smackaholic wrote:BTW, as for bad parts of town in upstate ny, from what I've seen there isn't really a bad part. not really a good part, either.
Probably a pretty good description of the more rural portions of upstate NY. Not a whole lot of abject poverty here, but you won't find any significant wealth here, either, except in really scattered pockets.
Just lots of boarded up places, retirees who refuse to move south and the scattered lawyer/school teacher.
Retirees are required to move south? News to me.
I admit that my exposure to upstate is kinda limited. Did a week in Utica right smack dab in the middle of bil clinton's best economy in an eon. Well, guess what, that boom sure as hell missed that hole. A few years back we went to niagra falls for a weekend. It made Utica look like beverly hills.
I haven't been to Utica in about forever, so I can't speak to that. As for Niagara Falls, you're about right. In fact, I would advise anyone considering a visit to Niagara Falls to go to the Canadian side -- the falls are more spectacular, and there's more to do. Although in fairness, the American side does have a nice casino, if you like that sort of thing, and they're in the process of building a sizeable water park, along with an Outlet Mall which my wife adores. :brad:
Are there any parts of upstate other than maybe albany which, like DC, will do well until they kill off the last taxpayer, that has what you can call a robust economy? How 'bout a half decent one? We did drive through the Crapchester burbs on the way back. That had what appeared to be an almost decent amount of activity. Unlike other town, most of the bidnesses actually appeared to be occupied.
For the size of Crapchester, a disproportionate number of people do, or at least in the past have, worked for Fortune 100 companies. Kodak, Xerox, Bausch & Lomb and Champion Products all had their corporate headquarters here at one time. Xerox moved their headquarters in the 1960's or 1970's, and Champion moved about a decade ago, but the first three all have maintained at least a sizeable presence here, and that's probably not about to change anytime soon.
The problem is that all three are cutting jobs here. Many jobs are being outsourced out of the area, and many of the jobs that remain here are being hired out through temp agencies so that they can get away with not paying benefits.
Terry, you get 30 mpg? Is that down hill with a tail wind.
30 mpg on the highway. About 26 if I gotta do stop-and-go.