminable run-up to this election, I wanted nothing more than for it to just be over, regardless of the outcome. Now that it is, I must confess to having a certain sense of melancholy, as if something's now missing. Weird, huh?

Sure, I'll get the fuck over it pretty damn quick and get back to important stuff, like CFB and JFFL, but in the meantime....

Rack the spirited debates here and congrats to the Obama supporters who were so confident that he'd win. You were right.

88 made mention of this and I think it bears repeating. Racks abound for the oldest democracy in the world that allows for a peaceful transfer of power. Rack the checks and balances the founders placed in this representative form of government.

There'll be plenty of time for recriminations and idealogical finger pointing down the road, but lastly...

Rack President elect Obama for running a clean, highly competent campaign. If he does half as good a job as POTUS as he did getting elected, he should be fairly successful.

Mikey wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

Mikey wrote: Unfortunately, Tom, as much as you'd like to you really can't start blaming Obama for much before he actually takes office.

Jesus dude. What the fuck is wrong with you ? Nobody blamed Obama for anything. I didn't. The major league baseball players and agents are concerned about his proposed tax increases.

I didn't say you had. I just said that you'd like to.

No I wouldn't like to. That's the problem. I hope he doesn't do anything that makes me compelled to do so. Unfortunately, based upon his pick for Chief of Staff, unity, "coalition" building and all that bullshit just might have gone out the fucking window. So chances are I will disagree with a vast majority of his economic and domestic policy if in my opinion it's bad for the country. Then, like I said, I will show him all the support a citizen can, I will write my congressman and politely suggest he not pass legislation Obama might want that I believe is misguided. When it's something I agree with, I'll say so.

Tom In VA wrote:Unfortunately, based upon his pick for Chief of Staff, unity, "coalition" building and all that bullshit just might have gone out the fucking window.

The Chief of Staff's one and only job requirement is to play bad guy to the President's good guy. And that holds true no matter who the President is. Tell me you knew.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Unfortunately, based upon his pick for Chief of Staff, unity, "coalition" building and all that bullshit just might have gone out the fucking window.

The Chief of Staff's one and only job requirement is to play bad guy to the President's good guy. And that holds true no matter who the President is. Tell me you knew.

My my my, why aren't you "celebrating" or is being condescending the way you "celebrate" and "unite" ?

Let's wait and see.

Congratulations to president elect Obama. He ran a brilliant campaign and I think he will do a fine job as president for all Americans. It is a historic event. Just relax republicans. You have had eight years and now a wind of change has blown in.

I have a miserable life and wish I were dead!