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Raydah James wrote: I'll start by simply saying that the only fucking person this chink looks good to......



Is Indiana Jones when his shit needed out of The Temple Of Doom.

that's a rack

The Seer wrote:You know less about golf than you know about world events.....and I thought that was impossible....

=David Duval

I think BSmack's entire point of contention was that it's difficult for a non conditioned golfer to be expected to post a good score playing 54 holes in 24 hours, especially in a major.

Hurst began to implode starting on the back 9 on the second round on Sunday. I believe she had a 3 shot lead at one point as well.

MuchoBulls wrote: I think BSmack's entire point of contention was that it's difficult for a non conditioned golfer to be expected to post a good score playing 54 holes in 24 hours, especially in a major.

Especially against todays fitness conscious golfers. The flabsteaks of the past didn't usually have annika roboplayer types to contend against.

MuchoBulls wrote:

The Seer wrote:You know less about golf than you know about world events.....and I thought that was impossible....

=David Duval

I think BSmack's entire point of contention was that it's difficult for a non conditioned golfer to be expected to post a good score playing 54 holes in 24 hours, especially in a major.

Hurst began to implode starting on the back 9 on the second round on Sunday. I believe she had a 3 shot lead at one point as well.

Sorenstam had a 2 stroke lead as well on the front 9 , and scored two 6's to give the lead back to Hurst . Plus , Sorenstam gave one back on the 17th that would have won the Open on Sunday .

I don't see Singh , Mickleson , Montgomerie , as the eptomie of fitness . And they are dominant players on the Tour . Daly was right there with Woods in the last Amex tourney . Daly's desire to win isn't there anymore , not because he is fat , but just because he is John Daly .

If the Robo player profile rang true , then Camilo Villegas is the next Nicklaus .

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:The key words being WERE DOMINANT. Those days are long gone.

Lefty might be ready sometime in the near future to test your theory.

Lefty is in a hell of a lot better shape than you might think. He may not be as perfectly sculpted as Tiger or Villegas. But I'd bet my car that he could break your ass in any exercise that involves using core muscles. The same goes for Monty (who has also trimmed down his manboobs) and Vijay. Simply put, you don't hit 300 yard drives by being weak. And you don't play 54 holes in 24 hours and not be in top condition. Or you will lose by one of the worst margins in US Open playoff history. Like Pat Hurst did.

BTW: Craig Stadler's days as a top Tour player ended just as Tiger was breaking in. Now it has been almost 2 whole years since he has won an event on the Senior Tour. Not coincidentally, the guys just coming up to the Senior Tour are the first wave of guys who had to slug it out against Tiger and his breed. Care to guess who spends more time in both the fitness trailers and the winner’s circle?

BSmack wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:The key words being WERE DOMINANT. Those days are long gone.

Lefty might be ready sometime in the near future to test your theory.

Lefty is in a hell of a lot better shape than you might think. He may not be as perfectly sculpted as Tiger or Villegas. But I'd bet my car that he could break your ass in any exercise that involves using core muscles. The same goes for Monty (who has also trimmed down his manboobs) and Vijay. Simply put, you don't hit 300 yard drives by being weak. And you don't play 54 holes in 24 hours and not be in top condition. Or you will lose by one of the worst margins in US Open playoff history. Like Pat Hurst did.

BTW: Craig Stadler's days as a top Tour player ended just as Tiger was breaking in. Now it has been almost 2 whole years since he has won an event on the Senior Tour. Not coincidentally, the guys just coming up to the Senior Tour are the first wave of guys who had to slug it out against Tiger and his breed. Care to guess who spends more time in both the fitness trailers and the winner’s circle?

Good points , but Herron is a lumpy dude , and doing well on the Tour this season .

Size has very little to do with driving distance. Is Scott McCarron big? Shrimpy Ian Woosnam was able to put it out there...Your argument about being cut having an affect on golf skills just has too many facts supporting the other argument...

Golf requires technique, not strength or endurance.

drummer wrote:Good points , but Herron is a lumpy dude , and doing well on the Tour this season .

Herron has been a factor in 2 tournaments this year (winning one) and he played well in two others. That's not a bad living. But I'm not talking about making a good living. I'm talking about surviving the test that is competing for a USGA Championship.

You take Herron, run his lumpy ass out there for 36 holes in summer heat and then match him up against Camilo Villegas in an 18 hole playoff the next morning and I am taking Villegas 100 out of 100 times. It's that simple. And anybody who knows golf, who has seen the evolution of the PGA Tour since the beginning of Tiger's career, knows that it is Camilo Villegas, not Tim Herron who is the wave of the future.

The Seer wrote:Size has very little to do with driving distance. Is Scott McCarron big? Shrimpy Ian Woosnam was able to put it out there...Your argument about being cut having an affect on golf skills just has too many facts supporting the other argument...

Golf requires technique, not strength or endurance.

Overall size is not the only indicator of strength.

BTW: Refresh my memory. Has McCarron or Woosnam been on a leader board since 2001?

drummer wrote:Good points , but Herron is a lumpy dude , and doing well on the Tour this season .

Oh fuck... you didn't. Please tell me you didn't. You dropped the 'Tim Herron' bomb in this, a thread about the elite of golf? I refuse to believe you did.

BSmack wrote:

The Seer wrote:Size has very little to do with driving distance. Is Scott McCarron big? Shrimpy Ian Woosnam was able to put it out there...Your argument about being cut having an affect on golf skills just has too many facts supporting the other argument...

Golf requires technique, not strength or endurance.

Overall size is not the only indicator of strength.

BTW: Refresh my memory. Has McCarron or Woosnam been on a leader board since 2001?

Okay, Davis Love.
Listen, I agree w/most of what you've posted in this thread. But to assume that one must be cut like Camillo to be a perennial contender is a bit over the top. Hell, Retief, while very fit... ain't exaclty of the Camillo Villegas/Tiger Woods mold.

Ken wrote:

drummer wrote:Good points , but Herron is a lumpy dude , and doing well on the Tour this season .

Oh fuck... you didn't. Please tell me you didn't. You dropped the 'Tim Herron' bomb in this, a thread about the elite of golf? I refuse to believe you did.

This thread is about the elite of Golf ?

What was that Buddy Hackett pic doing in it ?

Jeez , you're right .

Herron is a lumpy dude , who is doing well on the tour .

Yeah , this might be off of topic .

BSmack wrote:For Whitey to come in thinking that the head honchos of the LPGA were sweating bullets over a potential Pat Hurst victory only shows that he knows jack about competitive golf.

So, you think the LPGA wants fat, out of shape bitches as their poster girls grabbing headlines instead of the likes of a Wie?

Not coincidentally, the guys just coming up to the Senior Tour are the first wave of guys who had to slug it out against Tiger and his breed. Care to guess who spends more time in both the fitness trailers and the winner’s circle?

You mean guys like Dana Quigley?

Now, there's one healthy specimen, I mean to tell you...not.

drummer wrote:

Ken wrote:

drummer wrote:Good points , but Herron is a lumpy dude , and doing well on the Tour this season .

Oh fuck... you didn't. Please tell me you didn't. You dropped the 'Tim Herron' bomb in this, a thread about the elite of golf? I refuse to believe you did.

This thread is about the elite of Golf ?

What was that Buddy Hackett pic doing in it ?

Jeez , you're right .

Herron is a lumpy dude , who is doing well on the tour .

Yeah , this might be off of topic .

You brought Tim effing Herron into a discussion that entailed the likes of Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, and Colin Montgomerie among other very accomplished golfers.

I'll leave it at that.

Ken wrote:Okay, Davis Love.

Listen, I agree w/most of what you've posted in this thread. But to assume that one must be cut like Camillo to be a perennial contender is a bit over the top.

That's not at all what I said. I'm simply saying that the Tour is trending towards guys like Villegas. Strength will never replace good technique. But strength and technique equals a better player than a person of lesser strength with similar technique.

And I'm also saying that in a test of endurance, Villegas would kick Tim Herron's ass.

Hell, Retief, while very fit... ain't exaclty of the Camillo Villegas/Tiger Woods mold.

You're right. Being cut is not the only sign of good conditioning. The issue dogging players like Hurst, Daly and Herron is simple cardiovascular fitness and obesity.

War Wagon wrote:So, you think the LPGA wants fat, out of shape bitches as their poster girls grabbing headlines instead of the likes of a Wie?

No, I think that since Hurst is out of shape, not a soul in the LPGA gave her a chance in hell of beating Annika on Monday. Therefore, they weren't sweating out a damn thing.

You mean guys like Dana Quigley?

Now, there's one healthy specimen, I mean to tell you...not.

There's a reason Dana Quigley has to play in EVERY Champions Tour event. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.

BSmack wrote:

Ken wrote:Okay, Davis Love.

Listen, I agree w/most of what you've posted in this thread. But to assume that one must be cut like Camillo to be a perennial contender is a bit over the top.

That's not at all what I said. I'm simply saying that the Tour is trending towards guys like Villegas. Strength will never replace good technique. But strength and technique equals a better player than a person of lesser strength with similar technique.

And I'm also saying that in a test of endurance, Villegas would kick Tim Herron's ass.

Hell, Retief, while very fit... ain't exaclty of the Camillo Villegas/Tiger Woods mold.

You're right. Being cut is not the only sign of good conditioning. The issue dogging players like Hurst, Daly and Herron is simple cardiovascular fitness and obesity.

Won't argue w/any of that.

Ken wrote:

drummer wrote:

Ken wrote: Oh fuck... you didn't. Please tell me you didn't. You dropped the 'Tim Herron' bomb in this, a thread about the elite of golf? I refuse to believe you did.

This thread is about the elite of Golf ?

What was that Buddy Hackett pic doing in it ?

Jeez , you're right .

Herron is a lumpy dude , who is doing well on the tour .

Yeah , this might be off of topic .

You brought Tim effing Herron into a discussion that entailed the likes of Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, and Colin Montgomerie among other very accomplished golfers.

I'll leave it at that.

Pro Golfers, and physique .

Hmmmmm .......

Yep .

BSmack wrote:No, I think that since Hurst is out of shape, not a soul in the LPGA gave her a chance in hell of beating Annika on Monday. Therefore, they weren't sweating out a damn thing.

Hurst was right there with the rest of the leaders on the 36 hole Sunday marathon , and hit some tough shots out of the rough that required power during the last few holes . She wasn't running out of gas then . Plus , she also had Wie chasing her as well .

Singh is on the practice tee more than if at all in the fitness center . That's where the real conditioning regimen applies .

Villegas is a rising star , but it still comes down to shotmaking .

Right, so......who's gonna be he first to plow young tall Michelle?

Oh, the looooong straight par-five drive down her dead-still torso as the first tee-shot rides....ooooh...carries the navel....stilll rolling...holds up in the thick black Korean rough.....nice looking lie for the pensive fingers....(she wants it! She needs it!)

Second shot, a soft wedge into the deep cloven fold--ever towards the pin--.....oooohh...nice placement..on in two!

setting up the putt is as important as making it....

let the verdant whispering green speak softly tones of longing...let the hole call you!

Address the muff--er, the hole, the pin--the shot


see it splayed out longingly............approach it...bend to it slowly...gently take a snatch and test it aromatically...feel it...celebrate the moment


gather your full energy--the only confidence worth having--knowing how hard you've worked--and gently spread the shot in your bisected plan--direct with just the right angle of approach and entry........wait......savor....subsume it all deeper still...and...stroke it smooth and strong!!!

(sorry, she's a dyke, you missed)

drummer wrote:Hurst was right there with the rest of the leaders on the 36 hole Sunday marathon , and hit some tough shots out of the rough that required power during the last few holes . She wasn't running out of gas then. Plus, she also had Wie chasing her as well.

She ran out of gas on Monday.

Singh is on the practice tee more than if at all in the fitness center. That's where the real conditioning regimen applies.

Villegas is a rising star, but it still comes down to shotmaking.

I think I'll let Vijay answer your question.

Q. How much do you attribute the current state of the game, so many players playing well, to Tiger's run three, four years ago and the challenge that guys took upon themselves to get better?

VIJAY SINGH: Well, I don't know. I think you can say -- yeah, you can attribute that to a little bit of Tiger's play probably in 2000, 2001. But guys, sooner or later, they catch on, they want to get themselves up there. They want to get fit, they want to work out and do things to improve their golf game. You can go on the driving range right now and see guys -- every guy out there is physically in great shape. You know, you won't find too many guys that just don't work out anymore. Everybody out there works out. That's big for the game.

I think younger kids coming out of college, they know what to do. I'm in the gym every day, as well, and I'm in a generation where we never used to work out. So that tells you that -- I don't know if it was Tiger or whoever it was, but everybody caught onto what they needed to do to improve their golf game. Going out there and hitting balls for hours is not the only way to improve.

http://www.augusta.com/masters/stories/ ... view.shtml

QED

BSmack wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:The key words being WERE DOMINANT. Those days are long gone.

they are gone because those guys got old. Other fat guys will follow. There is some 15 year old john daly out there who will come along sooner or later.

Lefty might be ready sometime in the near future to test your theory.

Lefty is in a hell of a lot better shape than you might think. He may not be as perfectly sculpted as Tiger or Villegas. But I'd bet my car that he could break your ass in any exercise that involves using core muscles. The same goes for Monty (who has also trimmed down his manboobs) and Vijay. Simply put, you don't hit 300 yard drives by being weak. And you don't play 54 holes in 24 hours and not be in top condition. Or you will lose by one of the worst margins in US Open playoff history. Like Pat Hurst did.

"He may not be as perfectly sculpted as Tiger or Villegas."- that is the gaxest sentence I have ever read.

BTW: Craig Stadler's days as a top Tour player ended just as Tiger was breaking in. there's that pesky age thing again. Now it has been almost 2 whole years since he has won an event on the Senior Tour. Not coincidentally, the guys just coming up to the Senior Tour are the first wave of guys who had to slug it out against Tiger and his breed. Care to guess who spends more time in both the fitness trailers and the winner’s circle?

hmmmm, you mean to tell me that the 50 year old rookies are schooling the vets that are about ready to qualify for medicare? Wow, it must be the conditioning.

Look b, I've played 36 holes of golf on a hot july day. It does get you a little tired, but, then again, I was carrying my own bag and I didn't play anywhere close to as often as the tour fatties do. Golf is all about 2 things. Most important is nerves of steel. Second is god given coordination. Neither of these is achieved in the gym.

Gym work does help some. You defend the apparent exceptions by saying they could break your ass at core excercises, another rather gax statement, btw. And I'd be willing to bet that fat boy daly, even drunk could do them as well.

I will admit this much. Success as a pro golfer past the age of maybe 35 is very dependent on taking care of yourself. This is because like an old car, your body will go to shit by then if it's not maintained. You can rule golf as a fat 25 year old, like daly was. You can not do it on the senior tour at 52.

BSmack wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

BSmack wrote:The key words being WERE DOMINANT. Those days are long gone.

Lefty might be ready sometime in the near future to test your theory.

Lefty is in a hell of a lot better shape than you might think. He may not be as perfectly sculpted as Tiger or Villegas. But I'd bet my car that he could break your ass in any exercise that involves using core muscles. The same goes for Monty (who has also trimmed down his manboobs) and Vijay. Simply put, you don't hit 300 yard drives by being weak. And you don't play 54 holes in 24 hours and not be in top condition. Or you will lose by one of the worst margins in US Open playoff history. Like Pat Hurst did.

Did you see Mickelson at the Masters? Hey lady, nice tits. He was probably in better shape a year ago, he looks a bit chunky now.

As for Hurst, you’re just making an assumption as to why she lost. She’s 0-4 in playoffs in her career. And her playoff performance was an illustration of the old axiom, “drive for show, putt for dough”. It was her putter that cost her on Monday. At least that’s what she thinks.

smackaholic wrote:hmmmm, you mean to tell me that the 50 year old rookies are schooling the vets that are about ready to qualify for medicare? Wow, it must be the conditioning.

Talk to Hale Irwin. He's 8 years older than Stadler and playing better than Stadler. Plenty of golfers have played very well on the Champions Tour into their mid and late 50s. Stadler has peaked on that tour at the ripe old age of 53.

Look b, I've played 36 holes of golf on a hot july day. It does get you a little tired, but, then again, I was carrying my own bag and I didn't play anywhere close to as often as the tour fatties do. Golf is all about 2 things. Most important is nerves of steel. Second is god given coordination. Neither of these is achieved in the gym.

Gym work does help some. You defend the apparent exceptions by saying they could break your ass at core exercises, another rather gax statement, btw. And I'd be willing to bet that fat boy daly, even drunk could do them as well.

So, do you putt better with a heart rate of 105 or 135? And tell me, was there anything more important than a 5 dollar skin hanging in the balance on those holes? You going out and playing 36 at your local club is not even remotely like Pat Hurst playing 36 at the US Womens Open and then playing 18 the next morning.

Simply put, fitness affects concentration and coordination. To say otherwise is simply wrong.

I will admit this much. Success as a pro golfer past the age of maybe 35 is very dependent on taking care of yourself. This is because like an old car, your body will go to shit by then if it's not maintained. You can rule golf as a fat 25 year old, like daly was. You can not do it on the senior tour at 52.

You cannot rule golf as a fat 25 year old period. Guys like Herron and Daly are blessed with enough skill that they can overcome their deficiencies in cardiovascular conditioning ON OCCASION. But they will never EVER come close to "ruling" the game of golf the way their more physically fit counterparts are capable of doing.

BTW: Daly at 25 was not very fat.

Here's the Crooked Stick version of Daly...



And here's Daly now...



Daly started to balloon in size during the mid 90s. Which, along with his battles with the bottle, is why he turned to shit as a professional golfer.

Goober McTuber wrote:Did you see Mickelson at the Masters?

Yes, and at the US Open.

Hey lady, nice tits. He was probably in better shape a year ago, he looks a bit chunky now.

You're making the fallacious assumption that body sculpting equals cardiovascular fitness. That is not the case.

As for Hurst, you’re just making an assumption as to why she lost. She’s 0-4 in playoffs in her career. And her playoff performance was an illustration of the old axiom, “drive for show, putt for dough”. It was her putter that cost her on Monday. At least that’s what she thinks.

A lot of fat people are in denial. Hurst isn't the first or last fat person to ignore the 250 pound person in the mirror. Her weight is a big part of her failure to convert on her chances to win tournaments.

Brian,

You’re every bit as obstinate as mvscal, with none of the charm.

Goober McTuber wrote:Brian,

You’re every bit as obstinate as mvscal, with none of the charm.

I take that to mean you've exhausted your limited knowledge of professional golf? No problem. Would you feel better if I told you to go fuck yourself?

BSmack wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Brian,

You’re every bit as obstinate as mvscal, with none of the charm.

I take that to mean you've exhausted your limited knowledge of professional golf?

No, I’m just tired of arguing with a dim-witted, know-it-all contrarian. Hurst double-bogeyed the first hole, and lost another stroke on the third. She was three down after three holes and lost by four. If she was going to run out of gas due to her conditioning, it logically should have happened on the back nine, where she was a stroke better than Sorenstam. I’d say she was beaten mentally that day, much more so than physically. And Annika is very tough mentally.

Besides, Pat Hurst is in a hell of a lot better shape than you might think. She may not be as perfectly sculpted as Lorena Ochoa or Natalie Gulbis. But I'd bet my car that if you were to start feasting on her labial casserole, she could cross her legs and snap your neck.

Goober McTuber wrote:Hurst double-bogeyed the first hole, and lost another stroke on the third. She was three down after three holes and lost by four. If she was going to run out of gas due to her conditioning, it logically should have happened on the back nine, where she was a stroke better than Sorenstam. I’d say she was beaten mentally that day, much more so than physically. And Annika is very tough mentally.

It had to do both with the physical and mental sides of it. They played 36 on Sunday and went back out first thing on Monday morning. You can't tell me that Hurst doesn't take a bit longer to recover physically than Sorenstam does.

Hurst was a stroke better on the back because Sorenstam played safe since it was over after 3 holes.

MuchoBulls wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Hurst double-bogeyed the first hole, and lost another stroke on the third. She was three down after three holes and lost by four. If she was going to run out of gas due to her conditioning, it logically should have happened on the back nine, where she was a stroke better than Sorenstam. I’d say she was beaten mentally that day, much more so than physically. And Annika is very tough mentally.

It had to do both with the physical and mental sides of it. They played 36 on Sunday and went back out first thing on Monday morning. You can't tell me that Hurst doesn't take a bit longer to recover physically than Sorenstam does.

Hurst was a stroke better on the back because Sorenstam played safe since it was over after 3 holes.

^^^^^^^^^ Gets it.

Goober, if you're so tired of arguing, why don't you mix in a cup of shut the fuck up? Or is that not mvscal enough for you?

BSmack wrote: Players like Hurst, Tim Herron, John Daly and Laura Davies are doomed to fall when pushed to the limit of their rather poor conditioning.

Great take.

Sin,
Discussed about 1000 times in the Golf Forum.




Oh, and just so's the drive by-ers know...BSmack is right, those of you arguing with him are wrong. But then again, every single golfer, golf coach, and golf analyst agrees with him, too.

But really -- go ahead and continue making fools out of yourselves in your one attempt at a golf take per year.

This is a :bigshocker:, too -- the regulars in the Golf Forum like BSmack and Mucho know what the fuck they're talking about(find me a golf analyst who doesn't agree with them...I challenge you), and the others don't.


:BIGSHOCKER:

BSmack wrote:She ran out of gas on Monday.

Yes , be she was right there for 36 holes on Sunday , with some power left to hit out of the thick rough on the back 9 . If she had one birdie more that day , than a whole different story . She shot a 75 for her 3rd round , and a 69 for her 4th . All on the same day . So she wasn't fading then .

People forget that Hurst took some time off from the Tour to raise children , after she won a Open .

Singh wrote:Q. How much do you attribute the current state of the game, so many players playing well, to Tiger's run three, four years ago and the challenge that guys took upon themselves to get better?

VIJAY SINGH: Well, I don't know. I think you can say -- yeah, you can attribute that to a little bit of Tiger's play probably in 2000, 2001. But guys, sooner or later, they catch on, they want to get themselves up there. They want to get fit, they want to work out and do things to improve their golf game. You can go on the driving range right now and see guys -- every guy out there is physically in great shape. You know, you won't find too many guys that just don't work out anymore. Everybody out there works out. That's big for the game.

I think younger kids coming out of college, they know what to do. I'm in the gym every day, as well, and I'm in a generation where we never used to work out. So that tells you that -- I don't know if it was Tiger or whoever it was, but everybody caught onto what they needed to do to improve their golf game. Going out there and hitting balls for hours is not the only way to improve.

Thanks for clarifying that , but Singh isn't a total gym rat body sculpter . Put him on an obstacle course with Sergio Garcia , and Garcia would smoke him . Put him on a putting green with Garcia , and Singh would win there .

And that's where it all come down to .

I'm pulling for Villegas to win this year , and think he is the front runner for Rookie of the Year . But he still has to make putts . I'm still pulling for Harrington to win his first major this year also .

But Hefty is playing his best golf ever , and he is considerably larger than he was at the beginning of his career .

Man tits aren't a good sign of fitness either .

Goober McTuber wrote:Brian,

You’re every bit as obstinate as mvscal, with none of the charm.

mvscal has charm? Coulda fooled me.

First, a qualifier -- Mantits is actually in pretty decent shape, except he carries a belly. Besides that, he's fairly fit.

So, let's look at the Big 5 --

Tiger -- Amazing athleticism, superior conditioning. Could probably excel at any sport.

Phil -- as mentioned, a little flab, but generally good shape

ViJay -- VERY fit...some of y'all need to stop smoking crack, apparently...dude's in GREAT condition.

Ernie Els...last few years, his physical condition has deteriorated

Retief -- VERY good condition


So, which one of The 5 is known for melting down on Sunday afternoons? The one with the gut, maybe?


And which one, due to coincedence I'M SURE, has kind of disappeared from the radar at about the same time his conditioning went to hell?


Keep going down the list, and you'll see a very clear trend.


Funny that people who don't know jack fucking shit about the subject are so quick to voice their lack-of-knowledge.


The number of tournies choked by overweight golfers is of STAGGERING disproportion...and if some of you knew what you were talking about, you'd feel pretty fucking stupid for trying to write it off as coincedence.

Dinsdale wrote:First, a qualifier -- Mantits is actually in pretty decent shape, except he carries a belly. Besides that, he's fairly fit.

Mantits and a belly .

Yeah , he is fairly fit .

And how did Mantits "conditioning" treat him down the stretch of that last Major, when both physical and mental acuity are the most important?


Then again, you think Daly is "doing well" this year....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!


And you REALLY must not have seen that tourney this season where the announcers were all but openly mocking Herron for running out of gas on Sunday afternoon?

Because if you did, you'd be feeling pretty silly. Dude could barely even lift a club by #72. Was funny shit...too bad you missed it.

Dinsdale wrote:And how did Mantits "conditioning" treat him down the stretch of that last Major, when both physical and mental acuity are the most important?


Then again, you think Daly is "doing well" this year....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!


And you REALLY must not have seen that tourney this season where the announcers were all but openly mocking Herron for running out of gas on Sunday afternoon?

Because if you did, you'd be feeling pretty silly. Dude could barely even lift a club by #72. Was funny shit...too bad you missed it.

I didn't say Daly was doing well this season . I said he was right there with Woods that lasty AMEX tourney .

And Herron has won once already this season , and placed second in another Tourney . Not bad for a lumpy dude .

And I don't know how many times you had to hit the oxygen tank after seeing that a lot of ' fit ' players run out of " gas " this year as well .

Dude , you're slipping . You played the " BWHAHAHAHAHA " card in a Golf thread .

drummer wrote: And Herron has won once already this season , and placed second in another Tourney . Not bad for a lumpy dude.

OK, you're not that familiar with the Tour. That's OK.

There's certain events that most of the top players take the weekend off, usually to prepare for a "bigger" tourney coming up. These events are usually played mostly by guys scrounging to keep their card, and usually have A LOT of guys playing on exemptions/invites.

These "vacation weekends" are the only time we've heard anything from Herron in recent years. An experienced Tour player going up against struggling scrubs.


Light coming on yet?

Dinsdale wrote:So, let's look at the Big 5 --

Tiger -- Amazing athleticism, superior conditioning. Could probably excel at any sport.

To be honest, this is where you lost me. If you mean he could probably excel at any sport compared to the schmucks on this board, you're probably right. But if you mean he could excel at other sports the way he excels at golf, I couldn't disagree more.

According to his website, Tiger is 6'2" and 185 pounds. http://www.tigerwoods.com/content/defau ... iType=6266 That, of course, would render him a little smallish for either the NFL or the NBA, so unless he has the freakish quickness of a Reggie Bush or an Allen Iverson (unlikely), or incredible punting or place-kicking ability (neither one of us knows that he does), then the NFL and the NBA probably would both be out.

His size would not be a detriment in MLB, of course. But for my money, success in baseball relies more upon certain God-given talent than any other sport. You can't teach the reflexes necessary to hit a 90+ mph fastball, and by and large, you can't develop them, either -- you either were born with them, or you weren't. Most likely, Tiger was not.

NHL? Tiger's a little on the smallish side there as well, although not nearly so drastically as for the NFL or NBA. Perhaps if he had grown up in a different part of the country, one where hockey is more popular, he could have developed the skills necessary for hockey. But it would be a little late for him to try now.

Being a well-conditioned world-class athlete in one sport does not necessarily translate to guaranteed similar success across the board in all other sports. Michael Jordan's baseball "career" is a perfect illustration of that fact. And his height, which served him so well in the NBA (one can argue that there would have been a place for Michael Jordan in the NBA had he been 6'0" rather than 6'6", but it's pretty obvious that he would not have been anywhere near as dominant as he was in the NBA under the former circumstances) became a detriment for him in baseball, at least at the plate (.202 batting average at the AA level).