Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:42 pm
Well, that too. :wink: But the advice holds regardless.
Yes, and it seemed pretty clear at the time that the respect was not a mutual one.Sis Wrote:
You mean when you said you didn't see why I was all ga-ga and stars in the eyes over Van in the first place?
Van, I can't possibly claim to know Annie as well as you apparently do, but having said that, I respectfully disagree. Here's why.Van wrote:Terry, in all seriousness if you really wish for her well being you'll root for the day when she throws away her computer and never wastes another moment on the internet, growing ever more insulated and paranoid.
I don't know too much about Annie's personal life offline. I do know, however, that she manages to hold a job and to support herself on a level which is at least acceptable to her. I have no doubt that there are plenty of internet addicts walking around, and many of them can't do the above. It's also worth noting that she managed to do this while moving to a city where she did not know a soul, with little more than the clothes on her back, and without the benefit of significant formal education.It's doing her no good at all, and quite a bit of harm. She's not like you. She doesn't have a real career like job and a family right there with her and a life full of interests away from the internet. This place and others like it are pretty much it for her, and she's a total wreck because of it. Until she divorces the internet her life is only going to continue on its current downard spiral...
Really, do her a favor. Don't encourage her to keep doing what's she's doing here.
If you did know her like I do you'd not only be agreeing with me, you'd be PM-ing her yourself and begging her to shitcan her 'puter following the completion of reading your PM.Terry in Crapchester wrote:Van, I can't possibly claim to know Annie as well as you apparently do, but having said that, I respectfully disagree.Van wrote:Terry, in all seriousness if you really wish for her well being you'll root for the day when she throws away her computer and never wastes another moment on the internet, growing ever more insulated and paranoid.
There's where you're enormously wrong. No, she isn't even remotely happy with how she's managed to support herself with her job. She lives at the poverty level, to the point where she's still relegated to owning only a bicycle. She'd like a car, or a motorized scooter. Something. Of course she would. She just can't afford one, and she can't afford to fix her former beater car, and her credit is too fucked up to allow for a loan for a new car. She sweats the money for an inner tube for her bicycle's flat tire and she lives (last I heard, anyway) with a guy she doesn't respect, and it's as much down to financial need as anything.I don't know too much about Annie's personal life offline. I do know, however, that she manages to hold a job and to support herself on a level which is at least acceptable to her.
"I don't have a drug problem! How can I have a drug problem when I'm still rich enough to afford all this coke?"I have no doubt that there are plenty of internet addicts walking around, and many of them can't do the above.
Huh? She moved to New Mexico to be with her then boyfriend.It's also worth noting that she managed to do this while moving to a city where she did not know a soul, with little more than the clothes on her back, and without the benefit of significant formal education.
If in fact it did ever end (I don't know), yes, it would've been a positive move forward for her. However, if she replaced that guy with nothing but more internet time then at best she traded one personal weakness for a larger helping of another.I also know enough about her to know that she has enough of an offline life that at one time she had a live-in boyfriend. Yes, I'm aware that relationship subsequently ended, but as I recall, at the time you trumpeted that as a positive development in her life.
All true, but at this point who's the main lightning rod causing most of those idiotic posts?As for her fronting, consider the following:
As velocet pointed out not long ago, the racial tone of this board has changed from the initial racial tone of the Rome message board. There was a time when someone like plznojiggs would be banned because of his nic, or when people would berate Pickle for posting a picture of Dame which obviously did not do her justice in an attempt to berate her. By contrast, mvscal and others of his ilk have now won out, and n-bombs are legitimately in play in here.
Problem is, she carries a self loathing racial banner that wasn't championed by any of those others you mentioned. Like I said earlier, someone like Invictus, Index or especially Dame would want to smack Annie square in the mouth for those comments of hers I noted in this thread.At the same time, there once was a rather significant contingent of African-American posters on these boards. In addition to Annie, there was, just off the top of my head, Index, Invictus, Lawman, Dame, DMA, and Chris Tucker. For whatever reason (and I'll leave it to others to speculate whether this has more to do with the change in racial tones on these boards or the hazards of board migration), all of the others are now gone. Annie, alone, remains. And under these circumstances, we all know that it's very much a part of Annie's nature to carry the banner.
And what I hate is that she's the main proponent/practitioner of it. No, she's not upfront and trolling with it like Mvscal or Pickle. She's far more sincere with it, and it's far more damning.As I've said before, Annie doesn't hate you, me, or any other poster here. What she hates is the fact that racism is, sadly, still alive and well in the U.S. in 2006.
Granted. Then again, she's now reduced to primarily being a mockery of herself. She's become a constant punchline, an iconic character in an SNL skit.This is the forum she has chosen, for whatever reason, to vent (and in this regard, and along these lines, if calling me names is what's keeping mvscal from climbing the nearest bell tower with an Uzi and picking off little children below, glad to be of service). There's also the point to consider that you made about IndyClown recently: that his only contribution to these boards has been to hit, and later be taken by, NoCal, and to post it all in these parts. Love or hate Annie, one has to admit that her contributions to these boards have been far more substantial than that.
Hardly.She wants you to get out of your comfort zone, and take a good hard look at the way things are, and how she and other members of her racial group are affected by those things.
You really don't know her, do you?And if she has to piss you off to accomplish that, she considers it a small price to pay.
So did Josef Mengele. Just like Mengele, she mostly pisses people off when they think about what she had to say. Moreover, the main problem with Annie is that for all her seeming curiosity exemplified in all her incessant badgering she's really not curious about much of anything. Regardless, she always has her mind made up and nothing's going to change it, before she even starts in with her questions.At a minimum, I submit that Annie has made most people of good conscience on this board think from time to time.
Admittedly, again, yep, she's made herself a very obvious and effective lightning rod.Without naming names, that's more than you can say about a number of posters here.
It's far more than mutual. She absolutely worships you.On a personal level, I feel grateful to have gotten to know Annie, if only on the limited level that the Internet provides, and I would hope that feeling is mutual.
It's fine for you, and at least on her end you demonstrate to her that there are decent white people out there; white people without the Hidden Agenda.I am aware that it is extremely unlikely that ever would have happened but for the Internet, so I would hope that at a minimum, something good has come from the time Annie spends here.
Never would've pegged you for a sadist.I enjoy seeing Annie around here.
you emphasize it, because you think the opposite after all?Van wrote: She's not a whore though, don't get me wrong there. She's not selling herself to this guy. She's just in full on malaise mode, so she stays put in her dreary circumstances.
She and I have exchanged PM's a few times, and she's never complained to me about her lot in life. That's not rock-solid proof that she's happy where she is, but given the complaints others have made about her being a drama queen, attention whore, etc., you'd think it would have come up somewhere along the way. After all, that's gotta be far more "real", at least from her perspective, than is the fact that there are two missing boys in Milwaukee whom she doesn't know.Van wrote:There's where you're enormously wrong. No, she isn't even remotely happy with how she's managed to support herself with her job. She lives at the poverty level, to the point where she's still relegated to owning only a bicycle. She'd like a car, or a motorized scooter. Something. Of course she would. She just can't afford one, and she can't afford to fix her former beater car, and her credit is too fucked up to allow for a loan for a new car. She sweats the money for an inner tube for her bicycle's flat tire and she lives (last I heard, anyway) with a guy she doesn't respect, and it's as much down to financial need as anything.Terry in Crapchester wrote:I don't know too much about Annie's personal life offline. I do know, however, that she manages to hold a job and to support herself on a level which is at least acceptable to her.
Anyone who has a job has a life offline. Not much of one, perhaps, but a life nonetheless. My job consumes far too much of my life, not sure if it's the same for her, but those are the times in which we live -- the first generation in American history to work longer hours than our parents did. But that's a topic for another thread.Beyond that, you're assuming she even has a life offline. Again, there you'd be very wrong. She's pretty much either at work (at a mind numbing job she pretty much hates) or she's in her cave at home, online. I don't know if she's still going to the gym or not or if she's still trying to find new fuck buddies online with those adult dating services she started using but aside from those two things she had no other offline pursuits.
Touche."I don't have a drug problem! How can I have a drug problem when I'm still rich enough to afford all this coke?"I have no doubt that there are plenty of internet addicts walking around, and many of them can't do the above.
-Sam Kinison
Again, dunno the particulars, but Annie has never complained to me about her lot in life. Given what you've said, as well as her reputation in these parts, that's a bit perplexing. Perhaps someone here is reading her wrong, and unfairly.Most of those people of whom you speak wouldn't accept the poverty lifestyle that Annie lives, is the difference.
True, forgot about that. But that was an online hookup, wasn't it? If so, how well did she really know him? And she obviously didn't know anyone else there.Huh? She moved to New Mexico to be with her then boyfriend.It's also worth noting that she managed to do this while moving to a city where she did not know a soul, with little more than the clothes on her back, and without the benefit of significant formal education.
It did end, at least if I'm to take what she has told me at face value. Dunno about the rest.If in fact it did ever end (I don't know), yes, it would've been a positive move forward for her. However, if she replaced that guy with nothing but more internet time then at best she traded one personal weakness for a larger helping of another.I also know enough about her to know that she has enough of an offline life that at one time she had a live-in boyfriend. Yes, I'm aware that relationship subsequently ended, but as I recall, at the time you trumpeted that as a positive development in her life.
I'll agree that Annie is not entirely blameless in this regard, but I think you move the arrow too far in the opposite direction if you assume that all of this crap will go away if she leaves.All true, but at this point who's the main lightning rod causing most of those idiotic posts?As for her fronting, consider the following:
As velocet pointed out not long ago, the racial tone of this board has changed from the initial racial tone of the Rome message board. There was a time when someone like plznojiggs would be banned because of his nic, or when people would berate Pickle for posting a picture of Dame which obviously did not do her justice in an attempt to berate her. By contrast, mvscal and others of his ilk have now won out, and n-bombs are legitimately in play in here.
Annie, that's who. It's her never ceasing racial obsessions and her never ending racial boogeyman act that spurs most of those people into action.
Take her outta here and the vast majority of that crap leaves with her, and good riddance. Annie is definitely not without blame there.
Disagree. I don't think Annie is a racist. She's reached out to you, and she's reached out to me. Could she do that if she were a racist? You also say, below, that she adores not only me, but also Bace, Mvscal and Moorese. Could she do that if she were a racist?And what I hate is that she's the main proponent/practitioner of it. No, she's not upfront and trolling with it like Mvscal or Pickle. She's far more sincere with it, and it's far more damning.As I've said before, Annie doesn't hate you, me, or any other poster here. What she hates is the fact that racism is, sadly, still alive and well in the U.S. in 2006.
Hardly.She wants you to get out of your comfort zone, and take a good hard look at the way things are, and how she and other members of her racial group are affected by those things.
She wants us to allow for her failings, and those of others like her. She doesn't dare step out of her own comfort zone, ever. She just keeps trundling along, excuses falling out of her pockets like bacon grease from Ned Beatty.
Her probing questions to others?
Diversions. Strictly diversions. They're her way of moving the issue away from herself, or from a discussion that isn't going well for her. They're her means of misdirection. When she doesn't like the direction in which a topic is headed she starts asking non sequitous questions in order to change the subject.
I suspect there was a time when you would have disagreed with your statements here.You really don't know her, do you?And if she has to piss you off to accomplish that, she considers it a small price to pay.
"A small price to pay"? Annie literally orgams when she's rebuked. Her goal is to be admonished.
Think about that comparison for a moment.So did Josef Mengele. Just like Mengele, she mostly pisses people off when they think about what she had to say.At a minimum, I submit that Annie has made most people of good conscience on this board think from time to time.
I honestly didn't know that she absolutely worships me, if in fact that's true.It's far more than mutual. She absolutely worships you.On a personal level, I feel grateful to have gotten to know Annie, if only on the limited level that the Internet provides, and I would hope that feeling is mutual.
Problem is, she also worships Mvscal, Moorese, Bace and any and all other people here who are much smarter than her. She doesn't discriminate in that way. If you can slaughter her, she falls for you.
You just get the last piece of cake because you're also a great person, a decent person, a kind person, a classy guy and you love giant breasted black women.
You're her Unattainable Ideal. You're just the monolith on the mountain she admires from afar.
Not that at all, just that it's nice to be appreciated once in awhile.Never would've pegged you for a sadist.I enjoy seeing Annie around here.
tough love wrote:Yes, and it seemed pretty clear at the time that the respect was not a mutual one.Sis Wrote:
You mean when you said you didn't see why I was all ga-ga and stars in the eyes over Van in the first place?
NOW, a freakin 2x4 to the head couldn't be any clearer.
Van appears to be a half decent guy who is just not interested in your mb friendship
I say you say, F-it, and don't let the bastards get you down.
Btw...A patch kit for your bike tube shouldn't cost much.
Bike tires can be removed with a couple of flat screw drivers, or whatever that comes close to resembling such.
A little bit of muscle and you'll be good to go again.
The best of luck in all your endeavors.