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Michigan's body of work at season's end was considered superior to Florida's body of work with games remaining.

My guess is that the Big 10 will look to schedule games after the Big Game now. As a Big 10 fan, I hate the fact that the season is over, and then we watch two weeks of exciting matchups that we are not any part of.

When Michigan gets the shaft, they act.

Van's not going to like that link, Jsc, it shows Michigan as having a tougher schedule than USC.

Van, I don't believe that the BCS even considers SOS, other than the fact that it's probably incorporated in each of six computer rankings.

Edit: One more thing about the fuzzy math used by CBS Sportsline. Out of 119 Div-1A teams, Kent State has the 120th toughest schedule.

Mace, are you really this desperate for "cred?"

"Consider the source"?

Are you fucking retarded?

If you want to dispute what I posted, http://www.usatoday.com is but a mouse-click away.

The "source" was today's Sagarin Rankings. Not sure which part of that you were struggling with?

Was it the "Sagarin?"

Was it the "Rankings?"

Explain wherein the dilemma lies, and I'm sure someone can explain it to you.

Goober McTuber wrote:Out of 119 Div-1A teams, Kent State has the 120th toughest schedule.

That's because D1AA Portland State had a tougher-ranked schedule than Kent State.

So, any minute now, we should expect to hear Schoalzie crying about how Kent State got the shaft from the Bowl system.

Actually, the SEC could learn a thing or two about OOC scheduling from Portland State. All3 of PSU's OOC games were aginst D1 opponents(too bad the SEC teams can't all say the same thing), and all were on the road, only one of which was in their home state. Sure, they missed the postseason, but damn...that's some pretty damned impressive scheduling for a 1AA. And they even beat the 1A doormat they faced. A program that's once again on the rise, no doubt...watch out, Montana...a school with money has decided they want to own your conference.

Mace wrote:I wasn't questioning Sagarin's credibility, only yours.....as do most other folks in here.

Speaking for the group now, are you?

I guess I missed the poll where you were appointed to do so.

Moorese wrote:We already know that OSU is better than Michigan. We don't yet know whether OSU is better than Florida (although I suspect we shall rather convincingly). The real humor will come when Michigan swallows its dick in the Rose Bowl; and thus, the "Champions of the West" keep completely fucking silent when the Buckeyes drop a load on Florida's outstretched tongue. Then we'll load up for more BCS high drama next year.

THAT scenario is the BCS's wet dream this year. Michigan swallowing USC's dick gets the BCS off the hook, regardless of what happens in the title game. What the BCS fears most now is a Michigan rout of USC. If that happens then the BCS has to hope that Florida beats Ohio St. A close win by Ohio St or, even worse, an Ohio St rout?

That would be ugly. Michigan would be ALL OVER the BCS if that happens.

Van wrote:THAT scenario is the BCS's wet dream this year.

Yep. And that's how it will go down. Giving the BCS wonks another year to trot out the old "it isn't perfect, but it's the best we have" line.

Goober McTuber wrote:Van's not going to like that link, Jsc, it shows Michigan as having a tougher schedule than USC.

Seems kinda ridiculous, that S.O.S. ranking, but then again it's very misleading anyway since the main reason Michigan's S.O.S. is so high there is very much the result of Ohio St being on their schedule.

Texas' S.O.S. is ranked #13 and they didn't have a tough schedule either. See, it's one thing to schedule somebody really good but it's another thing to beat that really good team that helped you with your S.O.S.

Take OSU off Michigan's S.O.S. and then go ahead and compare their S.O.S. with Florida's. Compare the teams each team beat and Florida easily wins that one.

Van, I don't believe that the BCS even considers SOS, other than the fact that it's probably incorporated in each of six computer rankings.

It's definitely factored into the human polls though and that's where a one loss USC and Florida were likely always going to surpass Michigan.

Edit: One more thing about the fuzzy math used by CBS Sportsline. Out of 119 Div-1A teams, Kent State has the 120th toughest schedule.

That must've been one hellaciously bad schedule! LOL!! Well, on the bright side, they play OSU next year so they won't have to worry about that again.

Van wrote:Take OSU off Michigan's S.O.S. and then go ahead and compare their S.O.S. with Florida's.

With Wisconsin's SoS being #84(Sagarin) or #75(CBS), Michigan's schedule wan't that much tougher, save for ND.

Although some of these SoS ratings are a real head-scratcher. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but none of these outfits seem to want to share their methodology. Not sure how different ranking can be so different in something that seems basic.

Agreed.

I just find it a bit specious for Michigan Fan to jock their S.O.S. vs Florida's when so much of it is the result of a team that beat them. They actually want credit for losing their S.O.S. boosting game! Meanwhile, it's plainly obvious that Florida beat better teams, and more of them, and that their leapfrogging of Michigan mostly had to do with their CCG game victory over Arkansas finally pushing them over the top.

It wasn't a timing thing, like Michigan Fan is trying to say. Michigan didn't get penalized for having their season end so early. Notice that nobody threatened Ohio St's score, even though they finished just as early as Michigan?

That whole "SEC champion" thing also helped Florida quite a bit, compared to that slightly less attractive "Big 10 runner up" tag carried by Michigan...

BlindRef wrote:Or at least they must be...

Oregon State should beat them but at least a touchdown and Auburn should beat them by 2 touchdowns.


That must be the case, or why would Michigan essentially fall a spot each of the last two weeks?


This system sucks.

How great would it be to have Michigan and Florida to actually settle this on the field?

oh...

That would be a playoff.

oregon st is going to get fecaly raped by Mizzou

Adel, you're joking, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Mizzou like to air it up a bunch?

If so, Mizzou is going to become quite familiar with a young man by the name of Sabby Piscitelli...he's going to ruin your day. I only hope for Mizzou's sake, that all of their starting recievers are seniors.

Bear in mind, this is coming from a beaver-HATER.

Misery is going to take a beating for the ages. Won't be close.

Dinsdale wrote:Adel, you're joking, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Mizzou like to air it up a bunch?

If so, Mizzou is going to become quite familiar with a young man by the name of Sabby Piscitelli...he's going to ruin your day. I only hope for Mizzou's sake, that all of their starting recievers are seniors.

Bear in mind, this is coming from a beaver-HATER.

Misery is going to take a beating for the ages. Won't be close.

they have a good running game, that they unfortunatly go away from, 2 of best TE in country, especially as a combo, some decent Wrs.

Oregon st better get a pass rush, if they dont, daniel will light them up



ps hawaii runs the ball efectively, they lost their #1rb, and were stuck putting a wr and a 300lb fullback back there. lalani(ok, their names are usually a ani) would of had a big game vs oregon st. should of could of

beavers get chomped

Oregon St rolls Mizzou. Mizzou won't stand a chance of matching score for score with Oregon St. That's the one Pac 10 bowl win of which I'm nearly positive. It might be the only one the Pac 10 gets, come to think of it, but they're going to get that one.

Adelpiero wrote:hawaii runs the ball efectively

Uhm...do you actually ever watch CFB, Adel?

Hawaii wasn't exactly at the bottom of D1 rushing, but not too far off the pace.

Uhm...you are aware that Hawaii plays a Run-and-Shoot offense, which isn't particularly dependent on effective running, right(or not to the point of other offensive systems, anyway)?


Hawaii was, however, by far the best passing team in the country...BY FAR. And Oregon State just kicked the living fuck out of their passing game, in no small part due to Mr Piscitelli.

So, still like Misery's chances airing it up against Oregon State? Ask Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and JD Booty how that worked out for them.

Despite Miseryfan's myopoia(which is ALL that is), this one isn't going to be close.

Dinsdale wrote: Despite Miseryfan's myopoia(which is ALL that is), this one isn't going to be close.

I suppose the bookmakers who have Mizzou installed as a 3.5 point favorite must be myopic too, eh Dins?

Dinsdale wrote:

Adelpiero wrote:hawaii runs the ball efectively

Uhm...do you actually ever watch CFB, Adel?

Hawaii wasn't exactly at the bottom of D1 rushing, but not too far off the pace.

Uhm...you are aware that Hawaii plays a Run-and-Shoot offense, which isn't particularly dependent on effective running, right(or not to the point of other offensive systems, anyway)?


Hawaii was, however, by far the best passing team in the country...BY FAR. And Oregon State just kicked the living fuck out of their passing game, in no small part due to Mr Piscitelli.

So, still like Misery's chances airing it up against Oregon State? Ask Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and JD Booty how that worked out for them.

Despite Miseryfan's myopoia(which is ALL that is), this one isn't going to be close.

dumbfuck

they average 17 yards less than USC, etc i know what kind of offense they run, June Jones runs the team, all he knows is run and shoot. They run effectively 117 yards a game for a team in the run n shoot is very effectively. 5.6 yards a pop, yeah, thats not effectively


this is the kicker from duncedale

So, still like Misery's chances airing it up against Oregon State? Ask Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and JD Booty how that worked out for them.

hey dumbfuck Smith had over 200+ yards receiving, Jarrett had over 63 with only 4 catches.

they threw for over 400 yards dummy, yeah oregon st showed them defensively


fucking tard.

Van wrote:Oregon St rolls Mizzou.

Just write it off as yet another babbling 314er.

I noticed that USC didn't want any frwaking part of Piscitelli. Sure, he had an impact on the game, but I noticed that when SP was in coverage, Booty didn't even look his way. Hard to win the championship when your All-American recievers have to ride home in a hearse.

And I'm thinking Pinkel isn't quite as smart a coach as Petey is...ya' think?

If your offense consists of being a high-wire act(sup Mizzou), you done picked the wrong team to fuck with.

I think those wons over Murray State and New Mexico* went to Miseryfan's head.

* - New Mexico, who lost by a greater margin to 1AA Portland State than they did to Mizzou...BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

War Wagon wrote:
I suppose the bookmakers who have Mizzou installed as a 3.5 point favorite must be myopic too, eh Dins?

Dear god, you're fucking dense.

Please tell me that you don't really think that the spread is what oddsmakers actually think is going to happen?


Tears, Jerry.

Actually, what we can tell for certain, is that the oddsmakers in question truly see Mizzou fans as a bunch of complete fucking rubes...dumbass.

Hell, I might even have to bet this one, since I wasn't aware of this.

This is what the smart gambler calls a "freebie." That point spread is indicative of some obviously questionable betting habits of Mizzou fans in the past(read: stupid). Missouri has a much larger fan/population/gambling base than Oregon State.

That spread is a full 6 points off the Sagarin predictor.

6.

That's also known as "a bunch."

It also screams out that Mizzou fan has proven themselves quite the idiots in the past, and the bookies are looking to clean up on them. It's extremely rare that an early spread would deviate from the Sagarin predictor by that much this early. EXTREMELY rare.

Way to KYOA, Mizzoufan.


To the rest of the country...enjoy the holiday gift the oddsmakers just gave you...truly a freebie...well, not quite "free"...it's coming at Mizzou fans' expense.

Wow...just wow...on many levels.

Oh, and Van -- when I talk about "ultra-basic betting strategies"...^^^that's what I'm talking about...betting the "freebies."

Dinsdale wrote:Oh, and Van -- when I talk about "ultra-basic betting strategies"...^^^that's what I'm talking about...betting the "freebies."

ah, the old, duncedale has no fucking clue what he's talking about, so he just ducks the response



hey tard, 400 yards of passing, beavers showed USC


117 yards a game for a run n shoot(hawaii) and 5.6 yards a carry, thats effectively


try again duncedale

Uhm Adel...you DO realize that you're the one guy in the sportsbetting forum that people actually want to act as your bookie, right?

When someone talks about a really dumb bet, it's usually signed "sincerely, adel"...for the CFB posters who weren't aware of that.

War Wagon wrote:

Dinsdale wrote: Despite Miseryfan's myopoia(which is ALL that is), this one isn't going to be close.

I suppose the bookmakers who have Mizzou installed as a 3.5 point favorite must be myopic too, eh Dins?

wags, wags, wags


Oregon st is a 3 1/2 point favorite

Dins wrote:So, still like Misery's chances airing it up against Oregon State? Ask Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and JD Booty how that worked out for them.

:?

Uhh, Dins, about that USC/Oregon St game...



USC Passing

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT
John David Booty 24/39 406 10.4 3 1

USC Receiving

REC YDS AVG TD LG
Steve Smith 11 258 23.5 2 53
Dwayne Jarrett 4 63 15.8 0 32
Fred Davis 4 20 5.0 1 8
Chauncey Washington 3 32 10.7 0 13
Patrick Turner 2 33 16.5 0 25
Team 24 406 10.4 -- --

:?

USC's passing game absolutely shredded Oregon St. Booty went for 406 yards, with three TDs and 10.4 yards per completion from a very efficient 24/39. Steve Smith alone caught eleven passes for...258 yards!!

They scored 31 points, even though they were sleep walking all over Corvallis for much of the game.


Dins, you didn't take your hand off the piece yet, did you? Tell me you didn't pull your hand back and call it good. Dude, you really need to re-think that move. Just say you sneezed or some shit but that your hand was still hovering...

Dinsdale wrote:Uhm Adel...you DO realize that you're the one guy in the sportsbetting forum that people actually want to act as your bookie, right?

When someone talks about a really dumb bet, it's usually signed "sincerely, adel"...for the CFB posters who weren't aware of that.

oh christ, the "i give" response



actually, I'm not the ONE guy, i had some bad weeks in NFL, and lost all of the money i won at the racetrack and put away for gambling

won a bunch early, got crushed late, which is why its called gambling. No big deal.

Mace wrote:Actually, far too many of them don't have a clue as to who has the best team and vote based on regionalism or for their cronies, voting a deserving team lower than they deserve and their cronies team higher than they deserve. They also vote teams (other than Michigan and Florida) up or down to improve or hurt the SOS of the contenders. That's how it's manipulated. As an example, Bobby Stoops voted Florida #2. Ya think he really believes they're better than Michigan? Maybe, but I'd bet that he didn't want anyone to see that he'd voted for someone other than his old school. That's why coaches don't necessarily vote their conscience and why making their votes public is not a good thing.

I'm very familiar with how coaches (at any level) vote as I've attended and voted for all-conference, all-district, and all-state high school baseball teams for the past several years, and that's exactly how it happens. Coaches leave deserving players off of their ballot just so it helps their player or someone from their area.....it happen all the time. Judging from the coaches poll, it happens at the national level too. It's not right, but it's just how it is.

If they're voting just to help out a former school, then yeah, obviously that's not right.

But let's assume the strong majority of them are actually voting for who they think are the best/most deserving teams. They're given a ballot, and they fill it out how they choose. That's it. They aren't given instructions from the BCS, or anyone else. Voter A) might put a ton of stock into SOS alone, despite quality wins (see Michigan), whereas voter B) might put more stock into the actual number of quality wins...and uh, oh, I dunno, a conference championship as well (see Florida). It seems as though more voters turned out to be Voter B rather than Voter A. This is just a simple fact Michigan fan needs to sack-up and realize. Simply disagreeing with Voter B doesn't make Voter B incorrect, nor does it make his perception of the results "bullshit." When human element is involved, there is no right or wrong, there's just varied perception. Now, you can get pissed at the system and say the Coaches Poll shouldn't be factored into the BCS, and that's fine, albeit an entirely different debate. But when you're saying the way they voted was "wrong," or "unfair," then your argument, by nature, is, well...fucking retarded, and you obviously can't, or refuse to grasp how reality works.

A voter chooses to vote a certain way based on how he perceived the results. Obviously, the computers are going to take EVERYTHING into account; the entire resume, from start to finish, without bias...and factor in a lot of math to boot, but in a human poll, it's very likely only one, or two "difference makers" will be utilized to separate team A) from team B). And it looks like this is what happened in the Coaches Poll. The coaches wanted to wait to see if UF could officially become a conference champ, and after they were crowned, it appeared the coaches used that piece of criteria to jump them ahead of Michigan. There's also a deece chance some of them factored in the "I don't want to see a rematch," quality for WHATEVER reason they so chose...and guess what? That was indeed their CHOICE. And usually, "choices," are comprised of...get this...reasons.

And maybe the "reason" they don't "want" to see a rematch is because they don't feel Michigan can beat Ohio St? Oh, but why oh WHY would they ever think that? Huh, Herbstreits? Huh, Beanos? Oh, I dunno, maybe because MICHIGAN ALREADY FUCKING LOST ON THE SAME FIELD? HELLO? Fuck, man, I hated liver and onions the first time I tried it. So why the fuck would I want to try it again?

Adelpiero wrote:wags, wags, wags


Oregon st is a 3 1/2 point favorite

Adel, I must give thanks -- hopefully we've heard the last of WW's idiocy on the subject.

Guess I should have looked the spread up myself, rather than taking the word of a known card-carrying idiot.

OrSU - 3.5 make quite a bit more sense. Quite a bit.

And with that, I retract my "freebie" prediction, and withdraw my comments about how Mizzou fan must have REALLY stupided-it-up in the past, since that was based on OrSU +3.5.


Either way, OSU is going to demolish Mizoou...bet the farm on it.

if i'm betting, which i will once bowl season starts, i will look at the over/under in the game.

Mgo wrote:Fuck, man, I hated liver and onions the first time I tried it. So why the fuck would I want to try it again?

The EXACT thing I always ask smokers since nobody ever enjoys their first attempt at smoking.

Biggest fuggen mystery on planet earth to me, how anybody can experience that shit for the first time and cough, hack, wheeze, barf and turn purple...and then come back for more...and more...until finally they learn to adapt to something their body was literally screaming at them to avoid.

Just...fuck.

Van wrote: USC's passing game absolutely shredded Oregon St.

OK, I'll take my lumps for not articulating my point very well.

The point was, that USC probably has the best high-wire act in the country(despite Hawaii's gaudy numbers). As you pointed out, that high wire act was firing pretty well.

And scoreboardsayswhat? Says that it didn't matter.

And Van...for you to say ANY aspect of USC's game "shredded" OSU...


Want another crack at that one?

Scoreboardsayswhat?

OBVIOUSLY, common sense dictates USC didn't "shred" Oregon State at anything.

Gee, I wonder why much of the CFB world hates USC fan with a passion? Arrogance, maybe?

And save it Van...if you say one wrong fucking word, you're rebuttle will fall on eyes other than mine.

Your next response WILL begin "yes Dins, you are coirrect -- USC DID NOT 'shred' Oregon State at ANYTHING, because then the scoreboard would have read differently."

Sack up, you bleeding excuse-maker.


And it doesn't change the fact one Sabby Piscitelli is going tiger hunting.

By the way, can we toss the "BCS is designed to have the two best teams play," bullshit argument aside?

No, it isn't. Not according to the BCS, anyway. The BCS is desiged to have the BCS #1 play the BCS #2 in the championship game. And every year, the BCS has achieved that. So in their eyes, they've succeeded every year. Last I checked, #1 has yet to play #3 or #4 for the title. The clever wording is how they get away with this hack of a system. They don't guarantee the "two best" teams will play each other. They only guarantee that the BCS #1 and #2 will play each other.

No, I get your point, and from a big picture perspective, I think we're on the same page. I'd like to see the Coaches Poll axed from the formula. I was sorta going off in a different direction, as it applied to the cries of MichiganFan and how they felt they got "screwed" by the human element, when in reality, the idea of "screwed" isn't based on any sort of facts, just your varied perception of the results. Hate it as we may, the bottom line is, the human element IS part of the scenario, and since there are no "rules" when it comes to voting, a coach may cast a ballot however he chooses. My point is to not get upset at the opinion of the voter, rather, get upset at the system for allowing said opinion to have a say in the results. And it looks like we agree on that.

Personally, if we can't have a playoff, I'd like to see a 100% computer-based ranking system.

Adelpiero wrote:

War Wagon wrote:

Dinsdale wrote: Despite Miseryfan's myopoia(which is ALL that is), this one isn't going to be close.

I suppose the bookmakers who have Mizzou installed as a 3.5 point favorite must be myopic too, eh Dins?

wags, wags, wags


Oregon st is a 3 1/2 point favorite

Then I'm either mis-reading this linked page, or Yahoo is totally scewed.

Last I checked, if they have a minus sign next to a team, then that team is the favorite.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/odds;_ylt ... 2OdOkcvrYF

:chuckle:

Dins, USC's passing game shredded Oregon St's pass defense. No two ways around that and your specific point was to ask messers JDB, Smith, Jarrett et al how it went for them in terms of attempting to "air it up" against Oregon St.

Dins wrote:So, still like Misery's chances airing it up against Oregon State? Ask Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and JD Booty how that worked out for them.

See? No gray area! YOU said that Mizzou would have a tough time throwing against Oregon St and you suggested to Adel that he ought to consult with USC's main passing weapons in order to verify this.

You weren't describing the running games or the cheerleaders or tailgaiting or the fact that USC lost to Oregon St strictly due to turnovers and special teams plays as opposed to having any difficulty whatsoever in throwing all over Oregon St's pass defense. Nope. You were attempting to use the USC-Oregon St game as Example One of Dins' Proof That It's Difficult To Air It Up Against Oregon St's Pass Defense.


That's okay, dude. Dins, I enjoyed your noble attempt there. You completely fucked up and got knocked on your ass but rather than just turtle like Bill Callahan you decided to go full on Ray Mancini! You climbed off the canvas, dabbed at your bleeding shnoz, bopped yourself in the head with your gloves, cleared your head, snarled at the ref and said, "Fuck 'dis! I ain't hoit! Lemme back at that little chinky rat bastard!"

Killer credo there when you're down, Dins The Lionhearted: "Go back on the attack. Try to put 'em on the defensive. Divert! Obfuscate! IT'S ALWAYS GO TIME!"

Shit nearly brought a tear to my eye. It was like the 70's and 80's all over again, sitting there in the theater with my buddies and our girlfriends, just cheering our stupid asses off...

"Just... win!"

"Oooh, Adrian!"

~theater sound system blasts us with that bad ass tolling bell and those first soul stirring notes of "Rocky's Theme", and the GF's grab for the suddenly hard dicks in their midst~

I get, it, Dins. You're no quitter...and I LOVE THAT ABOUT YOU, MAN!!!

War Wagon wrote:

Adelpiero wrote:

War Wagon wrote: I suppose the bookmakers who have Mizzou installed as a 3.5 point favorite must be myopic too, eh Dins?

wags, wags, wags


Oregon st is a 3 1/2 point favorite

Then I'm either mis-reading this linked page, or Yahoo is totally scewed.

Last I checked, if they have a minus sign next to a team, then that team is the favorite.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/odds;_ylt ... 2OdOkcvrYF

http://www.jimfeist.com/stats-college-f ... tions.html

here is where i got it.

yahoo is usually incorect, but who knows

and jimfeist has byu as -5, yahoo has oregon -4 1/2


i'd go with the feist line, yahoo has way too many games different

feist has rice as -7 , yahoo has them 7pt dogs

hey, if yahoo gives you a wrong line, not your fault.


wags,

yahoo is sooo wrong, they have middle tenn st as a 11point favorite, if central michigan is getting 11, i will sell my home and cars and unload on them. they should be a 12-13pt fav by the time the game comes

For a guy who hates the Beaves so much, Dins sure spends a ton of time defending them.

chomp those beavers

Mgo, he's not so much defending Oregon St as he's simply enjoying being in the fray...any fray. Oregon St is entirely incidental to this for him. He got hisself a whiff of Adel, his predator's olfactory sensors went ballistic, out came the bared slobbering fangs and quick like a prom date's excuses he shot out of his den looking for glory in the hunt.

Van wrote:the fray

Fucking hate that band so much.

Van wrote:
Dins, USC's passing game shredded Oregon St's pass defense. No two ways around that and your specific point was to ask messers JDB, Smith, Jarrett et al how it went for them in terms of attempting to "air it up" against Oregon St.

It resulted in a "L."

End of story.

As for the rest of the response...I dunno...didn't read it...won't.

But since you're USC fan, I doubt you'll have an issue with arrogance being thrown your way, right?