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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:06 pm
by buckeye_in_sc
Ok Sunday I played in 5 Sit n Go's (all of them the 10+1 Variety on Full Tilt)...the kids were away, the wife was out all day...Bode Me to be able to concentrate and play...

so I was on a roll...took down a 9 person ($45 for 1st), 2nd in a 6 person ($19), another 1st in a 6 person ($39), 4th in one and 3rd in another 9 person ($18)...not bad cleared $66 after buy ins...not bad for just playing smaller stakes...then this morning before work...playing $.10/$.25 NLH...following my mantra and Moby's advice...played straight forward (except like 3 or 4 hands to throw them off( sup poker peeps)...and hit three monster hands...got KK and raised preflop...got two callers...flop comes 8/9/Q...I bet at it...one caller, other folds...turn another Q...I make another bet...dude calls...I am like uh oh...river brick...i make a SMALL bet on the river...dude just calls and insta mucks...then I get dealt A/6 in the BB...no raises...so I check...flop comes...4/5/8...gut shot...normally I hate the gutter...but guy who was left with me was making small $.25 bets on the flop, then on the turn...river 7...Bingo...he makes a $1.50 bet...I call...I win another one...best hand...AA...guy raises I re-raise...flop comes Q/8/rag...i bet to see where he is...he re-raises...so I think for a second...does he have Queens...I go all-in...he calls and shows KK...the aces held up...

again this was all 98% straight forward play...now I know this can't happen all the time...but it is nice when you play the premium hands and get maximum benefit out of them...that is the reason for my post...but (props to the poker peeps) for extolling virtues of straight ahead play as well as mixing in a bluff or two (provided it doesn't cost you too much) as I feel i have gotten stuck in too much of the TAG rut...




one of the best odds deals as well is Poker stove...go to http://www.pokerstove.com you can run all kinds of simulations and what not...

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:57 pm
by Dinsdale
buckeye_in_sc wrote:I feel i have gotten stuck in too much of the TAG rut.

I palyed a game last night with a group I'd never played with(real game, not online). Didn't know their story, so I figured TAG/straight-up it was.

Biggest bunch of bluff-assed pushers I've ever seen. Playing the premium hands seemed like a good idea...except I didn't get any. Actually, I hit K K twice, and tripled up both times. Got my clock cleaned with big slick.

I probably could have made money with side bets by naming which cards wouldn't flop -- the ones in my hand.

Sheesh.

So I took out my anger on the rubes in PP freerolls. Screw TAG in those games. I make the rules. I enforce those rules. And I go down in a blaze of glory when somebody decides they don't like my rules. Or, I get a big ol' fat stack, and then TAG my way into the bubble.


Screw a bunch of pushers. Then, it turns out the guy taking my money is one of the top local players. Fucker. I believe this is a regular sunday night gig. I WILL get over on these guys. I have since learned that these guys swing for the homerun, because rebuys are allowed. I will keep this in mind next time. Much easier to compete when you know the rules.

I WILL get over.

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:19 pm
by buckeye_in_sc
dude...that sucks...but we have faith in DINS...

i heard in one of the WSOP NLH events with rebuys...Negraneau rebought a bunch of times and was stuck at a juicy table for a while...then proceeded to take most of the chips he donated...

i made 3 big mistakes in the one I finished 4th and the two I finished 3rd and 2nd...just misplayed one hand in each that I didn't score with or cost me a good amount of chips and allowed someone to stay in the game...

let us know how it goes Dins...get over on the bastahds (i am not a chowd but hey)...

next time...push with 2/7 off so they know you are a complete dipshit then rebuy once and proceed to bust the crap out of them...

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:44 pm
by Dinsdale
buckeye_in_sc wrote:next time...push with 2/7 off so they know you are a complete dipshit then rebuy once and proceed to bust the crap out of them...

Biggest pot I saw all night, the 7 2 I folded was the winning hand. These guys defied all poker psychology. Buncha super-hardcores, who when the buy in was $15, they pull out all of the stops. The two guys I knew are very good players, and I wondered why they went down so early -- they knew what was up....they call it "home run poker." They guy who had most of the chips when I left busted out the line "I won $1500 last night at the table -- I'm behind, and I just don't give a shit...I call your all-in." And of course rivered it up. Bastards.

I WILL get over. I'll just remember to wear my bluffing shoes next time. Any game where the 3 guys who played every single hand had all of the chips is whack. Started with 10,000 chips, 25/50 blinds, and these guys are raising 2000 preflop...on the first hand.

I will be better prepeared to deal with this strange style next time. I'll plan on either cashing, or going home really early. "Hanging around, waiting for the nuts" clearly isn't going to work with this crowd.

Totally unorthodox styles make it interesting, though...for sure. These guys are all very good players, from what I understand -- thy just keep the stakes low intentionally, to make for a "something different" sunday nighter. The dude with all of the chips(the guy who had won $1500 in a card room the night before) is one hell of a player. Extremely aggressive, and once he was big stack, it was hard to hang with. My friend who invited me (also a very good player) mentioned "if I knew Joe and Bob were coming, I probably would have stayed home. The home-run/rebuy kings at work."

Strange seeing a "real" game...humans sitting at a table...played just like a PP freeroll. Very strange. Easpecially when all of the involved parties know better, but don't care. These guys definitely raise the bar on "loose play." Not used to that...wasn't prepared, and by the time I had it figured out, they had most of my chips...to the point tripling up a couple of times didn't mean much.


Bastards.


Did I mention they also might have broken a world record for "most marijuana consumed by 7 people in 2 hours?" Must have been a pound of chronic sitting on the table the whole time...so I guess I'll see them next sunday.

Bastards.

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:51 pm
by buckeye_in_sc
^^^^^^^^^

was it tourney style? or cash?

hell you might as well bluff for $15 re-buys...what happens when you get over for like 6 weeks straight?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:18 pm
by Dinsdale
Tourney.

If I remember right, it was $10 buy in, with 5000 chip rebuys for $5.

After the second break, you could add-on 5000 for $5, or $10 if you'd already rebought. I didn't realize that the rebuy was an integral part of their strategy...always thought of that as a "last resort" sort of thing...hell no. These guys swing for the fence with the first buy in, and then do it again with the rebuy...very strange...but it worked.


I'll be pushing some serious chips on these guys next time...you wanna bluff...I'll bluff. Freerolling at its finest.

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:19 pm
by buckeye_in_sc
RACK...


hey why not fight fire with fire...

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:25 pm
by Dinsdale
And when I do, and pull some absolute bullshit on the turn/river, I'll bust off the classic...

"That's why they call it 'gambling,' son."

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:31 pm
by buckeye_in_sc
^^^^^^^^^^or some other classics

"I just felt it!"

"But they were suited!"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:54 pm
by Spex
Shitty beat, but not a bad beat. Bad beats are when you get your money it with the best hand and lose.

But enough of that shitty nit picking. I'm guessing Ivey and company would have done the same thing. Ts and Ps bro

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:48 pm
by Dinsdale
Not too significant in the big picture...but there was some bragging rights to be had...


Last night, was at a friend's, we were both playing a PP freeroll. Sometimes, we'll throw a buck down on the table, he who finishes highest in the same freeroll, takes the cash(there's how to make a freeroll more interesting, if you have multiple player on multiple computers).

I was rocking the freaking party. About 380 left out of 14,000, and a bunch of short stacks were dropping like flies. BB, had a K 10 spades.

I went. Flop came...trying to remember...Ac Qs 9s. Minimum bet was 12,000, which is what another card cost me. Dude to my left was the one who bet, and I figured he was holding an A. Turn came...2s...1 card under the nutflush. I threw minimum bet, as a "feeler." Dude to my left raised...exactly how I wanted him to....although at that point, I was thinking he had the pocket rockets...or was sure betting like it(which he ended up having).


Pushed them all in there, based on the idea that he needed to be holding both the As and another spade to beat me...not a "lock"...but a good calculated risk-imo. I mean, if I took that pot, I was in such fat city, that it wouldn't have been to tough to limp in, and only bet crazynuts my way to the final table, where the cashout is on those crazy "play-money" freerolls.

We both get massive chips in there(he has my covered by a small amount). River comes...fucking duece...bastard paired the board, with one card to go.

Buh-bye, Dins' time-consuming bid to win the freeroll.

Getting the chips of 14-freaking-000 people all into your stack isn't all that easy...you have to both play very well, AND get a little love. Instead, I felt the hate...and that was that.

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:58 pm
by ChargerMike
...I once set a guy up like a good thing, a real thing of beauty. I worked my way deep into his dome with a couple hours of smack and BS. Had him reeling like a drunken sailor. Just waiting for "the hand".
Didn't know if the hand would show before the dude completely melted, but WHAM, here it came...pocket sixes, and quads on the flop..bwahahaha Dude had a boat and lit up like a Christmas tree when I went all-in...I CALL YOU MOFO I could almost hear him scream....

One of the schweetest set-up's I ever pulled of!

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:19 pm
by Dinsdale
ChargerMike wrote:One of the schweetest set-up's I ever pulled of!

I'm not sure I'll say the same of a lowly freeroll, but I played that hand EXACTLY how I wanted. Got the cards I needed, got the callers I needed. Hell, I was the one who upped the bet and threw major chips. I can't think of an online hand I've played any better.

As it all unfolded before my eyes, it was truly a thing of beauty. Hell, I even KNEW what the guy was holding when the chips started flying...how often can you really say that? I was way on my game...and then that fucking duece came up.

Oh well. I guess I won't complain about "bad beats" in a zero buy-in tourney. My $95 payout will have to come another day...or I'll even take the $40 bones for making final table(which I've done before...harder than it sounds. Not all of those 14,000 other players are idiots, believe it or not...although that bastard should have folded his aces, since I was obviously betting the flush. He had very few outs, but "very few" is not the same as "zero.")