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MuchoBulls wrote: Stricker is in the clubhouse at -1, so Tiger is basically done.

Just saw that.


Probably done working for the week is Tiger.

But then again...the way the course is hurting feelings, a whoooole buncha guys couls drop down...not likely, but possible.
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Dinsdale wrote:David Duval
is going THE FUCK off today.

Go freaking David. With the possibility of Tiger winning big on Father's Day out the window, Duval winning would have to go down as the golf "feel-good" story of the year.

I think anyone who has golfed through injuries(sup most of you) has to be rooting for Duval at this point. How can you not?
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Gee...Montie just missed a putt on #18 during the US Open to blow a lead(more or less)....what a nice little walk down Memory Lane, eh?
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Dinsdale wrote:David Duval
is going THE FUCK off today.

Go freaking David. With the possibility of Tiger winning big on Father's Day out the window, Duval winning would have to go down as the golf "feel-good" story of the year.

I think anyone who has golfed through injuries(sup most of you) has to be rooting for Duval at this point. How can you not?
I would love to see Duval even come close. Anywhere in the top 8 (automatic invite to next year's Masters and US Open) would be a great way to jump start next year for Duval, as his major exemptions will run out this year. To see him win it would be absolutely incredible.
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agreed on Duval. tit~slings to him!

MONTY--->well, i'm firmly in his camp for him to finally DO IT!

good g0d and gawd...what more does Bill Parcells have to do in order to WIN a MAJOR?

C'MON Sooooper COLON BLOWS!!!!!!

you can FINALLY....Do It!!!!!

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all day long today a couple of my golfing buds kept sticking their heads in my office saying "do you see what David Duval is doing today"....all day long they both followed his progress intently.....

the respect Duval gets amazing......and rightfully so...

i don't know anybody that wouldn't like to see him do well......
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Felix wrote:the respect Duval gets amazing......and rightfully so...

i don't know anybody that wouldn't like to see him do well......
Yes, there's a part of me that would like to see Duval do well here, and maybe even win it. But there's another part of me that says the last person I want winning a tourney is that no emotion, statuesque, humanoid, David Duval.
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Nice back 9 by Phil to grab a share of the lead going into tomorrow.
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i have a "Lefty Train-Wreck" feeling coming on. (not that i'd like that...it would be a Great WIN!)

s00per COLON BLOWS is only behind by 3....maybe the Open "finds him".

he SOoooooo overdue.

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Yikes.....Haven't seen many, if any, meltdowns like that in my viewing life. Oh well Lefty....
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It looked like Lefty was having a stroke and getting ready to collapse right there on the 18th hole.

Wait, my bad. That's exactly what happened.

As for Monty, just another in a long line of epic failure. So fucking close, but yet so far. I actually thought he was going to pull it off there for a few brief moments today. But hell no, not when there is defeat to be snatched from the jaws of victory. Monty is nails that way.
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As the tournament headed into the final two hours, four players were tied top the leaderboard. It wasn't a matter of who would shift into drive, but who could get out of reverse.

Mickelson did both, but then stepped on the gas and drove over the edge
:lol::lol:

Nice choke job there Phil Van de Velde...

Couldn't have happened to a better guy...

And since I haven't made my picks yet..

I'm going to go with the Australian Geoff Ogilvy to win.
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Was I hearing things, or did Monty say "What the hell was THAT?" as he watched his shot into 18 go Scott Norwood on him? For some reason, after hearing that, I started to like that guy a whole lot more. Too bad for him that he's running out of chances.

As for Lefty, I guess he just isn't wired to close the deal at the US Open. He could have assured himself as spot in the history books next to Hogan and Woods by hitting 2 solid 3 irons and two putting. At worst, he would have been in a playoff. Instead, he's going to have to live down one of the worst disasters in US Open history.

That being said, Geoff Ogilvy just put himself in serious contention for Player of the Year honors at the halfway point. The way he responded on 17 and 18 with two world class up and downs showed he's a worthy champion in his own right. Rack the living fuck out of him and sit back and enjoy watching him contend for a few more majors before he's done.

And tell him not to serve shrimp.

Or Fosters, or whatever they eat.
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It's too bad the 2002 Phil showed up yesterday. So much for taking some of his aggressiveness away. A definite Van de Phil.
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MuchoBulls wrote:It's too bad the 2002 Phil showed up yesterday. So much for taking some of his aggressiveness away. A definite Van de Phil.
Nah, this was more like Sam Snead circa 1939. The difference being that Snead had a legitimate reason for not knowing what he needed to do and Lefty had absolutely none whatsoever. Rack him though for showing up to the press conference and taking his medicine like a man.
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Phil is a stand up guy, so I am not surprised that he took his medicine. I just wish he could have realized he didn't need to be so aggressive on 18. He knew he was up a shot and driving the ball horribly all day.
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War Wagon wrote:As for Monty, just another in a long line of epic failure.

Hello?

While Montie has never cracked that elusive Major Championship, he's still one of the great players in the history of the game, without question. The man was in the top 5 on the Euro tour for over a decade, holding the #1 spot for several of those years. If that's being a "failure," where do I sign up?
JaysFan wrote:And since I haven't made my picks yet..

I'm going to go with the Australian Geoff Ogilvy to win.

$$$, bro. I think you're batting about 1.000 since we started there "Call it" threads. RACK you.

I too will go with Ogilvy. No-brainer.
BSmack wrote:Was I hearing things, or did Monty say "What the hell was THAT?"
I believe it was "what the hell kind of shot was THAT?"...but yeah, pretty much.

Me and my diehard golfer buds were kinda wondering about that shot. Obviously, I have no idea about Montie's "comfort distances," but for me(and others I know), that 171 distance he had was an "in-betweener." Not quite a 7, too much for an 8. From the looks of it(although I don't really know), we were guessing he started with an 8, then upon further review, decided against it. Looked like he opted to open the blade on a 7...but Montie is generally a fade player, and fade players need to be pretty darn careful when opening up that face...obviously, Montie wasn't careful enough. Horrible shot, which I'm sure Montie wouldn't disagree with. In retrospect, maybe a low bump-and-run towards the center of the green would have been a "base hit," rather than going for the home run. Don't tempt fate on hidden pins in a Major.
That being said, Geoff Ogilvy just put himself in serious contention for Player of the Year honors at the halfway point.
With the "parity" this year(read: lack of Tiger and Vijay), I'd tend to agree with you. Two more Majors, and a whole lotta other golf to play, though(obviously, you're "halfway point" qualifier takes this into consideration).
MuchoBulls wrote:It's too bad the 2002 Phil showed up yesterday.

"Too bad?"

That was AWESOME!

THAT'S the Phildo I remember.

And I heard more about the guy -- apparently, the pro at my bud's club was a PGA guy breifly, or has had a lot of dealings with that world, and is familiar with Phil. And says things like "biggest jackass I've ever met," and "that guy has ZERO friends on the tour, EVERYBODY hates him because he's such a jerk," and "what a well-groomed public image he has, in very stark contrast to his real personality."

I've never heard ONE good thing daid about the guy by anybody who's actually dealt with him on a personal basis. And when I hear negative review after negative review of the guy from people in the know, it starts to sink in.

Which makes me take even more delight in his failures. Anyone who makes a lifestyle out of treasting everyone else like crap and belittling his coworkers at every opportunity deserves all the heartbreak that comes his way. Phil ain't the #1 player, yet the #1 player doesn't walk around with a tude, being rude to everyone because he percieves himself as superior. Any silver-spoon-sucker like that can go fuck himself. I'll NEVER be on that guy's side.


But anyhoo... as one of my golf buds pointed out -- Reagrdless how highly regarded Bones may be, he did an absolutely miserable job yesterday. Deep down, he surely must know he's working for a meltdown artist. What Phildo was doing with the driver was essentially "Tin Cupping" it.

Might be an interesting discussion here -- at what point does the "field general," the caddie, step up and put his foot down?

Mantits(which have gotten bigger-btw) pretty much didn't hit a decent driver all day. One of my friends even pointed out "since when does Phil take his driver past parallel?" Dude was "dalying it" -- just about bouncing the head of his driver off his right(left on anyone else) foot. WTF? All he had to do was hold on and par out, but Mental Midget all of a sudden decides to show off his 350 yard drive?

That was just plain dumb. When you get the commentators on the TV to remark about how dumb you're being...go ahead and assume you're being dumb.

Coming down those last few holes, if Bones was doing his job (that probably pays several hundred thousand dollar a year), he would have pulled that driver out of the bag, and broken it over his knee. Not privy to their discussions, obviously, but you can't tell me the guy didn't say something at some point. Yet Phildo kept thinking he was on the driving range, and chose a time when he was leading on the back 9 on Sunday at the US Freaking Open to work out that problem with his driver-swing.

DumbDumbDumb.

That was just straight up DUMB golf.

Hell, I'm legendary with my friends for playing dumb golf, but I ain't exactly playing for a million bucks. And even I saw the flagrant stupidity in his decisions. And if I'm in a match with my friends for $2, I still find a way to put aside the stupid, and play for "damage control." A Major Championship on the line, and about $1,000,000, and dude couldn't grasp that concept.


What a tard. All that talent, all that finely honed skill(he still is the best wedge player I've ever seen), and all that hard work...and he just went and stupided it away. While I was rooting for a Phil Major Meltdown, I was still shocked at the idiocy I saw coming from him. Feel free to mix in an iron on the short holes with a lead and serious trouble outside of the short stuff...truly shocking decision-making from him and Bones.


While it was amazing that he was in contention with all of those errant shots(due to that superhuman wedge play), any shock-and-awe at how he was hitting approaches was offset by the junior-golf-level decision making. The last time I saw anybody at any level play THAT stupid, was when a couple of buds were running their handicaps up to prepare for a tourney(freaking cheaters).


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I'll go with Goosen....

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MuchoBulls wrote:Phil is a stand up guy

With all due respect, not to flame on you, but...


According to anybody with any firsthand knowledge(as mentioned in my previous post), Phil pretty much defines the OPPOSITE of what would be considered a "stand up guy." You've bought into that act he puts on for the TV cameras, to keep his endorsement deals going.

Guys have written little columns in the golf magazines to that effect, as well. The only people that don't seem to think the guy is anything but an asshole are the fans he puts on his act for. Many of the up-and-coming young guys on the tour have said that Phil has turned his nose up at them and wlaked away when they tried to introduce themselves.

On the other hand, none of the new players say they've ever had to introduce themselves to Tiger...when Tigers sees a new guy in the locker room, he walks over, extends his hand, introduces himself, and welcomes them aboard with a "I look forward to playing with you." Because that's what "stand up guys" do when a new coworker enters the workplace.


To put it in perspective, imaging if you started a new job, and one of the senior employees treated you like that?

It's not like Tiger will ever be crowned "Mr Social," but it's the correct, decent thing to do. Siver Spoon is so misadjusted to society, he has no concept of this.

Fuck Phil Mickcholesterol.
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I'm basing what I said on a first hand account of meeting Phil, when he played against David Toms at the Shell Wonderful World of Golf. I went with my brother and nephew, who was about 4 years old at the time. Phil came over and began to talk to my nephew and asked him if he played golf and who his favorite golfer was. When my nephew shyly answered "David Toms", Phil got a good chuckle out of it. He also talked to my brother and I about the course he was going to play (World Woods), etc.

He certainly didn't have to come over to us, but I was pretty impressed that he took the time for it.
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Felix wrote:I'll go with Goosen....
OK, I'll put you down for Ogilvy.
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Good pick. Unfortunately, he needs to call out a veterinarian to examine in great detail his dark horse...between every shot. If that guys wasn't my homie, he'd probably rank right up there with Phil on my "favorites" list.
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MuchoBulls wrote: He certainly didn't have to come over to us, but I was pretty impressed that he took the time for it.
Actually, that would be pretty consistant with what the "insiders" say about the guy...he's the Hulk Hogan of golf -- a complete fucking asshole, who has an inherent ability to put on a smile and really pour on the phoniness when his public image is at stake.

When you think about it, if he wasn't such a bad guy, then why are so many of his coworkers/associates lining up to toss him under the bus? That wouldn't really make any sense.
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MuchoBulls wrote: He certainly didn't have to come over to us, but I was pretty impressed that he took the time for it.
Actually, that would be pretty consistant with what the "insiders" say about the guy...he's the Hulk Hogan of golf -- a complete fucking asshole, who has an inherent ability to put on a smile and really pour on the phoniness when his public image is at stake.

When you think about it, if he wasn't such a bad guy, then why are so many of his coworkers/associates lining up to toss him under the bus? That wouldn't really make any sense.
I'd be curious to see some of this anti-Phil sentiment. Any links? Or is this just clubhouse chatter?
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Dinsdale wrote:Actually, that would be pretty consistant with what the "insiders" say about the guy...he's the Hulk Hogan of golf -- a complete fucking asshole, who has an inherent ability to put on a smile and really pour on the phoniness when his public image is at stake.
I wouldn't think his public image would be at stake, when there weren't more than about 20 people around where we were and there were no TV cameras in sight.
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I've heard a lot of the same stuff about Phil. Rick Reilly has mentioned in some of his columns how a lot of the players on Tour resent the fact that the fans think he is a Saint, b/c he is a dick in the clubhouse. GQ rated him the #8 most hated Athlete in Sports after conducting a poll w/ the players on the Tour.
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Cicero wrote:GQ rated him the #8 most hated Athlete in Sports after conducting a poll w/ the players on the Tour.

^^^There you go, B.

I couldn't even begin to remember which issue(or which periodical, for that matter) I read the interviews with the young players in, but nobody was lining up to say anything nice about Phil. He was singled out as being the one guy nobody wants to be around off the course.


Hopefully, more guys step up and tell the "behind-the-scemes" truth about the guy. He's had people fooled for too long.

Maybe it's just a pet peeve of mine when it comes to athletes. In contrast, with guys like say...Charles Barkley, or on the golf front, say...David Duval -- they might not be the nicest guys, but they don't try and play anyone for a sucker into thinking they are. Somehow, in Phil's warped mind, he sees himself as some sort of role model for kids or something. Sorry, Jackass, but being a "role model" involves living it every minute, and involves treating others as you would like to be treated...not putting on a happy face for the general public, while being a vile douchebag when the spotlight isn't on.


Oh, and last time I checked, Ford didn't make golf equipment. It's funny when John Daly does it -- it's low-rent white-trash when Phildo does it. What a cheap fucking whore he is.
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I've been on vacation.

I pick Ogilvy.
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BSmack wrote: I'd be curious to see some of this anti-Phil sentiment. Any links? Or is this just clubhouse chatter?
First person account.......a bud of mine was the local representative for McGregor golf clubs.....he got the opportunity to meet Mickelson at a trade show or something like that.

His exact words were "I was really surprised at how big a fucking prick Mickelson is".....
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Here's the GQ piece...
8. Phil Mickelson

Last August at the PGA Championship at Baltusrol, in New Jersey, a reporter turned to a golfer on the tour and said of Phil Mickelson, “Man, the fans here love Phil.” The golfer replied, “They don’t know him the way we do.” It blew our minds a little when we heard this, since Mickelson ranks among the most admired golfers in America. But today the same reporter makes his case bluntly: “Phil Mickelson literally has no friends out there. He annoys everybody.”
Of course that reporter is quoted by name.

Of course not. And yet this reporter who was so ignorant of Tour players "dislike" for Mickelson, has now completely immersed himself in the life of Tour players that he now knows that he has "no friends" out there.

I wonder if this same reporter bothered to watch the final round of the Matsers this year? Maybe he saw the final pairing? Christ, if Lefty and Couples were any more chummy, they would have been swapping man goo on the 15th green.
Mickelson has earned many nicknames on the Tour, but our favorite is FIGJAM (Fuck, I’m good—just ask me). “There are a bunch of pros who think he and his whole smiley, happy face are a fraud,” another reporter says. “They think he’s preening and insincere.” Mickelson has aggressively pursued a family-man image that is crucial to his success as an endorser. In 1999, when he nearly won the U.S. Open, Mickelson wore a beeper onto the fairway to alert him when his wife went into labor. If the beeper went off during the final round, he announced, he would simply walk off the course. Some of Mickelson’s peers, smelling a PR stunt, badly wanted to call his bluff. “Everybody’s saying, ‘Oh God, I want that beeper to go off,’ ” recalls one writer. (It didn’t.)
Ah, more unsubstantiated scuttlebutt. Pretty damn low to assume that a guy would use his wife's pregnacy as a PR stunt. And of course nobody is going on the record.
In 2003, Mickelson violated multiple taboos when he told a reporter that Tiger Woods was playing with “inferior equipment” and that he envied Mickelson’s longer drives from the tee. Woods was infuriated. “You just don’t say shit like that in golf,” says a reporter. (To be fair, another reporter says, “Phil was right.”)
To be fair, Tiger himself said Phil was right when he switched clubs and shafts a year later. Tiger WAS using inferior equipment.
Shortly before the 2004 Ryder Cup, though, Mickelson abruptly switched from Titleist to Callaway equipment. He left himself little time to get used to the new balls and clubs. “It wasn’t in the best interest of the team,” says a reporter. “The only thing that it was in the best interest of was his financial gain.” The contract paid a reported $7 million to $10 million annually. “What it did was set up a bull’s-eye on him if he played poorly,” says a different reporter. “Which he did.”
So Phil is supposed to queer a 10 million dollar deal to prep for an exhibition match? Was he supposed to wait until after the Ryder Cup and delay his preperation for 2005? You know, for when real tournaments were on the line?
Most recently, Mickelson blew off the 2005 Tour Championship, though the PGA was in the midst of negotiating its new TV contract. One reporter says, “The Tour was trying to come up with a plan that would make the networks happy, so it wouldn’t have to give back a lot of money, and here’s the number three player in the world skipping the premier season-ending event. Other players said, ‘How about helping the rest of us who aren’t as rich?’ ” Adds another reporter: “It’s like not showing up for somebody’s wedding.”
And Tiger blew off this year's Mercedes. Here's a news flash, when top ranked players decide they don't want to play that week, there's not much anybody's going to do to stop them.

Still waiting for something a tad more compelling than some bullshit GQ article.

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Face it bro, your man crush is a douchebag off the course.
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Cicero wrote:Face it bro, your man crush is a douchebag off the course.
Man crush? Sounds more like he facepalmed you. I just don't much give a rats ass about the kind of gossip "reporting" that GQ is trying to pass off.

As it stands now, we have one 2nd hand claim that Phil was a dick and one 1st person account that Phil was a class act. Since it is likely that Phil Mickelson has interacted with thousands of different people, I'd say it's not likely we have a representative sampling.
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Well, I met and talked with Phil while I was staying at the Grand Wailea in Maui. He was staying there too and was speaking at the Paychex convention being held there as he endorses them.

He was a very nice guy. We didn't talk about golf at all. Mostly talked about football and kids. We were in the pool and his kids were jumping off the rope swing. Of course, my friend asked him for a picture after about 20 minutes and he said "No thanks, I'm on vacation" and took his kids and left. I was like, wtf? to my friend.

All in all, class act if you don't "want something" from him which I didn't. His wife was there in her little white string bikini taking care of his youngest. My friend snapped a shot or two of her with his camera. Sorry, I never got the pics.
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IndyFrisco wrote:He was a very nice guy. We didn't talk about golf at all. Mostly talked about football and kids.
It's nice to hear......you hear so many stories about how this guy is a gem or that guy is a prick, etc.......

Imagine people sticking stuff in your face for you to autograph 24 hrs a day, 365 days of the year. I'm sure I'd be a prick at times too......

I'd like to believe he's one of the good guys......
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Felix wrote: I'd like to believe he's one of the good guys......

Me too.

And I used to think that way. But, unlike BSmack, I can only read so many articles, hear so many first and secondhand accounts, and so on and so forth before I quit doubting their accuracy.

By BSmack's logic, all those rumors about Michael Jackson are "unsubstantiated rumor." So, you'd line up to leave your kids in his care, right?
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Dinsdale wrote:
Felix wrote: I'd like to believe he's one of the good guys......

Me too.

And I used to think that way. But, unlike BSmack, I can only read so many articles, hear so many first and secondhand accounts, and so on and so forth before I quit doubting their accuracy.

By BSmack's logic, all those rumors about Michael Jackson are "unsubstantiated rumor." So, you'd line up to leave your kids in his care, right?
Unlike Jako, I've not seen anybody go on record with their issues with Lefty. That's why I asked for a link. That GQ article was nothing more than fluff.
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Dinsdale wrote: By BSmack's logic, all those rumors about Michael Jackson are "unsubstantiated rumor." So, you'd line up to leave your kids in his care, right?
There is one player on tour that has gone on record about Mickelson being a prick and a phony.......

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BSmack wrote:I've not seen anybody go on record with their issues with Lefty. That's why I asked for a link. That GQ article was nothing more than fluff.

And in fairness, I haven't provided one. I can eventually cite a source, but the stack of golf magazines is at my bud's cabin on Mt Hood(good place for them, since TV and radio don't work for a crap there, and you can't entertain yourself with hallucinogens all of the time). Next time I'm up there, I'll see if I can find the one with the article(wasn't the subject of the interviews, it just came up) where guys were ripping Phil up...with both their names and the reporter's name in the articles. Can't even remember which of the two major periodicals it was, actually.

There's been VOLUMES written on this subject in the last few years...some people just choose to ignore them and continue harboring the image of Phildo they had prior to the truth coming out (<---I smell an M2 reset/out-of-context-quote coming on).
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Felix wrote:
Dinsdale wrote: By BSmack's logic, all those rumors about Michael Jackson are "unsubstantiated rumor." So, you'd line up to leave your kids in his care, right?
There is one player on tour that has gone on record about Mickelson being a prick and a phony.......

Vijay......
Well talk about the pot and the fucking kettle.

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