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Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:29 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:Until the DNA evidence comes back, there's no point in suggesting guilt or innocence. Annie, you've lost your mind!

The woman was an exotic dancer (stripper) and worked for an escort service (hooker). She was subjected to racial slurs (or so we're told by said stripper/hooker). She had sex (somewhere with unknown persons), she got pissed about the name-calling and cried rape (maybe).

If this POS causes race riots, etc., she should fry.

Why assume the lacrosse players are telling the truth,
and she's the liar...

because they're wealthy white jocks,
and she's this embarassment to the black race ( :roll: )
because of how she legally puts food in her kids mouths
and puts herself through school.

whatever, Sam dude

if she's a liar, I'll be the loudest in condemning her.

but i don't think she is.

Desiree Washington is a liar.

I don't think this woman is.

If the tests come back and prove her story, what then?
should it be suppressed anyway to keep a race riot ( :roll: )
from occurring?

it's not like the lone brother who was there helped her
out, anyway.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:01 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:But this whole thing looks mighty shaky and I'd hate for people to be injured and businesses burned and looted just because the girl got called a name.

why would 'people' burn and loot?

and I can't believe that this has come down to a 'girl'
being 'called a name.'

I don't even know where to begin with that. If all this was
was a case of her getting vengeance for being called 'a name'
(and what is that name?).... what the fuck were they doing
yelling that at her in the first place?

why do you worry more for a couple buildings than for what
happened to her?

I can't even put into words how much that line of yours sickens
me and angers me and makes me ball my fingers into a fist...
but i haven't decided if just to dig my nails into my palm or to
stop from screaming. it's like being presented with a 4th
dimensional room in a 3 dimensional house. something is wrong,
even when you can't verbalize exactly why it's wrong.

but look:

cities didn't come down because Mike Tyson was railroaded.
cities didn't come down because Kobe Bryant was falsely accused.
cities aren't gonna come down because a black woman was
raped.

the only reason why LA happened is because there was videotape,
there was recent history, no one believes a black, and cops are oppressive authority figures.

and other races thought they'd get in on it by being opportunists in a time of anger. blacks fucked up, by saying 'fuck it we're doomed anyway' and by saying 'let's do like Detroit'. but the 'fuck it we're doomed anyway' was there before 'let's do like Detroit'.

what was everybody else's excuse?

there haven't been a recent rash of black women bringing high profile
rape charges and not being believed in spite of telling the truth. then
again, the only way a black woman and her story can make the news is if
she does something that makes her worthy for one of YTinHtown's bi-
weekly/as-needed 'look what the Katrina survivors have done now'
thread... or the infamous 'baby locked in a parked car at the height of
summer' threads (how many of those did you jerk off to, tentallben?)
y'all knocked about before t1b.

am I right?

if anyone wants to immediately get physical over what would happen
when the tests come back proving her story, well........... they're being
a moron.

and, again, if she's lying her ass off and impossibly pulling a Tawana Brawley/Al Sharpton, then I'll damn her loudly and frequently myself.

but I believe she's telling the truth. The results of that truth are going to be a little deeper and last a little longer than just some hooligans being
opportunists and using the opportunity to raise a ruckus and destroy things.

And R-Jack, stripping is legal.
What consenting adults do on
their own time is also legal.

Rape is not legal.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:10 pm**

Risa wrote: What consenting adults do on
their own time is also legal.

Not necessarily.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:10 pm**

Whether or not they raped her, I'm sure whatever these trust fund babies did to her was pretty fucked up:

On Wednesday, authorities unsealed documents stating that less than two hours after the alleged rape, McFadyen sent an e-mail saying he was planning an encore to "tonights [sic] show." The message, addressed "To whom it may concern," said, "however there will be no nudity."

"I plan on killing the bitches as soon as the[y] walk in and proceeding to cut their skin off," wrote McFadyen, a 6-foot-6, 225-pound Atlantic Coast Conference honor roll player who was one of five Duke players from the exclusive Delbarton School in Morristown, N.J., adding in vulgar terms that he would find the act sexually satisfying. The e-mail was signed with McFadyen's jersey number, 41.

McFadyen's name, however, does not match the three names the woman gave to police as her attackers.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:11 pm**

Risa wrote:And R-Jack, stripping is legal.
What consenting adults do on
their own time is also legal.

Actually, last time I checked, no...prositution is illegal.

Not sure why you're having such a hard time with that.

Maybe it's your fear of real life and the outside world that has you wallowing in ignorance, I dunno.

But, I'll confirm what.....say,....every single guy in this thread with any sort of experience in this matter has said -- those "strippers" you call up in the yellow pages?

That's code for "prostitute," Risa. And according to a recent study (a local one, but I'm guessing it's about the same everywhere), that nearly 100% of escorts/outcall strippers/etc offer sex for money. Really close to 100%.

I'm not sure how the fact that YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT is supposed to have a bearing on this case.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:23 pm**

UCant#2 wrote:Whether or not they raped her, I'm sure whatever these trust fund babies did to her was pretty fucked up:

On Wednesday, authorities unsealed documents stating that less than two hours after the alleged rape, McFadyen sent an e-mail saying he was planning an encore to "tonights [sic] show." The message, addressed "To whom it may concern," said, "however there will be no nudity."

"I plan on killing the bitches as soon as the[y] walk in and proceeding to cut their skin off," wrote McFadyen, a 6-foot-6, 225-pound Atlantic Coast Conference honor roll player who was one of five Duke players from the exclusive Delbarton School in Morristown, N.J., adding in vulgar terms that he would find the act sexually satisfying. The e-mail was signed with McFadyen's jersey number, 41.

McFadyen's name, however, does not match the three names the woman gave to police as her attackers.

if all they were going by was the names, they wouldn't have tested every player on the team except the black dude. she gave the information she could. she'd just met those dudes. so that last line is negligible.

What the fuck is wrong with McFadyen? What a loser.

Does anyone have a photo of these assholes? I wanna see these bitches.

I want a BBQ. I want them to go to jail for a very, very, very long time.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:26 pm**

Dinsdale wrote: I'm not sure how the fact that YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT is supposed to have a bearing on this case.

She's there to strip.

They hurt her.

No excuses. Not even 'she deserved it because she's a prostitute'.

Fry them.

And to hell with every one of you who doesn't give a damn because of her profession of choice. Or other reasons between the lines.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:30 pm**

Risa wrote:
Dinsdale wrote: I'm not sure how the fact that YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT is supposed to have a bearing on this case.
She's there to strip.

They hurt her.

No excuses. Not even 'she deserved it because she's a prostitute'.

Fry them.

And to hell with every one of you who doesn't give a damn because of her profession of choice. Or other reasons between the lines.

Annie, with all the inhumanity in this world, it truly boggles my mind that you are spending all this time on this one issue. If these guys did indeed rape the two hookers, then they should do some hole time. But don't expect a board full of men, most of whom have been to a private strip show at one time or another, to feel a whole lot of pity for a hooker who cries rape. Even if it is true.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:32 pm**

Risa wrote:What the fuck is wrong with McFadyen?

He's definitely in need of some psychiatric counseling. A few years in the state pen getting his arse ripped open by Dexter St. Jock on a daily basis may prove helpful as well.

On a lighter note, this may hurt the Cameron Crazies more than anyone involved in this whole mess. Imagine being ridiculed as an opposing player by these silver spooned dorks... your response during the next time-out?? Hold up a picture of their 06 Lacrosse team. Instant BODE.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:51 pm**

BSmack wrote:it truly boggles my mind that you are spending all this time on this one issue.

it's a message board.

If these guys did indeed rape the two hookers, then they should do some hole time. But don't expect a board full of men, most of whom have been to a private strip show at one time or another, to feel a whole lot of pity for a hooker who cries rape. Even if it is true.

Why not? down to brass tacks, why not?

UCan't there's not enough psychiatric counseling for a diseased piece of filth like that. He doesn't think he did anything wrong. Even cut out the sexual aspect: he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. You know, like pedophiles, they don't think they're doing anything wrong either.

If pedophiles can't be cured, how can dudes like McFayden (and do you have the link)?

Sam....

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:41 pm**

Risa wrote:
Dinsdale wrote: I'm not sure how the fact that YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT is supposed to have a bearing on this case.
She's there to strip.

May the circle be unbroken....

OK, this is getting tedious.

I'll give it one last chance -- what part of "you have no fucking clue what you're talking about" did you not catch?

Was it the "you?"

Was it the "clue?"

Was it the "fucking?"

No, you ignorant tool -- she WASN'T there to strip. She was there to have sex for money.

And if a chick has sex for a living, how exactly are you going to sort through the DNA cesspool that is her cooze?

Prosecutor: Honorable men and women of the jury ... you are about to hear evidence that the men before you raped this woman, and The People will prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was indeed these men who are guilty of the crime, and not the 14 guys who pitched a load in her earlier that morning."

Yeah, THAT'LL play well in court.

I'm not defending the lacrosse players either -- is there a bigger demographic of silver-spooning elitist dorks on the planet?

If they CAN be proven guilty, I'm all about frying the bastard. But, there's that pesky "if" word again.

But, let's look at the bottom line -- a chick went to a house full of horny dudes to have sex with the lot of them for compensation. Things (allegedly) went bad for her. These allegations of sexual assault are going to be proven...how?

Whether it's right or wrong, whether it's moral or not, and whether it's stomach-turning for most folks...at the end of the day, if you're a career criminal, be it a drug dealer, theif, or prostitute, there are certain occupational hazards. Drug dealers get gunned down over $3000. Theives get shot breaking into houses. Hookers get raped and slashed up. Sure, it's part of the ugliness of society, but it's also reality. Just the way it is, was, and will be. Not too many people shedding tears for the crack dealer who got mowed down for $50 while slinging rock out there. Not too much sympathy for any burglars who get capped climbing through somebody's window. And there won't be much sympathy for a hooker who gets raped.

Welcome to life.

I realize that your world revolves around all white people being evil, and all black people being innocent saints, but that ain't reality. And in this case, something that will be nearly impossible to prove (depending upon what physical evidence comes to light) isn't going to go the way you want it to.

And let's keep it real, yo -- if this was about a group of black men raping a white hooker, don't EVEN try and tell us you wouldn't be calling her a "lying white bitch." Don't even try and sell that here -- your track record speaks for itself.

As far as the e-mail goes....pretty disturbing. BUT, on the other side of the coin, if you took some of my, or many other people on this board here's posts out of context, it would be a one-way ticket to the funny farm.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:55 pm**

Too bad she didn’t just go down to city hall and get a permit.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:00 pm**

^^
I'm just here to RACK the latest U & L Dinsonian Institute blast.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:06 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:Too bad she didn’t just go down to city hall and get a permit.

Excellent.

And I've been thinking...even if there is overwhelming physical evidence to support her story, the young men STILL shouldn't be charged with rape or sexual assault of a hooker. To me, that's an oxymoron.

Charge the bastards with shoplifting.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:17 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:Somebody 'splain me this:

Why would a buncha financially well-off Blue Devil athletes have to hire a skanky, bottom-of-the-barrel hooker anyway?

Not my idea of a party, but...

Check out McFayden's email.

Just sayin'. Dude has some serious hate issues going on. Maybe that explains it.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:25 pm**

Yo Risa,

Since you're the expert on who needs counseling and all, how bout some couch time for a mother who shows her peaches for a living. Can't be playing with a full deck there. Why not punch a clock for a living like the majority of society. No she opted for the quick buck. But this route is littered with certain pitfalls, one of which is unsavvory sexual antics. Risk/reward girlfriend. No sympathy. She put herself in a position to be treated like the whore that she was and the "N" word sets her off?! Give me a fucking break. You can pile drive multiple cocks into any and all orifices, but I will not be disrespected!! Good luck with that one.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:28 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:Sick dude. He needs to go down whether any rape happened or not.

I don't know who I care less about... skanky ass-hookers or a bunch of rich boys at 40K/year school. Fuck em all and fucking no regrets, right? Here's the thing though... and not to play the contrarian card to my own fucking post: If dude didn't commit a crime, then he doesn't "need to go down", regardless of how sick he comes off with that ridiculous email. Last time I checked, composing some drunk off your ass twisted fantasy email at 1:58 a.m. doesn't constitute a crime.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:30 pm**

kinda like law enforcement using script from a smack-battle here as evidence of a crime.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:32 pm**

Bizzarofelice wrote:kinda like law enforcement using script from a smack-battle here as evidence of a crime.

Yeah, I kinda said that, but much more eloquently.

But yes....heaven forbid somebody here were to be charged with Assault With Topsoil in the First Degree.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:32 pm**

Whether you want to admit it or not, Annie, Dins just punched you right in the fucking mouth.

Good luck picking up your teeth.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:41 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:And I've been thinking...even if there is overwhelming physical evidence to support her story, the young men STILL shouldn't be charged with rape or sexual assault of a hooker. To me, that's an oxymoron.

Charge the bastards with shoplifting.

I see you working here, but technically, you'd be wrong from a legal standpoint. It is possible to rape a prostitute. The gravaman to rape is consent -- with consent, of course, there is no rape. And of course, in rape, unlike in most other crimes, the burden is on the prosecution to prove lack of consent, whereas in most other crimes where consent is an issue, the burden is on the defense to prove consent.

Can a prostitute withhold consent? Of course, but the other side of the story is that it may be difficult for a prosecutor to prove that's what happened, given her lifestyle.

By contrast, at common law a man was legally incapable of raping his wife, although that's now been changed by statute.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:30 pm**

They have penises. White penises.

guilty. court adjourned.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:42 am**

There are a few obvious aspects of this case that have overlooked by the pedestrian eye of the police.

First is that I have never heard of a stripper that wasn't willing to give a room full of guys knobjobs for a fistfull of nickels....

Secondly the alleged defendants are fucking lacrosse players!!! This bit of genuine evidence alone makes them gay as Liberace with a mouthfull of dripping porksword...

Case Closed

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:30 am**

Rape is an act of violence, stripper or not. Those of you that think different should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:51 pm**

^^Sure. For a few extra bucks.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:14 pm**

R-Jack wrote: I do believe that you can rape a hooker though.

Gee ya think?

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:04 pm**

R-Jack wrote:I do believe that you can rape a hooker though.

Sure. You could also go to the liquor store and shoplift a bottle of Thunderbird.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:44 pm**

So does it matter that the hooker/stripper has a prior history? Like one that involves giving a dude a lap dance in his car, stealing said car, engaging police on a high speed chase and then trying to run over a cop, over and over?

Will all this get thrown out because of this prior history?

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:50 pm**

Secondly the alleged defendants are fucking lacrosse players!!! This bit of genuine evidence alone makes them gay as Liberace with a mouthfull of dripping porksword...

Are you nuts? Have you ever seen a lacrosse game? Those fukkers beat the hell out of each other. Call it land hockey.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:56 pm**

Uncle Fester wrote:Those fukkers beat the hell out of each other.

Yeah -- with glorified purses attached to sticks.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:30 pm**

Jim Brown was first team All-American in lacrosse at Syracuse. Some say he was better at lacrosse than football. I would not want Jim Brown beating me with a purse. Any purse.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:38 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:Those fukkers beat the hell out of each other.
Yeah -- with glorified purses attached to sticks.

The few lacrosse games I've seen have been a bunch of Sean Hayes look-a-likes running around swinging purses at each other with one or two badasses on each team. Yeah, the tough guys are there, but they're definitely the exception and not the rule.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:34 pm**

bwahahahahahaha!!!

http://www.jodysgarage.com/dook2.htm

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:29 pm**

Lawyer: Woman Came to Duke Party Injured
By SAMUEL SPIES

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) - Time-stamped photographs will show an exotic dancer was already injured and ``very impaired'' when she arrived at a party where she claims she was raped by members of Duke University's men's lacrosse team, an attorney for one of the players said Sunday.

Durham attorney Bill Thomas said some of the photographs, taken when she arrived at the house, indicate the woman was injured before getting to the party March 13. They show extensive bruises and scrapes on her legs, especially around the knees, he said.

``This young lady was substantially impaired. She had fallen several times during the course of the evening,'' Thomas said.

He declined to identify the player he represents and said he would not release the photos, taken by at least two cameras, until pending DNA tests are completed.

He also wouldn't say whether the photos were taken by a lacrosse team member or someone else; court documents have indicated that only team members were present at the party.

No one has been charged in the case, but the allegations that members of the nearly all-white team raped the woman, a black student at a nearby university, have rocked both Duke and Durham.

The allegations have led to the resignation of coach Mike Pressler, the cancellation of the lacrosse season and the suspension of one player from school.

Several dozen people gathered Sunday outside the house where the party took place, and pledged to return each Sunday until the case is resolved.

``Whether I want to believe it, or whether you want to believe it, something took place in there,'' said Johnny Williamson, 36, of Durham. ``Something indecent took place.''

District Attorney Mike Nifong, who was expected to return this week from an out-of-town conference and has not commented on the case in the past several days, has said previously he is confident a rape occurred. Court documents said a medical exam of the alleged victim found injuries consistent with sexual assault.

The victim has not returned repeated messages seeking comment, but her father said Sunday she hasn't changed her story.

``I expect them to say that,'' he said of the lawyers' contentions his daughter is lying.

The woman and the other dancer arrived separately, Thomas said, and performed briefly before leaving. The victim told police she and the other dancer left because they feared for their safety, but were later convinced to come back inside.

Thomas said the photos contradict the alleged victim's assertion she was scared, as they show her standing at the door of the off-campus house with ``a major grin on her face'' as she tried to get back inside.

``People inside the house have stated she was banging on the door, attempting to regain entry,'' Thomas said.

The woman told police she was pulled into a bathroom and assaulted after coming back into the house. But Thomas said the woman locked herself in the bathroom, where police later found her purse, cell phone, and several artificial fingernails she claimed to have lost during a struggle with her attackers.

Thomas said one of the attorneys representing team members had interviewed the other dancer extensively, and she said the alleged victim never told her about a rape.

``All of these statements you've heard ... about this brutal assault, rape, kidnapping and robbery which occurred, I believe that the public will soon be able to learn the truth, and that these allegations are totally false and without merit,'' Thomas said.

Both the team's captains and attorneys for team members have said the DNA tests, which may be completed this week, will prove the allegation are false. The players' attorneys also have raised other questions about the allegations, saying e-mails written in the hours after the alleged attack will help prove the players' claims that nothing happened that night.

Attorneys also have raised suspicions about a 911 call, made shortly after the alleged attack would have occurred, from a black woman who claimed someone at the party shouted racial slurs at her and a friend. The caller alternatively told police the pair were driving and walking past the house. Thomas said Sunday he and other attorneys believe the second dancer at the party made the call.

``These young men have been absolutely vilified in the press,'' Thomas said. ``I think this week we will go a long ways toward clearing these young men's names. I can assure you that this has been a nightmare for each and every one of them.''

AP National Writer Allen G. Breed contributed to this report.

Well now, what do we have here?

Your thoughts, Risa...you racist fucking pig?

I'm guessing this will inspire you into one of your self-imposed exiles from this site, since the available evidence seems to be pointing towards a whore seeing stars in her eyes, and setting her sights on some rich-boys money (not that it doesn't sound like it couldn't have happened to nicer guys).

I think the evidence in this case will show what racist fucking scum you are.

BODE -- everyone on the planet, except the hooker and you.

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:47 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:. . . the available evidence seems to be pointing towards a whore seeing stars in her eyes, and setting her sights on some rich-boys money (not that it doesn't sound like it couldn't have happened to nicer guys).

Never thought I'd say this, Dins, but -- if you believe that (the latter part, that is), you are naive.

Yeah, these are rich kids, or at least, mostly rich kids, but it seems patently obvious to me that they don't control the money -- their parents do. And since they have, at least I would assume by virtue of the fact that they're in college, reached the age of majority, their parents aren't on the hook for them any longer, in terms of litigation.

I'm not saying that this woman wasn't looking for the lottery, but more likely than not she was looking to Duke University, rather than to the members of the lacrosse team, in that regard.

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:11 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:Well now, what do we have here?

An attorney.

Your thoughts, Risa...you racist fucking pig?

They did it.

BODE -- everyone on the planet, except the hooker and you.

We'll see. Liverless bitch.

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:11 pm**

mvscal wrote:DNA evidence came back negative. Another Tawana Brawley moment brought to you courtesy of the 'Big Race Pimping' industry.

Link.

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:20 pm**

Risa wrote: We'll see. Liverless bitch.

I'll take "liverless" over "spineless" any day...twice on Sunday.

So, now that witnesses are stepping forward, and the facts are coming in, all of which point to the prostitute being a liar (she ponded on the door to get in to the scene of a rape, after she was asked to leave? Ohhhhhkay), how big of a fucking pig are you that you are still renedering your verdict based upon the race of the people involved.

You truly sicken me. You and your foul fucking ilk are the biggest hurdle to race relations not being an issue in this country's future.

It's too bad a few bad apples on either side are spoiling the bunch that make up the majority, who are folks who don't live their lives by the color of people's skin.

I sincerely pity you. There's a wonderful world out there, as well as an ugly one. You choose to only seek out the latter. What a sad waste of a human life.

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:25 pm**

Risa wrote:Link.

Cnn.com wrote:DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- There is no DNA match between members of Duke University's men's lacrosse team and an exotic dancer who told police she was raped at a team party, attorneys for the team said Monday.

Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.

No charged have been filed in the case.

How many more lies is the whore going to get caught in before you give up her "cause."*

* -- It isn't HER cause you're taking up for, anyway. Your only "cause" is your nasty fucking agenda of demonizing white men as the root of all evil. Fucking pig.

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:30 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:So, now that witnesses are stepping forward, and the facts are coming in, all of which point to the prostitute being a liar (she ponded on the door to get in to the scene of a rape, after she was asked to leave? Ohhhhhkay), how big of a fucking pig are you that you are still renedering your verdict based upon the race of the people involved.

You truly sicken me. You and your foul fucking ilk are the biggest hurdle to race relations not being an issue in this country's future.

It's too bad a few bad apples on either side are spoiling the bunch that make up the majority, who are folks who don't live their lives by the color of people's skin.

I sincerely pity you. There's a wonderful world out there, as well as an ugly one. You choose to only seek out the latter. What a sad waste of a human life.

RACK

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