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Moving Sale wrote:They are not doing anything illegal as it relates to their immigration status.

They have no immigration status, dumbfuck. Their presence in this country is in violation of our immigration law hence illegal alien. They are not authorized by law to live here and they are not authorized by law to work here.

Which "action" do you suppose has been "deferred" under the blatantly unconstitutional DACA executive order?

So non citizens with no legal status to be in this country are not illegal, but US citizens are because of traffic laws in the midget's warped view.

mvscal wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:They are, at most, removable under civil codes.

So what's the hold up?

You are too big of a pussy to work to do anything about it is a good place to start.

Left Seater wrote:So non citizens with no legal status to be in this country are not illegal, but US citizens are because of traffic laws in the midget's warped view.

Nice fake news snowflake.

There is one really good reason that all illegal aliens should be deported. It removes the incentive for tomorrow's illegals. DACA basically tells would be fence jumpers, just get here.....WITH your kids, because those fukking kids are the anchor that will keep them and almost certainly, you here.

The other reason is it is a thumb in the eye to the suckers out there that wait their turn. And if you wanna go on about "undocumented" success stories, I bet you would find that on average, the documented immigrants are far better contributors to society.

One more thing, I keep hearing all sorts of noise about "dreamers" that are vets. What I have not seen is actual evidence of this group.

Uncle Sam these days is pretty good about collecting verifiable documentation prior to enlistment. Hell, I enlisted back in the dark ages ('84) and they were pretty damn thorough then. If they did enlist, it was obviously done with fraudulent documentation (another violation). I could be 18 years into a spotless career and if I was found to be submitting any sort of fraudulent documentation, what do you think they'd do at my court martial? Do you think my JAG attorney would stand up in front of the court and say "you can't punish my client! he served in the military!!!!".

smackaholic wrote:There is one really good reason that all illegal aliens should be deported. It removes the incentive for tomorrow's illegals. DACA basically tells would be fence jumpers, just get here.....WITH your kids, because those fukking kids are the anchor that will keep them and almost certainly, you here.

I agree. It's about drawing the line and setting an example.

Great idea. It works so well for drugs!

Illegal use of drugs and illegal immigration are two completely different topics.

So you don't want to draw a line and make an example with drugs. Gotcha.

I know this is going to go over your head (and what doesn't?), but the drug problem in this country is very complicated. Sending Juan and Carlos back to Tijuana on a bus is not. If you don't want to be deported, don't come into or stay in our country without authorization. It's that simple. The rule should apply to children as well as adults. Get in line and become legal citizens like the million immigrants who follow the rules and do it every year.

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote:So non citizens with no legal status to be in this country are not illegal, but US citizens are because of traffic laws in the midget's warped view.

Nice fake news snowflake.

That is basically your takes so it fits that it would be fake news. Just strange you would actually label your own crap as fake.

ML@Coyote wrote:

1. I doubt you consider any of them to actually be your "friend," and vice versa.

It isn't too smart to make this kind of an assumption. Your opening salvo has missed by a mile.

Was I wrong? Exactly how many dreamer "friends" to you have?

ML@Coyote wrote:

2. They are not "south of the border." Most of them probably have not been south of the border since the day the arrived in the US, and many of them have never been "south of the border." But, of course, to you and your ilk it's all about Mexicans.

By definition they're immigrants. Are you saying they're from Canada?

Check your reading comprehension. If they're immigrants they're not "south of the border." They're here.
:doh:

And no, I'm not saying they're from Canada, though some might be. But thanks for proving my point. Like I said, to you it's all about Mexicans. You seem to be forgetting about the ones from China, South Korea, India, etc., etc.

They also come from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Peru, Brazil...
I guess that's "south of the border"...technically... but to you I'm sure they all look like Mexicans.

ML@Coyote wrote:

3. You say they have proven that they have no respect for the laws of our country.

They are in this country illegally. You make it sound like they're all innocent little children.

I didn't say that. Though most were "innocent little children" when they were brought here.

ML@Coyote wrote: I have some sympathy for the younger ones, but not for the others who had plenty of time to become citizens legally.

I'm pretty sure a minor child can't just "become a citizen legally."

ML@Coyote wrote:

In fact, most of them probably are more law abiding than a large percentage of actual American citizens. They crossed the border through no choice of their own, and have had to be careful all of their lives not to break any laws.

That's like saying a bank robber is law abiding because he drives away from the scene very carefully to avoid getting pulled over.

No, it's not. None of them robbed a bank. None of them committed a felony to get here and none of them are committing a felony by being here. By repeating this false equivalency you continually prove the extreme the level of your dumbassery.

Let me pose a question. Have you never broken any law? Where's your respect for the laws of our country? If you live in SoCal, or anywhere in California, for that matter, I'm pretty sure you've driven over 80 mph on the freeway on at least one occasion. Ever rolled through a stop sign, or ran through a red because you didn't want to stop? Speeding and reckless driving cause thousands of deaths on the road every year and, IMO, people who have no respect for our speed limits should be in jail. When are you going to turn yourself the fuck in you flaming hypocrite?

ML@Coyote wrote:The fact that they're here is a violation of the law. Why is it that people like you think everyone needs to bend over backwards to help these people rather than encouraging them to help themselves. I think it's because you actually think so little of these people that you believe they need your help in order to handle their affairs. By giving them special treatment, you are saying they're weak and incapable, which they aren't. Our country allows one million immigrants to become citizens each year. Despite what many would have you believe, becoming a legal citizen is not an impossible task.

You asked me to tell you what you were missing. I told you. Don't change the subject.

Left Seater wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote:So non citizens with no legal status to be in this country are not illegal, but US citizens are because of traffic laws in the midget's warped view.

Nice fake news snowflake.

That is basically your takes so it fits that it would be fake news. Just strange you would actually label your own crap as fake.

You said I think americans are illegal and undocumented aliens are not. That is a fucking lie. You know what a lie is. It's that thing that orange pedo you voted for does multiple times a day.

ML-"immigration is simple drugs are complex"
You really are a fucking idiot.

Nice white flag.

A nice white flag is when someone does not address the point of the other person's post and instead only makes some snide comment or personal attack.
I addressed your point. Your point was to lie. My point was that undocumented aliens shouldn't be called illegal aliens anymore than you should be called an illegal American.
Try again dumbass.

Mikey,

Wow, it took you some time to respond! You seem to have been struggling with my post, so I'll help you out step by step. See if you can ignore the liberal rhetoric you hold so dear, and follow along:

1. Your the one who started up this bullshit about who my friends were. It was a rookie mistake on your part, and you ought to admit it and move on. This being a message board, I can tell you anything I want, and you have no way of verifying whether it's true or not. And odds are that you'll call me a liar no matter what I say. You fucked up here, so move on and stop pretending you've made some kind of point.

2. You claim they're not from south of the border because they're here. This is one of the more stupid statements I've read on this subject. I can't even believe you wrote it. What the fuck are you talking about? I'd say not only are they from south of the border, but they're here illegally.

3. You say a minor child can't become a citizen legally? Then what the fuck is the child doing here? Who put them in the position their in? US citizens? Hardly. If you want to complain to someone and assign blame for the situation, look to the child's parents. You seem to keep forgetting who began and prolonged this difficult situation in the first place.

4. I gave you an analogy. Rather than try to comprehend the purpose of the analogy, you picked it apart. You and Moving Sale ought to start up a legal practice together. The point of the analogy was that obeying laws just because your afraid to be found out for already breaking them does not make you law abiding. It just makes you sneaky.

5. Yes I've broken traffic laws, and when I've been caught, I've paid the price for them. So what? Are you really comparing a speeding ticket now and then with living illegally in someone else's country? LOL! What planet do you live on? The law in question isn't whether or not you're driving 80 on the freeway...it's whether you're authorized to be in a country. I get caught speeding, and I pay a fine and/or go to traffic school. Break the immigration laws, and you get deported. It isn't rocket science.

6. My comments about the likelihood that you don't think much of immigrants and their own capabilities is not changing the subject at all. If fact it's the crux of your problem. You think less of them, and believe they need you to pander to them, rather than tell them to get off their asses and become legal citizens like a million others seem to be able to do every year without all your bleeding heart babying. It is you who thinks less of these people.

Mikey,

Wow, it took you some time to respond!



You really are a cunt.

Moving Sale wrote:ML-"immigration is simple drugs are complex"
You really are a fucking idiot.

I should have said immigration is simple, but there are lots of dumbshits who want to make it complicated.

The drug problem in this country actually is complicated.

The only thing that makes immigration easier is that a gram of coke is easier to hind. The forces that influence immigration and illegal drugs are both quite complicated. Tell me you knew.

The force that influences immigration is the desire for a better life. The forces that influence drug use in America are multi-faceted and have little to do with immigration.

ML@Coyote wrote: Mikey,

Wow, it took you some time to respond! You seem to have been struggling with my post, so I'll help you out step by step. See if you can ignore the liberal rhetoric you hold so dear, and follow along:

Not struggling with your post at all. Let me clue you in...I often have a lot better things to do on my weekends than sit down and respond to your consistently verbose crap. You seem to sit constantly in front of your computer breathlessly waiting for another chance at intellectual self-confirmation or...something.

I do this mostly as an occasional break at my desk.
You've got to be the most tedious last word whore since Goobs. At least he does it with a sense of humor.

ML@Coyote wrote:1. Your the one who started up this bullshit about who my friends were. It was a rookie mistake on your part, and you ought to admit it and move on. This being a message board, I can tell you anything I want, and you have no way of verifying whether it's true or not. And odds are that you'll call me a liar no matter what I say. You fucked up here, so move on and stop pretending you've made some kind of point.

1a. Nice job italicizing you're own syntax error, dumbass.
1b. Check again. Your the one who wrote:

I'm all for our friends south of the border becoming legal citizens

and then challenged me to point out what you were missing, exactly.

Exactly, I don't believe that you actually have any dreamer friends, either south or north of the border. You can confirm or deny it all you want. Tell me you have some dreamer friends and I'll admit I was wrong, assuming your not lying out your ass.

ML@Coyote wrote: 2. You claim they're not from south of the border because they're here. This is one of the more stupid statements I've read on this subject. I can't even believe you wrote it. What the fuck are you talking about? I'd say not only are they from south of the border, but they're here illegally.

2a. I did not claim that they're not from south of the border. Let me quote you one more time:

I'm all for our friends south of the border becoming legal citizens

What you're missing, exactly, is the word "from." Believe it or not, that changes the meaning of your sentence.
2b. They are not all from south of the border. Many are, some are not. Again, I was pointing out EXACTLY what you were missing.

ML@Coyote wrote: 3. You say a minor child can't become a citizen legally? Then what the fuck is the child doing here? Who put them in the position their in? US citizens? Hardly. If you want to complain to someone and assign blame for the situation, look to the child's parents. You seem to keep forgetting who began and prolonged this difficult situation in the first place.

They cannot become a citizen legally on their own. You say that I should blame the parents, and yet your entire point in this thread is that the child should be held responsible and pay the price. You seem to be a bit confused.

ML@Coyote wrote:4. I gave you an analogy. Rather than try to comprehend the purpose of the analogy, you picked it apart.

Because your analogy was bullshit, and I already explained why. EOS.

ML@Coyote wrote:5. Yes I've broken traffic laws, and when I've been caught, I've paid the price for them.

So, you only pay when you get caught. Where's your respect for our laws?

By the standard you're setting for others, you either should not break the law or you should turn yourself in whenever you do.

Mikey wrote:I often have a lot better things to do on my weekends than sit down and respond to your overly verbose crap. You seem to sit constantly in front of your computer breathlessly waiting for another chance at intellectual self-confirmation or...something.

So says the guy with over 21,000 posts

I do this mostly as an occasional break at my desk.
You've got to be the most tedious last word whore since Goobs. At least he does it with a sense of humor.

Since you seem to be wanting the last word yourself, I'll let you have it. I won't post anything in response to your reply. After all, that's the fun of a message board...not arguing.

Nice job italicizing you're own syntax error, dumbass.

And good job addressing my point.

Exactly, I don't believe that you actually have any dreamer friends, either south or north of the border. You can confirm or deny it all you want. Tell me you have some dreamer friends and I'll admit I was wrong, assuming your not lying out your ass.

Pointless argument on a message board.

I did not claim that they're not from south of the border. They are not all from south of the border. Many are, some are not. Again, I was pointing out EXACTLY what you were missing.

Still a little confused, but I'll take your word for it.

They cannot become a citizen legally on their own. You say that I should blame the parents, and yet your entire point in this thread is that the child should be held responsible and pay the price. You seem to be a bit confused.

It's not a matter of paying a price. It's a matter of drawing a line. I could be being a little harsh on this. But I think if a line isn't drawn, we're only asking for more of the same.

Your analogy was bullshit, and I already explained why. EOS.

But you didn't address my point. No surprise.

So, you only pay when you get caught. Where's your respect for our laws? By the standard you're setting for others, you either should not break the law or you should turn yourself in whenever you do.

The next time I get a speeding ticket I'll tell the judge there are immigrants living in our country illegally. Surely he'll agree with your logic and drop the case.

ML@Coyote wrote:The force that influences immigration is the desire for a better life. The forces that influence drug use in America are multi-faceted and have little to do with immigration.

They are both complicated. To deny that reality is retarded. Just like you.

You should probably just drive down to one of those bars and fight them.

Moving Sale wrote:

ML@Coyote wrote:The force that influences immigration is the desire for a better life. The forces that influence drug use in America are multi-faceted and have little to do with immigration.

They are both complicated. To deny that reality is retarded. Just like you.

What complicated forces motivate immigrants to move into America other than the desire for a better life?

ML@Coyote wrote:Pointless argument on a message board.

I thought that was the point of this message board?

ML@Coyote wrote:
What complicated forces motivate immigrants to move into America other than the desire for a better life?

What complicated forces motivate dealers to move drugs into America other than the desire for money?

Moving Sale wrote:

ML@Coyote wrote:
What complicated forces motivate immigrants to move into America other than the desire for a better life?

What complicated forces motivate dealers to move drugs into America other than the desire for money?

Answer my question, and then I'll answer yours.

Moving Sale wrote: What complicated forces motivate dealers to move drugs into America other than the desire for money?

Supplying arms to groups otherwise prohibited under the Boland Amendment.

It was a rhetorical question dumbass.

Moving Sale wrote:A nice white flag is when someone does not address the point of the other person's post and instead only makes some snide comment or personal attack.

This is hilarious. As you would expect the King of White Flag throwing has a definition of what he does down pretty well. If someone wanted to count the number of posts where you did exactly that thing, ie telling some one to suck a black cock, or you are a liar, you are a cunt, blah blah blah, you would win that title hands down.

Example:

Mikey,

Wow, it took you some time to respond!



You really are a cunt.

Post one.

Moving Sale wrote:A nice white flag is when someone does not address the point of the other person's post and instead only makes some snide comment or personal attack.
I addressed your point. Your point was to lie. My point was that undocumented aliens shouldn't be called illegal aliens anymore than you should be called an illegal American.
Try again dumbass.

And you would be wrong again. You claim it is impossible to drive legally in this country. Or in otherwords illegal driving. So all of us drivers are lawbreakers. Yet people with no legal status to be here are not law breakers. Your words.

So we American drivers are illegal (drivers) and undocumented aliens are not illegal.

Moving Sale wrote:It was a rhetorical question dumbass.

Answering your rhetorical question in a broader context. Lighten up.

Left Seater wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:A nice white flag is when someone does not address the point of the other person's post and instead only makes some snide comment or personal attack.
I addressed your point. Your point was to lie. My point was that undocumented aliens shouldn't be called illegal aliens anymore than you should be called an illegal American.
Try again dumbass.

And you would be wrong again. You claim it is impossible to drive legally in this country. Or in otherwords illegal driving. So all of us drivers are lawbreakers. Yet people with no legal status to be here are not law breakers. Your words.

So we American drivers are illegal (drivers) and undocumented aliens are not illegal.

Dreamers are not breaking the law by just being here. Try and follow along. It's only the same thing I have been saying for 7 pages.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:It was a rhetorical question dumbass.

Answering your rhetorical question in a broader context. Lighten up.

Go fuck a moose you stupid boring fuck.

Just because you have been saying it for 7 pages doesn't make it any closer to being truth.

U.S. immigration law includes provisions intended to help authorities keep track of foreign nationals in the United States. By law, all non-U.S. citizens aged 18 or older are required to carry at all times, a “certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card” (e.g., I-94 for nonimmigrants or the I-551 card for permanent residents). Foreign nationals are also obligated to notify the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) of any change of their home address.

Section 264(e) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) requires every alien over the age of 18 to “carry with him and have in his personal possession” the “certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card.” In practice, this would be the I-94 card for most nonimmigrants in the U.S., or, in the case of lawful permanent residents, the I-551 card (i.e. the “green card”). If the nonimmigrant’s latest I-94 was issued electronically (i.e., ‘paperless’ I-94 issued at a port of entry), a printout of the online form should be on one’s possession at all times.

Most foreign nationals, including green card holders, are also required to notify the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) of a change of address within ten days of relocating. The process is simple, free, and can even be done online by filing form AR-11.

It has been relatively rare for foreign nationals to be prosecuted under these legal provisions. But, since these laws are still on the books, and immigration officials conceivably could start enforcing these requirements at any given time. Hence, it is safest to follow the law. Fortunately, complying with these requirements should be relatively simple for those who have the status and have the required paperwork.

So any alien that didn't enter the US legally is breaking a law the minute they turn 18. So what were you saying about them not being law breakers? Those 18 and over anyway.

264(e) only applies to people required to register under 264(a) and those are only the people appling for a visa under 261.
Go back and read Kennedy's opinion in Arizona.
Or you can squirm and lie for 7 more pages.