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Goober McTuber wrote:So if we combine your bike lanes, bike boulevards and bike paths, you still have 17 less miles than Madison’s 110 miles of bike paths? In a city that’s twice the size of Madison?

Number manipulation, my friend. Those are mainly paved/city-maintained paths you're talking. There's literally several times that number of "unofficial"/privately maintained trails that are ridden every single day...MANY times that number. See, 'round these parts, people don't actually need the city to build the shit for them and tell them where to ride.

See, we kinda have the biggest city park in the country, and the heavily-forested thing has literally hundreds of miles of bike trails...hundreds...and few of them will show up on any "city map" of bike trails. I would say that maybe Madison has a similar situation...but NOT. I reallyreallyreally don' think there's any way you could even begin to understand the scope of Forest Park without exploring it -- which would take you years....literally.

Getting it now?

Sitting right next to me on this desk here, is an extensive map of off raod bike trails in this neighborhood -- and not one of them appears on a bike trail map...and there's literally dozens of miles mapped out....just in this hood. See, actually having "topography" and "forests" lends itself to that sort of thing.


So, Imma gonna cut you a break. You know not of what you speak, but your ignorance is excused.

NEVER underestimate the power of a bunch of hippies with bikes.


I'll tell you what, Goobs -- when the mayor of Madison starts riding with Critical Mass every month(looks like the FG finally figured out what that was, and decided that gravytraining the Left Coast would be cool...again), then we'll talk. Until then...shut up.

Yup, you read it right, dickweed -- the freaking mayor is a Critical Mass guy(as your search engine gets fired up and roaring).

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Goober McTuber wrote:The best city for cycling in North America, Portland

So, to show how badly I KMOA, you posted information that...


supports what I've been saying?

Are you and Vic related by chance? Cousins of Cicero, maybe?
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Dinsdale wrote:So, Imma gonna cut you a break. You know not of what you speak, but your ignorance is excused.
Kind of like you blathering on about a city (Madison) that you obviously know very little about. Hey, I just quoted the numbers from your link. 53 miles of bike paths vs. 110 miles of bike paths. Beginning to understand that whole goose and gander thing though.
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Goober McTuber wrote:Kind of like you blathering on about a city (Madison) that you obviously know very little about

Yeah, that's why I had to go with the information that YOU cited -- that part about how Madison is an inferior cycling city to Portland.


I was just going off the information YOU provided.


But, take heart -- someday, you gravytraining douchebags will latch on to another one of our concepts(in about 20 years or so, kinda like the beer thing), and start riding where you want, rather than where the city tells you to. Heck, maybe one of these decades, we'll tell you guys about the private clubs that privately maintain trails for public use...that don't show up on a map.

But, I'm sure you guys have some AWESOME hill-riding and....oh...sorry.



Bottom line -- when we want to know about outdoorsy/physical fitness stuff, we ask Portland and other Left Coast cities...whyen we want to know how to make our ass as fat as possible and look like fucking douchebags with stupid cheese shit on our heads at football games...we'll give you a call, Wisconsin.


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Dinsdale: if you're mayor is a Critical Mass devotee, he's part of the problem, not the solution. I agree with one of the letter writers to the Alibi the week after Critical Mass here in Albuquerque. Sure it's fun to get together with a whole bunch of cyclists and cruise as one down the streets.... but it's counterproductive if all you're really doing is making motorists mad at you, particularly when those cyclists in some cities take to getting violent against motorists by kicking at cars and shit. That's not cool. Cyclists have it bad enough; why antagonize motorists, and have motorists associate us with being 'in the way' even more so?

There has to be a better way to show solidarity among cyclists AND educate motorists about the benefits of cycling and cyclists' rights sharing the road, at the same time. I don't think Critical Mass is it.

As for your map of off road trails, that's nice. City maintained paths still have something privately maintained and unofficial paths don't: an official avenue to getting shit fixed if things go wrong. i do have to ask, what are the safety measures like on those private and unofficial paths when it comes to lighting and fencing and signs, especially at night? or is it ad hoc and folks just do what needs to be done on their own? if someone gets hurt on the private and unofficial paths, who is responsible?
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This thread had far more potential as a race baiting trainwreck.
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Dinsdale wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:So if we combine your bike lanes, bike boulevards and bike paths, you still have 17 less miles than Madison’s 110 miles of bike paths? In a city that’s twice the size of Madison?

Number manipulation, my friend. Those are mainly paved/city-maintained paths you're talking. There's literally several times that number of "unofficial"/privately maintained trails that are ridden every single day...MANY times that number. See, 'round these parts, people don't actually need the city to build the shit for them and tell them where to ride.

See, we kinda have the biggest city park in the country, and the heavily-forested thing has literally hundreds of miles of bike trails...hundreds...and few of them will show up on any "city map" of bike trails. I would say that maybe Madison has a similar situation...but NOT. I reallyreallyreally don' think there's any way you could even begin to understand the scope of Forest Park without exploring it -- which would take you years....literally.

Getting it now?

Sitting right next to me on this desk here, is an extensive map of off raod bike trails in this neighborhood -- and not one of them appears on a bike trail map...and there's literally dozens of miles mapped out....just in this hood. See, actually having "topography" and "forests" lends itself to that sort of thing.


So, Imma gonna cut you a break. You know not of what you speak, but your ignorance is excused.

NEVER underestimate the power of a bunch of hippies with bikes.
Excellent. Now a map of trails just happens to be in easy reach of Dins and he tells us that on it are miles of unmarked trails. Nice. When you need to REALLY prove your point, quote a source that only you have convenient access to. Of course, Dins wouldn't lie would he?
by ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 on Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:30 am
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Right. Because unlike you, I actually respond to Vic. He's a funny poster
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Dinsdale wrote:But, take heart -- someday, you gravytraining douchebags will latch on to another one of our concepts(in about 20 years or so, kinda like the beer thing), and start riding where you want, rather than where the city tells you to. Heck, maybe one of these decades, we'll tell you guys about the private clubs that privately maintain trails for public use...that don't show up on a map.
As well they shouldn't, if the City is not responsible for their upkeep and is not allowed to be associated in any way with those trails. Putting those trails on a map would be the equivalent of the City giving its stamp of approval to those trails and to the private clubs which maintain those trails.

How close are those clubs with the City, however? and vice versa? How often are those trails maintained? What is the lifespan of unofficial trails?
Bottom line -- when we want to know about outdoorsy/physical fitness stuff, we ask Portland and other Left Coast cities...whyen we want to know how to make our ass as fat as possible and look like fucking douchebags with stupid cheese shit on our heads at football games...we'll give you a call, Wisconsin.
Whatever, pothead. That's as stupid as older Americans crowing about how great America's defenses are, when it was really a matter of geography and luck. If Wisconsin is on an official par with Oregon, in spite of being flat as paris hilton's pre-surgery chest, then that's to Wisconsin's credit and you need to give credit where credit is due.

It's all good in the end. Just accept that. Give Madison her props for doing something for her people, and lock arms.
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Dinsdale wrote:Yeah, that's why I had to go with the information that YOU cited -- that part about how Madison is an inferior cycling city to Portland.

Actually, the information I initally cited showed them to be essentially equal, but you discounted it since it didn't fit your needs. Your figures showed that you have less than half the amount of bike trails as Madison, in a city twice as large. But of course you have a whole bunch of undocumented dirt paths running through your freakishly large park. Whatever.
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Invictus wrote:Excellent. Now a map of trails just happens to be in easy reach of Dins and he tells us that on it are miles of unmarked trails. Nice. When you need to REALLY prove your point, quote a source that only you have convenient access to. Of course, Dins wouldn't lie would he?
Hi, Vic. Never know. Maybe he does. All he has to do is scan it. Might be a treat to look at, especially if he can scan an official map, scan his map, and then put them both together on this thread so everyone can see what he's talking about. doesn't even have to be a whole map; just a representative section of each, showing the same area, but one with official trails and the other with private.
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Jimmy Medalions wrote:This thread had far more potential as a race baiting trainwreck.
So invite your good buddy canibus (who, to his credit, earned everything he has) to come back here with his Valvenis troll, and you two can have the same divisive Trolling (tm) fun you two used to pull in the old days.
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Nope, the original The Doktor was much more interesting and funny. Can't be him. If it is, then he should have stayed away.

Maybe it was the bright lights and big stage of the Vent and the Badlands that made me see him as something it clearly seems he ain't.

Coon Central? Is that a train station in Detroit?
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Right. Because unlike you, I actually respond to Vic. He's a funny poster
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Invictus wrote:Nope, the original The Doktor was much more interesting and funny. Can't be him. If it is, then he should have stayed away.

Maybe it was the bright lights and big stage of the Vent and the Badlands that made me see him as something it clearly seems he ain't.

Coon Central? Is that a train station in Detroit?
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Risa wrote:Dinsdale: if you're mayor is a Critical Mass devotee, he's part of the problem, not the solution.
Actually, he's kind of bridged the gap between the parties, and people tend to be on better behavior when they're in the company of the mayor...who rides his bike to work every day and to his appointments(he's over 60-btw).

There has to be a better way to show solidarity among cyclists AND educate motorists
Huh? I can't think of a better way to "educate" some dumd soccermom that to put a fat bootprint in her door. While it wasn't used for the same cause as the CM folks, I've used the exact same technique to "educate" people about having respect for motorcyclists. Seems to get the point across.


i do have to ask, what are the safety measures like on those private and unofficial paths when it comes to lighting and fencing and signs, especially at night?
Huh?

What are these "fences" and "lighting" you speak of?

Seriously, heve you ever actually been in a forest?

And regardless, what is this "being in the forest at night" thing you speak of?

Bumping through urban forests at night is generally considered a pretty piss-poor idea. We may not have invented serial killers around here, but we definitely raised the bar. I'm the toughest, most hardcore motherfucker around (just ask me), and I don't go beebopping through the woods in and around the city at night...that's fucking nuts. Way too many people of questionable character living in those places.
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Invictus wrote: Coon Central? Is that a train station in Detroit?

[golf forum joke]Sounds like the name of Indy's hotel at Hilton Head.[/golf forum joke]
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Dinsdale wrote:
Risa wrote:Dinsdale: if you're mayor is a Critical Mass devotee, he's part of the problem, not the solution.
Actually, he's kind of bridged the gap between the parties, and people tend to be on better behavior when they're in the company of the mayor...who rides his bike to work every day and to his appointments(he's over 60-btw).
Well, good for him. Our mayor claims to ride his bike too. He also claims to ride the bus. I'll believe it when there's a better bus system than just along the money-making Route 66 corridor.

How far does your mayor do it? and how many places of employment in Portland have shower facilities for cyclists?
There has to be a better way to show solidarity among cyclists AND educate motorists
Huh? I can't think of a better way to "educate" some dumd soccermom that to put a fat bootprint in her door. While it wasn't used for the same cause as the CM folks, I've used the exact same technique to "educate" people about having respect for motorcyclists. Seems to get the point across.
Nah. I just take up an entire lane (which I am allowed to do at an intersection) and stop and do a long look back at the driver (if fools want to play the leadfoot/horn honk game, though to be fair, that was only one bitch) then go slow. Fuck these people. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna be a dumbass and start destroying property. That's never cool, man. I wouldn't want someone to destroy my property, why would I destroy theirs? And all it does is make people feel justified in engaging in roadrage on the one hand, and knocking cyclists off the road by passing as close as possible in order to 'get past them' on the other. This is New Mexico. Not only do cyclists have to watch for stupid asses throwing litter out the window, and rocks being kicked up behind the mudflaps of dick-substitute trucks, and assholes who think 'red' means 'the world has stopped for everyone but me'... now you have people intentionally antagonizing motorists? no way, man. Can't be doing that.

Off subject, I think a section on sharing the road with cyclists (both motorized and pedal power) should be a standardized part of all driving schools and driving tests. So where your maps?

i do have to ask, what are the safety measures like on those private and unofficial paths when it comes to lighting and fencing and signs, especially at night?
Huh?

What are these "fences" and "lighting" you speak of?
The fences that keep good people from flipping into the concrete arroyos when the wind picks up and the monsoon season hits, here in the desert. Some of those are some extremely long drops to the bottom, particularly along the highways.

And lighting, well, that's just being safe. Doesn't have to be garish, just letting you know what's along your path, particularly beside buildings or next to maps. Y'all have maps along your trails as well, right?
Seriously, heve you ever actually been in a forest?
Hello, I'm from Indiana.
And regardless, what is this "being in the forest at night" thing you speak of?
More like a 'need to get home from work cuz I'm working 2nd/3rd shift' thing that I speak of. Cycling isn't just for one's health. Hell, I work with someone who bikes all the way from the east mountains, past the rio grande to beyond the west valley. That's a loooooooong ass way on a bike trail, especially with just reflected lights for the residential sections.

So maybe y'all ain't got drop offs that'll break your neck and worse if you flip the guardrail, but that's forest. That's darkness if it's a tight canopy overhead (is it?), too many moving shadows. People gotta get places, get home... or get to work, if it's early in the morning come winter time and the sun doesn't bother to breach the horizon til like 6 or 7:30am.... Safety.

Bumping through urban forests at night is generally considered a pretty piss-poor idea.
And that's where safety comes in.
We may not have invented serial killers around here, but we definitely raised the bar.
I'm remembering a story Sudden Sam told, last year or so, about a trip he took along a trail on his bike, and meeting up with some Deliverance folks. That was broad daylight. You can meet death anywhere. Why make it easier to do so by not having some safety precautions for those who have to get home.
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and I don't go beebopping through the woods in and around the city at night...that's fucking nuts. Way too many people of questionable character living in those places.
Is that the biggest reason why those private trails you boast of aren't on any city map?
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The Doktor wrote:Looks like Coon Central in here to me.
And coon is good eating, right? [/insert inappropriate caddyshack reset here]
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Risa wrote: The fences that keep good people from flipping into the concrete arroyos
OK, question answered -- you've never been in a real forest. I'll try and keep that in mind in the future.
Some of those are some extremely long drops to the bottom, particularly along the highways.
We're talking apples and oranges, I guess. You're talking about commuter routes (we call them "roads" around here), and I'm talking about riding trails. Two very different animals. If you're coming home from work, it's unlikely you'd want to do a mountain hillclimd through deep mud to get home for dinner.

And lighting, well, that's just being safe. Doesn't have to be garish, just letting you know what's along your path, particularly beside buildings or next to maps.
Yeah, we'll just use all of those power lines strung through the forest to power all of those buildings in the forest to put up some lights...there's a winner.
So maybe y'all ain't got drop offs that'll break your neck

Nah, flat as a pancake around here, and volcanic soils/features certainly don't lend themselves to sheer cliff-faces or anything :rolleyes:
That's darkness if it's a tight canopy overhead (is it?)
Well, despite what you've heard about Amazon Rainforests and whatnot, the U&L is home to the most dense terrestrial biomasses on the planet...so you do the math.

Bumping through urban forests at night is generally considered a pretty piss-poor idea.
And that's where safety comes in.
Uhm, yeah. It's generally considered "safe practice" to not go wandering around urban forests at night -- it's kind of a "Darwin" thing.

We may not have invented serial killers around here, but we definitely raised the bar.
I'm remembering a story Sudden Sam told, last year or so, about a trip he took along a trail on his bike, and meeting up with some Deliverance folks.
Similar concept, but instead of "inbreeding," substitute "tweeked on meth/heroin." Same but different.
Is that the biggest reason why those private trails you boast of aren't on any city map?

Fair enough question. I'd say the main resons are that people don't want to clue too many others in on their "secret trail," and another being that there's so freaking many of them, it would be a pretty serious job to even begin mapping them.
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Risa wrote: [/insert inappropriate caddyshack reset here]
In your case, " You must have really been something before electricity" seems appropriate
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