Red wrote:G.O. wrote:
dominant?
monk had records- including more receptions than any WR currently in the hall.
thats not dominant?
He scored eight touchdowns in a season two times in sixteen years. In his
very best season he had five 100+ yard games. Sorry, but that's not dominant; that's really good for a really long time.
touchdowns is the measure of dominance? or is it 100 yard games?
i've already demonstrated that monk played on run dominated teams- so much so that 3 different redskins running backs lead the league in attempts and 2 of them lead the league in rushing TD's during monks playing years. and he also had gary clark playing alongside him. you call that excuses- the fact is the skins had some very good weapons around him- unlike comtemporaries like largent. should monk be punished for being on teams with good weapons? aikman and irvins stats arent overwhelming- emmitt took all the numbers- yet they both belong in the hall and i dont punish them for being on a team with a great RB. and monk didnt have a HOF QB throwing to him.
along those same lines, you said you 'didnt have to game plan' to stop monk. first of all, neither one of us is marvin lewis. but bill polian had something to say about monk "
I was a pro scout when he was playing, so it was my job to know who those guys were. I would put Art in that category, but apparently there are a lot of Hall of Fame voters who don't feel Art Monk was in that category. It's hard for me to believe they ever saw him play." matt millen said "
In putting together the game plan, you said, 'We've got to take away Art Monk.' He might have only four catches, but three of them were on critical third downs. That's why his numbers don't tell the story, it's when you make the catches."
the skins of the 80s and early 90s went to 4 SB's and won 3. that would be dominant. so, after john riggins, who retired in 85, who did you have to game plan against? monk was the most dominant player on that team after riggins left. i didnt even bring up championships in comparing monks achievements to other WR's, but its worth noting.
as far as the longevity argument which i already addressed- when monk broke the single season pass record with 106 catches, it was a record that had stood for 20 years. it wasnt broken for 8 years. what does that have to do with longevity?
your argument seems to be that monk stayed around and racked up numbers. i already demonstrated that even if you leave off monks final 4 seasons, he would still have retired with the
7th most reception yards in history- on a run dominated team. and of course, his reception numbers would be unrivaled as well.
and if you argue that monk made a career out of catching 7 yard passes, its worth noting that he had a better YPC average over his entire career than marvin harrison and nearly identical to tim browns 13.7 ypc.
monk suffers from being 10 years retired in an era when WR's put up huge numbers.
in the end, monk put up great- not 'very good'- numbers on a team with many other weapons. a WR with 940 career catches is as close to unstoppable as you can get. and many of his accomplishments have nothing to do with longevity. as such, he belongs in the hall.
