To Catch a Predator

Ingse Bodil · Post by **Ingse Bodil** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:16 am

Dinsdale wrote: Keep in mind, these same people have fed lines to underaged girls and boys to promote a sexual dialogue...which violates laws in and of itself.

Wait a minute, what? aren't the 'teens' in every case actually very legal adults? why would this group be trying to coerce a child into cybersex? for what purpose? that doesn't make sense. are you sure something hasn't been garbled here?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:17 am

Ingse Bodil wrote:If they really are getting monsters off the street

At what cost?

If in doing so they are alerting parents to what is out there, who is out there, and hopefully giving parents tools to protect their children from the predator -- as well as giving children tools to protect themselves from predators -- then that is good journalism.

If any parents let them watch that shit, there needs to be a vigilante group dragging these horrible parents' names through the mud, too.

If by "good journalism" you mean absolutely making up bullshit(any only believable to the gullible) "statistics" to alarm people into thinking that they need to watch this bullshit to "protect the children"...then yeah, it's good journalism. Making up numbers is fine, as long as the cause is just, right?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:23 am

Ingse Bodil wrote: Wait a minute, what? aren't the 'teens' in every case actually very legal adults?

Are you at all acquainted with your brain?

If they weren't minors, then which laws would have been broken? I believe they've modified their policy since then...so that the pedos only get busted for a wrist-slap violation(since they didn't actually have any sexual contact with a minor...see how that catch-22 works), and are much more cautious about their predation in the future...so PJ is possibly hurting the children...but they don't care, as long as they get their fame and fortune...which is everyone's beef with them in the first place....or one of many beefs.

why would this group be trying to coerce a child into cybersex? for what purpose?

OK...does the name "To Catch a Predator" ring any bells?

Hard to catch a predator without bait, eh?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:27 am

mvscal wrote: Why hasn't PJ been sued into bankruptcy then?

Because PJ isn't a legal entity?

Seems like false accusations of child molestation ought to be cause for some hefty damage settlements.

I'm not sure which part of "local rumor has it they had to cash in off NBC to pay off settlements" didn't you catch? Their victims are profitting from the sickos of this country, too.

They've been caught hacking into people's computers, as well. But what DA wants to possibly be labelled as a "supporter of pedos"?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:28 am

This sounds like a noble cause.

-Qualuudes and Parthenon

Ingse Bodil · Post by **Ingse Bodil** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:40 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Ingse Bodil wrote:If they really are getting monsters off the street
At what cost?

I don't know. There had to have been more to the story to put this guy away than just the chat logs he had with someone who claimed to be a 13 year old sexually abused little girl. And if this is a trolljob, it's a shitty trolljob.

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fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:21:26 PM): You enjoy that thought...
sadlilgrrl (4:21:32 PM): yes
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:21:51 PM): And, are you still wet?
sadlilgrrl (4:21:58 PM): yes
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:22:06 PM): And, do you think your mother will notice?
sadlilgrrl (4:22:27 PM): no
sadlilgrrl (4:22:30 PM): she doesnt notice anything
sadlilgrrl (4:22:35 PM): as long as i do what she tells me t
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:22:35 PM): What does she do?
sadlilgrrl (4:22:35 PM): to
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:22:45 PM): Good... And, you like being ordered around?
sadlilgrrl (4:22:53 PM): not by her
sadlilgrrl (4:22:59 PM): but i liked it when my dad did
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:23:01 PM): But, by others?
sadlilgrrl (4:23:04 PM): because i felt like i was doing a good job
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:23:09 PM): And, did you like what your dad did to you?
sadlilgrrl (4:23:14 PM): i deserved it (Note this response. She didn't like it. She felt that she DESERVED it.)
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:23:18 PM): Oh?
sadlilgrrl (4:23:37 PM): he only did it to make me be good
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:23:45 PM): Oh? And, did he cum in your mouth?
sadlilgrrl (4:24:18 PM): yes
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:24:23 PM): And, did you like it?
sadlilgrrl (4:24:33 PM): i deserved it
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:24:39 PM): Oh, what did you do?
sadlilgrrl (4:24:47 PM): i didnt have dinner ready
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:24:59 PM): Oh? And, so you had to suck him off? (This is unbelievable. Absolutely outrageous.)
sadlilgrrl (4:25:06 PM): yes
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:25:14 PM): Did you have to do it offten?
sadlilgrrl (4:25:22 PM): whenever i messed up
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:25:33 PM): Now you will do it because it pleases me...
sadlilgrrl (4:26:09 PM): okay
sadlilgrrl (4:26:11 PM): whatever you say
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:26:20 PM): And, did you enjoy having your dad fuck you?
sadlilgrrl (4:26:29 PM): it hurt a lot
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:26:36 PM): How many times did he do it?
sadlilgrrl (4:26:36 PM): but i deserved it (She didn't like it. She felt she deserved this.)
sadlilgrrl (4:26:41 PM): only a few
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:26:43 PM): Do you deserve this?
sadlilgrrl (4:26:43 PM): if i was really bad
sadlilgrrl (4:26:58 PM): i think so
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:27:03 PM): Oh? And, now if you are really good, you will get fucked...
sadlilgrrl (4:27:29 PM): ill be good
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:27:41 PM): Good... And, do you feel that you want this out of life?
sadlilgrrl (4:27:54 PM): yes. i want to feel safe and not be empty. (This is a depressed kid who's been abused and molested. His response?)
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:28:02 PM): Good... I will keep you safe.
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:28:59 PM): And, will you provide me with the pleasure I want you to?
sadlilgrrl (4:29:11 PM): i will do whatever you tell me to do
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:29:14 PM): Good...
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:29:19 PM): I am happy to hear that.
sadlilgrrl (4:29:53 PM): my mom should be home any minute
sadlilgrrl (4:30:00 PM): i have to go put her clothes in the wash
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:30:03 PM): ANd, you will have to get off?
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (4:30:04 PM): OK...

(there's more, and then)

fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:22:10 PM): Think girl, should not a slave beg for it?
sadlilgrrl (7:22:16 PM): yes master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:22:29 PM): And, what else should you do?
sadlilgrrl (7:23:18 PM): earn is master?
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:23:24 PM): Correct...
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:23:31 PM): Tonight you will start earning it.
sadlilgrrl (7:23:51 PM): yes master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:24:03 PM): Do you liek that thought?
sadlilgrrl (7:24:32 PM): yes master
sadlilgrrl (7:24:35 PM): very much master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:24:42 PM): Good... And, how long can you stay?
sadlilgrrl (7:25:06 PM): my mom will be home at four master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:25:14 PM): In the morning?
sadlilgrrl (7:25:16 PM): yes master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:25:30 PM): So we have from 9pm to 3am?
sadlilgrrl (7:26:05 PM): yes master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:26:13 PM): Good enough.
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:27:00 PM): And, what else will you want to do tongiht?
sadlilgrrl (7:27:11 PM): just make you happy with me master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:27:15 PM): Good...
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:27:19 PM): Hold on for a moment.
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:28:25 PM): Back.
sadlilgrrl (7:28:30 PM): okay master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:28:47 PM): So in about 2 hours to 2 & half hours you will be mine...
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:28:50 PM): Scared?
sadlilgrrl (7:29:41 PM): no master a little nervous
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:29:44 PM): Why?
sadlilgrrl (7:30:08 PM): because im so excited master
sadlilgrrl (7:30:17 PM): im scared you wont like me master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:30:23 PM): Good... Don't be nervous, what will happen will happen.
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:30:34 PM): Oh, why will I not?
sadlilgrrl (7:30:51 PM): i dont know master i just want you to so much master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:30:57 PM): i will, I am sure.
sadlilgrrl (7:31:45 PM): i should go get ready soon master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:31:47 PM): Do not worry.
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:31:50 PM): Good girl...
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:31:55 PM): And, will you be nice & clean for me?
sadlilgrrl (7:32:03 PM): Yes master.
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:32:20 PM): And, will you have yourself fully ready?
sadlilgrrl (7:32:27 PM): yes master
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:32:31 PM): Good girl...
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:32:41 PM): I look forward to our meeting.
sadlilgrrl (7:32:56 PM): between eight thirty and nine inside the blockbuster
sadlilgrrl (7:33:00 PM): right master?
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (7:33:05 PM): Yeppers, little girl.

(there's still more, and then the disclaimer)

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Anyone who attempts to use this information to commit a criminal act against another person can be subject to criminal prosecution or civil action. Perverted-Justice.com condemns the attempt, use, or even thought of physical violence, extortion or harassment against the individual above. Such actions are not in the spirit of what Perverted-Justice.com is all about and would put your own personal safety at risk.

I guess the mods can delete the contents of this thread, if they'll get in trouble for having it here. But wow. This goes beyond trolling. This person is sick. If Perverted Justice had not caught him, who would have? Somebody who even pretends to be an adult screwing a kid needs to be off the street, and setting up meetings with little kids? Again, that goes beyond trolling.

I have seen the argument here, in the troll forums, about how can a crime be committed when it's just talk, and it's not even a little kid on the other end but an adult pretending to be a kid? where was the crime? And I can see that argument. However, someone who's willing to set up a meeting is guilty of intent (and conspiracy? or does conspiracy have to involved more than one person?), and intent can be a crime in itself, correct?

I like that you're looking out for the falsely accused, Dinsdale. That's awesome. But just how many are falsely accused; versus guilty as sin and should be locked up for life before they really do hurt (more? unknown?) little kids.

If in doing so they are alerting parents to what is out there, who is out there, and hopefully giving parents tools to protect their children from the predator -- as well as giving children tools to protect themselves from predators -- then that is good journalism.
If any parents let them watch that shit, there needs to be a vigilante group dragging these horrible parents' names through the mud, too.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Hate on John Walsh all anyone wants (and there are reasons to do so), but he has helped people be more wary in keeping watch of their children. Parents need to know who is out there and what is out there.

There are too many parents who think that just because their kid is quiet on the computer, that they're not getting into trouble. They're letting the computer be the babysitter that television used to be -- except the computer is extremely more dangerous than television.

If more parents know who is out there, what is out there, what signs to look for, and how to keep their children safe, then that's more kids saved from the predators of the world. Then, just have to keep fingers crossed that the angels or someone looks out for the kids whose parents honestly don't give a shit, or whose parents are actively pimping them to perverts.

If by "good journalism" you mean absolutely making up bullshit(any only believable to the gullible) "statistics" to alarm people into thinking that they need to watch this bullshit to "protect the children"...then yeah, it's good journalism. Making up numbers is fine, as long as the cause is just, right?

No, they should not make up statistics. That's alarmism. So yes, keep them honest. You're right, they need to tone down any false statistics (just like the missing and exploited children people need to tone down on the inflated statistics). But there is some truth to the madness. You said yourself PJ had to change its tactics. That was for the good, right?

Let the watchers keep watch over the watchers.

Do you have a link or a story of someone who has been falsely accused? because that can also be a help to the innocent.

Ingse Bodil · Post by **Ingse Bodil** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:55 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Ingse Bodil wrote: Wait a minute, what? aren't the 'teens' in every case actually very legal adults?
Are you at all acquainted with your brain?

I wasn't understanding your point about coercing children into saying sexual things. If no true child was coerced into contacting adults sexually, by PJ, then I don't see what your point was about that.

If they weren't minors, then which laws would have been broken? I believe they've modified their policy since then...so that the pedos only get busted for a wrist-slap violation(since they didn't actually have any sexual contact with a minor...see how that catch-22 works), and are much more cautious about their predation in the future...so PJ is possibly hurting the children...but they don't care, as long as they get their fame and fortune...which is everyone's beef with them in the first place....or one of many beefs.

I think i'm beginning to see what you really meant when you posted this in response to Derron:

"And that's where you're wrong. Their detractors claim the majority of PJ's "victims" are innocent. Read that over again...the MAJORITY of the people PJ has persecuted have done nothing wrong. "

I disagree with you, but only if by 'innocent' you mean that they didn't physically touch the 'victims', who were not who they represented themselves to be anyway... I don't know what the law says, but I say that's not innocent at all. If you intend to have sex with a child, and go out of your way to set up a sexual meeting with someone you assume to be a child, then it doesn't matter that the person on the other end was an adult -- you are a pedophile, and frankly burning in hell is too good for you.

Then again, I also believe that if you intend to have sex with an adult, and go out of your way to set up a sexual meeting with someone you assume to be an adult and who gave you every indication they were an adult... only to find out that the person was actually underaged... you are not a pedophile and you should not be punished for the deception of someone else (as long as you don't pursue the sex). The difference is in intent. In the first case, you are intending to commit a criminal act -- sex with a child. In the second case, you are intending to commit a lawful act -- sex with an adult.

why would this group be trying to coerce a child into cybersex? for what purpose?
OK...does the name "To Catch a Predator" ring any bells?

Not really. Is that another show?

Hard to catch a predator without bait, eh?

Better adults trained for the job, than little kids who are just babes in the woods.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:47 am

Very first thing I was taught in the very first psychology class I ever took: The biggest pervs are the ones who lead crusades to stamp out porn.

I'm guessing the same thingie probably goes for internets predators.

Ingse Bodil · Post by **Ingse Bodil** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:10 am

Cuda wrote:Very first thing I was taught in the very first psychology class I ever took: The biggest pervs are the ones who lead crusades to stamp out porn.

I'm guessing the same thingie probably goes for internets predators.

Are you honestly comparing adult pornography to child pornography?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:29 am

Cuda wrote:Very first thing I was taught in the very first psychology class I ever took:

What ? The value of pancakes on Burgess Meredith's head and lying about people you don't even know on the internet ?

kcdave · Post by **kcdave** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:12 am

Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day.

Teach a man that fish smells like pussy, he will buy a pc, and chase pussy online for the rest of his life.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:23 pm

Ingse Bodil wrote:[ And if this is a trolljob, it's a shitty trolljob.

BBBWAAAHAAAAaa...

You stupid clap dripping cunt....you would now a shitty troll job if there was one.

Nice job argument with a troll...

Ingse Bodil · Post by **Ingse Bodil** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:24 pm

Derron wrote:
Ingse Bodil wrote:[ And if this is a trolljob, it's a shitty trolljob.
BBBWAAAHAAAAaa...

You stupid clap dripping cunt....you would now a shitty troll job if there was one.

Nice job argument with a troll...

What? I mean that it's a shitty trolljob if 'captain' were trying to troll 'sadlilgirl'. why would anyone engage in such a sick fantasy as S&M with a 13 year old sexual abuse victim, as a trolljob, and then give out a phone number and set up a meeting with them?

To catch whoever it was pretending to be a 13 year old sexual abuse victim? This isn't a scambaiters troll; the man who wrote those things was the real deal -- a sexual predator -- and it's a good thing he's off the streets.

I think I know where Cuda is going with his point about crusaders -- given the Foley scandal of October. But not every crusader is someone trying to improve their own game in catching prey. Mark Klaus and John Walsh are not closet abductors, they really do want to make sure that scum is off the street. I believe they may have other personal problems, but being who they attempt to catch is not one of them.

If Perverted Justice is destroying the lives of innocent people, then yes they should be stopped, or at least forced to be responsible for their actions so that they are catching the true bad guys and not being sloppy with their investigations. If by 'innocent', however, Dinsdale means 'no sexual penetration occurred', that's not good enough. To me, it's like paying someone to kill a third person. Just because the person you paid turns out to be an undercover cop who had no intention of following through, doesn't mean that YOU didn't intend for the follow through. It's a crime to pay someone to kill another; it should also be a crime to even merely attempt to follow through to have real life sex with an assumed child.

As for arguing with a troll... do you mean that this entire thread is just another Dinsdale trolljob?

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:25 pm

Ingse Bodil wrote:
Cuda wrote:Very first thing I was taught in the very first psychology class I ever took: The biggest pervs are the ones who lead crusades to stamp out porn.

I'm guessing the same thingie probably goes for internets predators.
Are you honestly comparing adult pornography to child pornography?

No, you stupid, braindead fuck. I'm saying that the first people you should suspect of being pedos are ones like this Perverted Justice outfit- who set up sting operations to catch & expose other pedos. No doubt if the cops searched Xavier Von Erk's home, they'd find a collection of magazines (with pages stuck together) that would even creep out Jacko

Ingse Bodil · Post by **Ingse Bodil** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:28 pm

Cuda wrote:No, you stupid, braindead fuck. I'm saying that the first people you should suspect of being pedos are ones like this Perverted Justice outfit- who set up sting operations to catch & expose other pedos. No doubt if the cops searched Xavier Von Erk's home, they'd find a collection of magazines (with pages stuck together) that would even creep out Jacko

Von Erk is not a one-man operation. Is everyone associated with Perverted Justice also a closet pedophile?

I can't believe that, Cuda. There really are good people in the world, and some of them want the pedophiles off the street. If there's a problem with methods, then yes, examine and fix the problem with those methods. But not every crusader is a Reverend Dimmesdale or a Senator Foley.

quacker backer · Post by **quacker backer** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:28 pm

yawn
tedius boring tripe

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:00 pm

Now that you mention it, it does seem a little odd that a high school teacher would bring that up right off the bat.

Nishlord · Post by **Nishlord** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:34 pm

It's not on over here, which is a crying shame as it's car-crash telly of the highest order.

How can anyone show up at that house, get a stern talking-to by a presenter who looks and acts like he's walked off a cel frame of The Simpsons, and not immediately ram something ballistic into his maw?