I can't wait until

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:47 pm

Moving Sale wrote:Post one.

Moving Sale » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:29 pm

Go fuck a moose you stupid boring fuck.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:08 am

Marty doesn't count. He never has a point so there is never any thing to respond to.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:13 am

Moving Sale wrote:264(e) only applies to people required to register under 264(a) and those are only the people appling for a visa under 261.
Go back and read Kennedy's opinion in Arizona.
Or you can squirm and lie for 7 more pages.

Immigration attorneys are the ones you are calling a liar. Here is another passage from an attorney web page.

Entering the United States without approval is illegal. So is staying in the U.S. without permission after your visa or other authorized stay has expired. Even violating the terms of a legal entry can make your stay illegal.
The U.S. immigration law offers very few options to go from being illegal or undocumented immigrant to a U.S. permanent resident (with a green card). We briefly describe the most likely possibilities below, but you should see an attorney for further help.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:17 am

Moving Sale wrote:Marty doesn't count. He never has a point so there is never any thing to respond to.

But you did respond to him anyway. Nice white flag.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:31 am

If you would like to decipher what he said I would be happy to respond to it.

LS,
You quoted a website, I quoted a USSC case. Which one do YOU think is more accurate?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:39 am

Moving Sale wrote:Marty doesn't count. He never has a point so there is never any thing to respond to.

Your dome...

...so roomy...so relaxing. I particularly enjoy the continental breakfasts.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:53 am

MS wrote:Dreamers are not breaking the law by just being here.

Yeah, as long as they just sit under a tree and breathe.

:wink:

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:56 am

MS,

I quoted sections of our laws.

If your position is actually correct that being in the United States as an undocumented alien isn't illegal, why do we have any immigration laws or border patrol? Why did I need to go thru an immigration check today when I returned to the US?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:00 am

Because entering the country with out papers is illegal, which I said on page 1.
And what you quoted did not apply to most dreamers.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:05 am

Nice white flag.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:14 am

Moving Sale wrote:Because entering the country with out papers is illegal

This is how dreamers got here, full stop. They didn't enter with papers. You just said this is illegal. Yet somehow dreamers haven't broken any laws.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:27 am

Good grief. Kids can form the intent to break the law until a certain age. Again, this is all page 1 stuff.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:49 pm

So why have border checks for kids? According to you they can't break the law so why even check them?

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:59 pm

"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally."

File under: give 'em an inch

MsCJ · Post by **MsCJ** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:06 pm

Wow, y'all are tedious fuckers.

MsCJ · Post by **MsCJ** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:15 pm

A subject I'm sure more than one of them can get behind.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:20 pm

MsCJ wrote:A subject I'm sure more than one of them can get behind.

Some of them will choose to get in front.

MsCJ · Post by **MsCJ** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:17 pm

Low hanging fruit old man.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:38 pm

MsCJ wrote:Wow, y'all are tedious fuckers.

And yet ^^that^^ was the shitiest post of an 8 page thread.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:39 pm

Left Seater wrote:So why have border checks for kids? According to you they can't break the law so why even check them?

Ask them.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:53 am

Moving Sale wrote:
MsCJ wrote:Wow, y'all are tedious fuckers.
And yet ^^that^^ was the shitiest post of an 8 page thread.

No, your go fuck a moose post was much worse.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:09 pm

MsCJ wrote:Low hanging fruit old man.

Are you checking out my banana?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:16 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
Moving Sale wrote: What complicated forces motivate dealers to move drugs into America other than the desire for money?

Supplying arms to groups otherwise prohibited under the Boland Amendment.

There ain't no Boland Amendment no more, son.

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:35 pm

And no, this is not a picture of me and Moving Sale.

Some of you will be delighted to hear this. This is my last post. Promise. Maybe if the board is still around, I'll revisit in a few years. I have some projects I need to get back to, and they will require all my time. Sad to say, I'm not very good at multi-tasking. Before I go I wanted to clear something up with Mikey that was brought up in this thread. I called immigrants from south of the border "friends," and Mikey challenged me on this given my stance on illegal immigration. I refused to answer the challenge, because I felt if I told the truth I would just be called a liar...and I'd have no way to prove otherwise, this being a message board.

Well, here you go Mikey. I'll explain why I call these people my friends. Since 1981 I have run my own construction company. I have built millions of dollars worth of projects all over Southern California. In the process I have directly and indirectly employed hundreds of illegal immigrants. There are a number of reasons for this. The least of which is getting cheap labor. In fact, most of these immigrants make pay comparable to their legal counterparts. The fact is that they've simply taken over the industry. For the most part they are honest, friendly, and hardworking, and I respect them for this.

As time has gone on, I have become friends with many of them. One of them told me I was like a father to him. I loaned a couple others money so they could buy cars. I've sent them to ballgames with their families. I've had dinner at their homes. More recently I vouched for one who had a green card but who had been rounded up by ICE and put in a detention center because he had a DUI. (Hell, not proud of it, but I've had three of them). I was able to convince the immigration court that my friend should be allowed to stay in the country with his wife and children. He is a good, responsible, and honest man. He deserved to be in this country.

I have a lot of experience with illegal and legal immigrants from south of our border. In all the years I've employed them and become friends with them, I can recall very few bad experiences. White guys, on the other hand...I can tell you all sorts of crazy stories about them. So, why am I so against illegal immigration? I simply think our borders should be maintained and regulated per the laws we have on the books. It is possible to become a citizen legally. Millions of immigrants do it. Am I a hypocrite for having employed so man illegal immigrants, while at the same time wanting immigration to be legal and orderly?

I'll answer the hypocrisy question this way: I have been in a business that is hugely dependent on illegals whether I like it or not. I didn't make the rules. I simply have had a business to run. I don't like killing animals, and have never been a hunter. But put me deep in the woods with nothing to eat, and hand me a rifle and point to a deer, I'm going to take aim and shoot that fucking deer for dinner. I'll do what I have to do to survive. Sometimes the choices we are offered are not the ones we would like to have.

So there you have it. Yes, I think illegals should be deported and told to gain entry legally, just like all the others who follow the laws and do so. Do I think we should just round them all up at once and ship them off? No, of course not. It would be mayhem. And I don't know about other states, but California would be in huge trouble if so much of its workforce was suddenly given the boot. The effort to clean things up needs to be gradual and humane. But somehow it needs to be done. Otherwise the problem will go on and on, and no example will be set for future immigrants, no lessons will be learned, and our immigration laws will mean nothing.

This was probably more than you wanted to read, and no doubt you still disagree with me. But I did owe you an explanation.

And with that...I am out!

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:17 am

Dammit ML, you can't leave. This place needs voices of reason like yours.

BTW, that was one damn good explanation that anyone would have trouble arguing with.

It is a shame that the entire construction bidness in socal....and nocal....and pretty damn near everywhere has been undermined by people willing to work for low wages which has forced decent talent to either move elsewhere or go into a different line of work.

Anyhoo, I hope you are full of shit and pop back in here a time or two a week.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:32 am

ML wrote:I'll answer the hypocrisy question this way: I have been in a business that is hugely dependent on illegals whether I like it or not. I didn't make the rules. I simply have had a business to run.

You had no choice, right?

WRONG!

Buh bye...

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:40 am

Softball Bat wrote:
ML wrote:I'll answer the hypocrisy question this way: I have been in a business that is hugely dependent on illegals whether I like it or not. I didn't make the rules. I simply have had a business to run.

You had no choice, right?

WRONG!

Buh bye...

His choices were use them and be able to bid competitively or move to another part of the country and make a go of it there. And that ain't exactly easy to do in that business.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:07 am

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:39 am

Fuck off

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:50 pm

ML@Coyote wrote:Am I a hypocrite for having employed so man illegal immigrants, while at the same time wanting immigration to be legal and orderly?

Yes.

I have also worked in construction services on the business admin side. We had a fair number of contracts with railroads, gov't agencies etc. They all require background checks and everify so it was done with every new hire. We had a UP bridge job and their background check found "discrepancies" with one of our foreman's SSN. He ghosted when confronted. Dude was a great guy and a reliable hand with an American wife. No reason he couldn't or shouldn't have legalized his status. He didn't. Fuck him.

Good worker? Who gives a shit? Great father? Fuck you. Go play with your kids wherever the fuck you come from.

You are either legally authorized to be in this country or you are not. If you are not authorized to be in this country, you need to leave or be removed. Period. Full stop.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:17 pm

mvscal wrote:We had a UP bridge job and their background check found "discrepancies" with one of our foreman's SSN. He ghosted when confronted. Dude was a great guy and a reliable hand with an American wife. No reason he couldn't or shouldn't have legalized his status. He didn't. Fuck him.

This is what I don't get.

There have been a few wetbacks in Ct that ICE has decided to deport. The press is making a big deal about them because they have been here for years, have families and have stayed out of trouble. And their wives are citizens, which as everyone should know, is a go to the head of the line pass. Yet, they don't. I guess they figured lax enforcement was going to be the rule forever.

I have no sympathy for them. If you stayed here illegally when you had the means to become legal, it is just further evidence you don't give a fukk about our laws. Let them go home and wait....at the back of the line this time.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:16 am

smackaholic wrote:

His choices were use them and be able to bid competitively or move to another part of the country and make a go of it there. And that ain't exactly easy to do in that business.

Ahhhh..there is no place in the US that you could move to and make a go of it without the labor that he utilized. I did the same thing he did for years. I agree with ML's post 100%, and would hate to see him go away since his takes are actually readable and offset the shit slop coming from a lot of others.

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:30 pm

Left Seater wrote:...because a few did positive things after being here illegally doesn't mean we should wipe the slate clean for all and look the other way.

Bottom line.

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:34 pm

smackaholic wrote:Dammit ML, you can't leave. This place needs voices of reason like yours.

Pro-illegal is not VOR.

ML was here on downtime to visit the old neighborhood during a flyover, never permanently.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:42 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes. ... y,amp.html

Shocking to no one with functioning brain cells, a DACA poster child was arrested illegally entering the country.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:21 pm

Surprising to no one, you want to fuck with a kid who has been here since he was 9 and has had a traumatic brain injury. You would think brain dead fucks like you would stick together.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:35 am

Moving Sale wrote:Surprising to no one, you want to fuck with a kid who has been here since he was 9 and has had a traumatic brain injury. You would think brain dead fucks like you would stick together.

So he has been here illegally since he was 9. That means for more than half his life he has been breaking the law. Yeah perfect example of someone who we should embrace with open arms.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:48 am

How was he breaking the law before he got deported?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:41 pm

Duh, by being here without status.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:01 pm

Yeah the is no law against being in the US without papers.