T1B

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:04 pm**

Sirfindafold wrote:Speaking of over-rated QB's, Lets talk about Dan Fouts.

He has losing record as starter, yet he's in the hall of fame.

Even Brees is better than that sorry-ass.

Which aint saying much.

I guess they had to put one charger in the HOF.

The bold is a fucking oxymoron in and of itself.

What do you expect SFF-this is the franchise who hails that horse nut-to-butt stabbing powder skinned plump redneck called stan humphries as one of thier greatest QB's ever.

Laughable. Simply laughable.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:08 pm**

^^^^^^^^^^^

Raiduhfan is still sleeping off last nights binge after a rare win, and is running smack in the midst of a drug induced stupor. :wink:

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:12 pm**

ChargerMike wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^

Raiduhfan is still sleeping off last nights binge after a rare win, and is running smack in the midst of a drug induced stupor. :wink:

Never underestimate the greatness of snorting coke lines off hot raider whores asses.

SFF brings up a great point-How the fuck did that grizzly adams motherfucker Fouts make it in the hall of fame with a losing fucking record? Football is a team sport, is it not? And he NEVER came close to winning (Or appearing) in a Super Bowl.

Even his personal accomplishments arent that fucking impressive. Fucking overrated peice of shit.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:19 pm**

Retired QB smack....always fresh.

Yes, I'll have to admit, Fouts' career W-L record shows how completely worthless Brees is. Great job. You win.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:22 pm**

Mikey wrote:Retired QB smack....always fresh.

Yes, I'll have to admit, Fouts' career W-L record shows how completely worthless Brees is. You win.

No, Brees shows how completely worthless Brees is every fucking Sunday.

No need for anyone else to make the argument when he drives the point home so well on a weekly basis.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:47 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Raydah James wrote:No, Brees shows how completely worthless Brees is every fucking Sunday.
28/33 339 yards 4 TDs 0 INTs Yep...pretty "worthless".

I get that you are attempting to "troll", but there's really nothing to work with here.

Yeah, im trolling the fact that Drew Brees fucking sucks.

One good game does not a career (or season) make.

Fuck him, fuck you, and fuck your shit team.

Yeah, see you guys in the super bowl-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:01 pm**

Raydah James wrote:
ChargerMike wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^

Raiduhfan is still sleeping off last nights binge after a rare win, and is running smack in the midst of a drug induced stupor. :wink:
Never underestimate the greatness of snorting coke lines off hot raider whores asses.

SFF brings up a great point-How the fuck did that grizzly adams motherfucker Fouts make it in the hall of fame with a losing fucking record? Football is a team sport, is it not? And he NEVER came close to winning (Or appearing) in a Super Bowl.

Even his personal accomplishments arent that fucking impressive. Fucking overrated peice of shit.

Then your whole losing fucking team should be in the Hall of Fame.

Dumbass.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:24 pm**

Raydah James wrote:
Mikey wrote:Retired QB smack....always fresh.

Yes, I'll have to admit, Fouts' career W-L record shows how completely worthless Brees is. You win.

No, Brees shows how completely worthless Brees is every fucking Sunday.

No need for anyone else to make the argument when he drives the point home so well on a weekly basis.

Bullsh*t

sin, FIVE straight win's over the Raiduhs..including this beauty.http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/ch ... rgers.html

The raiduh's are definitely my BITCH...Drew Brees

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:37 pm**

Brees happily sucks the cock of LT every night, thanks him for being a charger, then sucks his cock again for good measure.

Without LT, Brees = Sage Rosenfels

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:52 pm**

Sirfindafold wrote:Brees happily sucks the cock of LT every night, thanks him for being a charger, then sucks his cock again for good measure.

Without LT, Brees = Sage Rosenfels

BUT....BUT...HE WAS GOOD IN COLLEGE!!!!

*melt*

Sincerely,

Every charger tard

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:01 pm**

Just wait until the playoffs . Thta will be the true measuing stick .

Didn't Jeff George have a phenominal year with the Vikings once , only to melt in the playoffs the same season ?

BTW , Ken Dorsey had a QB rating of 101.1 yeasterday . :?

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:03 pm**

drummer wrote:
BTW , Ken Dorsey had a QB rating of 101.1 yeasterday . :?

NAILZ in our book. Dude is obviously pro bowl bound.

-Chargette Fan

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:37 pm**

Gawd I'm so glad the Raidhus finally won a freekin game. It's so good to once again see the myopia running rampant! Welcome back Raiduhfan...well for one week at least...

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:41 pm**

I guess calling out Brees for what he is equates to Raider myopia.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:00 pm**

^^^^^^^^^^

...yep, since he owns your a$$.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:05 pm**

Just your typical chargerfag. All giddy over a qb that has never accomplished anything. Then again, the chargers have never accomplished anything.

Wake us up when Brees wins a playoff game.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:05 pm**

ChargerMike wrote: How soon you twits forget how you were bagging on the Bolt's WR's. Do I need to go back and pull the threads?

Oh, I have a number of threads I plan on pulling up at the end of the season.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:25 pm**

ChargerMike wrote:Gawd I'm so glad the Raidhus finally won a freekin game. It's so good to once again see the myopia running rampant! Welcome back Raiduhfan...well for one week at least...

RACK THAT!!!
This place has been getting boring as hell lately!

Good to see Raider Fan back! And while you’re here…Thanks for helping out the Broncos with your win over the Redskins, their 1st round pick (that the Broncos get) is looking a little better now!

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:31 pm**

I don't think anyone has said boo about the WR corps of the Chargers- Gates & LT yes- but not McCardell, Parker & Caldwell.

I don't put Brees in the bottom half of QB's- but he's defnitely not elite. I think he is right outside the bottom or outside the top 10.

Who has he thrown for +250 yards on this year?

Philadelphia- Secondary that is not what it used to be- giving up alot of big plays
Kansas City- Shitty secondary- can't stop many people from throwing the ball
New York Jets- Nuff said
Buffalo- Stacked the box to prevent LT from going wild due to lack of their starting LB and it bit them in the ass.

Other than that he has only broken 200 yards 3 other times. and in 2 of those games he had QB ratings under 75 (65.1 against Dallas, 73.4 against Pitt).

His numbers against a decent D are mediocre at best. He is a decent QB- but don't think he's the second coming of John Elway b/c he had a good game yesterday. As someone else said- Ken Dorsey had a +100 QB rating- a good game doesn't mean much.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:43 pm**

mvscal wrote:
BBMarley wrote: He is a decent QB- but don't think he's the second coming of John Elway b/c he had a good game yesterday.
You idiots can stop acting like he's only had one good game.

You're right about him not being the second coming of John Elway. Elway never came close to a 100 passer rating in a season.

No question about it-you are the very definition of 'fucking moron'.

Thanks for saving us all the time of kicking your pussy ass around this place.

Mentioning brees with the top 5 QB's of today is the height of idiocy-mentioning him among one of the 5 greatest all timers is sheer, unrelenting blasphemy. You are a certifiable cunt-but then again, we already knew that......you're chargerfan.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:46 pm**

mvscal wrote:
BBMarley wrote: He is a decent QB- but don't think he's the second coming of John Elway b/c he had a good game yesterday.
You idiots can stop acting like he's only had one good game.

You're right about him not being the second coming of John Elway. Elway never came close to a 100 passer rating in a season.

Brees was 104.8 over last season and he's over 100 for this season. The numbers don't lie. He is a top ten QB by any criteria.

absolutely. A comparison to horseface is an insult. Elway didn't accomplish shit until Terrel Davis showed up. Fouts and Elway are both equally over-rated pieces o' crap.

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:59 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Raydah James wrote:Mentioning brees with the top 5 QB's of today is the height of idiocy-mentioning him among one of the 5 greatest all timers is sheer, unrelenting blasphemy.
Another eight or nine years like this year and last year and Brees is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

:Tears:

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:12 am**

Sorry, Mikey ... it's been an absolute zoo at my office today. As one of Brees' harshest critics over the past couple years, I have no problem coming correct to a certain point. At that time, I stated that, with his ability, he was either going to have to get a great deal smarter or get used to sporting a visor and clipboard on Sundays.

To his credit, he is playing smarter ... much smarter.

With nuclear warheads in the backfield and at TE, the table is set for Brees to feast on opposing defenses. All he has to do is keep from knocking things over. Since there are only a handful of teams that can defend BOTH rush and pass without selling out on one or another, the number of opportunities are extremely plentiful.

He's proven himself to be a capable starter and has shown some grit in holding onto his own job; however, that's where logic ends and myopia picks up. Among your fanbase, Joe seems to be the only one who can discuss this with an objective eye. The rest of you are convinced you have a 6' pop-gun-armed perennial MVP under center.

Of course, it's hard to blame you. After being forced to endure some of the stiffs trotted out there over the years, I'd probably see things a bit differently, too. I remember Blackledge, after all, so there's plenty of empathy to go around.

Good QB ... not elite QB, by any stretch of the imagination.

If I started a team and needed a quarterback for one season (let's assume all on the list are healthy), here is who would be under center before Brees.

Manning
Brady
Hasselbeck
Bulger
Favre
Vick
McNabb
McNair
Green

I would also make a case for Delhomme, Warner and Leftwich, but Brees is certainly in that category.

If you want to discuss long term (3+ years), pull McNair, Favre, Warner and Green off that list; however, by that point we might also be adding a Carr or Roethlisberger.

While I think he's overachieved to get to that point, he's certainly fringe top ten in my book. A big step from where I thought he'd be two years ago.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:48 am**

orcinus wrote:Sorry, Mikey ... it's been an absolute zoo at my office today. As one of Brees' harshest critics over the past couple years, I have no problem coming correct to a certain point. At that time, I stated that, with his ability, he was either going to have to get a great deal smarter or get used to sporting a visor and clipboard on Sundays.

To his credit, he is playing smarter ... much smarter.

With nuclear warheads in the backfield and at TE, the table is set for Brees to feast on opposing defenses. All he has to do is keep from knocking things over. Since there are only a handful of teams that can defend BOTH rush and pass without selling out on one or another, the number of opportunities are extremely plentiful.

He's proven himself to be a capable starter and has shown some grit in holding onto his own job; however, that's where logic ends and myopia picks up. Among your fanbase, Joe seems to be the only one who can discuss this with an objective eye. The rest of you are convinced you have a 6' pop-gun-armed perennial MVP under center.

Of course, it's hard to blame you. After being forced to endure some of the stiffs trotted out there over the years, I'd probably see things a bit differently, too. I remember Blackledge, after all, so there's plenty of empathy to go around.

Good QB ... not elite QB, by any stretch of the imagination.

If I started a team and needed a quarterback for one season (let's assume all on the list are healthy), here is who would be under center before Brees.

Manning
Brady
Hasselbeck
Bulger
Favre
Vick
McNabb
McNair
Green

I would also make a case for Delhomme, Warner and Leftwich, but Brees is certainly in that category.

If you want to discuss long term (3+ years), pull McNair, Favre, Warner and Green off that list; however, by that point we might also be adding a Carr or Roethlisberger.

While I think he's overachieved to get to that point, he's certainly fringe top ten in my book. A big step from where I thought he'd be two years ago.

Hey Orc..ya gotta put me in their with Joe as far as my opinion of Brees. Until last year, I wanted him out on a rail. Since, Dude has sacked up big time and I feel very comfortable with him running the Bolt's attack. He doesn't throw picks and doesn't make many mistakes. He's accurate as hell and can get the ball to secondary receivers on a regular basis.

About the ONLY thing I can remember saying about Brees is he has turned into one of the leagues more "accurate" passers, and that he own's the Raiduhs?? uh except for the above.

Matter of fact, I was one of his harshest critic's...Even sported a sig for awhile which read "I always said Drew Brees was a top NFL QB" (in jest of course).

Just setting the record straight :wink:

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:55 am**

orcinus wrote:Sorry, Mikey ... it's been an absolute zoo at my office today. As one of Brees' harshest critics over the past couple years, I have no problem coming correct to a certain point. At that time, I stated that, with his ability, he was either going to have to get a great deal smarter or get used to sporting a visor and clipboard on Sundays.

To his credit, he is playing smarter ... much smarter.

With nuclear warheads in the backfield and at TE, the table is set for Brees to feast on opposing defenses. All he has to do is keep from knocking things over. Since there are only a handful of teams that can defend BOTH rush and pass without selling out on one or another, the number of opportunities are extremely plentiful.

He's proven himself to be a capable starter and has shown some grit in holding onto his own job; however, that's where logic ends and myopia picks up. Among your fanbase, Joe seems to be the only one who can discuss this with an objective eye. The rest of you are convinced you have a 6' pop-gun-armed perennial MVP under center.

Of course, it's hard to blame you. After being forced to endure some of the stiffs trotted out there over the years, I'd probably see things a bit differently, too. I remember Blackledge, after all, so there's plenty of empathy to go around.

Good QB ... not elite QB, by any stretch of the imagination.

If I started a team and needed a quarterback for one season (let's assume all on the list are healthy), here is who would be under center before Brees.

Manning
Brady
Hasselbeck
Bulger
Favre
Vick
McNabb
McNair
Green

I would also make a case for Delhomme, Warner and Leftwich, but Brees is certainly in that category.

If you want to discuss long term (3+ years), pull McNair, Favre, Warner and Green off that list; however, by that point we might also be adding a Carr or Roethlisberger.

While I think he's overachieved to get to that point, he's certainly fringe top ten in my book. A big step from where I thought he'd be two years ago.

I don't have any illusions of Brees being a "great" QB. For one thing he hasn't been around long enough to earn that label. He's in his fourth year as a starter and after two pretty sub par seasons he had a break out year last season. 27 TDs 7 int, 104 rating. Pretty damn good no matter what team you're playing for.

He's got his faults. Too small for one thing, and he has games where he can't seem to get it done. But really, you can't argue with the stats. He has the third highest rating in the league right now. He does have great players around him in LT and Gates, and an outstanding OL, but the WRs have been inconsistent at best.

I'm not saying, and never have said, that he's the best in the league, but I do think he belongs in the top 5 right now. Of your list the only ones that I think I might trade him straight up for would be Manning, Brady and maybe Vick. Considering we basically got Brees and LT in a trade for Vick, I'd say that was a pretty damn good deal.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:45 am**

Mikey wrote:He's got his faults. Too small for one thing, and he has games where he can't seem to get it done. But really, you can't argue with the stats. He has the third highest rating in the league right now. He does have great players around him in LT and Gates, and an outstanding OL, but the WRs have been inconsistent at best.

I'm not saying, and never have said, that he's the best in the league, but I do think he belongs in the top 5 right now.

This is where the wheels come off a bit, Mikey. On one hand, you admit he has faults and games where he can't seem to get things done ... and then you place him in the top five based on stats.

Stats can support an argument; however, they shouldn't be the primary basis for one. That's where FFL has contributed to an overall jading of our discussions.

If you want to base your thought process on quarterback rating then, yes, Brees is a top-five quarterback, but stats only make you look good on paper ... and for all its luster, QB rating is an overhyped stat that has lost a great deal of its relevance in today's game.

While you can say you'd only swap Brees out for two players on that list, I think you're extremely short-sighted in your opinon.

There are players on that list without the faults Brees carries and, while hypothetical, I could make a strong case that many (if not most) would surpass his accomplishments in a similar situation.

Given time to operate, a strong running game and a beast at tight end, you simply can't leave players off the list who have put up those kinds of numbers for years in less-desirable situations.

That said, whether you win or lose this type of argument, you still have the situation ... and you still have a quarterback that has, for the most part, played mistake-free ball.

If he's able to get it done and lead you to a Super Bowl, who the hell cares what he's ranked?

Honestly, this argument is happening several years too early. Let's see a few more peaks and valleys before we decide where Brees fits on the QB food chain.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:07 am**

orc,

I can agree with most of what you said, particularlay in that it's too early to make any kind of serious judgement on his long term "greatness", which really wasn't the point in the first place. But I still contend that he's in the top five of the QBs that are playing right now. What I mainly objected to in the beginning of this thread were those claiming he's one of the worst in the league, or bottom 10 or whatever. That is just monumentally stupid. He certainly was in the bottom 10 three years ago but he has come a long way since then.

As well, I don't think that my admitting that he "has his faults" detracts from my argument. All I'm saying here is that no QB is perfect, and anybody who thinks that his team's QB is perfect is the true myopic. Vick isn't as accurate. Favre throws too many int's. Manning called some shitty audibles when the Colts were trying to run out the clock. Joe Montana certainly had his shortcomings but he still turned out to be one of the best ever, IMO. The secret is to know your strengths and your weaknesses and play accordingly. I think that Brees has come a long way in doing that.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:19 am**

RACK this thread!!

...and all my brothahs recognizing FINALLY that the old man in Ariz. still has a lot of gas left in his tank. :D

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 am**

Drew Brees=Dave Krieg. Better then average,but aint going to take much further than the first round of the playoffs.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:50 am**

orcinus wrote:
To his credit, he is playing smarter ... much smarter.

He's proven himself to be a capable starter and has shown some grit in holding onto his own job...

Good QB ... not elite QB, by any stretch of the imagination.

If I started a team and needed a quarterback for one season (let's assume all on the list are healthy), here is who would be under center before Brees.

Manning
Brady
Hasselbeck
Bulger
Favre
Vick
McNabb
McNair
Green

I would also make a case for Delhomme, Warner and Leftwich, but Brees is certainly in that category.

If you want to discuss long term (3+ years), pull McNair, Favre, Warner and Green off that list; however, by that point we might also be adding a Carr or Roethlisberger.

While I think he's overachieved to get to that point, he's certainly fringe top ten in my book. A big step from where I thought he'd be two years ago.

A pretty accurate assessment Dana. I would probably group Brees with the likes of Delhomme & Hasselbeck (who isn't an elite QB in my mind until he can win a big gm or two on the road), but I'd also say that both of those guys have better Olines than Brees too. Drew can't make all the throws that most on that list can, and hence isn't at his best playing from way behind. He's also not the type of QB that can carry a team on his shoulders like a Brady or Manning. But he is poised in the pocket and is playing smarter. I've seen him keep many a play alive over the last year and a half by stepping up in the pocket or side stepping pass rushers. He gets rid of the ball quickly & doesn't take sacks. His accuracy improved last season and he hasn't missed a beat this year.

As for being objective, how is Trent Green on that list? His play certainly has dropped off this season. So I don't think it's a certainty he would out produce Brees in the Bolts offense if given the opportunity. Granted Favre's and McNair's play has dropped off too, but they have less to work with.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:05 pm**

I'd like to remind the masses here that Brees has done everything a great NFL has had to do so far. Yet the critics still amaze me. *shrug*.

I'd also like to remind you that Brees didn't lose the playoff game last year, Martyball lost it.

Enough said.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:26 pm**

trev wrote:I'd like to remind the masses here that Brees has done everything a great NFL has had to do so far.

Talk about your low expectations. no surprise. Charger fan is unfamiliar with staying alive in the playoffs leading up to a Super Bowl.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:46 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Raydah James wrote:Mentioning brees with the top 5 QB's of today is the height of idiocy-mentioning him among one of the 5 greatest all timers is sheer, unrelenting blasphemy.
Another eight or nine years like this year and last year and Brees is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Care to tell me what first ballot hall of famer this is? Numbers stack up pretty damn close to Brees once this QB took over the helm. So you're saying that you need 10 years of this level of production and you're first ballot. 8 years and you're still on the outside like this guy? Care to take a stab? It's a pretty close comparison to Brees.

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 Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1976     |  14 |    13    20  65.0   213  10.7   2   2 |     6    17   0 |
| 1977     |  14 |     4    10  40.0    35   3.5   0   1 |     1    -2   0 |
| 1978     |  16 |    20    34  58.8   215   6.3   0   1 |     5     7   0 |
| 1979     |  16 |    19    39  48.7   267   6.8   1   2 |     1    25   0 |
| 1980     |  16 |   260   436  59.6  3287   7.5  28  25 |    27   114   1 |
| 1981     |  16 |   223   391  57.0  3098   7.9  22  13 |    38   104   0 |
| 1982     |   9 |   156   247  63.2  2079   8.4  16  12 |    17    91   0 |
| 1983     |  16 |   334   533  62.7  3980   7.5  29  23 |    18    31   4 |
| 1984     |  14 |   126   233  54.1  1580   6.8  11  11 |     6    21   0 |
| 1985     |  14 |   267   450  59.3  3157   7.0  21  17 |    22    44   1 |
| 1986     |   7 |    95   153  62.1  1157   7.6  12   5 |     8    16   1 |
| 1987     |  11 |   215   362  59.4  2617   7.2  12  17 |    10    14   1 |
| 1988     |   3 |    29    42  69.0   274   6.5   1   3 |     0     0   0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
|  TOTAL   | 166 |  1761  2950  59.7 21959   7.4 155 132 |   159   482   8 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

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                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2001 sdg |   1 |    15    27  55.6   221   8.2   1   0 |     2    18   0 |
| 2002 sdg |  16 |   320   526  60.8  3284   6.2  17  16 |    38   130   1 |
| 2003 sdg |  11 |   205   356  57.6  2108   5.9  11  15 |    21    84   0 |
| 2004 sdg |  15 |   262   400  65.5  3159   7.9  27   7 |    53    85   2 |
| 2005 sdg |  10 |   201   302  66.6  2438   8.1  18   8 |    11     5   0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
|  TOTAL   |  53 |  1003  1611  62.3 11210   7.0  74  46 |   125   322   3 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

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Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:48 pm**

mvscal wrote:
SirGulpALoad wrote: Charger fan is unfamiliar with staying alive in the playoffs leading up to a Super Bowl.
Neither is this generation of Raiderfan. What's your point?

The Raiders made it to the Super Bowl three years ago. They would have made it the year before if not for a bullshit call. Pull your head out of your ass.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:50 pm**

Good question, Joe. Aside from an abysmal game in Buffalo, I don't think Green hasn't played that poorly overall ... but that's a view from within.

He's been efficent and extremely productive within our offense but, like Brees, he's benefitted from a strong running game and huge target at TE.

While I would take him over Brees for one season under the same circumstances, I don't consider Green to be an elite-level quarterback, either.

Good quarterback who has successfully led one of the more potent offenses in the NFL over the past few years and, like Brees, he's made it to the Pro Bowl.

Then again, in recent years, so have these guys ...

Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Jeff Garcia
Steve Beuerlein
Kordell Stewart
Chris Chandler
Brad Johnson
Brian Griese
Mark Brunell

Lastly, for trev ... Have defensive coordinators ever spent the majority of the week wondering how in the hell they were going to stop Drew Brees?

Didn't think so.

Great quarterbacks keep defensive coordinators from sleeping all week. The next time your guy keeps one up will be the first.

Good QB ... not great QB.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:04 pm**

Headhunter wrote: Care to tell me what first ballot hall of famer this is? Care to take a stab? It's a pretty close comparison to Brees.

DF, little help here.....

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:15 pm**

Sirfindafold wrote:
mvscal wrote:
SirGulpALoad wrote: Charger fan is unfamiliar with staying alive in the playoffs leading up to a Super Bowl.
Neither is this generation of Raiderfan. What's your point?

The Raiders made it to the Super Bowl three years ago. They would have made it the year before if not for a bullshit call. Pull your head out of your ass.

'B0D3

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:16 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Sirfindafold wrote:The Raiders made it to the Super Bowl three years ago.
How did that work out for ya?

As bad as it was for the Raiders, I would say they played much better than chargers did, against the 9ers thirty years ago, in there only SB appearance.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:17 pm**

Headhunter wrote:Care to tell me what first ballot hall of famer this is?

First ballot Hall of Famer?

You sure you didn't mean to post Dan Fouts numbers?

Which were hella better than Drew Brees.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:18 pm**

BSmack wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Care to tell me what first ballot hall of famer this is?
First ballot Hall of Famer?

You sure you didn't mean to post Dan Fouts numbers?

Which were hella better than Drew Brees.

Yeah, kinda like Art Monks numbers against Lynn Swans.....

Shut the fuck up, Bri.

T1B

Drew's stats yesterday