BCS PREDICTIONS

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:00 am

vans has more takes on cfb?

where are the yawn emoticons

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:02 am

Adel comes rolling in right on cue to suckle at my tired loins again?

Where are the are you ever going to post anything anywhere that anybody ever noticed emoticons?

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:04 am

Van wrote:Adel comes rolling in right on cue to suckle at my tired loins again?

Where are the are you ever going to post anything anywhere that anybody ever noticed emoticons?

what the fuck are you talking about?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:06 am

Look closely. I followed the verbiage you used in your post, to a tee. However, to make it simpler for you, try it this way...

Where are the "are you ever going to post anything anywhere that anybody ever noticed" emoticons?

M2 · Post by M2 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:15 am

Van wrote:Look closely. I followed the verbiage you used in your post, to a tee. However, to make it simpler for you, try it this way...

Where are the "are you ever going to post anything anywhere that anybody ever noticed" emoticons?

No, Van the Liar...

here is your original post.

"

Van wrote:
"Where are the are you ever going to post anything anywhere that anybody ever noticed emoticons?

Is that "English 101" at USK???

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:21 am

Van wrote:MuchoBulls, the criteria for playing in the BCS Title Game needs to be a lot higher than simply "not being a bad team by any means"...

Utah and Boise State both ran the table and neither were ever going to get a sniff at the title game, and rightfully so. Same deal this season with W. Virginia. When your only potential "quality wins" consist of Maryland, Pitt and Louisville, well, no. You don't get into the title game, not even over many a one loss team...

Bottom line, here's why W. Virginia cannot play in the title game, not unless they run the table and there aren't at least two other one loss teams out there by season's end...

W. Viginia's 2006 schedule

-Marshall (joke)

-Eastern Washington (unconscionable joke)

-Maryland (THIS passes for a big game??)

-at East Carolina (WTF??)

-at Mississippi State (doormat)

-Syracuse (make it hoops instead of football and okay, now we're talking...)

-at Connecticut (WTF, Part II?? Do they even play football?)

-at Louisville (BFD)

-Cincinnati (dammit, this is FOOTBALL season, not hoops!)

-at Pitt (unless Dorsett and/or Marino is playing, this is just another hoops game)

-South Florida (how many joke games can one team have on one schedule??)

-Rutgers (Ooooohhh! The Scarlet Pimpernels...)

12 games, only five roadies and only game on the entire schedule that they'll even need to be awake for in order to win. Texas, OSU, USC and probably even ND would walk through that joke of a schedule without their first teamers ever needing to play an entire game.

Is it W. Virginia's fault the ACC poached their best teams? Nope.

Is it W. Virginia's fault that they play in W. Virginia, where the other local teams/rivalries are all dogshit except for Va Tech? Nope. (Though there's no excuse for Va Tech and W. Virginia not playing each other every year. That one should be as automatic as OSU-Michigan or ND-USC...)

So, no, it's not entirely W. Virginia's fault. Doesn't matter. It wasn't Boise State's or Utah's fault either. Bottom line, when you play in THAT poor of a conference then you have to schedule like a motherfucker OOC and even then it may not be enough, not when teams like USC already schedule like a motherfucker OOC.

You simply can't play for the title after coasting all season long on a diet of nonstop creampuffs. A one loss OSU-Penn State-Texas-USC-Auburn-LSU will always be far more deserving.

Van,

You can fault WVU for a schedule that is made up years in advance. The state of WV forced them to play Marshall. I do have no idea why they stopped playing VT. The Big East is going to be very competitive this season. WVU has a tough game at Louisville (I still think Louisville will win the Big East), we are not that much of a pushover (we're still the only team to hold WVU under 30 points since White took over), Rutgers will be better, and they go to Pitt, which is a big rivalry game. If they go undefeated and there aren't more than 2 undefeated BCS teams, then they do deserve to go to the BCS Title game.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 am

m2, I think we can all agree that the notion of you giving me lessons in English syntax and grammar is more implausible than the notion of Kal ever sacking up and doing its conference proud but let's review anyway, since I clearly stated why I wrote it in such a manner...

Adel wrote:where are the yawn emoticons

Note that the word "yawn" appears in between the words "the" and "emoticons".

Now, as I said, I intentionally followed his example, to a tee...

Where are the are you ever going to post anything anywhere that anybody ever noticed emoticons?

...meaning, I intentionally wrote it as a run on sentence without proper punctuation. While silly and incorrect, obviously, I certainly didn't expect it to prove to be such a puzzler for you and Adel. So, I explained how to better make sense of it, by adding in the necessary quotes, which I intentionally omitted.

M2 · Post by M2 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:29 am

Van, you sound like a "chick" that can't shut the fuck up, when everyone at the party can't stand hearing a rambling bitch.

Comprende?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:30 am

Mucho, nope, they don't.

If OSU loses to Texas and then wins out and Texas loses to OU or somebody but that's their only loss then both those teams will deserve to get in before an undefeated W. Virginia team. So too will any one loss team from the SEC...

Like I said, I don't blame W. Virginia, any more than I blame Boise State or Utah. That's their schedule. That's what they have in front of them. As the kids say these days, "It is what it is..."

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:35 am

m2 wrote:Van, you sound like a "chick" that can't shut the fuck up, when everyone at the party can't stand hearing a rambling bitch.

Comprende?

m2, as much as I've (almost by my lonesome) always enjoyed your shtick here make no mistake, you and your comical Kal ramblings have carried that exact mantle you just described ever since you logged onto this board.

Above even Cicero and Bradhusker you've been nothing but a punchline here, for years. Probably nobody else's posts here are taken less seriously than yours.

Fact. And no, I don't expect you to comprende...

M2 · Post by M2 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:44 am

Van, you're a mess... and let it go.

You're a 43 year old male that has never had a drink..

... never took a hit of pot.

... never went to University.

had a thing for a black women on this board, so you get get your "Jungle Fever on...

yet reverted to the way you were raised... '"a bigot southern californian".

Let me know where "I'm" wrong?

Thanks

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:50 am

m2 wrote:You're a 43 year old male that has never had a drink..

True.

... never took a hit of pot.

True.

... never went to University.

False.

had a thing for a black women on this board, so you get get your "Jungle Fever on...

False.

yet reverted to the way you were raised... '"a bigot southern californian".

False.

Let me know where "I'm" wrong?

2 for 5, or about the same as your defense's ratio of plays in which they keep their opponent under 10 yards.

Thanks

No problem. Any time...

Btw, Chewbacca and Boomshakalaka remain utterly stupid things to name one's children.

M2 · Post by M2 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:55 am

Van wrote:
Btw, Chewbacca and Boomshakalaka remain utterly stupid things to name one's children.

Link to anyone who has named their children this?

I only ask... since socal's/you are notorious for lying.

Thanks

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:00 am

Van wrote:Mucho, nope, they don't.

If OSU loses to Texas and then wins out and Texas loses to OU or somebody but that's their only loss then both those teams will deserve to get in before an undefeated W. Virginia team. So too will any one loss team from the SEC...

Like I said, I don't blame W. Virginia, any more than I blame Boise State or Utah. That's their schedule. That's what they have in front of them. As the kids say these days, "It is what it is..."

If that scenario were to play out, then you can just throw out the entire BCS. A team who starts the year at #5 and runs the table should be at least #1 or #2 if there is none or one other undefeated team.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:09 am

Yes, we should throw out the entire BCS. No doubt about it.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:14 am

m2 wrote:
Van wrote:
Btw, Chewbacca and Boomshakalaka remain utterly stupid things to name one's children.
Link to anyone who has named their children this?

One (more) horrible road loss where you utterly embarrass your conference and suddenly you completely lose your sense of humor??

That's not the m2 I used to know!

M2 · Post by M2 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:14 am

Van the Avoider wrote:Yes, we should throw out the entire BCS. No doubt about it.

Two posts up champ... answer the question, bigot.

M2 · Post by M2 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:17 am

Van wrote:
m2 wrote:
Van wrote:
Btw, Chewbacca and Boomshakalaka remain utterly stupid things to name one's children.
Link to anyone who has named their children this?
One (more) horrible road loss where you utterly embarrass your conference and suddenly you completely lose your sense of humor??

That's not the m2 I used to know!

subliminal humor isn't my thing, unless it's making fun of one of my own.

Are you "black" Van?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:33 am

Baraka and Dumaka, m2. Close enough.

Are you really old, all of a sudden??

"Get off my lawn!"

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:13 am

Van wrote:If OSU loses to Texas and then wins out and Texas loses to OU or somebody but that's their only loss then both those teams will deserve to get in before an undefeated W. Virginia team. So too will any one loss team from the SEC...

Totally agree.

Yes, we should throw out the entire BCS. No doubt about it.

Are you being sarcastic here? Like Mucho said, under the current system, W.Va. would likely get a shot ahead of another team in the scenario you mentioned. Complete bullshit, imo, but that's the way it would be under the current system, which you have defended rigorously in the past.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:18 am

in order to play it out you would have to first stop teams from playing the north texas', florida atlantic, louisiana monroes of the world.

socal · Post by **socal** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:14 am

m2 wrote:I only ask... since socal's/you are notorious for lying.

Hruh???

M2 · Post by M2 » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:23 am

socal wrote:
m2 wrote:I only ask... since socal's/you are notorious for lying.
Hruh???

San Clemente ring a bell???

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:49 am

MuchoBulls wrote:I do have no idea why they stopped playing VT.

I certainly can't speak for West Virginia's athletic director, but if I had to guess, it probably has something to do with the whole deal about Virginia Tech bolting the Big East for the ACC a couple of years back.

Yes, West Virginia continued to play them until this year, but sometimes it takes a few years to get out of a long-term obligation. For example, Penn State continued to play ND for a few years after Penn State joined the Big Ten, but the series eventually ended anyway. Would anybody posit that Penn State joining the Big Ten was not the reason, or at least a substantial reason, why that series ended?

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:57 pm

Sounds like that could very well be the reason there Terry. I don't know if there is more ill will toward VT leaving because we have 3 future games with Miami (2 in Tampa) and we are trying to finalize a deal to play them every season.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:26 pm

Van wrote:MuchoBulls, the criteria for playing in the BCS Title Game needs to be a lot higher than simply "not being a bad team by any means"...

Utah and Boise State both ran the table and neither were ever going to get a sniff at the title game, and rightfully so. Same deal this season with W. Virginia. When your only potential "quality wins" consist of Maryland, Pitt and Louisville, well, no. You don't get into the title game, not even over many a one loss team...

Bottom line, here's why W. Virginia cannot play in the title game, not unless they run the table and there aren't at least two other one loss teams out there by season's end...

W. Viginia's 2006 schedule

-Marshall (joke)

-Eastern Washington (unconscionable joke)

-Maryland (THIS passes for a big game??)

-at East Carolina (WTF??)

-at Mississippi State (doormat)

-Syracuse (make it hoops instead of football and okay, now we're talking...)

-at Connecticut (WTF, Part II?? Do they even play football?)

-at Louisville (BFD)

-Cincinnati (dammit, this is FOOTBALL season, not hoops!)

-at Pitt (unless Dorsett and/or Marino is playing, this is just another hoops game)

-South Florida (how many joke games can one team have on one schedule??)

-Rutgers (Ooooohhh! The Scarlet Pimpernels...)

12 games, only five roadies and only game on the entire schedule that they'll even need to be awake for in order to win. Texas, OSU, USC and probably even ND would walk through that joke of a schedule without their first teamers ever needing to play an entire game.

Again, Van, the problem is that most of West Virginia's schedule is spoken for. They can't do anything about their conference schedule (the last seven games). As for their non-conference schedule, as Mucho pointed out, they have to play Marshall every year by legislative fiat. They have a traditional rivalry with Maryland that their fan base expects to see renewed every year (the closest comparison I can provide to that is ND-Michigan State, although that one is more high-profile, and ND-Michigan is much more high profile). So they have only three games per year that they can schedule on a discretionary basis. I'll agree that there's no excuse for Eastern Washington for a team with legitimate national championship aspirations. As for East Carolina and Mississippi State, while neither team will ever be mistaken for a college football superpower, both games are roadies, in potentially hostile environments, and Mississippi State plays in what most on this board regard as the toughest conference in the country.

As for the 7-and-5 breakdown, I suspect that has something to do with the fact that the Big East now has seven conference games and five non-conference games. My guess is that the Big East allows teams to schedule those separately, which permitted West Virginia to have three non-conference home games the same year that they have four conference home games. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's probably the explanation.

Is it W. Virginia's fault the ACC poached their best teams? Nope.

Is it W. Virginia's fault that they play in W. Virginia, where the other local teams/rivalries are all dogshit except for Va Tech? Nope. (Though there's no excuse for Va Tech and W. Virginia not playing each other every year. That one should be as automatic as OSU-Michigan or ND-USC...)

So, no, it's not entirely W. Virginia's fault. Doesn't matter. It wasn't Boise State's or Utah's fault either. Bottom line, when you play in THAT poor of a conference then you have to schedule like a motherfucker OOC and even then it may not be enough, not when teams like USC already schedule like a motherfucker OOC.

One difference between West Virginia, on the one hand, and Utah or Boise State, on the other, is that West Virginia plays in a conference which still has an automatic BCS bid. And that probably affects, at least on a subliminal level, the human pollsters, whose votes, of course, play a role in determining final BCS standings. You can argue that the Big East doesn't deserve an automatic bid anymore, fine. But the time to make that argument was when the new BCS rules were being formulated. Too late now, at least until the end of next season, to change that.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:21 pm

RF, no, I wasn't being sarcastic. As soon as it'd be viable to do so I'd love to see the entire BCS system flushed and no, I've never defended it, vigorously or otherwise. I've always thought (and stated) that the BCS is a joke.

-No playoffs. Not even a Plus One. Horrible.

-Ranking teams before they even play a game, rather than waiting until about mid season before we begin ranking 'em so that we actually have a feel for 'em. Horrible.

-Giving automatic BCS bids to conference tie ins, regardless of how bad those conference winners might be in any given year. Horrible.

-Allowing teams to schedule many more home games than roadies, especially when those home games aren't home and home series and especially when it's teams like Texas and LSU scheduling teams they will never have any business playing. Then, even though those games were merely scrimmages in full pads, we count 'em on the official records. Horrible.

-No playoffs. Not even a Plus One. Did I mention how horrible that is? Horrible.

-Lou Holtz, on my tv. The most horrible of all.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:43 pm

Van wrote:-Giving automatic BCS bids to conference tie ins, regardless of how bad those conference winners might be in any given year. Horrible.

Since this is more than likely directed at the Big East I figured I would respond. You could use your arguement for the 2004 Pitt team that won the Big East BCS bid. That was also the first year after Miami and VT left, so it's a bit ridiculous to think someone was going to fill those shoes right away.

Now that the Conference is a bit more settled, a couple of teams have come to the forefront a lot sooner than anyone expected and I think that upsets people at how quickly the Big East was able to recover. WVU played Georiga in a virtual home game for the Bulldogs and WVU beat them, so it's a bit unfair to knock the league now. Teams such as Louisville and WVU are not "bad".

How big of an uproar will there be if 2 Big East East teams make the BCS this year? There is a real possiblity of this occuring if Louisville runs the table (even with Bush out they are still loaded on offense) and WVU's only loss it to Louisville.

It's time to cut the Big East a break. There are some good teams in the league.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:34 pm

Van, my bad.

I guess it was the heated arguments in the past on USC/OU/Auburn and who should be in the MNC game that had me thinking you favored the BCS.

We're on the same page regarding our disdain for the system. :smile:

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:35 pm

RF, yeah, actually it was those heated arguments that sealed the deal for me in terms of hating the BCS.

'03, in particular, obviously.

Mucho, nope, it's not yet time to give the Big East a break. They haven't earned it yet and with OOC schedules like W. Virginia's they aren't doing themselves any favors either...

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:36 pm

MuchoBulls wrote:How big of an uproar will there be if 2 Big East East teams make the BCS this year? There is a real possiblity of this occuring if Louisville runs the table (even with Bush out they are still loaded on offense) and WVU's only loss it to Louisville.

That's not nearly as far-fetched a possibility as some might think. Consider the current AP poll. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/polls?poll=1&date=

Now, let's project hypothetically that these are the final regular season BCS standings. Let's further assume that the highest-ranked team from each conference gets the automatic bid from that conference. Under that assumption, automatic bids go as follows:

ACC: Florida State
Big East: West Virginia
Big 10: Ohio State
Big 12: Texas
Pac-10: USC
SEC: Auburn

Four at-large bids are awarded among teams in the Top 14 who do not receive automatic bids. ND gets one automatically based on their rank. Louisville also would get one automatically through the back door: The BCS can only consider teams in the Top 14 for at-large bids, and cannot award more than one at-large bid to any conference. The contenders for at-large bids:

Notre Dame (independent)
Florida (SEC)
LSU (SEC)
Georgia (SEC)
Tennessee (SEC)
Louisville (Big East)
Michigan (Big 10)
Iowa (Big 10)

The BCS would be required to award one at-large bid to ND, one to Louisville, one to an SEC team (Florida, LSU, Georgia or Tennessee) and one to a Big 10 team (Michigan or Iowa).

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:37 pm

Not far fetched, no, just pathetic because it's very possible.

Btw, speaking of pathetic, check out the OOC schedules of Va Tech (Kent State, Cincinnati AND D1-AA Northeastern!), W. Virginia (Eastern Washington and E. Carolina) and FSU. Man, I can't stand when a team sets it up like FSU, with eight home games and only four roadies and their OOC schedule consists of home game scrimmages against Troy, W. Michigan and Rice...That's just disgusting.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:35 am

Van wrote:Not far fetched, no, just pathetic because it's very possible.

Again, why is this pathetic? You've already made light of WVU's poor OOC schedule. I haven't seen why you haven't said the same for Louisville. There are not many teams that are going to light up the scoreboard the way Louisville will. I didn't think it was a "pathetic" thing to see a team light up the scoreboard. Once Louisville finds a defense they will be extremely tough to beat. WVU has a good D and they can also put points on the board. They are a good team and they showed why in the Sugar Bowl.

Pitt and Rutgers should be pretty good this season as well, so the Big is climbing back rather quickly as a conference.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:22 am

MuchoBulls wrote:
Van wrote:Not far fetched, no, just pathetic because it's very possible.
Again, why is this pathetic?

Because there isn't even one team in that conference who plays a difficult enough schedule to warrant a BCS invite, much less two...much less a BCS championship game invite.

You've already made light of WVU's poor OOC schedule. I haven't seen why you haven't said the same for Louisville.

Between Va Tech's ridiculously easy schedule and FSU's and the ridiculous bullshit schedules of so many other teams I don't think's enough bandwidth here to point out every single team like Louisville who gave themselves a pathetically easy schedule. However, if we're going to go down that road then yeah, certainly Louisville also merits a dubious mention too.

There are not many teams that are going to light up the scoreboard the way Louisville will.

Considering Louisville's opponents, probably not. Let Texas, OSU, USC, Auburn or quite a few other good teams play Louisville's schedule and we'd be seeing LOTS of teams lighting up the scoreboard the way Louisville will.

Conversely, make W. Virginia or Louisville play LSU's, USC's or Ohio State's entire schedule and Louisville's points production and win-loss record would go WAY down...

Those are the types of teams that deserve BCS title game recognition: the teams that prove it all year long against real competition.

I didn't think it was a "pathetic" thing to see a team light up the scoreboard.

Neither do I, provided the opponent has some ability to prevent it.

Once Louisville finds a defense they will be extremely tough to beat.

They don't even need a defense. They just need to keep playing nobodies. See, this whole premise is flawed. People are assuming Louisville has a great offense. Why? They haven't shown it week in, week out against real competition. Putting up big offensive numbers proves nothing when it's accomplished by playing against a bunch of defenses made up of people who can't help themselves from licking the windows during the bus ride to the stadium...

Out here in the West we call that UCLA Syndrome.

WVU has a good D and they can also put points on the board. They are a good team and they showed why in the Sugar Bowl.

They don't even make the Sugar Bowl if they have to get up for more than one game per year. Stick 'em in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12 or Pac 10 and they don't get a sniff at a BCS game. By the time they played Georgia they were playing their Super Bowl against a dispirited team that really didn't give a rip about being there against W. Virginia.

Pitt and Rutgers should be pretty good this season as well, so the Big is climbing back rather quickly as a conference.

Pitt and Rutgers would be two to three TD dogs against the top teams from the real major conferences. Make Pitt or Rutgers have to travel to the Horseshoe, the Coliseum or Austin and the spread likely jumps to four or more TDs. Simply put, there's nobody in that depleted conference who matters in the least, not yet, not one team. Whatever rankings and notoriety that is enjoyed by W. Virginia or Lousiville right now is strictly being built on a diet of creampuffs. No team in that conference is going to truly deserve a high ranking until they go OOC to schedule the likes of Penn State, ND, Florida and Texas, at least two per season, and they're going to have to agree to home and home series against teams like that and then win those series. Until then, all they have is one middling game per each regular season followed by a yawner of a bowl game and that's never going to get it done for them anymore than it ever has for teams like Utah and Boise State...

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:39 am

Stick 'em in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12 or Pac 10 and they don't get a sniff at a BCS game.

Van, although you write well and use a lot of big words, your flaws are pretty evident.

You base many, many of your arguments on things you merely hypothesize on. Just because you say WVU wouldn't compete in those conferences, or "get a sniff at a BCS game," as you put it, (which I assume means "can't compete", because if you can't compete in a major conference, you're not vying for BCS games) doesn't make it so.

The very fact they went out and proved they could beat one of the better teams out of one of the conferences you mentioned, on a big national TV-type of scale, would be reason enough to prove they could compete on a weekly basis with teams from those conferences. It just makes sense, logically.

In the greater picture, I agree with you on this matter, but for slightly different reasons, which I mentioned in a prior post.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:43 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Stick 'em in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12 or Pac 10 and they don't get a sniff at a BCS game.
Van, although you write well and use a lot of big words, your flaws are pretty evident.

You base many, many of your arguments on things you merely hypothesize on.

So what? This is a college football board, not rocket science. Most of what's debated here is by definition always going to be nothing but pure opinion and conjecture. Most of the time, nothing can ever be proven.

This is obviously one of those times.

Somehow though, nope, I don't think I'd lose any sleep over predicting that W. Virginia or Louisville wouldn't gain that automatic BCS bid if they played in those conferences I mentioned. In order to gain the automatic bid they get right now for winning the Big East they'd have to play the entire conference schedule and somehow manage to finish above USC or Texas or OSU or Auburn/LSU.

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me you think (much less could prove) that any current Big East team could do that?

Hell no, you don't.

Just because you say WVU wouldn't compete in those conferences, or "get a sniff at a BCS game," as you put it, (which I assume means "can't compete", because if you can't compete in a major conference, you're not vying for BCS games) doesn't make it so.

But it is so, and you know it's so. Playing a full season in those conferences who's W. Virginia going to beat out to gain the automatic conference bid? USC? Texas? Who??

The very fact they went out and proved they could beat one of the better teams out of one of the conferences you mentioned, on a big national TV-type of scale, would be reason enough to prove they could compete on a weekly basis with teams from those conferences. It just makes sense, logically.

No, it really doesn't. It merely proves that one team who's hyped up can beat a bored and dispirited team who isn't...especially in a weird situation bowl game. That doesn't translate at all to meaning they could also go through an entire conference schedule of games against teams that need to beat them in order to achieve their goals.

Getting up for one bowl game is easy. Going on the road in a loaded conference and having to take down better teams in their own stadiums, week in, week out....That's an entirely different story. I have ZERO problem saying W. Virginia couldn't win the Big 10, Big 12, SEC or Pac 10. Too many landmines all over the place, with a major battleship or two sitting there at the end that'd just be way too much for W. Virginia.

Bottom line, USC, Texas or OSU would thoroughly stomp W. Virginia in a game of equal importance to both teams. You know too much about this shit to even try to pretend otherwise.

In the greater picture, I agree with you on this matter, but for slightly different reasons, which I mentioned in a prior post.

Let 'em prove it, OOC, with a full plate each year.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:16 am

Van wrote:
MuchoBulls wrote:You've already made light of WVU's poor OOC schedule. I haven't seen why you haven't said the same for Louisville.
Between Va Tech's ridiculously easy schedule and FSU's and the ridiculous bullshit schedules of so many other teams I don't think's enough bandwidth here to point out every single team like Louisville who gave themselves a pathetically easy schedule. However, if we're going to go down that road then yeah, certainly Louisville also merits a dubious mention too.

Louisville's OOC schedule, fwiw . . .

Kentucky (I believe the Kentucky legislature mandates this game)
@ Temple
Miami
@ Kansas State
@ Middle Tennessee State

Not the most difficult OOC schedule in the country, but not the easiest, either. There are some challenges in there (although the Kansas State would have been more challenging a few years back).

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:58 pm

Terry,

While Louisville's OOC isn't as difficult as other teams, they do have Miami and have to go to K State. Granted, K State is down, but I am sure that Louisville didn't know they would be when they signed to play there. I'm sure that there aren't many big time BCS programs who are going to want to sign a series of games with Louisville right now.

Van,

How do you determine what is a "full plate" in regards to an OOC. There are only like 5 BCS programs playing an entire 1 A schedule, Louisville being one of them. I'm sure that WVU wouldn't hesitate to play Ohio State, USC, or Texas if the those teams we willing to play a series against the Mountaineers. As of now, the only way WVU can get a game of "equal importance" with the schools you mentioned is by playing them in a BCS game. To try and imply that Georgia was "bored and dispirited", especially playing a virtual home game, is ridiculous.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:11 pm

Mucho, I'm not trying to imply anything, I'm stating it clearly, with no reservations. Georgia wasn't nearly as excited to be playing in that game as W. Virginia was, and W. Virginia doesn't get into that game if they'd had to run through the entire SEC (or Big 10, Big 12 or Pac 10) schedule just to get there.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:26 pm

MuchoBulls wrote:Terry,

While Louisville's OOC isn't as difficult as other teams, they do have Miami and have to go to K State. Granted, K State is down, but I am sure that Louisville didn't know they would be when they signed to play there. I'm sure that there aren't many big time BCS programs who are going to want to sign a series of games with Louisville right now.

Yup, if you've got two ranked, or at least very good BCS-type teams on your schedule, then you tend to get a free pass for the patsies (as well you should, considering it's just flat out smart to schedule at least one). But yeah, if your schedule is loaded with nothing but the lower tier "mid majors" and a D1AA, then there's simply no excuse for that. Van has to be happy many of SC's out of conference foes turned out to be solid squads. That win at Auburn SC fans still like to masterbate to...they seem to conveniently forgot that was a .500 Auburn team around the time of scheduling.