UK Terror Plot

[BSmack]

Who said they used a missile? Can you read?

77 was a 757-200 not a 767 so if your eyewitnesses saw a 767 then they are wrong now aren't they?

The average person is not going to be able to tell a 757 from a 767 unless they fly on a frequent basis. But I'm damn sure the average person can tell the difference between a missle and a big fucking jumbo jet.

[Felix]

Who said that?

you did......

[Moving Sale]

The average person is not going to be able to tell a 757 from a 767 unless they fly on a frequent basis.

Not the point. The point is it shows how little Felix knows about something he has already made his mind up about.

But I'm damn sure the average person can tell the difference between a missle and a big fucking jumbo jet.

Who said anything about a missile? Jeez.

Felix,
Why don't you go ahead and quote where I said the 'government had this plan all laid out on the off chance terrorists would hijack some planes and fly them into buildings.' Again... CAN YOU READ!

[Felix]

Who said they used a missile? Can you read?

why yes, I can....

For all I know AQ slammed a missile into the pentagon and the Bushies are covering up that fact so as to not worry the American people further.

this is fun.....

you having fun yet.......

Not the point. The point is it shows how little Felix knows about something he has already made his mind up about.

you've presented nothing that would give me any inclination to change my mind.....

Felix,
Why don't you go ahead and quote where I said the 'government had this plan all laid out on the off chance terrorists would hijack some planes and fly them into buildings.' Again... CAN YOU READ!

you've alledged that Flight 77 did not slam into the Pentagon.....in order to pull that off, the government would have had to have been involved in a coverup....there is no way around it.....

how did they come up with this plan so quickly......

and how did they insure that all of the people that would have had to have been involved in it wouldn't talk......

remember, "fear of ridicule" is not an argument.....now quit dodging the question and lay it out for me.......

[BSmack]

Who said anything about a missile? Jeez.

Simple logical induction says that if the plane did not hit the building, then something else did. If you don't think it was a missle, then what was it? And how do you explain the missing passengers on 77? And how do you explain away the eywitness statements that all say it was a big fucking jumbo jet?

[Felix]

I want to hear the "counselors" explanation or theory of what exactly transpired.......

logic 101 dictates that in order to know something is "wrong", one must have an opinion (or theory) of what is "right".....

so, what happened........

and make it credible.......

[BSmack]

I want to hear the "counselors" explanation or theory of what exactly transpired.......

logic 101 dictates that in order to know something is "wrong", one must have an opinion (or theory) of what is "right".....

That is a logical fallacy. For example, I did not kill Nichole and Ron. But that does not mean that I know who did.

sin

[Felix]

That is a logical fallacy.

et tu B........

[BSmack]

That is a logical fallacy.

et tu B........

Don't get me wrong, MS is still full of shit. But if you post stuff like that it's just going to give him weasel room. And you know how lawyers love weasel room.

[Mister Bushice]

I want to hear the "counselors" explanation or theory of what exactly transpired.......

logic 101 dictates that in order to know something is "wrong", one must have an opinion (or theory) of what is "right".....

so, what happened........

and make it credible.......

I can help sum it up:

counselor bilbo: Something hit the pentagon, but it wasn't flight 77 for sure. It was something else for sure. maybe a missle, maybe something else I don't know what it was. I don't know what happened to flight 77 for sure, except that it didn't hit the pentagon. I don't know for sure where it is, but it is somewhere else for sure. I don't know for sure where the people are but they are somewhere else for sure. The hole the light poles the engine, I don't know shit about science or how metal would react under an unprecedented high speed impact into a reinforced steel and concrete buildng followed by an explosion with intense heat and flames, except that for sure flight 77 would have left more evidence than whatever it was that hit the pentagon. Can't you read? Everything else is a fallacy.

[titlover]

I want to hear the "counselors" explanation or theory of what exactly transpired.......

logic 101 dictates that in order to know something is "wrong", one must have an opinion (or theory) of what is "right".....

so, what happened........

and make it credible.......

I can help sum it up:

counselor bilbo: Something hit the pentagon, but it wasn't flight 77 for sure. It was something else for sure. maybe a missle, maybe something else I don't know what it was. I don't know what happened to flight 77 for sure, except that it didn't hit the pentagon. I don't know for sure where it is, but it is somewhere else for sure. I don't know for sure where the people are but they are somewhere else for sure. The hole the light poles the engine, I don't know shit about science or how metal would react under an unprecedented high speed impact into a reinforced steel and concrete buildng followed by an explosion with intense heat and flames, except that for sure flight 77 would have left more evidence than whatever it was that hit the pentagon. Can't you read? Everything else is a fallacy.

spot on

[Moving Sale]

you having fun yet.......

I wouldn't be here if I wasn't.
I never said a missile hit the building I said for all I know...
I said it in response to your accusation that I think Bush 'did it.'

you've presented nothing that would give me any inclination to change my mind.....

Not the point. The point is that you made up your mind before you knew the facts. I shouldn't have to make you change your mind because your mind should not be made up until you have some clue as to what the 'facts' are.

how did they come up with this plan so quickly......

Who knows?

and how did they insure that all of the people that would have had to have been involved in it wouldn't talk......

How does any good conspiracy, like 'the mob', work?

...lay it out for me.......

Dude we have to get to the point where you admit that the PE shows that the party line is incorrect. If the PE points to the party line being correct that point is moot.*


* actually it is 'not ripe' but that is just semantics.

[Moving Sale]

That is a logical fallacy. For example, I did not kill Nichole and Ron. But that does not mean that I know who did.

sin
OJ

Now we are getting somewhere.

[Moving Sale]

I don't know shit about science...

And YOU do? Ha!

an unprecedented high speed impact

It was the 3rd time that DAY that it had happened.

[Mister Bushice]

I don't know shit about science...

And YOU do? Ha!

I'm not the one claiming it isn't possible for the 77 to have caused that damage, you are, despite your lack of scientific knowledge to back that claim up. I'm saying that it has to be counted within the realm of possibilities because there isn't any proof otherwise.

an unprecedented high speed impact

It was the 3rd time that DAY that it had happened.

Wrong. Completely different types of building classes. However it still sucks for your point that the planes that hit the WTC also left little recognizable wreckage behind.

[Felix]

Dude we have to get to the point where you admit that the PE shows that the party line is incorrect. If the PE points to the party line being correct that point is moot.

I don't have to admit to anything for you to present a credible argument as to what happened....

you've got to have a plausible explanation of what transpired in order to argue what didn't happen......it's that simple......

just lay out your theory......

don't be afraid of being ridiculed.....

[Mister Bushice]

^
Yep. What Felix said.

Give us your theory of what happened, from both the physical and conceptual point of view, meaning if it wasn't the 77, it was someone else doing it intentionally. Who, and why?


Your less than brililant "I don't know" argument is thin and weak.

[Moving Sale]

you've got to have a plausible explanation of what transpired

77 didn't hit the pentagon.

MB,
"scientific knowledge to back that claim up"
A body in motion...

What force caused the wings to travel in a direction other than fwd., thus causing the impact hole to be smaller than the outline of the plane?

Lock up when you leave.

[Felix]

77 didn't hit the pentagon.

circular arguments are the funnay.......

[Mister Bushice]

77 didn't hit the pentagon.

circular arguments are the funnay.......

Yeha let me try it:

Give us your theory of what happened, from both the physical and conceptual point of view, meaning if it wasn't the 77, it was someone else doing it intentionally. Who, and why?

[Moving Sale]

So to recap... I asked for some PE to show how it is possible that 77 hit the pentagon or that WTC7 fell correctly given the circumstances and all I got was...'the 911 report says it did so it must have' and 'where is the plane then.' Good showing you fucking tards.

[Felix]

So to recap....

yes, you are an idiot.......

[Moving Sale]

You think 77 was a 767 and that "logic 101 dictates that in order to know something is "wrong", one must have an opinion (or theory) of what is 'right'"... *I'M* the idiot.

That is rich.

[Mister Bushice]

So to recap... I asked for some PE to show how it is possible that 77 hit the pentagon or that WTC7 fell correctly given the circumstances and all I got was...'the 911 report says it did so it must have' and 'where is the plane then.' Good showing you fucking tards.

Again, incorrect. Fester provided this link showing the cause of the collapse of WTC7. You just ignored it or missed it:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

And as for PE at the pentagon? Here are some pics:

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

And here are some other facts you ignored, or failed to mention:

many eyewitnesses saw a plane crash into the Pentagon
the passenger and crew remains from American Airlines flight 77 were recovered at the Pentagon crash site
passengers on American Airlines flight 77 made phone calls, reporting their aircraft had been hijacked

It all ties together, and puts your conspiracy theory out to pasture once and for all.

[Felix]

You think 77 was a 767 and that "logic 101 dictates that in order to know something is "wrong", one must have an opinion (or theory) of what is 'right'"... *I'M* the idiot.

That is rich.

christ dude, I said the wrong plane type and you spend inordinate amount of time beating that into the ground.......

get caught up in minutia much.....

[Moving Sale]

The WTC site did not even bring up the pancake theory so how could it have 'debunked' it?
As for the direction of fall, they did a pretty shitty job of explaining how the top 30+ stories fell straight down and instead stated that the s side fell before the n. I've seen the video and that is a flat out lie.
As for the 'pull' comment, that was about the only thing on that site that made any sense and it had nothing to do with PE. (To be fair I was the one that brought that comment up first in this thread and it has nothing to do with PE.)


many eyewitnesses saw a plane crash into the Pentagon
And it may have been *A* plane, but it was not 77.

the passenger and crew remains from American Airlines flight 77 were recovered at the Pentagon crash site
Says who?

passengers on American Airlines flight 77 made phone calls, reporting their aircraft had been hijacked
We went over one of those calls and it was not possible it happened how the party line says it happened. Care to point to one that does hold up to scrutiny?

Now back to the poles. How did a plane fly a few feet off the ground for thousands of yards from the site where the poles were hit to the building? How can your taxi driver hear after such a close encounter?

Your story is laughable. Query: How much did you know about the real facts in this case before you made up your mind as to what happened?

[Moving Sale]

You think 77 was a 767 and that "logic 101 dictates that in order to know something is "wrong", one must have an opinion (or theory) of what is 'right'"... *I'M* the idiot.

That is rich.

christ dude, I said the wrong plane type and you spend inordinate amount of time beating that into the ground.......

get caught up in minutia much.....

A) What about the second part of that sentence? Care to comment on your lack of actual knowledge of "logic 101" as evidenced by your repeated beating of the fallacy drum?

B) This whole case is about minutia you brain-dead fuck. The 'big story' makes sense. Hijackers hijack planes that is what they do. It's the little stuff that doesn't add up and if you don't know shit about what kind of plane it was how can you make any judgments as to what happened. What else did you not know before you made up your mind? What DID you know at that time? What would it take for you to change your mind? How many other people didn't know shit about the facts before they made up their minds?

10 to 1 you don't even ATTEMPT to answer 1/2 of those questions.

[Felix]

A) What about the second part of that sentence? Care to comment on your lack of actual knowledge of "logic 101" as evidenced by your repeated beating of the fallacy drum?

B) This whole case is about minutia you brain-dead fuck. The 'big story' makes sense. Hijackers hijack planes that is what they do. It's the little stuff that doesn't add up and if you don't know shit about what kind of plane it was how can you make any judgments as to what happened. What else did you not know before you made up your mind? What DID you know at that time? What would it take for you to change your mind? How many other people didn't know shit about the facts before they made up their minds?

10 to 1 you don't even ATTEMPT to answer 1/2 of those questions.

I'm not going to get caught up in your continually changing directions....it's a typical attorney ploy......

I know for you, its the little things that spell out conspiracy......

If you want to believe the government perpetuated a fraud on the citizens of this country, then that's what I think you should believe.........

if you don't believe that flight 77 slammed into the Pentagon, then that's what you should believe......

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911 ... dence.html

here's another website debunking the conspiracy theory...but go ahead and ignore that too......

let us know how the investigation goes........

[Mister Bushice]

The WTC site did not even bring up the pancake theory so how could it have 'debunked' it?
As for the direction of fall, they did a pretty shitty job of explaining how the top 30+ stories fell straight down and instead stated that the s side fell before the n. I've seen the video and that is a flat out lie.
As for the 'pull' comment, that was about the only thing on that site that made any sense and it had nothing to do with PE. (To be fair I was the one that brought that comment up first in this thread and it has nothing to do with PE.)

Oh yeah. I'm going to believe a lawyer with no engineering background basing his beliefs on a video he saw. :roll:

many eyewitnesses saw a plane crash into the Pentagon
And it may have been *A* plane, but it was not 77.

(here we go again with the circular ignored, unanswered questions)

You know that for sure exactly how?
if so, where did 77 end up?

the passenger and crew remains from American Airlines flight 77 were recovered at the Pentagon crash site
Says who?

rescue workers on the ground.

passengers on American Airlines flight 77 made phone calls, reporting their aircraft had been hijacked
We went over one of those calls and it was not possible it happened how the party line says it happened. Care to point to one that does hold up to scrutiny?

Flight attendant Renee May was reported to have called her mother. Debunk it yourself.

Now back to the poles. How did a plane fly a few feet off the ground for thousands of yards from the site where the poles were hit to the building?

at 400 miles an hour it was moving about 200 yards a second. Not out of the realm of possibility at all.

How can your taxi driver hear after such a close encounter?

They're called hands. Placed over the ears with fingers inserted works quite well.

Your story is laughable.

NO, YOUR story is laughable, mine is plausible. You have more holes in your tale than blackburn/lancashire.

Query: How much did you know about the real facts in this case before you made up your mind as to what happened?

The REAL facts? what REAL facts? The eye witnesses you ignore? The photos of plane wreckage I linked you to that you ignored, wreckage that matches plane parts from a 757?

Please. You have a scattered group of odd circumstances that do not link together to form a solid theory.

Here's some more grist for you to ignore. Quotes from eyewitnesses:

Fireman Alan Wallace is busy with a safety crew at the Pentagon’s heliport pad. As Wallace is walking in front of the Pentagon, he looks up and sees Flight 77 coming straight at him. It is about 25 feet off the ground, with no landing wheels visible, a few hundred yards away, and closing fast. He runs about 30 feet and dives under a nearby van. [Washington Post, 9/21/2001] The plane is traveling at about 460 mph, and flying so low that it clips the tops of streetlights. [CBS News, 9/21/2001] Using the radio in the van, he calls his fire chief at nearby Fort Myer and says, “We have had a commercial carrier crash into the west side of the Pentagon at the heliport, Washington Boulevard side. The crew is OK. The airplane was a 757 Boeing or a 320 Airbus.

pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Steve O’Brien describes his close encounter: “When air traffic control asked me if we had him [Flight 77] in sight, I told him that was an understatement—by then, he had pretty much filled our windscreen. Then he made a pretty aggressive turn so he was moving right in front of us, a mile and a half, two miles away. I said we had him in sight, then the controller asked me what kind of plane it was. That caught us up, because normally they have all that information. The controller didn’t seem to know anything.” O’Brien reports that the plane is either a 757 or 767 and its silver fuselage means it is probably an American Airlines plane. “They told us to turn and follow that aircraft—in 20 plus years of flying, I’ve never been asked to do something like that.” The 9/11 Commission Reports that it is a C-130H and the pilot specifically identifies the hijacked plane as a 757. Seconds after impact, he reports, “Looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir.”

[BSmack]

l to r

T1B, MS

[Moving Sale]

I'm not going to get caught up in your continually changing directions.

Asking where the plane is IS changing directions you stupid silly fuck.

MB,
"They're called hands. Placed over the ears with fingers inserted works quite well."
You're kidding right?

[Jimmy Medalions]

Nice job taking this asskicking to 16 pages dumbfuck. Maybe you'd be even one tenth the lawyer you wish you could be if you spent more time pursuing a case you had a snowball's chance in hell winning.

As it stands, you're taking it deep. Fucking tard.

[poptart]

Asking where the plane is is quite obviously a reasonble question to pose, tiny.

You have no answer.


You are a complete dumbfuck.

[Moving Sale]

Maybe you'd be even one tenth the lawyer you wish you could be if you spent more time pursuing a case you had a snowball's chance in hell winning.

Any idiot can win the easy cases you lazy spoiled fuck.

poptart,
It is a reasonable question if you like to argue in fallacies. Now go fuck yourself you stupid silly shitstain.

[Jimmy Medalions]

Maybe you'd be even one tenth the lawyer you wish you could be if you spent more time pursuing a case you had a snowball's chance in hell winning.

Any idiot can win the easy cases

Then I suggest you stick to the 'easy cases', dumbfuck. The fact of the matter is that you're getting pummeled from page to page in this thread, and there's no sign that this beatdown will break anytime soon.

Shut the fuck up already and quit trying to radiate with brilliance. You may seem convincing to the gutter skanks you pick up at the local watering hole, but in here you become a bigger laughingstock by the minute.

[Moving Sale]

J,
That was a pretty shitty piece. "The more you think about them, the more you realize how much they depend on circumstantial evidence, facts without analysis or documentation, quotes taken out of context and the scattered testimony of traumatized eyewitnesses."
What? That is your side.

The fact of the matter is that you're getting pummeled from page to page in this thread, and there's no sign that this beatdown will break anytime soon.

Because your side is full of fallacies and misinformation sprinkled with stupidity?

Go fuck yourself you stupid silly tard.

[Cuda]

fallacies .

There you go thinking about cocks again

[Jimmy Medalions]

The fact of the matter is that you're getting pummeled from page to page in this thread, and there's no sign that this beatdown will break anytime soon.

Because your side is full of fallacies and misinformation sprinkled with stupidity?

Go fuck yourself you stupid silly tard.

Props to JSC for shoving a white-hot, barbed wire plunger into the very place where TVPhonebook's takes are born.

If the word tard didn't exist, you'd lose 85% of your material. You are a misinformed dumbfuck who apparently enoys getting the shit beat out you. Good job 'taking it' like a bottom in a Guy_Fawkes movie rental.

Dumbfuck.

[Moving Sale]

Popular Mechanics

We've been thru this. PM doesn't even address the freefall of WTC7 into it's own footprint. At least not in any part I've ever seen. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Nor does it explain the phone calls or the lamp-posts or the spools or many of the other things I have mentioned. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[Moving Sale]

Props to JSC for shoving a white-hot, barbed wire plunger into the very place where TVPhonebook's takes are born.

Yelling BODE before the game is over again I see.

Get back to buttfucking your kids you sorry sack of shit.