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Well, name the world-class Christer? Seriously, a great scientist, artist, civic leader, author or businessman who's possessed of that Born Again-type religious fervor. Who?

Athletes don't count.

Why are Jews successful in America? Because they've been free to be secular. Go ahead, name ONE great religious Jew. Who? Soon-to-be-unemployed Joe Lieberman? Just kidding. Who else?

And I don't just mean our current era, I mean all-time.

The list of great secular Jews is long and varied. It starts with Spinoza.

The list of great Christers is tiny--who's on it at ALL?

Nick,

Belief in the risen Christ is NOT a religion, it is a faith.
Man took that an turned it into a religion and it largely sucks.
Make no mistake, man fucks up EVERYTHING.

Nicky wrote:And I've never seen, read, or met anyone particularly intelligent who's a Christer.

You're outing yourself as an unparallelled bonehead then.
What an amazingly idiotic statement that was.

The list is VERRAH lengthy, 'tard.

For starters.......

Sir Isaac Newton
Blaise Pascal
Nicolaus Copernicus
John Calvin
Abraham Lincoln
George Washington
Martin Luther King Jr.
Tom Landry
Sam Walton
Jim Irwin
The Wright Brothers
poptart
On and on ... and ON ... the list goes, 'tard.

Jim Irwin

Rack poptart......

M2 wrote:Hmmm.... where to go with this.

Qualifiable? Maybe... if my brain was stuck in second gear.

Yeah, given the choice between having your brain stuck in second gear or stuck firmly in your sphincter, where it obviously is, I'd wish for second gear, too.

poptart wrote:Nick,

Belief in the risen Christ is NOT a religion, it is a faith.
Man took that an turned it into a religion and it largely sucks.
Make no mistake, man fucks up EVERYTHING.




the list goes, 'tard.

Wrong, P-tart, Christianity is a first and last a cult, which having become the official religion of Rome became a Religion, capital R. It has remained a religion--in every element of its character and purpose. As you can probably observe, members of a cult never admit that they belong to a cult. But that doesn't change the fact.

As for your list, it's amusing. But let's look closer...

Sir Isaac Newton-- was a Mason and his Christianity, while pronounced, was not of the Born-Again-type at all

Blaise Pascal-- having suffered terrible physical ailments all his life, and then barely escaping death (his coach hanging over a cliff) he indeed was traumatized into a fervered core of religiousity until his death at 39.

Nicolaus Copernicus--like Galilleo, was threatened by Christians--his great discoveries being directly opposed to Christian doctrine and meaning--and his nominal adherence to the Faith was a practical move to escape Christian persecution.

John Calvin--the latter-day incarnation of Augustine, was French and insane, not necessarily in that order. There is nothing whatsoever great or even good about Calvin. In fact he's one of the most demented figures of history.

Abraham Lincoln--never spoke of Jesus or anything like that. His expression of Christianity was basically limited to visiting an Old Testament wrath upon a defeated enemy. He got what he deserved.

George Washington--a Mason first and foremost, Washington fought to promote a permanent seperation of church and state in the formation of America.

Martin Luther King Jr.--a confirmed plagarist in college, King was a lock-step supporter of Israel, though I suppose he's your best candidate.

Tom Landry--a brain-dead Christer, indeed, but not great in any sense--and besides, I already pointed out--for hopefully obvious reasons--that athletes don't count. And that surely includes coaches.

Sam Walton--is great...why?...because his penny-pinching, union-busting, outsource-inducing, benefit-cutting model of retailing has prevailed?

Jim Irwin--searching Mount Ararat for Noah's Ark, using his astronaut experience to spread Born-Again-ism, is not great, though becoming an astronaut is a significant achievement.

The Wright Brothers--sons of a traveling "bishop" could hardly be expected to escape the contagion of the cloth, as it were, but the Wright borthers were not pronounced in their relgiousity.

poptart--giving to spouting rote sound-bites from the standard cult doctrine, his character is basically that of his sig--an empty unhealthy snack.

On and on ... and ON ... (?????)

What, no great religious Jews?

I guess you've been told before that you're full of shit .... ?

I promised a 'friend' of mine I'd post his takes on this topic.
Probably shouldn't have made the promise .... but did, so here are his takes.

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poptart wrote:Frankly speaking, they totally DOMINATE the media/entertainment playing field.

Link? Proof? Or just innuendo? Or you are a racist idiot?

poptart wrote:Well, they dominate a lot more than this area but that is where I chose to put the focus.

Everytime I see a person use 'they' to describe a race...doesn't that always mean a racist shit head wrote it? And also where else do 'they' dominate?

Link? Proof? Or racist idiot?

Replace "jew" with "black", or "white" or "hispanic".

And instead of media/entertainment, use "sports".

What would that post look like then?

Lots of people have lost jobs because of such stereotypes and blatant racism, and/or been disgraced.

But, this is just a BBS.

poptart wrote: Belief in the risen Christ is NOT a religion, it is a faith.
Man took that an turned it into a religion and it largely sucks.
Make no mistake, man fucks up EVERYTHING.

Well, why didn't you say that in the FIRST place.

And only that.

For me, I just accept Jewish people for who they are, individually, and not try to sterotype them. As I do for any person. The religion of Judaism is cool too. We all have the same Messiah. Just different time's of acceptance. I just saw some hate in your posts. It's all good though.

Religion is man's search for God.

Christianity is God's search for man.

Also, Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world".

Exactly! I disagree with any belief system/denomination/cult that tries to bring about God's will, political-wise or religiously, on the planet.

All things will end, and He who was first will be last.

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If anyone wants further discussion with him they know where to find him.

Sorry for the interruption.

psycho wrote:Well, why didn't you say that ('that'= Belief in the risen Christ is NOT a religion, it is a faith.
Man took that an turned it into a religion and it largely sucks.
Make no mistake, man fucks up EVERYTHING.) in the FIRST place.

Because it wasn't the topic of the thread.
My comments there were in RESPONSE to what Nicky had to say when HE went off topic.

psycho wrote:Link? Proof? Or just innuendo? Or you are a racist idiot? Everytime I see a person use 'they' to describe a race...doesn't that always mean a racist shit head wrote it?

Find your own links.
There's plenty of info on the subject.
And no, speaking to an issue of race does not make one a racist.
If someone want to start a topic about why blacks dominate in sports I'll be happy to give my takes on it.
No biggie.

poptart wrote: If someone want to start a topic about why blacks dominate in sports...

Blacks dont dominate in sports. Their white owners do.

Black athletes are hardly "top of the food chain" in the sports world.

Thanks for the tip.

Brilliance all around me.

Sorry, Popper, I can't make sense of the preceeding gibberish you've offered.

Stay on topic! "Jews Everywhere!"

Now, name some Great religious Jews in the world (and Moses, etc. doesn't count).

Name them and then we can end this silly thread.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Now, name some Great religious Jews in the world (and Moses, etc. doesn't count).

Name them and then we can end this silly thread.

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LTS TRN 2 wrote:Now, name some Great religious Jews in the world (and Moses, etc. doesn't count).

Name them and then we can end this silly thread.

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Classic. RACK!

BWWWWAAAAAaaaaaa

Is that Zero Mostel? I like it, but I don't think he counts. Henry K, of course, is utterly satanic, while Dick was a nominal Quaker.

RACK Luth.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Now, name some Great religious Jews in the world (and Moses, etc. doesn't count).

Name them and then we can end this silly thread.

The topic of the thread was spelled out by me in the opening post.

YOU are the guy diverting it into .... Christianity blows, no great religious Jews ... etc.

Jews dominate media/entertainment (and are a POWERFUL influence in many other areas).
All of this despite accounting for a mere 2% of the US population.
This is a FACT, and my question is .... why is this so?

You've effectively expressed your hated of Christians and Jews, but have not addressed the topic much at all.

Oy... holy fuckstein. Who Farted! Luth

poptart wrote: Jews dominate media/entertainment (and are a POWERFUL influence in many other areas).
All of this despite accounting for a mere 2% of the US population.
This is a FACT, and my question is .... why is this so?

Yours is not to question why...

P-tart, what's this 2% bullshit?

If a Christer is a defacto converted Jew--that is, believing in the Old Testament Hebrew tribal god, circumcised, knowing the bible tales by heart, and basically supporting Israel--well then the U.S. is more like 35 to 45% "Jewish," isn't it? And of course, given that "Jewish" can comprise any color, ethnicity, language, or religion, what the fuck does it really mean?

Sam Goldwyn? Some sort of MOT Hollywood mafia?

Why do Jews run the entire porno industry? Your question answers itself. That was your question, wasn't it?

poptart wrote:
What's your take ... ?

You're an idiot.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:P-tart, what's this 2% bullshit?

Fact.

If a Christer is a defacto converted Jew--that is, believing in the Old Testament Hebrew tribal god, circumcised, knowing the bible tales by heart, and basically supporting Israel--well then the U.S. is more like 35 to 45% "Jewish," isn't it?

No, it's not.
You're trying to connect dots which do NOT exist.

And of course, given that "Jewish" can comprise any color, ethnicity, language, or religion, what the fuck does it really mean?

Means that you're sidestepping the issue again.

Sam Goldwyn? Some sort of MOT Hollywood mafia?

Make a point if you have one.

Why do Jews run the entire porno industry? Your question answers itself. That was your question, wasn't it?

Stop twisting things around, address the issue, or get out of the thread.

It's interesting to note that in sports media, the jew is overrepresented, and in actual sport (playing, coaching) he is underrepresented.

If a Christer is a defacto converted Jew--that is, believing in the Old Testament Hebrew tribal god, circumcised, knowing the bible tales by heart, and basically supporting Israel--well then the U.S. is more like 35 to 45% "Jewish," isn't it?

No, it's not.
You're trying to connect dots which do NOT exist.

And of course, given that "Jewish" can comprise any color, ethnicity, language, or religion, what the fuck does it really mean?

Means that you're sidestepping the issue again.


Okay, Popper, tell us why a Christer is not a defacto Jew. Why do the "dots" not exist?

Explain why a Jew cannot be in fact any color, ethnicity, nationality, religion, etc.

Because it's easy to show otherwise.

You need to reexamine YOUR stereotype definition of a Jew. It's obviously very outdated.

PSUFAN wrote:It's interesting to note that in sports media, the jew is overrepresented, and in actual sport (playing, coaching) he is underrepresented.

I have a pamphlet "Jewish Sports Legends", that say's otherwise bub! :-)

LTS TRN 2 wrote: Okay, Popper, tell us why a Christer is not a defacto Jew. Why do the "dots" not exist?

Explain why a Jew cannot be in fact any color, ethnicity, nationality, religion, etc.

Because it's easy to show otherwise.

You need to reexamine YOUR stereotype definition of a Jew. It's obviously very outdated.

Nick, I swear to G-d you must be a trolling master, because I refuse to believe that anyone is as dumb as you appear to be.

Go ahead, Whistler, take a shot. you're implying that it's obvious....what's obvious?....

Answer the questions directly. Why isn't a Christer a simply a converted Jew? Are you suggesting a Jew is defined by NOT being a Christer?

And why can't Jews can be any color, ethnicity, religion etc.?

Can you simply give a straight answer, or are you reduced to mere empty dismissals?

Good luck.

A Christian and a Jew share a common understanding that the Old Testament is God's Word, but a Christian is not a converted Jew because 99.99% of Christians did not originate from Israel.

Yes, a Jew can be any color or ethnicity (I think) ..... but not religion.


You're out to lunch, dude.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Why isn't a Christer a simply a converted Jew?

Christianity and Judaism are both belief systems. And while there are ethnic Jews, there are no ethnic Christers. Although some Christers are descendants of Jews, most aren't. Go to a southern black church and tell me how many of them have Jewish bloodlines. Yes, Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. But at the individual level, relatively few Christers are offshoots of Jews.

poptart wrote:A Christian and a Jew share a common understanding that the Old Testament is God's Word, but a Christian is not a converted Jew because 99.99% of Christians did not originate from Israel.

Neither do most Jews.

Nearly all Jews come from 'seed' originating in Israel.

You and Nicky are like the O.J. lawyers, tossing as much bullshit around as possible in hopes that SOMETHING will stick.
Problem is, we're not the Simpson jury.

Geez, you guys are hopeless twats.

poptart wrote:

Nearly all Jews come from 'seed' originating in Israel.

Khazars have no "seed" originating in Israel.

Smackie Chan wrote:
Christianity and Judaism are both belief systems. And while there are ethnic Jews,

If Judaism is a belief - a jew cannot be an ethnicity.

Do yourself a favour, stop talking out of both sides of your mouth - you'll wind up looking a twit.

Dr_Phibes wrote:If Judaism is a belief - a jew cannot be an ethnicity.

Wrong.

you've got me there.

Yeah, I do.

It's your task to figure out where you fucked up.

Why should I have to do the work?

Smackie Chan wrote: Christianity and Judaism are both belief systems.

And while there are ethnic Jews, there are no ethnic Christers. .

Sincerley

Dr_Hypocritowitz

Way to start whistling a different tune.

That's always a winner.

Martyred wrote:

poptart wrote:

Nearly all Jews come from 'seed' originating in Israel.

Khazars have no "seed" originating in Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F


You figure out who the 'Jews' are in your own mind then.

When you know, let me know what your take is on my post to start the thread.

Dr_Phibes wrote:If Judaism is a belief - a jew cannot be an ethnicity.

Guess again, phucko.

"Ethnic Jew" (also known as an "assimilated Jew,") is a term generally used to describe a person of Jewish parentage and background who does not actively practice Judaism but still identifies with Judaism and/or other Jews culturally and fraternally. The term "ethnic Jew" does not specifically exclude practicing Jews, but they are usually simply referred to as "Jews" without the qualifying adjective "ethnic".

The term can refer to people of diverse beliefs and backgrounds due to the complex concepts of what makes a person "Jewish". Since "ethnic Jew" is often used to distinguish non-practicing from practicing ("religious") Jews, a more precise term might be "secular Jew."

The term sometimes can refer exclusively to Jews who, for whatever reasons, do not practice the religion of Judaism, or who are so casual in their connection to that religion as to be effectively secular. Typically, secular Jews are cognizant of their Jewish background, and may feel strong cultural (even if not religious) ties to Jewish traditions and to the Jewish people or nation. Like people of any other ethnicity, non-religious ethnic Jews often assimilate into a surrounding non-Jewish culture, but, especially in areas where there is a strong local Jewish culture, they may remain largely part of that culture, even to the point, for example, of participating in many Jewish holiday traditions, or of retaining a diet that stays close to the kosher laws.
"Ethnic Jews" include atheists, agnostics, non-denominational deists, Jews with only casual connections to Jewish denominations or converts to other religions, such as Christianity or Buddhism. Many ethnic Jews reject the traditional Jewish view of Jewish identity being based on matrilineal descent, and consider someone Jewish if either parent is Jewish, whereas the Halakhic definition of a Jew is matrilineal-based.

"Half-Jewish" is a controversial new term, describing people who have one Jewish parent. According to Jewish law, only a person born of a Jewish mother or lawfully converted can be considered Jewish. The Orthodox and Conservative movements maintain that Jewish status is passed down matrilineally, and that a person with a Jewish mother and non-Jewish father is Jewish, but that a person with a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother is not. As a result, many Jews reject the use of the term "half-Jewish".

Do yourself a favour, stop talking out of both sides of your mouth - you'll wind up looking a twit.

Do yourself a favor, and quit being an assbreather.

PSUFAN wrote:It's interesting to note that in sports media, the jew is overrepresented, and in actual sport (playing, coaching) he is underrepresented.

Likewise the recording industry. Don't see many puff daddy entreprenuers, nor Katzenberg rappers.

The racists would have you beleive that his is the Black muscle doing the Jew's work while he skims off the cream to thje detriment of us KKK'ers.


When I first came over here, and tried to get into CFB, I couldn't understand why Notre Dame were called "Fighting Irish", when they were all black!!

"Half-Jewish" is a controversial new term, describing people who have one Jewish parent. According to Jewish law, only a person born of a Jewish mother or lawfully converted can be considered Jewish. The Orthodox and Conservative movements maintain that Jewish status is passed down matrilineally, and that a person with a Jewish mother and non-Jewish father is Jewish, but that a person with a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother is not. As a result, many Jews reject the use of the term "half-Jewish".

This properly describes the bizarre and confused center of this entire issue. Because if "half-Jewish" is controversial, then what about, oh, 1/16th Jewish--as per the "matrilineal" rule?

Look at the Ashkanazi Jews--you know, the white ones. Blonds, brunettes, redheads, with every shape of nose. The ones that run Israel. Are they really "Middle Eastern"? Of course not. They're German, Polish, Ukrainian and Swedish. As for Al Micheals or David Frum--or basically the ENTIRE Bush administration 'cept for Chimp, Cheney, Rummy and Condi--these too are people of European stock who happen to be nominally connected with a religion that none of them practice and language that none of them speak.

As for the original question of this thread--Why Do Jews Completely Run The Porno Industry?--I suppose they felt it was an easy way to get some pussy and make a ton of dough.

As for why a malignant entity such as Aaron Spelling should have been foisted upon the American culture, this is the result of "our freedoms"--you know, the ones Bin Laden are trying to destroy. He wanted "The Love Boat" but settled for the towers.