T1B

Screw_Michigan wrote:I thought it was usually Feeldix.

Boy, you really fell for that one.

mvscal wrote: Look how (FILL IN THE BLANK) attempted to neatly sidestep the fact that he failed both basic math and basic critical reasoning in one of the most savagely furious self-asskickings this board has ever seen.

He probably doesn't even know what I'm talking about. Every failure goes straight down the memory hole.

Once again the Limpdick robot makes his spitting claims. And...as usual he's in a Rovian spin of complete inversion. In fact Mall Cop was easily curb stomped on the cost of the Permanent War, and he ran like a bunny. Just gave up. And this is standard. As for actually offering a real suggestion, or defending a real principle, or displaying even a hint of responsible adult bearing, you might as well expect the same from Husker or Pikkkle. The fact that Felix has horsewhipped him relentlessly on this fake thread is no more surprising than his rote denial and continued gibberish. The only question which has emerged after the countless hisses in rote support of everything corporate, AIPAC, and military over the years...is why? I mean no one can honestly be that robotic, childish and creepy so relentlessly..can they?

Derron wrote:
The numbers I got are directly from the school administration, so maybe they could have lied to me or maybe now ?

If they quoted you $300,000 for arrays, that means the school cost 200,000,000 to build, according to Oregon law.....I can find no record of any school in oregon that cost 200 million to build, so they're feeding you a bunch of horseshit.....scanning the net, I can find nothing that indicates Oregon spent anything close to that for a single school.....say the school had a population of 10,000 (which is huge), that would be a total cost of $20,000 per student...wtf, are the toilets gold plated

how about the county you live in? that might help....I'd love to provide you some ammo so you can tell the school administrators that they're full of shit

and if your worried about somebody knowing where you reside, I'll tell you that I live in Boise Idaho.....

Felix wrote:
how about the county you live in? that might help....I'd love to provide you some ammo so you can tell the school administrators that they're full of shit

and if your worried about somebody knowing where you reside, I'll tell you that I live in Boise Idaho.....

Not worried at all..here you go see what you come up with..if I am full of shit based on what they told me I will own it...

Forest Grove School District - Joseph Gale School
Washington County, OR

Anybody who spent $300K on a PV system that only pays back $250 a month got seriously ripped off. Or somebody's numbers are seriously skewed. $30K would be believable.

Mikey wrote:Anybody who spent $300K on a PV system that only pays back $250 a month got seriously ripped off. Or somebody's numbers are seriously skewed. $30K would be believable.

We are talking about a government agency and mandate here. Why does that surprise you that it does not pencil out ?

Roach wrote:And the same tired bullshit from LTS tard. Dont you ever get tired of reciting the reactionary drivel over and over? We get tired of hearing it.

First, you seem a bit lost on the basic meaning of "reactionary," but it's really yours that's the rote tedious response. I'm just doing some janitorial duty around here, calling bullshit on the deluded babblers and racist punks. Which one are you again?

I was not going to vote for OB, but after reading this thread I'm seriously thinking of changing my mind and giving the POTUS my vote in November.

Mikey wrote:Anybody who spent $300K on a PV system that only pays back $250 a month got seriously ripped off. Or somebody's numbers are seriously skewed. $30K would be believable.

dude, they spent 21 million building a school containing 7,200 sf and last year housed 264 students.....
that's $2,916 sf, or $79,545/student!!!!! keyrist, for $79 grand, you could get a 4 year degree at a quality univeristy...

and 1.5% of $21,000,000 is $315,000, so derron is right....I'm not sure they're only going to get back $250/mo. but who the fuck knows.....

the troubling thing is why haven't the idiots (voters) who approved the bond for this palace gathered their pitch forks and torches and stormed the castle

Moving Sale wrote:I was not going to vote for OB, but after reading this thread I'm seriously thinking of changing my mind and giving the POTUS my vote in November.

Why wouldn't you, fucking assface?

Felix wrote:

Mikey wrote:Anybody who spent $300K on a PV system that only pays back $250 a month got seriously ripped off. Or somebody's numbers are seriously skewed. $30K would be believable.

dude, they spent 21 million building a school containing 7,200 sf and last year housed 264 students.....
that's $2,916 sf, or $79,545/student!!!!! keyrist, for $79 grand, you could get a 4 year degree at a quality univeristy...

and 1.5% of $21,000,000 is $315,000, so derron is right....I'm not sure they're only going to get back $250/mo. but who the fuck knows.....

the troubling thing is why haven't the idiots (voters) who approved the bond for this palace gathered their pitch forks and torches and stormed the castle

Seems like a lot to be sure, but I'm pretty sure they expect the building to last a lot more than four years.

As for the PV system, I think I read in one of the articles I googled that it's a 39 kW system, which works out to about $8100/kW. It's in the right order of magnitude but definitely higher than you would expect a commercial sized system to cost. The one that I just put in was similar in $/kW, but a little over 1/10 the size and included a patio cover that prolly would have set me back $10K if built separately.

If they're saving only $250/month in electric costs, either their electric rate is really low or the system is seriously underperforming. I'm saving close to that much right now. I'm sure that my rates are higher and my output is better considering my location, but that number is hard to fathom from a system of that size.

PSUFAN wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:I was not going to vote for OB, but after reading this thread I'm seriously thinking of changing my mind and giving the POTUS my vote in November.

Why wouldn't you, fucking assface?

Other than being a categorical failure who is bankrupting the nation?

Mikey wrote: Seems like a lot to be sure, but I'm pretty sure they expect the building to last a lot more than four years.

jeezus Mike, you know real estate...what fucking building do you know of that costs twenty nine hundred a square foot to construct? Even hospitals only cost about a $1,000/sf.....I'm fully aware there are more things that go into it, but I did an appraisal on a high school that was built here some time back and as I remember, the cost was about $225/sf. The athletic fields added an additional $35 /sf, so $260 per square foot.

If they're saving only $250/month in electric costs, either their electric rate is really low or the system is seriously underperforming. I'm saving close to that much right now. I'm sure that my rates are higher and my output is better considering my location, but that number is hard to fathom from a system of that size.

electric rates in the northwest are extremely low comparatively speaking, because almost all of it is generated via hydro....still, it's hard to fathom a system like that only saving $250/mo.....at that rate, it will pay for itself in 1,200 years.....I think that when the numbers show up, they'll find the savings will be substantially more than that

LTS TRN 2 wrote:

Roach wrote:And the same tired bullshit from LTS tard.

it's really yours that's the rote tedious response.

When did you move to KC?

Felix wrote: The athletic fields added an additional $35 /sf, so $260 per square foot.

Complete screw job. I spent the last 14 years of my career building sports fields both natural turf and synthetic. I could build a state of the art natural turf field for about $ 320,000 and a synthetic field for around 750-800 K. Unless the capital cost of the land is included in that figure and it still seems high then based upon the price of commercial / institutional properties. Used to get about 1M to build a synthetic field before that market crashed in 08.

If they're saving only $250/month in electric costs, either their electric rate is really low or the system is seriously underperforming. I'm saving close to that much right now. I'm sure that my rates are higher and my output is better considering my location, but that number is hard to fathom from a system of that size.

Very low electric rates. Public owned utility. Our rates are 1/2 what the private companies charge in the same area.

electric rates in the northwest are extremely low comparatively speaking, because almost all of it is generated via hydro....still, it's hard to fathom a system like that only saving $250/mo.....at that rate, it will pay for itself in 1,200 years.....I think that when the numbers show up, they'll find the savings will be substantially more than that

It may have been more than that on the payback per month. But I am 100% sure it was right at 100 to 102 years. Well beyond the life of the building, since school districts here don' maintain their properties, they just let them go until shit starts falling apart and then bury the lack of maintenance in the next bond measure if they can pass it.

mvscal wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:I was not going to vote for OB, but after reading this thread I'm seriously thinking of changing my mind and giving the POTUS my vote in November.

Why wouldn't you, fucking assface?

Other than being a categorical failure who is bankrupting the nation?

Hey, Sean Hannity just repeats that exact same simplistic mantra again and again like you do. What a coincidence! Of course he's a paid shill who gets his talking points delivered daily. And of course like you he's fiercely anti-intellectual--which means he can't actually deal with complicated facts such as the systemic nature of the current economic meltdown (international, not just here) and how the exact same economic advisers and present cabinet members of Barry' were right there in the previous GOP administration, etc. And of course like Hannity and (Limpdick--is he still alive?) you won't dare actually examine the character, career, and plans of the robot from Kolob. And of course you can't actually offer any sensible plans yourself--or even take a clear stand on any specific issue--because you're a little robot too. What the fuck, Mall Cop, are you really even alive?

gotta' admit, the "Mall Cop" routine is funny.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Hey, Sean Hannity just repeats that exact same simplistic mantra again and again like you do.

Evidently he can read the numbers on the debt we have accrued during Ofailure's pathetically fucked administration, too.

What's your problem? Are you attempting to suggest that Obuttfuck hasn't added more debt in three and half years than Chimpy did in eight...or what?

Every single economic indicator is worse now than it was when he was selected by a confederacy of fuckups and morons.

mvscal wrote:Ofailure

do you think pople will be able to understand your talking points if they are busy laughing uncontrollably?

Derron wrote: I could build a state of the art natural turf field for about $ 320,000 and a synthetic field for around 750-800 K.

we're talking about a grade school here, not the Texas High School football champions.....

It may have been more than that on the payback per month. But I am 100% sure it was right at 100 to 102 years. Well beyond the life of the building, since school districts here don' maintain their properties, they just let them go until shit starts falling apart and then bury the lack of maintenance in the next bond measure if they can pass it.

seriously, did anybody look at the budgeting for these schools when the bond election was being discussed? fuck me running, what do they have Lenovo ThinkPads, with Dell 5130cdn laser printers built into the desks? do they have an electron microscope in the "lab" area? a bank of small Hadron Colliders? a particle accelerator? is there any danger of radiation leaks?

you people got fucked big time..... but not to worry, that's not even close insofar as overspending.....they built a high school in LA that cost 540 million, or $140,000/student

Obluegums just sent a dozen or so Predator drones and Tomahawk cruise missiles into an empty Afghan hillside.

Hooray for freedom.

Some more brown people died?

Oh.

Hey, what time's the game start?


- The American

Yep.

poptart wrote:Some more brown people died?

Oh.

Hey, what time's the game start?


- The American

what? they honored the troops and had a flyover. what more can we do?

Bizzarofelice wrote:

poptart wrote:Some more brown people died?

Oh.

Hey, what time's the game start?


- The American

what? they honored the troops and had a flyover. what more can we do?

Works fine unless your one of the hundreds of thousands of families who have been touched by these wars.

Derron wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote: what? they honored the troops and had a flyover. what more can we do?

Works fine unless your one of the hundreds of thousands of families who have been touched by these wars.

We've all been touched by these wars, Dohron.

Goober McTuber wrote:

Derron wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote: what? they honored the troops and had a flyover. what more can we do?

Works fine unless your one of the hundreds of thousands of families who have been touched by these wars.

We've all been touched by these wars, Dohron.

Yeah sure..I am sure that the monetary comparison to those who have lost family and friends, and seen the damage done to the ones who come back...is really a great comparison and makes it all good...great analogy there Gobbles McCock.

PSUFAN wrote: Why wouldn't you, fucking assface?

Because I don't like many of his policies you pindicked moron.

Moving Sale wrote:

PSUFAN wrote: Why wouldn't you, fucking assface?

Because I don't like many of his policies you pindicked moron.

So...whatever happened to your bodycount threads? Don't give a fuck anymore now that a turd colored Dem is in office?

mvscal wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Hey, Sean Hannity just repeats that exact same simplistic mantra again and again like you do.

Evidently he can read the numbers on the debt we have accrued during Ofailure's pathetically fucked administration, too.

What's your problem? Are you attempting to suggest that Obuttfuck hasn't added more debt in three and half years than Chimpy did in eight...or what?

Every single economic indicator is worse now than it was when he was selected by a confederacy of fuckups and morons.

Okay..you dutifully recite the Hannity mantra. And just like that hack you simplistically ignore the fact of Barry's policies and actions being the exact same as the previous GOP gang--as well as what would have been the actions of a (nightmare) McCain administration. That is, can you actually specify a particular bailout or military spending hike that Barry made that McCain wouldn't have? Or that Romney won't? The acknowledgement of capitalism being a worldwide massive Ponzi scheme (a couple centuries) is surely Hannity's most severely denied reality. Yours too.

Of course Barry's a disappointment, but only for betraying the progressive agenda upon which he was duly elected. Your childish smears are apparently based only on racist crap. In terms of policies, he's your boy. Or what?

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Barry's policies and actions being the exact same as the previous GOP gang--as well as what would have been the actions of a (nightmare) McCain administration. That is, can you actually specify a particular bailout or military spending hike that Barry made that McCain wouldn't have? Or that Romney won't?

I really don't see Chimpy, McLoon or Romney taking ghoulish delight in hanging a festering albatross carcass around the necks of our future (and diminishing) taxbase reckless, big government spendthifts though they might be. Barry's orgy of spending has been Neronian in scale and, more importantly, has produced nothing in the way of results.

You also need to refocus on your "gangs." The gang that has been openly pillaging this country since 1990 isn't the GOP or the Democrats. It's the Ivy League. They're just different turds dropping from the same asshole.

Now we get to choose between two more Ivy League shitstains. Hooray for us! Change you can believe in!!

Derron wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote:

poptart wrote:Some more brown people died?

Oh.

Hey, what time's the game start?


- The American

what? they honored the troops and had a flyover. what more can we do?

Works fine unless your one of the hundreds of thousands of families who have been touched by these wars.

these people knew what they were getting into. did they think they would spend their days in the military marching up and down the square? they held up a gun and said "America, tell me who to shoot." And we did. And now they're complaining?

Moving Sale wrote:

PSUFAN wrote: Why wouldn't you, fucking assface?

Because I don't like many of his policies you pindicked moron.

So you like Romney's policies better, pigshit guzzler?

mvscal wrote: I really don't see Chimpy, McLoon or Romney taking ghoulish delight in hanging a festering albatross carcass around the necks of our future (and diminishing) taxbase reckless

so tell me exactly what Obama has done to hang an albatross. be specific. and try not to devolve into a hissy fit. as usualm.

Jizzarofellatio wrote:
these people knew what they were getting into. did they think they would spend their days in the military marching up and down the square? they held up a gun and said "America, tell me who to shoot." And we did. And now they're complaining?

So that it makes it worse than conscripting the hundreds of thousands for say Vietnam ? The draft for Vietnam was way worse than our volunteer service...Every damn one of them knew and did it willingly..But it is you you pacifist cocksuckers who need somebody else to take care of the light work. It was a job and they did it, and paid the price in many different ways. Your proper response should be " Thank you for your service, how can we help you in the future? "

Bizzarofelice wrote:

mvscal wrote: I really don't see Chimpy, McLoon or Romney taking ghoulish delight in hanging a festering albatross carcass around the necks of our future (and diminishing) taxbase reckless

so tell me exactly what Obama has done to hang an albatross. be specific.

Obamacare is a financial albatross that will bankrupt this nation. We can't afford to pay out all the entitlements that are already on the books and now we're going to have to pay for the largest expansion of federal government since the New Deal.

If you think soaking the rich for a few billion is going to do the trick, you are lost in some kind of fantasy world.

Perhaps we can contract The Crew to thin the herd during a new Tour for America. Worth a shot.

88 wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:betraying the progressive agenda upon which he was duly elected

What is the progressive agenda, exactly?

And do you really think McCain (who would also have been an unmitigated disaster as President, in my opinion) would have pushed Congress to enact anything that resembles the abomination now known as The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?

That which would pass for the Progressive agenda these days would include an effective reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, much tougher environmental regulation and enforcement, rolling back the military machine and pumping all that money into the nation's public schools and government funded research and Medicaire and Social Security, VA hospitals and a hundred other areas of the nation's desperate need, rolling way back the fake War on drugs as well as the privatization of prisons, and supporting unions. That sort of thing. And while no one would expect completion of any of these noble goals, Barry of course has moved in the opposite direction on every one. He's a GOP dream come true because the usual check and balance of opposition by the other party has been removed. That is, there's no opposition when he does an about face and loosens regulations. He's the worst environmental president ever for just this reason. As for the healthcare plan, it seems big and complicated but really the (tremendously expensive and organized) opposition to it has come from the (Koch funded) Tea Bagger lunatics who want to spend even much bigger amounts on the Permanent War. Condi, for example. These folks are utterly insane and callous as the crises and horrors they've rendered bear witness. And like a cancer or virus they want more.

mvscal wrote:If you think soaking the rich for a few billion is going to do the trick, you are lost in some kind of fantasy world.

It's been obvious for a very long time that Spacefelice floats around in some sort of fantasy realm.

He's seldom able to articulate any rational to back up the childish political doctrines he has bought into, and when challenged on the absurdities he champions, he typically curls up into to passive-aggressive bimbo m0de.

Serves well as a kickball and not much else.

mvscal wrote:
Obamacare is a financial albatross that will bankrupt this nation.

this is complete horseshit...where have you been getting your numbers from?

We can't afford to pay out all the entitlements that are already on the books and now we're going to have to pay for the largest expansion of federal government since the New Deal.

right, we need a complete overhaul of our welfare system....lets start with the doctors that bilk the insurance companies out of billions of dollars every year and work backwards from there....