interesting

DC Smackmaster · Post by **DC Smackmaster** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:15 pm

Thought the same thing Mikey.

Rack Chip!!

Somewhere at a Birther rally in the near future, poptart snaps...

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:18 pm

Nothing to see here.

Would it have been better and more correct to call it a nazi death camp?

Sure.

Barry says way dumber shit pretty near every day. This will blow over quickly.

As for the birthers etc....., I would say that the dems are spending more time pointing at the birthers, than the birthers are spending talking about it.

And why shouldn't they?

The dems strategy is not to point at the other side and say "look at the crazy birthers/transcripters/fill in the blank-ers".

But, it won't work. Romney, so far has one a pretty decent job using willy's old strategy of "it's the economy stupid". I suspect he will continue this.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed May 30, 2012 7:19 pm

Van wrote:Jsc, instead of mailed-in versions where a bored Stevie Wonder trots it out yet again...

Yeah, I like your generic, soulless, bar-rock version better.

I'm sure it's "25 cent Wing Nite" wherever your favourite "artists" are playing.

"You guys leaving so soon? The blue cheese dip is awesome...and he's almost about to hit his solo!"

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:36 am

Jsc wrote:He was born in Hawaii

You are incredibly foolish... or fascist.

FACT: Barry could not get a U.S. passport with what he has released.

Take a BC image with no seal on it and some photocopied newpaper clippings announcing a birth (with no name of the child) to get a passport and let us know how it works out for you, dumbfuck.

FACT: Hawaii did not verify that the image Barry passed out last April is a copy of what they have in their vault.

FACT: A Sheriff's investigation has found probable cause that what was passed out is a forgery.

FACT: The dept also found probable cause that Barry's selective service registration is a forgery.

FACT: When team Barry posted his COLB online in 2008, people broke it down quickly and knew it was fake. Seeking to quiet things down, Hawaii's C. Fukino made a statement saying she found the BC in question. She said it properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, signed by the delivering doctor, and located in the files.

FACT: The image Barry finally provided last April is not half typed and half handwritten.

FACT: NO BC's of that time in Hawaii are half typed and half handwritten - unless they are amended.

FACT: We have almost no significant record of this guy's past.

FACT: His own bio went out for 16 years stating that he was Kenyan born.

EDITORIAL COMMENT: You're out to lunch BIG TIME.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:07 am

I have zero interest in a bet regarding the matter.

It was evident 4 years ago that Barry was a huge fraud and it's been quite amazing to this observer that the charade has gone on so long.
So no, I can't be surprised if it lingers on longer.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:12 am

pop, now that Barry has already held the office for four years and is the lock-solid Democratic nominee for the upcoming election, why do you still care about his past? Even if everything you say is true and everything you suspect is true, so what? The horse is already out of the barn. Are you actually thinking there's some way now for his opponents to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube?

Seriously, what is your goal here, and that of any birther? Impeachment? It seems like all you're shooting for with this constant haranguing is the opportunity to stick out your tongue at the skeptics and say, "Nyah nyah nyah! I was right!"

Okay, great, so what if you are? What does it matter now?

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:29 am

Whether or not they're right simply doesn't matter anymore. Even if they have scoreboard, do they really? Dude is still in office and isn't going anywhere. If they were ever going to get anywhere with this business, it needed to happen in 2008.

It's a moot point now.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:32 am

Jsc wrote:At every instance, this birther bs has been shot down.

The FACTS which I posted have not been shot down - and that is why they are called FACTS.

If he's illegal, it's a moot point, Van?

Drugs runnin' thick tonight??

What, you're going to let him run again?

I think there are many ways it could play out, Van, so I really can't say what will happen in the coming weeks and months.

I've always maintained that Barry could have a Hawaiian BC, so he might be eligible to hold the office - providing he met the natural born citizen requirement, which is an issue that hasn't really been resolved yet, either. But anyway...

This is, however, and imo, a VERY huge case of deceit and/or fraud.

The so-called documents, the pictures, the narrative - all B.S., imo.

If it's conclusively determined that he has held the office illegally for almost 4 years, we have a MONUMENTAL national crisis.

Legally, everything that he has done for 4 years needs to be wiped off the books, yes?

Can you imagine?

The lawsuits and the HUGE turmoil would go on for a very long time.

But yeah, in that case, it needs to be wiped off the books.

Restore to a previous date.

And...

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:35 am

poptart wrote:I've always maintained that Barry could have a Hawaiian BC, so he might be eligible to hold the office - providing he met the natural born citizen requirement,

If he was born in Hawaii, he meets that requirement.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:38 am

Not sure why patah even cares.

He's got no skin in the game. Should be more worried about the price of dogmeat than Obama's place of birth.
He's said before somthing to the effect that he left the country because he can't stand it anymore.
Really, pops, what gives? Why do you even care? Have your renounced your citizenship yet? If not, why not?

Or, should I just say...

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:44 am

l to r: Mikey, pahtah

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:03 am

poptart wrote:If he's illegal, it's a moot point, Van?

Yes.

What, you're going to let him run again?

He's already running again, and none of this birther business is going to stop it. If it ever could have, that time is long past.

If it's conclusively determined that he has held the office illegally for almost 4 years, we have a MONUMENTAL national crisis.

No, we don't. It wouldn't be a national crisis at all, Chicken Little, much less a "MONUMENTAL" one. His eligibility to be president is now a nonfactor, not an ongoing crisis. His presidency occured. His second term will likely occur, as well. All that's at stake now vis a vis the eligibility issue is how history views him. It's merely an academic question.

Legally, everything that he has done for 4 years needs to be wiped off the books, yes?

Nope. Of course not. Can't undo what's already been done. All anyone could do is discredit everything he did, similar to the way many quarters attack Nixon's legacy.

Can you imagine?

Yeah, I can: much ado about nothing. All it would do is create a huge hue and cry of political cynicism, which is already at a near-hopeless nadir anyway.

The lawsuits and the HUGE turmoil would go on for a very long time.

Yep, and none of it would change a thing. It'd make for endless talkshow fodder, and lots of lawyers would be happy, but that'd be about it. The next president would have to deal with the fallout, but the events that took place cannot be undone.

It would be the quintessential example of it is what it is.

But yeah, in that case, it needs to be wiped off the books.

Can't. Things can be changed with the next presidency, but what could actually be wiped off the books? The corporate loans? The mini Depression? The wars? Gitmo? Osama's death? Our policies in the Middle East? The apologies? The photo-ops? The SCOTUS appointments?

What?

Restore to a previous date.

Nothing of import can be changed. These things already happened.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:03 am

Papa Willie wrote:
Are you 100% sure that he's okay? Where do you obtain this knowledge? Are you under that assumption that your precious government would never, EVER lie to you?

If you can't trust you Government...who CAN you trust?

Your mom?
Your wife?
Your mistress?
Your drinking buddies?
Your mechanic?
Your doctor?

I think I trust the checkout guy in line #3 at Costco as much as I trust anybody. Dude is always straight with me.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu May 31, 2012 4:18 am

That's one hell of a good point, Mikey. With very few exceptions, trust that goes rewarded in this world seems to be dependent on circumstance vs convenience.

It's a shitty point and a sobering one, but also irrefutable.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:54 am

Jsc810 wrote:I'm trying to figure out how to make this into a bet.

Will the Sheriff bring charges by a certain date? Something.

Come on pop, put your money where your paranoia is. Let's come up with a bet on this somehow.

Jsc, I'll take part of that action. Lets post a minnimum dollar amount. Say, 500? ALSO, how bout throw in some KISS/Motley Crue tickets?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu May 31, 2012 5:59 am

I have a few questions about WMR's birth certificate...

Why does it say "void"?
Why no seal?
Why is Mom's age wrong? Was he born to a different one of George Romney's wives?
Why isn't it blue?
Why is there no footprint?
Why is it dated 5 days late?
Why is it in a font not invented until the 1980's?
Why does it say "filed" and not "accepted" on the date line?
Why no Long form?
Why no hospital name?
Why is it dated in 2012?
Why hasn’t the state of Michigan vouched for its authenticity yet?
Why is it cropped?
If his Father is a Mexican ('sup mvskkkal?) then how is WMR not a Mexican?
Who was the Dr?
Is the image layered?

Once you answer those, give me a year or four and I will have some more.

bradhusker · Post by **bradhusker** » Thu May 31, 2012 6:01 am

Mikey wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:
Are you 100% sure that he's okay? Where do you obtain this knowledge? Are you under that assumption that your precious government would never, EVER lie to you?

If you can't trust you Government...who CAN you trust?

Your mom?
Your wife?
Your mistress?
Your drinking buddies?
Your mechanic?
Your doctor?

I think I trust the checkout guy in line #3 at Costco as much as I trust anybody. Dude is always straight with me.

If you cant trust the woman you are married to? Ur life aint worth a damn.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu May 31, 2012 8:02 am

poptart wrote:Legally, everything that he has done for 4 years needs to be wiped off the books, yes?

Van wrote:Nope. Of course not. Can't undo what's already been done.

lol

If it was illegal for him to hold presidential authority, but what authority were Sotomayor and Kagan nominated?

Take your time.

Yes, monumental national crisis - and lawsuits extending FAR into the future.

I'll hit this one more time.

- Arms don't bend like grandpap's
- Barry's wedding ring
- Grandfolks are considerably more grainy in appearance than Barry, who is noticeably sharper

Again, if you go into it realizing it is a wytch, it's quite easy to tell.

Same with the pic below.

Barry is noticeably sharper, he noticeably stands out, and it's well, just quite obviously a wytch job.

Actually brings a chuckle to look at it. :)

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu May 31, 2012 1:20 pm

bradhusker wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:
Are you 100% sure that he's okay? Where do you obtain this knowledge? Are you under that assumption that your precious government would never, EVER lie to you?

If you can't trust you Government...who CAN you trust?

Your mom?
Your wife?
Your mistress?
Your drinking buddies?
Your mechanic?
Your doctor?

I think I trust the checkout guy in line #3 at Costco as much as I trust anybody. Dude is always straight with me.
If you cant trust the woman you are married to? Ur life aint worth a damn.

Well, brad, do you trust the man you’re “married” to? If you let him jack-hammer your prostate without a condom, then I guess the answer is “yes”.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu May 31, 2012 9:39 pm

pop, the Senate voted on and confirmed Obama's choices for the SCOTUS. It's a done deal. Good luck trying to undo it.

Again...no national crisis. None.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:13 am

Van @T1B can be off the opinion that it's a done deal, but there would be many people with a much different opinion.
The opinion that actions taken were not acceptable, were illegal, and it's definitely not a done deal.

There is the rub.

Utter chaos, imo.

Chuck gets his wish.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:27 am

poptard wrote:The 25th Amendment is utter chaos.

Ok......

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:29 am

If you think Biden would become prez, you better think again.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:32 am

Try reading that Amendment & tell me how he would not be next in succession, slappy.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:35 am

If Barry is illegal, he had no legal authority to bring Biden onto the ticket.

Biden would also be illegal.

Boehner would take over as prez, as I see it.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:38 am

pop, I'm not interested in your opinion on the unknown. I want you to describe the legal mechanisms by which any of these Obama actions can be undone...

-the corporate bailouts
-the mini Depression
-the wars
-Gitmo
-Osama's death
-our policies in the Middle East, circa 2008 through the end of his presidency
-the worldwide Apology Tour
-the SCOTUS appointments

Go.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:01 am

Well first, what, are these the only actions this president has taken?

Events which have happened can not be made to unhappen.
You're surely right about that.

However, there are often losses and gains (both financial and personal) when events have taken place.
People gain and people lose.

And that's why when people believe that events occurred illegally which have caused them loss ---> they sue.

As I said, I think we would see endless lawsuits if this president were found to have been occupying the office illegally.

And that's just one angle.
There are many.

Do you think the 'balck community' would be down with Barry being removed?

I listened to a J. Corsi interview - and he rationally and carefully articulated the current issues regarding Obama's 'questionable' background.
Then some callers got to ask questions.
One balck guy came on and was like, "WTF is all this shit?? This is just whitey making up a bunch of garbage... etc., etc""

There would be a segment of society which would not believe any evidence brought in to bring Barry down - and you can be sure that violence would occur.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:06 am

poptart wrote:Well first, what, are these the only actions this president has taken?

Events which have happened can not be made to unhappen.
You're surely right about that.

However, there are often losses and gains (both financial and personal) when events have taken place.
People gain and people lose.

And that's why when people believe that events occurred illegally which have caused them loss ---> they sue.

As I said, I think we would see endless lawsuits if this president were found to have been occupying the office illegally.

And that's just one angle.
There are many.

Do you think the 'balck community' would be down with Barry being removed?

I listened to a J. Corsi interview - and he rationally and carefully articulated the current issues regarding Obama's 'questionable' background.
Then some callers got to ask questions.
One balck guy came on and was like, "WTF is all this shit?? This is just whitey making up a bunch of garbage... etc., etc""

There would be a segment of society which would not believe any evidence brought in to bring Barry down - and you can be sure that violence would occur.

you are out there. long gone. its as if the only people you interact with are hannity, glenn beck and neal bortz.

come back to earth.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:22 am

Meanwhile on planet earth, we visit that showpiece of the Obama jobs creation policy. I think I see Mikey going to the auction to pick up some cheap solar panels and maybe
a file cabinet or desk.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:29 am

Bace wrote:you are out there. long gone. its as if the only people you interact with are hannity, glenn beck and neal bortz.

When have those people talked about ObaMao's forged documents?

I've never heard it from them.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:29 am

poptart wrote:If Barry is illegal, he had no legal authority to bring Biden onto the ticket.

Biden would also be illegal.

Boehner would take over as prez, as I see it.

No surprise that you bungle your answer, what with you being an imbecile.

Biden could only be removed if he were convicted of "treason, bribery, high crimes or misdomeanors." What exactly do you think he could be convicted of that would meet that qualification?

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:32 am

poptart wrote:Well first, what, are these the only actions this president has taken?

Those are the main ones. Those are the ones that have defined his presidency.

Nice dodge, though, especially since you aren't offering up anything he's done while president that could be overturned just because he gained the office "illegally."

Events which have happened can not be made to unhappen.
You're surely right about that.

Which is why this whole thing will end up being nothing but an academic exercise/legal profession money grab even if anything ever does come of it.

However, there are often losses and gains (both financial and personal) when events have taken place.
People gain and people lose.

So? Who cares? Hurt-feelings lawsuits hardly constitute a MONUMENTAL NATIONAL CRISIS! GAAAAAH!

And that's why when people believe that events occurred illegally which have caused them loss ---> they sue.

So? Are you worried your regularly scheduled Davey and Goliath airings will be preempted by one too many shots of Greta Van Susteren hitting you with that goggle-eyed stroke-look of hers?

As I said, I think we would see endless lawsuits if this president were found to have been occupying the office illegally.

Could be, and BFD.

And that's just one angle.
There are many.

Then I'm sure you'll be happy to enumerate them in thoughtful detail.

Do you think the 'balck community' would be down with Barry being removed?

WGARA? If it can be proven that he gained the job illegally, they'll just have to deal with whatever happens.

Not that there's any chance whatsoever of Barry being removed from office over this. There's a better chance of the Old Testament telling the literal truth than there is of Barry being ushered out of office by the birthers.

I listened to a J. Corsi interview - and he rationally and carefully articulated the current issues regarding Obama's 'questionable' background.
Then some callers got to ask questions.
One balck guy came on and was like, "WTF is all this shit?? This is just whitey making up a bunch of garbage... etc., etc""

So? Other talkshows feature boneheaded rednecks calling in to bleat about nothing other than Obama's race. The Republic still stands.

There would be a segment of society which would not believe any evidence brought in to bring Barry down - and you can be sure that violence would occur.

Good for them. Guess they'll just have to endure a never-ending winter of discontent, similar to what the anti-Barry types are going through now.

And somehow, we're all still managing to go about our daily business. Imagine that.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:36 am

Diego, you'd be working on the ASSumption that Biden was holding the office legally to begin with.

He clearly would not have been.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:41 am

Okay, Van is of the view that a sitting president is found to have produced multiple forged documents which enabled him to illegally hold the office for almost 4 years, he is removed and/or convicted, and very little chaos ensues.

Oh well.
See that as you will.

Van, is this, iyo, a real pic? Curious.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:44 am

looks real

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:13 am

^^^^^ looking at old guys package.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:16 am

so who went back in time and doctored the photo?

who doctored the photo knowing full well whatit would be used to cover up? as if that photo proves anything.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:18 am

pop, I can't tell. I don't know whether your point about his arm angle is valid or not, and I'm no expert on pic wytching.

Bottom line: I don't really care about that pic, one way or the other.

My overall feeling on the birther issue is that it seems he sure has been evasive as hell about a lot of details regarding his past—all of his past, not just his place of birth. He may even be a lying fraud. Regardless, it no longer matters. Any action that might have resulted from these allegations needed to occur before he took office, and certainly before he spent a full term in office. If there was truly any merit to these allegations, why didn't his political opponents take him down? There is no way Hillary wouldn't have done so in '08 and there is no way the Republican Party wouldn't have, as well. The fact that neither McCain's nor Romney's people feel there's anything there tells me there's probably nothing there. As badly as you and his other opponents want him out, that level of vituperation pales in comparison to the power-lust of someone like Romney. That guy would leave no stone unturned in his pursuit of glory, so why isn't he bothering with this?

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:22 am

Papa Willie wrote:you malamute thug!

i am nice to dogs

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:29 am

'Spray, how could it possibly benefit any Republican opponent of Obama to lie on his behalf regarding the birther issue? Sure, politicians from both teams lie their asses off, but it's always to advance their own cause. Before you go tossing around accusations that guys like Romney, McCain and the Republican Governor of Hawaii are lying here, you have to ask yourself, "What would they have to gain from it?"

Same with Hillary. Even though she's a Democrat, she had no reason to lie on Obama's behalf, not in '08 anyway.