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mothster wrote:can someone tell me what 'la villa strangiato' is played in------particularly the gangster of boats and monsters movements (or whatever the lifeson solos are)

4/4(or could have been written as 2/4, aka "march time," but that mostly just has to do with how it's written on paper, rather than how it sounds...to an extent).


During the solos, they're all over the map with the time signatures. Just listened to it(thanks Moth). Mostly 4/4, but they occasionally "drop a beat" and make it 7.


That would be a very hard tune to learn in an ensemble setting. Having a conductor, or whichever band member wrote the rhythyms screaming his head off would be helpful. I'll tell yoiu what -- as good as those guys are, they still had to practice that piece for dozens and dozens of hours before it was tight. Tough piece of music.

Dinsdale wrote:

patsy stone wrote:[Mostly the older stuff... "Time Stand Still," "Distant Early Warning," "Subdivisions,"!

AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!


Shut up. Just shut the fuck up.

I'm an old man now. Before that, as a boy, I used to look forward to each new Rush album.

And then Grace Under Pressure came along. The era of the sellout/testosterone deminishing hit.

If you like GUP, then more power to you. But DO NOT refer to this as "old stuff" -- it was very clearly(to anybody who was familiar with the band at the time) the point at which "old stuff" became the "new stuff." This is a VERY CLEAR turning point for Rush, and no amout of you rewriting history will ever change that.

Actually, I saw Moving Pictures, or possibly Hemispheres before that, as the single biggest turning point for Rush. Quite a departure from 2112, at least in terms of being much more radio-friendly.

I can enjoy Rush's music from all eras, but I'm probably in the minority among their fans in that regard.

Dinsdale wrote:

mothster wrote:can someone tell me what 'la villa strangiato' is played in------particularly the gangster of boats and monsters movements (or whatever the lifeson solos are)

4/4(or could have been written as 2/4, aka "march time," but that mostly just has to do with how it's written on paper, rather than how it sounds...to an extent).


During the solos, they're all over the map with the time signatures. Just listened to it(thanks Moth). Mostly 4/4, but they occasionally "drop a beat" and make it 7.


That would be a very hard tune to learn in an ensemble setting. Having a conductor, or whichever band member wrote the rhythyms screaming his head off would be helpful. I'll tell yoiu what -- as good as those guys are, they still had to practice that piece for dozens and dozens of hours before it was tight. Tough piece of music.

But, I'll bet jerry woulda nailed it first time, one handed in an lsd induced haze.

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Can anybody think of a notable rock group that has such a polarizing effect as Rush?

Grateful Dead.

The collective idiocy and lack of hygiene shown by their obsessed fans has unfortunately obscured some pretty damned fine music, IMNSHO. Hell, even I made a point of "hating" them for years just because the Deadheads in my fraternity were so damned obnoxious.

I said rock group, not rock groupies. Being a deadhead is not a display of musical taste, it is a fukking display of not having a fukking life. Rack the hell out of the dead for getting thousands of folks to live their lives for the sole purpose of making the next concert.

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Can anybody think of a notable rock group that has such a polarizing effect as Rush?

Grateful Dead.

The collective idiocy and lack of hygiene shown by their obsessed fans has unfortunately obscured some pretty damned fine music, IMNSHO. Hell, even I made a point of "hating" them for years just because the Deadheads in my fraternity were so damned obnoxious.

I said rock group, not rock groupies. Being a deadhead is not a display of musical taste, it is a fukking display of not having a fukking life. Rack the hell out of the dead for getting thousands of folks to live their lives for the sole purpose of making the next concert.

smackaholic wrote:I said rock group, not rock groupies.

What I was trying to point out that the mere mention of the Dead in some circles results in misplaced dismissal of their collective and individual talents and efforts, usually based on the behavior of their more...."devoted" fan base.

smackaholic wrote:

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Can anybody think of a notable rock group that has such a polarizing effect as Rush?

Grateful Dead.

The collective idiocy and lack of hygiene shown by their obsessed fans has unfortunately obscured some pretty damned fine music, IMNSHO. Hell, even I made a point of "hating" them for years just because the Deadheads in my fraternity were so damned obnoxious.

I said rock group, not rock groupies.

In this particular case, I would submit that the fans are having a polarizing effect on the band. You either love the Dead or you hate the Dead (probably because you hate the Deadheads). But without the Dead, there wouldn't be any Deadheads, or at least they'd have a different obsession (sin, Marcus).

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

patsy stone wrote:[Mostly the older stuff... "Time Stand Still," "Distant Early Warning," "Subdivisions,"!

AAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!


Shut up. Just shut the fuck up.

I'm an old man now. Before that, as a boy, I used to look forward to each new Rush album.

And then Grace Under Pressure came along. The era of the sellout/testosterone deminishing hit.

If you like GUP, then more power to you. But DO NOT refer to this as "old stuff" -- it was very clearly(to anybody who was familiar with the band at the time) the point at which "old stuff" became the "new stuff." This is a VERY CLEAR turning point for Rush, and no amout of you rewriting history will ever change that.

Actually, I saw Moving Pictures, or possibly Hemispheres before that, as the single biggest turning point for Rush. Quite a departure from 2112, at least in terms of being much more radio-friendly.

I can enjoy Rush's music from all eras, but I'm probably in the minority among their fans in that regard.

for me i'd say 'permanent waves' was the turning point as lee toned down the voice and put 'sor' and freewill on the radio..........jacobs ladder was an epcot opus goody with shades of the past

smackaholic wrote:Can anybody think of a notable rock group that has such a polarizing effect as Rush?

Upon further review, a few nominees . . .

Kiss
Van Halen
Black Sabbath
The Police (in this case, it was pretty much a backlash against Synchronicity that was driving it)
Styx (again, based on a single album, Kilroy Was Here, which alienated many of their longer-term fans)

Not saying that any of these bands has had the long-term polarizing effect that Rush has had, but, if only momentarily, each has been as polarizing at one point or another as Rush has ever been.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Can anybody think of a notable rock group that has such a polarizing effect as Rush?

Upon further review, a few nominees . . .

Kiss
Van Halen
Black Sabbath
The Police (in this case, it was pretty much a backlash against Synchronicity that was driving it)
Styx (again, based on a single album, Kilroy Was Here, which alienated many of their longer-term fans)

Not saying that any of these bands has had the long-term polarizing effect that Rush has had, but, if only momentarily, each has been as polarizing at one point or another as Rush has ever been.

I think we can also add Springsteen to that list.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

smackaholic wrote:Can anybody think of a notable rock group that has such a polarizing effect as Rush?

Upon further review, a few nominees . . .

Kiss
Van Halen
Black Sabbath
The Police (in this case, it was pretty much a backlash against Synchronicity that was driving it)
Styx (again, based on a single album, Kilroy Was Here, which alienated many of their longer-term fans)

Not saying that any of these bands has had the long-term polarizing effect that Rush has had, but, if only momentarily, each has been as polarizing at one point or another as Rush has ever been.

Good call on kiss, though I think that's more a ridiculous get up thing, than a music thing.

VH? Nahh. Most rockers liked them.

Sabbath? Also more of a style than music like/dislike thing, IMO.

The police? Nahh

Styx? Who?

I think you pretty much covered it in the last paragraph, terry. Rush's amazing longevity is part of the equation.

Others I should have added:

Lynyrd Skynyrd (file this omission under "D'Oh!")
Alice Cooper (although also more of a style thing than musical)

As for Geddy's vocals, while they're certainly unique (sin, Marcus), standing alone, they should not be a reason for Rush having such a polarizing effect. Let's face it, there are tons of rock vocalists who, how shall I say this charitably, will never be confused with Pavarotti. Just off the top of my head: Brian Johnson, Bon Scott (Johnson's predecessor), Bruce Springsteen, Bob Seger, Neil Young, David Lee Roth.

Dinsdale wrote:And then Grace Under Pressure came along. The era of the sellout/testosterone deminishing hit.

Did you honestly expect them to make the same album for 30 straight years?

I'd rather a band "sellout", if that means trying to do something different, than putting out the same old shit, time after time.

you forgot the king of shitty voices, bob dylan.