MIA - Iraq

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:42 pm

Martyred, maybe what you're experiencing now with Tom and your "history" is just more wind being sowed, eh??

:-)

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:44 pm

Van wrote:Martyred, maybe what you're experiencing now with Tom and your "history" is just more wind being sowed, eh??

:-)

Tom and I have had our words, but we where always cool with each other.
Until today.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:46 pm

I guess then that those "words" took on a decidedly different bent for Tom today...

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:53 pm

Martyred wrote:I know you're frustrated Tom, but there's no reason to call me a cunt and a shit troll.

I agree. Tom is better than that shit.

Martyr is a troll as much as we are all trolls. Martyr may be playing an extra game given the 'perk/not-perk' issue, but why believe Martyr is trolling all the time? especially if Martyr is a Canadian? The only thing unusual about Martyr would be if he/she were a chickenhawk for the Iraq war, and pulled the 'US President: right or wrong' card. How many of the Canadians who post here are lockstep, or have ever been lockstep with the US government?

So why not assume Martyr is being sincere on this one, Tom?

As for the other shit, dumped by other people, why mention Kerry? it's Bush who is president. This is his baby. He started it -- not Kerry. Bush says he's not going to finish it and that he never intended to finish it.

Tom in VA wrote:However these men are treated, will be status quo at a minimum, for their captors and have little or nothing to do with "retaliation".

Why capture them in the first place, and kill their driver in cold blood -- as that farmer claims he witnessed the kidnappers do -- if there wasn't 'retaliation' on the minds of the kidnappers in the first place? This was a carjack; this was an intentional kidnapping. So why do abductors kidnap in the first place, during a state of war?

What do the kidnappers want, and what will they do those they have captured -- especially since they were willing to shoot the driver immediately -- what is 'status quo' in a situation like that?

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:54 pm

mvscal wrote:
Martyred wrote:
Van wrote:Martyred, maybe what you're experiencing now with Tom and your "history" is just more wind being sowed, eh??

:-)
Tom and I have had our words, but we where always cool with each other.
Until today.
Then take your bleeding twat back to Canada. None of this concerns you.

His country shares a border with ours. Of course it concerns Martyr.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:58 pm

mvscal wrote:Shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch.

RACK

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:00 pm

Raydah James wrote:
mvscal wrote:Shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch.

RACK

So, ronald mcdonald and lurch walked into a bar.....

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:32 pm

Van wrote:
People can say a lot about the avarice of the U.S. and the vacuousness of so much of its culture, fine, sure.

Guilty as charged. As a cultural society, yep, we suck really badly in many ways. As a society we've managed to deify and in some cases even successfully export McDonald's, "Survivor", Disneyland, "Star Wars", Harley-Davidson, Hip Hop Culture, Nascar Culture, "Queer Eye", rampant crime, Kiss, Paris Hilton, "TomKat" and Jerry Springer.

Hey! :?

Don't forget about Wal-Mart, fella'.

Everybody loves a winner.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:38 pm

Fine.

Wal-Mart too. Then again there's no separating Nascar Culture and MacDonald's from Wal-Mart (they're all the same people) so there was really no need for the additional mention...

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:42 pm

Risa wrote:Take Martyr on for his (or her) point, not for who Martyr is.

Martyr is only saying that the United States has sown nettle in it's narrow vision of the treatment of prisoners. The United States cannot wring its hands and pray for mercy only to lash out and spit upon our soldiers capture when they are treated in a less than exemplary fashion by their captors.

I agree, we cannot expect compassion from our enemy. Now that that's clear can someone get Bush to execute all the prisoners in Guantanamo..or at least let them continue to off themselves in a orderly fashion.

The US is in a sticky wicket forever more -- our soldiers and our citizens abroad are in a sticky wicket forever more -- because of this administration's asinine decision to say the Geneva Convention applies to everyone but us.

Oh good grief, grow a pair. We've been in a "sticky wicket" since the terrorists decided to link us with their holy war on Israel. Its no particular administration's fault. Ask Osama himself, he'll tell you its been our long standing policies around the world that have led to our being "targeted".

Osama is like Jesse Jackson. They have to have a "boogieman" to stay in business.. :)

The Doktor · Post by **The Doktor** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:49 pm

From a quick and casual observation, this Martyred person seems to be at the bottom of the barrel over here.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:04 am

Van wrote:Fine.

Wal-Mart too. Then again there's no separating Nascar Culture and MacDonald's from Wal-Mart (they're all the same people) so there was really no need for the additional mention...

And Harley-Davidson are the "same people" too?

Van, trying to paint with a broad brush much? Say it ain't so.

Methinks your overly loquacious self went too far in making what was otherwise a damned fine point.

You don't have to apologize or make excuses for anything that says "Made in the USA". No need to speak with forked tongue, paleface.

Know what I'm saying? I have a feeling you don't.

Here's another attempt. Those soldiers that you honor? They're fighting and dying for Harley-Davidson, McDonalds, NASCAR, and yes, even Wal-Mart employees and customers.

Give 'em a break, instead of stereotyping them in order to molify the likes of Martard.

And before you even think about pulling the "but Wal-Marts cheap shit is made in Jakarta" card...I know that.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:14 am

The Doktor wrote:From a quick and casual observation, this Martyred person seems to be at the bottom of the barrel over here.

He and his shit trolls Dok. I could give you a least who this fuckstain is, but it doesn't matter.

Also for the rest, not responding to Annie would be fresh. Ignore these shits and they go away until someone replies to them.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:32 am

Van wrote:Martyred, maybe what you're experiencing now with Tom and your "history" is just more wind being sowed, eh??

:-)

You see right through me.

This "Marty" is going to call people on information he's culled about them over a period of years. Challenge them on those things ... past and present ... and then get upset when I call him a "cunt". Reaping indeed.

Marty,

Never called you a "shit" troll. You're a very good troll, very skilled at the art.

Unless you're a female you shouldn't be too concerned about me calling you a "cunt". Even between my real life bros there's a few "You dumb cunt" thrown around.

As for the cowardly part ... well come out from behind the troll.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:37 am

War Wagon wrote:
Van wrote:Fine.

Wal-Mart too. Then again there's no separating Nascar Culture and MacDonald's from Wal-Mart (they're all the same people) so there was really no need for the additional mention...
And Harley-Davidson are the "same people" too?

I doubt Wal-Fart people are used to over-paying for their items.

The Doktor · Post by **The Doktor** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:05 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:
War Wagon wrote:
Van wrote:Fine.

Wal-Mart too. Then again there's no separating Nascar Culture and MacDonald's from Wal-Mart (they're all the same people) so there was really no need for the additional mention...
And Harley-Davidson are the "same people" too?
I doubt Wal-Fart people are used to over-paying for their items.

Isn't this the pedophile guy?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:16 am

That's a lot of gas, Van, and basically crap.

You're sort of like Ayn Rand, 'cept queer like Rove. Your absurdly imperialist take on American history is childish at best--sort of like Rusp Limpdick. The examples you roll out are each easily refuted--such as the actual hegemenous sway America has always held over Canada and Mexico--for starters.

You don't dare examine, let alone admit, the joined-at-the-hip relationship that existed between Ken Lay and Dick Cheney--so, really, stop trying to pretend you've some solid base for your blusterous neocon nonsense. You don't.

Your attack is pure Rove--er, Goering. "They hate America!"

You're a shameless punk. And a total racist as well. Or, properly, an anti-Semite. Or didn't you think those Arabs you hate so much are Semites?

The American soldiers captured weren't taken by a government, or a "people." Rather, the friends, relatives and countrymen of the same folks we've been terrorizing for the past three years--murdering thousands and destroying their nation like the Nazis in Warsaw '40.

Will their deaths be somehow more significant than those hundreds and thousands of American soldiers who've been killed in rollovers, suicides, and through sickness?

Only by locking up this current cabal--Project For The New American Century--can we begin to repair its damage to our country and the world.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:50 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: ...can we begin to repair its damage to our country and the world.

Please to refrain from ever again referring to The United States of America as being "our" country.

Thanks.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:24 am

War Wagon wrote:
Van wrote:Fine.

Wal-Mart too. Then again there's no separating Nascar Culture and MacDonald's from Wal-Mart (they're all the same people) so there was really no need for the additional mention...
And Harley-Davidson are the "same people" too?

No, not entirely, which is why I didn't include them in the Nascar group. H-D people are FAR more Status Conscious people than Nascar/Wal-Mart/MacDonald's people.

One thing though...H-D people are NASCAR people when it comes to being fans of motorsports. They're definitely not your typical F1 types, are they??

Van, trying to paint with a broad brush much? Say it ain't so.

Of course it's so. This is a message board. You're not expected to take things literally, as if I don't allow for exceptions within each group.

Methinks your overly loquacious self went too far in making what was otherwise a damned fine point.

Methinks I ought to suck my own dick, it was such a fine damned point.

:wink:

You don't have to apologize or make excuses for anything that says "Made in the USA".

Sure I do, for some things. H-D's, for instance. They're fucking horribly built, and way overpriced to boot.

No need to speak with forked tongue, paleface.

Never. I'm pretty clear in what I say and in what I mean.

Know what I'm saying? I have a feeling you don't.

Methinks you're attempting to play the contrarian role a bit too obviously, is all.

Here's another attempt. Those soldiers that you honor? They're fighting and dying for Harley-Davidson, McDonalds, NASCAR, and yes, even Wal-Mart employees and customers.

Tangentially, among many other things, yes. Mostly they're dying for their families and their paycheck. Pretty sure Sgt. Whathisface out there in Iraq isn't charging into some building screaming, "Diiiiick Triiiiiiickle!!!! Aaaaeeeeiiiii!!!"

Give 'em a break, instead of stereotyping them in order to molify the likes of Martard.

The soldiers don't need a break from me. They have my 100% support, from Day One.

And before you even think about pulling the "but Wal-Marts cheap shit is made in Jakarta" card...I know that.

Nope, not that. I'm referring more to the 400 lb welfare mom with her six welfare brats loudly trolling the aisles and dripping bacon grease from her ass crack(s), loading up her basket with fried snacks and inane DVDs...

...oh, but not before stopping off at the instore Mickey D's on her way out the door.

That Wal-Mart. That MacDonald's. That Nascar Culture.

White Trash Paradise.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:26 am

War Wagon wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote: ...can we begin to repair its damage to our country and the world.
Please to refrain from ever again referring to The United States of America as being "our" country.

Thanks.

Fuggen A. <------Nascar Culture Speak.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:46 am

Tom In VA wrote:B,

You really display how ignorant you are, if you really think electing a Dem into office in 2004 would have changed anything. It wouldn't have.

There would have been hell to pay had Kerry not gotten the troops out of that hellhole by the 06 midterms. It probably would have destroyed the Democratic Party. Or maybe you missed the fact that most Dems are NOT DOWN with this war?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:15 am

Van wrote: No, not entirely, which is why I didn't include them in the Nascar group. H-D people are FAR more Status Conscious people than Nascar/Wal-Mart/MacDonald's people.

Status Conscious?

Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit, or do you really buy into that line of thinking?

NASCAR fans spend like a bazillion bucks for their tickets, roll into tracks with HUGE RV's, and party their fucking asses off whilst roasting whole fucking hogs over the week-end, all the while not the least bit concerned about what their "status" is. Put's an NFL tailgate party at Arrowhead to shame, I mean to tell you.

Are you concerned about what your status is, Van?

One thing though...H-D people are NASCAR people when it comes to being fans of motorsports. They're definitely not your typical F1 types, are they??

I wouldn't know. I'm not all that caught up in pidgeon holing people.

H-D's, for instance. They're fucking horribly built...

Them's fighting words. First time that I've ever heard that a Harley was horribly built. On what do you base this accusation?

The soldiers don't need a break from me. They have my 100% support, from Day One.

Knock, knock? I didn't say that the soldiers needed a break from you. Your support for the troops is laudable and much appreciated. What they are defending, though, whilst you talk sideways, could use a break.

Some part of that didn't get through?

Whatever, Van. I'll still luv you in the morning.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:14 am

War Wagon wrote:
Van wrote: No, not entirely, which is why I didn't include them in the Nascar group. H-D people are FAR more Status Conscious people than Nascar/Wal-Mart/MacDonald's people.
Status Conscious?

Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit, or do you really buy into that line of thinking?

NASCAR fans spend like a bazillion bucks for their tickets, roll into tracks with HUGE RV's, and party their fucking asses off whilst roasting whole fucking hogs over the week-end, all the while not the least bit concerned about what their "status" is. Put's an NFL tailgate party at Arrowhead to shame, I mean to tell you.

That would be the wealthiest of the wealthy Nascar fans, the Conspicuous Consumption types who trailer their low mileage H-D Fatboys to Daytona in the back of their blinged out toy haulers.

The vast majority of the low rent rank and file Nascar Nation are MacDonald's swillin', Wal-Mart living construction workers with their nasty women and three mustard stained wife beater wearin', rat tail mullet sportin' future "Cops" episodes waiting to happen dink kids.

(Again, don't take me literally here.

<---- )

Are you concerned about what your status is, Van?

That sounded very much like Annie. Check yourself.

One thing though...H-D people are NASCAR people when it comes to being fans of motorsports. They're definitely not your typical F1 types, are they??
I wouldn't know. I'm not all that caught up in pidgeon holing people.

Grow a pair. This is message board banter, nothing more.

H-D's, for instance. They're fucking horribly built...
Them's fighting words. First time that I've ever heard that a Harley was horribly built. On what do you base this accusation?

Okay, there I'm not kidding and I am being literal.

I sell motorcycles for a living. I know whereof I speak where H-D build quality is concerned. It's a fucking joke.

The soldiers don't need a break from me. They have my 100% support, from Day One.
Knock, knock? I didn't say that the soldiers needed a break from you. Your support for the troops is laudable and much appreciated. What they are defending, though, whilst you talk sideways, could use a break.

Bullshit. Calling out our cultural embassments has nothing to do with the job our soldiers are doing.

Non sequitur.

Some part of that didn't get through?

Whatever, Van. I'll still luv you in the morning.

Pick me up three Egg McMuffins then at Wal-Mart and bring 'em on back to our trailer. Make sure to grab some strawberry jams too.

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:49 am

Van forgot to add Chewing Tobbacky and a bad Meth habit but other than that pretty spot on.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:54 am

The Seer wrote:
Martyred wrote:
Adelpiero wrote:isn't it MIA-DAL in nba finals?
Trust me. Your mavericks will be feeling the heat in the Sunni Triangle soon enough.

There you are! Red headband, on the left....

Fucking morons left out the "W".

If they want to come to SoCal and get a job they better learn to spell carwash.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:45 pm

They were alive when they were abducted....and now they're dead. Yet I doubt that anyone in the international community will even bat an eyebrow on how these soldiers were treated (not to mentioned if they were tortured).

Those who complain about how we treat those in custody at GB can go fuck themselves.

Risa · Post by **Risa** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:52 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote:They were alive when they were abducted....and now they're dead.

BACK UP. what?? when did this happen? is that the official news? do you have a link? why kill them so soon?

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:08 pm

Martyred wrote:Arab armies have always treated their captives humanely. The treatment of prisoners of war
is actually dictated in the Qu 'uran.

I guess we can assume they were "humanely" killed while in captivity

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:25 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060620/ap_ ... NlYwN0bQ--

Headline reads.....

"US bodies showed signs of torture"

Justa Heel · Post by **Justa Heel** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:32 pm

'BODE Insurgents.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:46 pm

and the Trotskyites wring their hands
about a f***ing video !!
pathetic

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:56 pm

Well there it is.

I can find article after article about how our military polices it's own, right now. Marines, Airborne troopers, who might have crossed the line and will be subject to scrutiny.

Will we see the same, in regards to our mothers' sons ? I think not.

BSmack, Marty and Risa, shove it right up your ass.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:19 pm

Tom In VA wrote:Well there it is.

I can find article after article about how our military polices it's own, right now. Marines, Airborne troopers, who might have crossed the line and will be subject to scrutiny.

Will we see the same, in regards to our mothers' sons ? I think not.

BSmack, Marty and Risa, shove it right up your ass.

Why the melting? Did I ever once endorse torture by EITHER side?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:27 pm

BSmack wrote:Why the melting?

It's hot and it's awfully quiet.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:42 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
BSmack wrote:Why the melting?
It's hot and it's awfully quiet.

Amir would like to recomend a frosty cold beverage.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:46 pm

BSmack wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:
BSmack wrote:Why the melting?
It's hot and it's awfully quiet.
Amir would like to recomend a frosty cold beverage.

That dude would get beheaded as well. He's drinking.

Of course he might be undercover in a cell somewhere, waiting for the word. Then of course being clean, clean shaven, drinking beer and oggling strippers is okay.

Either way, the notion that somehow these guys were tortured and beheaded because of some "karma" is bullshit. They were tortured and beheaded because the enemy does that with impunity. Of course if our guys yell "Halt" in too harsh a tone, our Democratic "leaders", suck their panties right up in their ass and start screeching.

Thanks for the cold one.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:51 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Tom In VA wrote: It's hot and it's awfully quiet.
Amir would like to recomend a frosty cold beverage.

That dude would get beheaded as well. He's drinking.

And quite happy it would appear.

Tom, not every single post is an excuse for one of your polemics.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:57 pm

That one will get him thrown from the roof of a building or buried alive.

Justa Heel · Post by **Justa Heel** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:08 pm

mvscal wrote:
Justa Heel wrote:'BODE Insurgents.
Yeah, why I'll bet that checkpoint went unmanned for possibly as long as a couple hours. No doubt we have been rocked back on our heels by that "tremendous victory". No doubt this will change the entire course of the war.

No, but they're causing you and everyone else to melt.

BODE.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:13 pm

Justa Heel wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Justa Heel wrote:'BODE Insurgents.
Yeah, why I'll bet that checkpoint went unmanned for possibly as long as a couple hours. No doubt we have been rocked back on our heels by that "tremendous victory". No doubt this will change the entire course of the war.
No, but they're causing you and everyone else to melt.

BODE.

The insurgents aren't the ones causing that. Your bodometer needs adjusting.