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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:47 pm
by mothster
BSmack wrote:Sudden Sam wrote:BSmack wrote:Sam,
Are you going to answer my post? Or would you rather ignore that little inconvienent truth?
My bad. i got carried away elsewhere.
Re-reading wolf, me and you, I'm not certain what you're asking, but...
My point to wolfie was that Roosevelt most assuredly didn't want to risk our entire fleet. Thus, the carriers, etc. weren't at Pearl.
I'm asking simply for you to explain the catastrophic military defeats suffered by the Allies in the eastern Pacific. If your scenario were true, they would certainly have known that their possessions in said area would be under imminent attack. Why did they not defend these possessions more adequately? Specifically, why did Roosevelt have a mere two armored battalions assigned to defend all of the Philippines if he knew the Japanese were going to be attacking?
Simply put, your theory has too many holes in it.
how's about we didn't have that much fleet for starters
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:00 pm
by BSmack
Sudden Sam wrote:You got me there. There's no doubt that we knew Japan was going to hit us. Doesn't make a lick of sense to have been so ill-prepared elsewhere in the region. But we weren't much of a military power at that point either.
We may not have been the greatest power in the world at that time. But we damn sure had more at our disposal to defend the Philippines than 22,000 regular army infantry and 8,500 National Guard troops.
Simply put, if the battle plan was to lure the Japanese into attacking Pearl, then the next logical measure would have been to beef up the defense of the Philippines as a platform to launch the inevitable counterattack. That did not happen.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:06 pm
by Moorese
JCT wrote:the Japs
I believe they prefer to be called "Nips."
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:09 pm
by BSmack
Moorese wrote:JCT wrote:the Japs
I believe they prefer to be called "Nips."
If they weren't so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:17 pm
by Mike the Lab Rat
Oh, and it also turns out that FDR could walk.
That bastard!
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:35 pm
by Mister Bushice
Moorese wrote:JCT wrote:the Japs
I believe they prefer to be called "Nips."
And they're very tasty when coated in chocolate:
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:18 am
by Tom In VA
mvscal wrote:Tom In VA wrote:Crap, even that can be turned to the conspiracy theorists favor as could BSmack's query about why would we "give up" the Philipines.
We didn't "give up" the Philippines. We fought the Japs tooth and nail for it.
Relax Mr.Hand, the quotes were there for a reason. I'm fully aware of how hard our boys and philipino boys fought for that island.
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:23 am
by Mister Bushice
Tom In VA wrote:mvscal wrote:Tom In VA wrote:Crap, even that can be turned to the conspiracy theorists favor as could BSmack's query about why would we "give up" the Philipines.
We didn't "give up" the Philippines. We fought the Japs tooth and nail for it.
Relax Mr.Hand, the quotes were there for a reason. I'm fully aware of how hard our boys and philipino boys fought for that island.
Yeah, All 7,100 of it. ;)
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:29 am
by Tom In VA
Thanks Bushice, I think I'm done now.