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Weird. ND must have taken a huge hit with Saragen for the Stanford game. Before last week, I think they were in the 6-8 range.

Mgo, I never backed off my original statement.

ND will win out in a sea of one loss teams. It isn't just because they're ND, it'll be due to their SOS, including a late season enormous win over an undefeated USC, which was in my original premise.

If USC already has two losses by the time they face ND, yeah, they tanked. By USC's standards right now losing two games this late in the season would be considered tanking. Adding another loss to ND? That'd be three losses in a very short period of time. That's tanking.

Btw, this was classic...

I'll admit Van suckered me into an argument I didn't want to take, but I did, for the sake of entertainment.

In one concise statement you perfectly described the entire reason and strategy for maintaining a message board.

We all do it, all the time, exactly as you described.

Van wrote:Ken, in all seriousness, on what planet do you live where you see ND as being hated by coaches and writers??

Have you failed to notice that ND is nearly always overrated by those same coaches and writers, just as soon as ND gives them any reason whatsoever to do so?

Oh no, no, no, no, no.
Yes, the WRITERS may have overrated ND in the past, but not the coaches. Now I don't have anything concrete to support this next thought, other than your head... but then again, that wouldn't support it, nonetheless... I don't have anything concrete to support this, but I'll be the coaches consistently rank ND lower. I'd bet my bottom dollar that they don't consistently rank them HIGHER. And if it's the writers who consistently ranked ND HIGHER, well then, guess what? Yeppers.

You see, your problem is that you can't draw a line between the coaches and the media thus dividing them. You draw a line from one TO the other.

Don't feed me your BS.

Ken, you've gotten to be quite the bitterman in your dotage.

:-)

I'm not sure there's really been such huge differences between the AP and Coaches poll, that you'd be able to draw hard evidence from either, in terms of bias. The two polls consistently churn out pretty similar results.

However, here's where things get better for your argument Ken...in the past 20 years, there were 7 years in which the AP and Coaches had ND finishing at separate spots.

Of those 7 years, the Coaches poll had ND rated lower than the AP did 6 times.

So, in the instances where there WAS separation between the two, the Coaches rated ND lower 86% of the time.

Killian,


That's not true. I also got pleasure out of that spanking you gave me!