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ChargerMike wrote:I'll tell you this, I've been listening to talk raido all day, and 9 out of 10 calls are from LEGAL, do it the right way law abiding Mexicans who are embarrassed and denounce the illegals.

And you think the calls you hear on talk radio aren't screaned for content? I guarantee you that anyone saying they are a "legal immigrant" is getting bumped to the front of the line.

ChargerMike wrote:RACK..Bushice, Seer, Chargerfan..you mofo's live here and "GET IT".

some asshole in Virginia or Rhode Island (not you Cue) doesn't see what we see every freekin day. It's a freeking crime to see a fat, liquored up, stumbling, slur speeched Teddy "the human feces pile" Kennedy spew off and then go home to his mansion in freekin Massashitsuts.

When interviewed on the street the class cutting beaners couldn't answer a single question posed to them. They have no freekin clue what's going on. I'll tell you this, I've been listening to talk raido all day, and 9 out of 10 calls are from LEGAL, do it the right way law abiding Mexicans who are embarrassed and denounce the illegals.

Forgive any typos, no spelling smack..I'm pissed and hammered this sucker out as fast as I could.

Oh so I am the asshole then huh???

I am all for sending them back. Some of us here on the least coast are with ya Mike......

mvscal wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote: acting like the lines drawn on the earth mean much,

Actually they do you fucking dimwitted tard.

I'd like to see his fucking tard ass cross some borders over in E. Asia and tell them 'they don't mean shit!'

I'll rack Mexicans who come to the US to earn a living. The ones that I've seen do so in a productive manner. They are family-oriented, they are hard-working, and what's more, they are welcomed by many an employer - big and small.

PSUFAN wrote:I'll rack Mexicans who come to the US to earn a living. The ones that I've seen do so in a productive manner. They are family-oriented, they are hard-working, and what's more, they are welcomed by many an employer - big and small.

I have no doubt that they are welcomed by many an employer. Especialy in this time of impending baby boomer retirement as the labor pool grows smaller and market pressures SHOULD be driving wages upwards, illegals provide a very convienent downward pressure on the wage market.

Word, if you want an honest days work, hire a Guatamalan. You bring in a Mexican and they are sitting on their ass everytime you are out of their sight. At least that is how it is here in Northern Tijuana.

PSUFAN wrote:I'll rack Mexicans who come to the US to earn a living. The ones that I've seen do so in a productive manner. They are family-oriented, they are hard-working, and what's more, they are welcomed by many an employer - big and small.

Spoken like someone whose job opportunities are not impacted by the influx of illegal aliens coming in.





Fuck you, PSUFan. Are you a democrat, too?

titlover wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote: acting like the lines drawn on the earth mean much,

Actually they do you fucking dimwitted tard.

I'd like to see his fucking tard ass cross some borders over in E. Asia and tell them 'they don't mean shit!'

Surprise surprise. Neither of you got the point.

someone whose job opportunities are not impacted

News, probably at least to you: job opportunites are always "impacted" by things. If I was interested in dishwashing or leaf-blowing as a job, for examples, I'd spend less time worrying about who might want to replace me than I would spend doing a good job with those things, and therefore making my services indispensable. I'm never "owed" a job or a living, I need to carve those things out for myself.

PSUFAN wrote:

someone whose job opportunities are not impacted

News, probably at least to you: job opportunites are always "impacted" by things. If I was interested in dishwashing or leaf-blowing as a job, for examples, I'd spend less time worrying about who might want to replace me than I would spend doing a good job with those things, and therefore making my services indispensable. I'm never "owed" a job or a living, I need to carve those things out for myself.

Like those carpenters and masons and sheetwallers and gardeners and home healthcare providers and housecleaners and hospitality workers who attempt to make their own business, or who attempt to work for someone else, because that's what they love and that's what they do.. but they can't because they will NEVER be able to undercut what illegals offer their services for?

especially when illegals can be used without paying the appropriate taxes on them by unscrupulous but greedy companies?

you're wrong on this one, psufan, and it does affect you. you just don't have it hitting you upside the head yet with just HOW illegal immigrants willing to work at slave wages and not contribute to the system except through stolen identities and will discriminate against anyone who isn't spanish speaking or even from their residence (a la what happens in jails in texas).....


you don't think you're impacted. but people are. and for every illegal who ends up in school, that's a native/legal citizen who is pushed to the side.

do you really want a slave state? or a latin american state, where the majority of people are poor, and the top 5 or less percent are not?

and it's not like protecting the borders can't be done.

Mexico does it... when it's not the american border. Mexico just wants rid of it's brown skinned folks.

Venezuela does it.

Israel does it.

Everybody does.


Even America does it... when those illegals are black/Haitian.


The black man is damned, again.
The poor man -- no matter what his race -- is damned again.

PSUFAN wrote:

someone whose job opportunities are not impacted

News, probably at least to you: job opportunites are always "impacted" by things. If I was interested in dishwashing or leaf-blowing as a job, for examples, I'd spend less time worrying about who might want to replace me than I would spend doing a good job with those things, and therefore making my services indispensable. I'm never "owed" a job or a living, I need to carve those things out for myself.

Still dodging the obvious issue of a shrinking labor pool being artificially propped up by illegals operating within a completely separate wage economy?

America is damning the black man? America is done damning the black man. It can't do any more damage than the black man is already doin' to himself.

you don't think you're impacted.

I guess you ignored/miscategorized my post. Dolt.

Still dodging the obvious issue of a shrinking labor pool being artificially propped up by illegals operating within a completely separate wage economy?

You're typing to someone who makes his living in the world of IT. Initially, me and my ilk thought that the internet was the new frontier waiting to be blazed. It really is, but the fact is, someone is always "impacting" my trail to greatness, unless I keep my machette sharp. On all such trails, the strong and the smart set the pace.

PSUFAN wrote:You're typing to someone who makes his living in the world of IT. Initially, me and my ilk thought that the internet was the new frontier waiting to be blazed. It really is, but the fact is, someone is always "impacting" my trail to greatness, unless I keep my machette sharp. On all such trails, the strong and the smart set the pace.

The smart and the strong also protect what they have won. Otherwise, they will wake up one day and find it all gone. As someone in IT, how do you feel about the H-1B program allowing employers to fill the labor market with foriegn workers rather than hiring and training Americans?

Bizzarofelice wrote:

ChargerMike wrote: I'll tell you this, I've been listening to talk raido all day

No further questions, Your Honor.

...touche'..the only question was who would be the first to jump!
I quess I should have added, I've been listening to talk radio all day while getting 3 million in motel sales signed off :wink:

To be honest, I'm not surprised by it. I understand that organizations will try to conduct business while paring down costs wherever possible. I can spend my time bemoaning that, or I can concentrate on the opportunities that I can create and explore for myself.

PSUFAN wrote:I'll rack Mexicans who come to the US to earn a living. The ones that I've seen do so in a productive manner. They are family-oriented, they are hard-working, and what's more, they are welcomed by many an employer - big and small.

...now there's the "all- american statement"..sounds perfect, earn a living, productive, family oriented.

illegal: forbidden by law or statute. describe actions not in accordance with the law. syn. unlawful, illicit, criminal.

I'm talking ILLEGAL'S

However....

Based on estimates developed by the National Academy of Sciences for immigrants by age and education at arrival, the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative $55,200. (and that included those who become American citizens..DRAIN MUCH?

memo to PSUFAN...no you're not impacted

What I'm saying is that I'll RACK the guy who lives in a shithole and wants to better himself, so he comes to The Land of Opportunity to work hard and provide for his family.

In so doing I'm not applauding those that rely on illegal labor. You know as well as I do that you'd hop the fence and work illegally here if you were in a mexican shithole, if it meant that you could better yourself.

PSUFAN wrote:To be honest, I'm not surprised by it. I understand that organizations will try to conduct business while paring down costs wherever possible. I can spend my time bemoaning that, or I can concentrate on the opportunities that I can create and explore for myself.

You assume that someone cannot both work to the best of their potential AND have a healthy concern for the job market they are a part of? How's that work?

I vote. And when I do vote, I vote for people who work in my interest. And I can assure you that anybody who supports a guest worker program is not going to get my vote the next time around. And if that means I'll have to go Chuck D and say "neither party is mine, not the jackass or the elephant" then so be it.

BSmack wrote:I vote. And when I do vote, I vote for people who work in my interest. And I can assure you that anybody who supports a guest worker program is not going to get my vote the next time around. And if that means I'll have to go Chuck D and say "neither party is mine, not the jackass or the elephant" then so be it.

RACK

You assume that someone cannot both work to the best of their potential AND have a healthy concern for the job market they are a part of? How's that work?

Absolutely not. There are many things about our economy, and specifically my role it it, that concern me. I do however regard it as my responsibility to carve out my own opportunity through hard work, instead of pointing to the sky and declaring that I've been wronged.

PSUFAN wrote:

You assume that someone cannot both work to the best of their potential AND have a healthy concern for the job market they are a part of? How's that work?

Absolutely not. There are many things about our economy, and specifically my role it it, that concern me. I do however regard it as my responsibility to carve out my own opportunity through hard work, instead of pointing to the sky and declaring that I've been wronged.

This is the digital age. It is possible to work for your rights as a worker AND work for your future at the same time.

Here's another thought for you to ponder. The longer we allow our borders to remain a sieve, the longer the oligarchy in Mexico will be able to screw their people over.

So if you are in some Mexican shithole, would you illegally cross the border and work under the table in the US, or would you stay in the shithole?

Dealing crack can be more lucrative than working at McDs, but we don't need to go applauding the dealers.

BSmack wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:To be honest, I'm not surprised by it. I understand that organizations will try to conduct business while paring down costs wherever possible. I can spend my time bemoaning that, or I can concentrate on the opportunities that I can create and explore for myself.

You assume that someone cannot both work to the best of their potential AND have a healthy concern for the job market they are a part of? How's that work?

I vote. And when I do vote, I vote for people who work in my interest. And I can assure you that anybody who supports a guest worker program is not going to get my vote the next time around. And if that means I'll have to go Chuck D and say "neither party is mine, not the jackass or the elephant" then so be it.

CONCUR

PSUFAN wrote:So if you are in some Mexican shithole, would you illegally cross the border and work under the table in the US, or would you stay in the shithole?

...look, the freeking Mexican government doesn't want these people in Mexico! They provide manuals on how to cross the border and how to work the U.S. system for all it's worth. They come in, work, send all their money back to mexico and ...walla, we end up with the cast-offs draining our system, and Mexico ends up with the $$$$$$$. NICE.

Are you telling me as an American you sanction this?

Regardless of the various racist fears and bile being expressed, no one is simply bellying up to the bar and admitting that the ENTIRE agricultural industry of California is TOTALLY DEPENDENT on "illegals." How's that feel?--your head in the sand?

Think the giant agribusinesses would eat the extra costs of actually paying these hardworking men and women decent livable wages? Or would YOU be paying $4.00 a pound for broccli and $5.00 a pound for apples? Ever wonder why a (domestically grown) cantaloupe in Japan costs $100.00?

As for the "social services drain" argument offered against the "illegals," notice how the proponents of this claim NEVER mention the $billons in SALES TAX contributed by these folks?

As far as the basic seemingly sound argument of "playing by the rules," well, folks, here come those chickens comin' home to roost. Because America has become the principal violator of international law in the past several years--routinely disregarding ANY national or international law that the Cheney/Chimp cabal doesn't like. We have no more moral highground from which to posture. THIS is (part of) the price we're indebted to pay.

Buenas Dias!!

(get REAL used to it)

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Think the giant agribusinesses would eat the extra costs of actually paying these hardworking men and women decent livable wages? Or would YOU be paying $4.00 a pound for broccli and $5.00 a pound for apples? Ever wonder why a (domestically grown) cantaloupe in Japan costs $100.00?

So it is better to create a separate sub-economy of virtual slave labor?

What about all the farm equipment manufacturers who are losing sales because it is cheaper to use illegals than it is to purchase more efficient picking equipment?

LTS TRN 2 wrote:As for the "social services drain" argument offered against the "illegals," notice how the proponents of this claim NEVER mention the $billons in SALES TAX contributed by these folks?

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BSmack wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Think the giant agribusinesses would eat the extra costs of actually paying these hardworking men and women decent livable wages? Or would YOU be paying $4.00 a pound for broccli and $5.00 a pound for apples? Ever wonder why a (domestically grown) cantaloupe in Japan costs $100.00?

So it is better to create a separate sub-economy of virtual slave labor?

What about all the farm equipment manufacturers who are losing sales because it is cheaper to use illegals than it is to purchase more efficient picking equipment?

Uh, "create" it?

psssst...smacker...it's ALREADY HERE. And has been all along, yea, big corps have always kinda liked that. WalMart, as you know, really likes it. Anyway, the issue is one of adjustment of a system, as paradoxical and unweildly as it is. And while the notion of creating eleven million felons with the stroke of a pen may very well be making the prison industry execs' eyes glaze over, the insanity of this is off the chart--and would backfire so ridiculously it would make the Quagmire and Katrina look cool and clean. Wake the fuck up.

lts trn2 wrote:Regardless of the various racist fears and bile being expressed, no one is simply bellying up to the bar and admitting that the ENTIRE agricultural industry of California is TOTALLY DEPENDENT on "illegals." How's that feel?--your head in the sand?

HELLO anybody home? The argriculture industry of California would do quite nicely if the illegals working the fields went through the process of becoming LEGAL. Their skill level precludes most of them from doing anything else but picking. The other who have more skills hang out at Home Depot and do "Day work". I'm quite sure the Plutocrats running our Government could legislate a lower minimum wage for field workers.

Think the giant agribusinesses would eat the extra costs of actually paying these hardworking men and women decent livable wages? Or would YOU be paying $4.00 a pound for broccli and $5.00 a pound for apples? Ever wonder why a (domestically grown) cantaloupe in Japan costs $100.00?

Ever wonder why 98% of babies born at County USC are born of illegal women and have instant citizenship? Ever wonder why 30% of inmates in our prison system are illegals? Ever wonder why half the emergency and trauma centers in SoCal have shut down? I could give a flyingFreak about the cost of produce in Japan!

As for the "social services drain" argument offered against the "illegals," notice how the proponents of this claim NEVER mention the $billons in SALES TAX contributed by these folks?

And notice how you never mention the billions lost in Income Tax revenue NOT contributed by these folks. I mentioned this before, a good friend of mine works construction. He works on the same crew with Jose, Roberto, and Miguel. He works all year with them and in December they head back to Mexico. Along about mid January, Jose, Roberto, and Miguel are back on the job.....oh except their names are Juan, Carlos, and Jesus...yeah you guessed it, same beaners, different names. Now do you really think any of them paid Income tax...say NO

Whine
Whine
Whine.

Ha ha ha.

I'm guessing the anti-Mexican sentiment in the USA is somewhat similar to the anti-European sentiment felt by the Native Americans.

mvscal wrote:I'm guessing it's not even remotely similar.

We are in no danger now or ever of being wiped out by Mexicans.

as long as the bird flu doesn't migrate to messican food

Think the giant agribusinesses would eat the extra costs of actually paying these hardworking men and women decent livable wages? Or would YOU be paying $4.00 a pound for broccli and $5.00 a pound for apples? Ever wonder why a (domestically grown) cantaloupe in Japan costs $100.00?

The majority of Agribusiness uses Labor Contractors when it comes to harvesting crops dipshit. The contracts are won through a competitive bidding process or awarded from good work done in past harvests. The workers who actually are employed by the farms make a decent wage, have on-site housing provided by their employer and are covered by Work Comp Insurance as mandated by law. They are NOT "Illegals."
Labor Contractors are typically Hispanic who rape illegals for their gain only because they know they have no voice. They are usually ruthless motherfuckers who have a posse of foremen that cram the bastards into shit vans and cart their ass to the fields at daybreak and after a stop to drink beer and send money home via a wire transfer at some dive market dump them off into makeshift camps to live. These Contractors are living in Big fucking houses and make as much or sometimes much more than the farmer who contracts their services. None of this shit's gonna change anytime soon.

So, Nish, just when did the Brit roll up the welcome mat? I gather the old post-colonial policy allowed any citizen of the colonized nations to sidle in and SIGN UP. But apparently that's been sensibly adjusted. And pretty easy to enforce, I'd guess. Besides the always sporting Chunnel Fun Runs, probably only a few brave boats even attempt it--especially now with all the necessary Extra Security measures. Having one's nation located on a wind swept grey bleak strip of rock in the freezing sea has its benefits, it seems.

mvscal wrote:

Nishlord wrote:Whine
Whine
Whine.

Ha ha ha.

You have a worse problem, dumbfuck.

FTFY-NC

mvscal wrote:I'm guessing it's not even remotely similar.

We are in no danger now or ever of being wiped out by Mexicans.

Then why the hysteria..let them all in..cleaner hotel rooms, faster service at Taco Cabana...neater lawns

mvscal wrote:
If he is here illegally, he is trespassing and needs to be shown the door immediately.

So, we need to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and bring all the troops home for the alien hunt of approx. 12 million undocumented illegals?

Of course, that also means we're gonna' need about 10,000 buses to pack all these folks up in order to "show them the door". Will you be driving one of these buses?

Then again, I suppose we could just frog-march these nasties to the border.

Yeah, something like that might work.

War Wagon wrote:

mvscal wrote:
If he is here illegally, he is trespassing and needs to be shown the door immediately.

So, we need to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and bring all the troops home for the alien hunt of approx. 12 million undocumented illegals?

Of course, that also means we're gonna' need about 10,000 buses to pack all these folks up in order to "show them the door". Will you be driving one of these buses?

Then again, I suppose we could just frog-march these nasties to the border.

Yeah, something like that might work.

We are not there illegally, we are at war, and from the looks at downtown we may soon be at war on the homeland!