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poptart wrote:Bassman, they don't have an answer.

They have no answer for the behavior of the apostles.

Hard to explain a bunch of middle aged men who were for the most part at each others throats over a variety of issues after Jesus death. Heck we have enough trouble handling the founding fathers of America for the same reasons and they are much closer to being contemporaries

No answer for what exploded in the 'big bang' .... and where it came from. lol

I don't have a definitive answer for that... thing is that neither do you.

No answer for how life could magically arise from non-life.

There's a pretty good theiory I have read from some of the most intelligent minds to ever grace this planet concerning amino acids and what not but lets not let facts get in the way of such epcot threads as this... :wink:

No answer for when, where, and why life somehow learned to reproduce itself.

Got us again, or at least me. Once again though the thing is that neither do you...

No answer at all for how the laws of the universe (gravity, inertia, etc ... ) came into being.

It could be God... It could also be nature. Hell my grandmother may have flipped a switch that got all that shit going in motion for all I know about it. But you don't have any better theories that can be backed up by anything at all tangible.

They're just CERTAIN that it all didn't come from God.

I'm not certain of anything other than death and taxes.

Diogenes wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:Yes, there are some amazing things in the universe. However, what makes Christians ..more close to the answers than anyone else?

History. The fact of prophecies being fulliled.

Prophecy wasn't fulfilled. I'll even let that slide for fear of TWIS coming in and laying da grizzalay troof down on that subject. Prophecy was no where close to being fulfilled.

What was the motive for the original Christians who knew and walked with him to be tortured for some conspiriatorial lie?

I dunno, maybe the fact that the vast majority of them never met him and were following the teacjings of man from Tarsus and not Jesus himself....

That's for starters. The fact is that the rational reasons to believe overwhelm the emotional ones to deny.

The saddest part is you really believe that statement so there is no way to argue anything contrarian with you...

SunCoastSooner wrote:

What was the motive for the original Christians who knew and walked with him to be tortured for some conspiriatorial lie?

I dunno, maybe the fact that the vast majority of them never met him and were following the teacjings of man from Tarsus and not Jesus himself....

Of all the dumb things I've read on message boards in my life, that has to be a top 5'er. "knew and walked with him" is such a hard portion of a sentence to understand. Blast whoever invented the english language...

rozy wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

What was the motive for the original Christians who knew and walked with him to be tortured for some conspiriatorial lie?

I dunno, maybe the fact that the vast majority of them never met him and were following the teacjings of man from Tarsus and not Jesus himself....

Of all the dumb things I've read on message boards in my life, that has to be a top 5'er. "knew and walked with him" is such a hard portion of a sentence to understand. Blast whoever invented the english language...

Those that walked with him were for the most part at each others throats after he died!!!

So now we go an entirely DIFFERENT direction. Sorry, I am not well versed in gibberish.

rozy wrote:So now we go an entirely DIFFERENT direction. Sorry, I am not well versed in gibberish.

Rozy stop looking for another pointless argument to side track this thread. What I said was a tongue in cheek comment because those that walked with him were not unified in their beliefs about him after he died.

Try and keep up here rozy...

They were unified enough to all suffer torturous deaths because of their refusal to deny that He is the Christ.

I'm sure you meet people all the time who would be willing to die torturously for something that they KNOW is a lie, but myself, can't say I've ever met anyone like that.

Diogenes wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:Yes, there are some amazing things in the universe. However, what makes Christians ..more close to the answers than anyone else?

History. The fact of prophecies being fulliled. The survival of the Jewish people, for example is evidence (as opposed to proof) that there actually is something unique about them. Then there is the Corpus Delecti matter....

Show me the body.

Jesus' (Christ to some of us), that is.

What was the motive for the original Christians who knew and walked with him to be tortured for some conspiriatorial lie?

That's for starters. The fact is that the rational reasons to believe overwhelm the emotional ones to deny.

Your post doesn't answer the question for me. You're explaining to me that there are folks who followed Jesus, and after a while they came to be known as Christians. And? Problem is, that was already perfectly clear to me. They had faith, sure...but that's not proof of anything. There are millions in this country that have "faith" in state lotteries, or criminals like Jimmy Bakker.

But specifically - what prophecies have been "fulliled"?

poptart wrote:They were unified enough to all suffer torturous deaths because of their refusal to deny that He is the Christ.

I'm sure you meet people all the time who would be willing to die torturously for something that they KNOW is a lie, but myself, can't say I've ever met anyone like that.

Ah, sweet English, mixed with some good old fashioned common sense.

poptart wrote:They were unified enough to all suffer torturous deaths because of their refusal to deny that He is the Christ.

I'm sure you meet people all the time who would be willing to die torturously for something that they KNOW is a lie, but myself, can't say I've ever met anyone like that.

The Gnostics suffered the same fate and had different beliefs. I guess that makes them right by your standards.

mvscal wrote: How do I justify my belief in existence? I'm sitting in it, dumbshit.

You're soaking in it.

mvscal wrote:

poptart wrote:They were unified enough to all suffer torturous deaths because of their refusal to deny that He is the Christ.

I'm sure you meet people all the time who would be willing to die torturously for something that they KNOW is a lie, but myself, can't say I've ever met anyone like that.

There has never been any shortage of delusional fucksticks willing to die for this, that or the other.

Amen. Some would even kill their own children. But you would have to be a parent to understand that.

sin

His kids are cute, but his shitbabies are kinda wrongful.

rozy wrote:You know where I stand on this

You've always come across as a real Christian...like taking that whole "judge not" thing seriously, and stuff.

so you know my motives are pure when I ask you if I should even read this Nacho character or scroll right on by?

Flip a coin...he's plungered himself pretty deeply with his highly educated "prominant mind," but he's kinda...

kinda one of those trolls who's too stupid to realize when he's knocked his own head over the centerfield fence.


So, yeah...flip a coin. If you're really bored, I'd recommend it...otherwise, not much to see. It's not like there's a shortage of tards lining up to prove how dumb they are with one post, and then rush to cement it with the next.

So, pretty much "same old, same old." While real peole of faith base their beliefs strictly on faith, Not-So is using a negative-scientific "proof" as a reason to believe. I suppose anyone retarded enough to get SCS on the agnostic side might be worth a skim.


BTW -- much of the surface of the Moon is made of green cheese...and until I see proof otherwise, this will be accepted as fact...by EVERYONE. Because I said so.(OK, Roz...I just summed up this whole exercise in one postscript...save yourself the trouble).

SunCoastSooner wrote: Prophecy wasn't fulfilled. I'll even let that slide for fear of TWIS coming in and laying da grizzalay troof down on that subject. Prophecy was no where close to being fulfilled.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!

Dinsdale wrote:

rozy wrote:You know where I stand on this

You've always come across as a real Christian...like taking that whole "judge not" thing seriously, and stuff.

so you know my motives are pure when I ask you if I should even read this Nacho character or scroll right on by?

Flip a coin...he's plungered himself pretty deeply with his highly educated "prominant mind," but he's kinda...

kinda one of those trolls who's too stupid to realize when he's knocked his own head over the centerfield fence.


So, yeah...flip a coin. If you're really bored, I'd recommend it...otherwise, not much to see. It's not like there's a shortage of tards lining up to prove how dumb they are with one post, and then rush to cement it with the next.

So, pretty much "same old, same old." While real peole of faith base their beliefs strictly on faith, Not-So is using a negative-scientific "proof" as a reason to believe. I suppose anyone retarded enough to get SCS on the agnostic side might be worth a skim.


BTW -- much of the surface of the Moon is made of green cheese...and until I see proof otherwise, this will be accepted as fact...by EVERYONE. Because I said so.(OK, Roz...I just summed up this whole exercise in one postscript...save yourself the trouble).

Blah blah blah blah.... pathetic...

I see the reading comprehension problem is still in effect.... But you add arrogance to the mix as well... I guess that makes you twice as short sighted as everyone else...

If you have something to say to me then say it. I will do my best to speak on your level so you can comprehend what I believe. Or should I let you and your girlfriend continue to make out with each other while other people try to discuss the thread topic?

By the way.... I am not a troll.... but if it makes you feel more superior to call me that, then go ahead. I wouldn't want to bruise your ego....

Am I the only one that has tried to stay on topic in this thread?

Nacho wrote: If you have something to say to me then say it.

Uhm...yeah.

Thanks for that. I never would have thought of doing that...not really my style.



What I have to say to you, is "you're a fucking idiot." That pretty well sums it all up. Your complete lack of any and all ability to form any sort of logical argument, when you were the one who actually went fishing for an argument says all that needs to be said, as far as that goes.


But no, really -- I'm sure your complete lack of any logic or rational thought is entirely the fault of other people's "lack of reading comprehension," rather than you having marbles in your mouth, and inability to employ the same rules of debate you demand from others.


I'm suprised your "prominant mind and education"(still laughing...see if you can figure out why I'm not alone there) didn't pick up on the fact that the post of mine you quoted wasn't adressed to you in any way, shape, or form, and was merely a reply to a question directly adressed to me, asking for commentary on the readability of your self-abuse.

I'm suprised your superlative "reading comprehension" didn't hone in on that concept.

What do you want? He's a Cowboy fan.

Dinsdale wrote:What I have to say to you, is "you're a fucking idiot." That pretty well sums it all up. Your complete lack of any and all ability to form any sort of logical argument, when you were the one who actually went fishing for an argument says all that needs to be said, as far as that goes.

Fishing? Kind of like what you did with your candid opinion. Or do you call that pillow talk between you and your girlfriend....

Dinsdale wrote:But no, really -- I'm sure your complete lack of any logic or rational thought is entirely the fault of other people's "lack of reading comprehension," rather than you having marbles in your mouth, and inability to employ the same rules of debate you demand from others.

Are you serious? You mean like trying to keep people on topic instead of chasing after rabbit trails? Did you think before you came up with that?

Dinsdale wrote:I'm suprised your "prominant mind and education"(still laughing...see if you can figure out why I'm not alone there) didn't pick up on the fact that the post of mine you quoted wasn't adressed to you in any way, shape, or form, and was merely a reply to a question directly adressed to me, asking for commentary on the readability of your self-abuse.

I'm suprised your superlative "reading comprehension" didn't hone in on that concept.

Your pillow talk was bait and I took it to see if you wanted to speak about any of said subject or if you were going to stay on the fence being a critic. Of course most critics can't play the game so they sit back and mouth off.... I knew you would respond like this. I was hoping for a little more originality...

By the way if you HAD any reading comprehension you would see that I never claimed to have a prominent mind. I stated that many well known scientists didn't agree with the whole BS of Atheism. And as for the education question I still am wondering about that one. I expected better from so many people that were so full of their own knowledge from reading in here. But I see it is more about being small minded, arrogant, and hypocritical when posting here.

So if you want to spout off commentary from the peanut gallery go ahead. It really doesn't matter to me. I am going to write what I want to write about. I am going to give my opinion when it isn't asked and I am going to bring something to the table when it comes to a discussion. But that is just me. I am not here to change the world or to make people like me. I could care less about being seen as a person of influence on this or any board. It is a meager existence if that were to be a motivational factor in posting here.

So love me or hate me I don't care. I am here and either you can ignore me and what I have to say and move on or you can learn to deal with me having every right as any other poster on this board to say whatever the hell I want to say on any given subject. But One thing I will do when I talk about a subject.... Is that I will talk about the subject at hand....

Just add to the discussion or get off. It may be the only way some people ever learn about other peoples views.

Nacho, send a PM to this guy. He might be able to help. Seriously.

On another note, try reading this, if you haven't.

It might help with your "argument."

Nacho wrote:But I see it is more about being small minded, arrogant, and hypocritical when posting here.

Welcome to the board.

RadioFan, that wasn't very theological of you.

mvscal wrote:

Nacho wrote:If you have something to say to me then say it.

Go fuck yourself.

Wrong troll.