T1B

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:50 pm**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:For all of you Moss haytas...

IF dude plays until he's just 35 and averages a mere 60 catches, 700 yds, and 5 TDs he'll be in the Top 5 in all of those categories.

mvscal wrote:Nobody else on that list rates.

I value your totally unbiased and straight forward opinion.

You assume there will be 5 different teams that will be willing to sign Moss each year to get to those numbers. This is what makes this year so pivotal for him.. shut up, produce and play hard.. he might get those 5 years.
Act like the malcontent that he is on and off the field and he's done in 2-3 years tops.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:17 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:You assume there will be 5 different teams that will be willing to sign Moss each year to get to those numbers.

I assume nothing. I'm just pointing out the obvious... he needs about 300 catches, 3500 yards, and 25 TDs to be a sure fire HOF'er. He could accomplish this in 3 years. He could also be out of the league in 3 years. The point being... even with the last few years of his career being pure shit, he's way ahead of HOF pace.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:32 pm**

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
BSmack wrote:But feel free to flail away at one part of Tomlinson's HoF resume in your enduring attempt to make people think you know anything about football. It sure is entertaining.
Your football "takes" are just as rancid as the rhino shit you spew in other forums. Seriously... what you lack in quality compared to the many KC Tards who populate our community, you more than make up for with your career numbers. You don't really stand out as far as Tards go... but you're a compiler. You're the Don Sutton of Message Board Tards.

And you're acting like a tard who flames just to flame. Want to try to refute a damn thing I posted?

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:37 pm**

mvscal wrote:The fact that he said, "I play when I want to play.", means that he will never belong in the Professional Football Hall of Fame. I couldn't care less about his numbers.

Exactly.

Much like a certain whiney cunt who has the unmitigated gall to call out the behavior of the team that just whooped his ass in his own house, despite the fact that said whiney cunt never said word one about his teammate, The Juice*, who is the biggest jackass dancing-around-show-up-your-opponent tard in the game.

The tard has no place in the professional football HoF...but he's a first ballot for the Whiney Bitch HoF.

* -- Heck, they could even call him Gene Gene The Dancing Machine -- that nickname has been used before, right?

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:41 pm**

You claimed a player's behavior should disqualify him for entry to the Hall. I merely took your theme to the next logical step.

He only has class when he feels like it.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:26 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
He only has class when he feels like it.

Guess he didnt feel like it when he came out in the newspaper here and said that he's been to many dogfights and grew up going to them.

Its all good though, because he's too "classy" to "fight" his own dog because he loves it too much.

Every time this dumbfuck opens his mouth, he shows just how much of a pussy ass shitbag he truly is.

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:01 pm**

Raydah James wrote:

Guess he didnt feel like it when he came out in the newspaper here and said that he's been to many dogfights and grew up going to them.

Its all good though, because he's too "classy" to "fight" his own dog because he loves it too much.

Link?

Posted: **Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:06 pm**

trev wrote: Link?

It was in SD's local rag, you braindead fuck.

That's Ladainian The Stilt Tomlinson's idea of "class" during all of the fallout from Vick's current scandal... distance himself by saying "yeah, I haven't been to one in years. I'm da'man!"

Probably not quite as stupid as "you guys shouldn't dance in our building, even though our star player thinks he's auditioning for the Gong Show in everybody else's building," but pretty stupid, nonetheless.

Complete POS tard. Best thing the guy could do would be to never speak outside of his own home again -- it never ends well for him.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:51 am**

Cuda wrote:None of them will make it in- or should!

Why shouldn't Harrison make it?

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:03 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:There is simply no comparison of the 2 in terms of who is HOF material and who is not.

Yeah, there is. Neither is currently qualified for the HOF. Fred will never get his numbers, so I think he never gets in to the HOF. If "Snake" Tomlinson snaps his leg, then he's forever outside looking in as well.

It's the hall of fame, not the Hall of Very Good. Just because "TD" Tomlinson has had several very good years, does not mean he's amassed HOF career numbers.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:25 pm**

Headhunter wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:There is simply no comparison of the 2 in terms of who is HOF material and who is not.
Yeah, there is. Neither is currently qualified for the HOF. Fred will never get his numbers, so I think he never gets in to the HOF. If "Snake" Tomlinson snaps his leg, then he's forever outside looking in as well.

It's the hall of fame, not the Hall of Very Good. Just because "TD" Tomlinson has had several very good years, does not mean he's amassed HOF career numbers.

6 years in and Tomlinson already has more than 100 TDs and has AVERAGED 1500 yards a season. What about that do you not understand to be HoF worthy?

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:41 pm**

Bri, he's still only 24th all-time in rushing yds.

What if he was four yrs in and had averaged 1500 yds a season.
Would you vote him in?

Is six yrs a magical barrier .... or five?

Or what if he did it for three yrs?

What's your standard?

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:50 pm**

BSmack wrote:6 years in and Tomlinson already has more than 100 TDs and has AVERAGED 1500 yards a season. What about that do you not understand to be HoF worthy?

Headhunter wrote:I still don't think Tomlinson's numbers put him in the Hall if he never takes another snap. I don't believe he has, as of yet, put together a Hall of Fame resume. He's getting close. But if his leg snaps tomorrow, he's no Hall of Fame back in my opinion.

If you ask me, you'll need to crack the top 10 in rushing yards before I'd consider a back to have HOF number. As it stands, he's around 2-3 seasons away from that.

Apparently 24th is good enough for you.

Warrick Dunn will be pleased. So will Eddie George, and Tiki Barber.

Having trouble with English? Pretty straight forward.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:33 pm**

R-Jack wrote:Uhhhhh...........the fact he is only six years in.

He keep it up, no problem. If Mean Ladanian Greene ended his carrer today, it's a no. People don't get into the Hall on the potential for greatness.

Tomlinson has done more than show "potential for greatness", he has shown greatness. His production has been at the most elite level his entire career. He's made 5 Pro Bowls, he's an NFL MVP, he's the all time single season rushing TD and overall TD record holder, he's the fastest player to 100 TDs in the history of the league and he broke Paul Hornung's single season points record, a record that was once thought to be completely unassailable by modern players. How anybody in their right mind can look at Tomlinson's career to date and say that if he got hurt he wouldn't be a first ballot HoFer absolutely boggles the imagination. He more than passes the Gayle Sayers test. Not that he'll have to pass that test. He's probably going to make a serious run at Emmitt Smith before he's done.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:50 pm**

If LaCuntlian "The Pearl" Tomlinson severs both legs in a tragic bass fishing accident, never to cry again after being bitchslapped out of the playoffs, he'll still be enshrined in Canton.

A precedent has already been set. See Gale Sayers**. LC is putting up numbers never seen before = TDs, Receptions for a RB, Combined Rushing and Rec Yds... he's dominated his position for 6 years. Sayers did it for only 5.

More recently in a different sport, see Kirby Puckett. If your career is cut short due to injury, HOF voters definitely take a hard look at players who dominated over a shorter period of time. Fuck the Don Suttons and B-Smacked's of the world. Compilers don't necessarily mean greatness either.

** I guess I should have read the post previous to mine.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:58 pm**

Yep, I'm sure he will. RB's have a propensity for long, sustained careers.

Jebus, B, take his cock out of your mouth long enough to see that everyone else here is saying he's on the path to a HOF career, just not there. It's also worth noting that he's well on his way to an Earl Campbell like situation of overuse. He'll pass Campbell's attempts this year. Year 7, same as Earl played his entire career.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:20 pm**

Headhunter wrote:Yep, I'm sure he will. RB's have a propensity for long, sustained careers.

Jebus, B, take his cock out of your mouth long enough to see that everyone else here is saying he's on the path to a HOF career, just not there. It's also worth noting that he's well on his way to an Earl Campbell like situation of overuse. He'll pass Campbell's attempts this year. Year 7, same as Earl played his entire career.

He'll also pass Campbell in rushing yards this year. Probably by week 2 or 3. That's right. He'll pass Hall of Famer Earl Freaking Campbell this year.

Keep spinning.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:31 pm**

I'm spinning? Holy Fuck are you retarded. Let's go to the tape!

BSmack wrote:Shaun Alexander- Probably Has worse numbers than LaDanian
Fred Taylor- No Has better career numbers than LaDanian & Alexandar
Corey Dillon- No Has better career numbers than LaDanian, Earl Campbell, & OJ
Curtis Martin- Definitely I agree on this one. #4 all time rusher.
Edgerrin James- Not likely, unless he shows that he was not just a product of Indy's system by having some significant success in AZ. Better numbers than Earl, Shaun Alexandar & Tomlinson already

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:01 pm**

You know, it's interesting to listen to the "LT would deserve to get in because Earl did ... or Gale did" take.
Truth be told, Earl and Gale have probably the two weakest RB resumes in the Hall.
In fact, I think you can make a strong case that neither guy should have made it.
Sayers' numbers are piddly (although he was a phenomenal return man), and Earl is only 23rd on the all-time rush list.

They both became, though, sort of became Bunyanesque.

"Why I remember the day Earl .... did such and such."
Ditto for Gale Sayers.

Does LT have the same sort of Paul Bunyan quality?

Not quite, IMO.

I'm just not sold that he'd definitely get in at this point, and I KNOW that I wouldn't vote him in.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:14 pm**

Headhunter wrote:I'm spinning? Holy Fuck are you retarded. Let's go to the tape!

BSmack wrote:Shaun Alexander- Probably Has worse numbers than LaDanian
Fred Taylor- No Has better career numbers than LaDanian & Alexandar
Corey Dillon- No Has better career numbers than LaDanian, Earl Campbell, & OJ
Curtis Martin- Definitely I agree on this one. #4 all time rusher.
Edgerrin James- Not likely, unless he shows that he was not just a product of Indy's system by having some significant success in AZ. Better numbers than Earl, Shaun Alexandar & Tomlinson already

The original question was "Will they make the Hall of Fame?", not "Will they make it RIGHT NOW?"

I answered that question based on what I expected each player to do in their remaining career. Then we got into the debate about Tomlinson making the Hall if he never played another down.

I know the only way you could even possibly hope to gain some face in this argument is to move the goalposts, but seriously, try not to make it so transparent.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:29 pm**

Gain some face? You really are an Ubertard.

I've been very specific the whole fucking thread. My original post calls for people to either state that their current numbers qualify them, or that you think their career will lead them there. I also stated that I believe at this point a RB needs to crack into the top 10 rushing to be qualified for the HOF. Sayers doesn't belong, and Earl is questionable.

You picked a little from column B, and a Little from column B. And then have stood there shouting about how you're right. You use stats to back your argument, and then yet ignore the same stats when they point to your other picks as being retarded.

So go ahead and bury me, once and for all. No need for me to save face. What, pray tell, is your qualifications for a RB to gain entrance into the hall of fame? Granted, I can see the Peter King like stupidity about to flow from your keyboard, but enlighten us all regardless.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:39 pm**

Headhunter wrote:Gain some face? You really are an Ubertard.

Ubertard is so 1997. Get with the times douchenozzle.

I've been very specific the whole fucking thread. My original post calls for people to either state that their current numbers qualify them, or that you think their career will lead them there.

Not sure what fucking planet you're on, but the post of mine you just C&Ped to "prove" your point was in reply to POPTART's post, not YOUR POST.

Got it?

Last I checked, Poptart just wanted to know who would make the HoF, not who would make it RIGHT NOW. Your attempt to change the direction of the thread happened AFTER I replied to Poptart.

Thickheaded much?

I also stated that I believe at this point a RB needs to crack into the top 10 rushing to be qualified for the HOF. Sayers doesn't belong, and Earl is questionable.

I'm pretty sure at the time of his retirement, Campbell was in the top 10.

You picked a little from column B, and a Little from column B. And then have stood there shouting about how you're right. You use stats to back your argument, and then yet ignore the same stats when they point to your other picks as being retarded.

I already told you why TO would get hosed by the writers. Do you seriously want me to go

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Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:42 pm**

Gale Sayers doesn't belong in the Hall. If he does, then so do a bunch of other guys.

How can you keep Terrell Davis out when Sayers is in? My hope, is that the HOF voters quit being nostalgic and use their fucking heads. Other wise we get Ricky Waters in the Hall, Terry Allen, Tiki Barber and a bunch of other GOOD running backs.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:22 pm**

Some of y'all's crack me up.

All these resounding "yes" votes on Shoeless Joe Tomlinson, but "no" across the board for Edge(wait... isn't Edge a guitar player for U2? We might need a Chargertard ruling on the use of Edge).

You do realize that it was in the later weeks of last season that Tiny Nate Tomlinson passed Edge as the player who averages the most yards from scrimmage per game in NFL history, right? And a comeback year, in terms of statistics, would put Edge ahead again as the most productive RB in NFL history, right? And that Edge has done it for longer, without nearly as good defenses behind him to get him back on the field faster, right? And that he actually played on a team that had other people who could score in the red zone, which limits any player on a real team to more human-like TD numbers as opposed to Downtown Freddy Tomlinson, right?

But the Road to Canton is paved with Ironhead Tomlinson jerseys, but Edge isn't even in the discussion...

Ohhhhkay.

Why don't we let MJ Tomlinson do his thing a while longer before we let him off on charges of slicing up his ex and a waiter, eh?

Cory Dillon is a Husky. Therefore, he should go in the Hall over several dead bodies. The Hall of Dickweeds would be an appropriate induction, though.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:00 pm**

I notice the one portion of my response you ignored, Bsmack.

What are YOUR qualifications for a RB to gain entrance to the HOF?

I've stated mine clearly. What are yours?

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:15 pm**

Headhunter wrote:I notice the one portion of my response you ignored, Bsmack.

What are YOUR qualifications for a RB to gain entrance to the HOF?

I've stated mine clearly. What are yours?

Last I checked, the requirements are they he be retired 5 years and supported by 80% or more of the voters. After that, it is in the hands of the 39 members of the selection committee. Trying to attach an arbitrary statistical level like "must be in top 10 rushing" is nice. But it doesn't mean a damn thing to the people who's votes actually COUNT.

Or is this thread now supposed to be about who you would vote into the HoF? Please, keel free to make up your mind.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:25 pm**

Predictable puss out.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:37 pm**

trev wrote:
Raydah James wrote:

Guess he didnt feel like it when he came out in the newspaper here and said that he's been to many dogfights and grew up going to them.

Its all good though, because he's too "classy" to "fight" his own dog because he loves it too much.

Link?

Still waiting.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:39 pm**

trev wrote:
trev wrote:
Raydah James wrote:

Guess he didnt feel like it when he came out in the newspaper here and said that he's been to many dogfights and grew up going to them.

Its all good though, because he's too "classy" to "fight" his own dog because he loves it too much.

Link?
Still waiting.

Go to sign on San Diego and do the search yourself. It was even talked about on KUSI news here the day he said it-but of course, they painted it as a "rosy" picture because he hasnt seen or betted on a dog killed by another dog in years.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:41 pm**

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/su ... livan.html

Real hard google search Ladanian Dog Fighting. 1st link.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:49 pm**

RJ, I hate the UT. And look at the poorly written article. *shiver* It didn't say LT bet on dogs. It said it's what happened in the Texas country for entertainment. Which he says is wrong.

Quote from the article:

“You know it's a felony,” Tomlinson said. “The things that are going on now with animal rights people, they protect animals. And they should. So someone of (Vick's) stature, there's no question he has to stay clear from it.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:49 pm**

The fucking headline is hilarious....

"Note to Vick: LT has left dog days in the past"

Oh, that makes OK then.

And after reading this:

Sign on San Diego wrote: Though LT said yesterday he had not attended a dogfight in years – maybe not since junior high school – they were a common diversion during the Texas boyhood of the NFL's Most Valuable Player

Is there any doubt that this dumbfuck has still attended them at one time or another in the past 7 years?

Fucking tard.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:54 pm**

Raydah James wrote:

Is there any doubt that this dumbfuck has still attended them at one time or another in the past 7 years?

I have no idea. I hope to God not.

Fucking tard.

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Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:02 pm**

Trev, he admitted that it was a common diversion for himself, his friends, and his family during his entire childhood. The key word there is "common"......as in "nothing wrong with it".

If you really think that he hasnt attended one with a cousin or a one of the best friends he grew up going to them with, then you are as delusional as the newscast morons who were celebrating the fact that he hadnt been to one in "years".

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:02 pm**

Headhunter wrote:Predictable puss out.

Sorry if I don't live in your narrow black and white world. My apologies for making you think. Lord knows it must have hurt.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:05 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Don't worry, he'll be there to slip the ref a few franklins so they can barely beat your team on a shit call

Yeah, pretty much.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:29 pm**

After just three years in the NFL, Gale Sayers was selected as the first team halfback on the NFL’s All Star Team of the First 50 Years. He finished with a shade under 5,000 yards rushing. Back then, that wouldn’t have put him in the top 10, but it probably had him in the top 20. He also was widely recognized as an outstanding human being.

Entrance to the Hall of Fame is not entirely measured by statistics. Otherwise, Lynn Swann would never have gotten a whiff.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:35 pm**

BSmack wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Predictable puss out.
Sorry if I don't live in your narrow black and white world. My apologies for making you think. Lord knows it must have hurt.

Actually, B... you flailed away and KYOA as per usual. All you had to do is keep it simple. If LC never played another down, he's a certain HOF.

Take any other NFL player... ever over any six year stretch of their career and I highly doubt you'll see anyone come remotely close to his 2,000 yds rush/rec and 18.5 TDs average that he's put up. Heck, I'm willing to bet you could take the best 6 years of any NFL player, EVER, and still say the same thing.

Nevermind.... dude also has 10 pass attempts, 6 TDs, and a 152 QB rating.

P.S. I am pretty sure he could knock out Chuck Norris just by looking at him. LC is a God. He can turn water into whine.

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:44 pm**

Raydah James wrote:Trev, he admitted that it was a common diversion for himself, his friends, and his family during his entire childhood. The key word there is "common"......as in "nothing wrong with it".

If you really think that he hasnt attended one with a cousin or a one of the best friends he grew up going to them with, then you are as delusional as the newscast morons who were celebrating the fact that he hadnt been to one in "years".

Athletes can't find enough ways to spend their money so they end up pissing it away on drugs, gambling and shitty investments.

Sincer,
Marcus Allen

(I'd venture to say if you could take a poll of NFL players you'd find at least 15% who've attended one of these types of events within the past 5 years. This shit isn't limited to the country side. They get busted all the time in big cities.)

Posted: **Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:48 pm**

Here's the article. Until proven otherwise, LT is taking the higher road.

To LaDainian Tomlinson, the pit bull is a term of endearment. He named his “Sweetness,” in tribute to Walter Payton, and he celebrates the breed in his Chargers locker with a ceramic bust that bears his No. 21.

“To me, a pit bull reminds me of a running back in a lot of ways,” Tomlinson said yesterday afternoon. “They can be great, sweet dogs, and they can be aggressive. They're nice-looking . . . muscular, big heads, strong and fast.”

They're just like running backs, right up until you try to pry their jaws apart.

As a football icon familiar with both the breed and the dogfighting milieu, Tomlinson has an interest in the Michael Vick investigation that exceeds idle curiosity. Though LT said yesterday he had not attended a dogfight in years – maybe not since junior high school – they were a common diversion during the Texas boyhood of the NFL's Most Valuable Player.

Advertisement“In the country it's very common,” Tomlinson said. “Guys have a tendency to get involved with it because it's gambling, like shooting dice or being at the poker table. It's just another way that guys can gamble. Some guys would do it just to say they had the baddest dog. Saturday night, you'd go to a place or somebody's back yard. There would be a lot of guys around.”
Tomlinson says he lacked the means to get involved in the gambling as an adolescent, and he never did develop much of a taste for canine combat.

“It's kind of like an (Ultimate Fighting Championship) fight almost, until someone gets hurt, you know what I mean?” Tomlinson said between minicamp workouts at the Chargers' complex. “So the initial deal is like, 'Oh, my God, look at that!' because it's an incredible thing to look at. Then something goes wrong or one of the dogs dies and your heart goes out to them – just like it was a natural fight. It's a tough thing to look at.

“I understand what it's about, but I would never do it. I couldn't see my dog fighting to death, and that's what happens most of the time. When those dogs lock on, it's to death. I could never see myself fighting my dog to death.”

Unlike Redskins lunkhead Clinton Portis, Tomlinson fully understands what all the fuss is about, why dogfighting is anathema to the animal rights activists, why the NFL has denounced the practice as “cruel, degrading and illegal” and why it's a felony in 48 states.

Unlike the mercurial Vick, whose career continues to unfold as a road map to regret, LT has figured out where false steps lead. If the careers of these two players are forever linked because of the 2001 trade that determined their draft fates, their paths have not run parallel for several seasons.

While Tomlinson has embodied class and dignity during a career of Hall of Fame caliber, Atlanta's gifted quarterback has become a magnet for negative news. In the last 14 months, Vick settled a lawsuit with a woman who alleged he had knowingly given her herpes, gestured obscenely at Falcons fans, been detained at Miami International Airport because of drug suspicions and been classified as a “coach killer” by the father of his (then) coach, Jim Mora.

And now this. Though Vick has yet to be charged for the dogfighting evidence found on a property he owns, though a local prosecutor has hinted at a racial agenda in the federal investigation, and though one of Vick's cousins says, “Everything going on is really my fault,” the damage to Vick's image is likely irreparable.

An unnamed police informant has identified Vick as “one of the heavyweights” in an interview with ESPN. Even if Vick's involvement is indirect, Tomlinson believes he should have known better.

“You know it's a felony,” Tomlinson said. “The things that are going on now with animal rights people, they protect animals. And they should. So someone of (Vick's) stature, there's no question he has to stay clear from it.

“It's a very tough deal that Vick is in. I feel like maybe at times you think (something) is not really bad till something happens. Then, oh my goodness, people are making a big deal out of it.”

When an athlete attains the level of fame of a Michael Vick or a LaDainian Tomlinson, the most trivial matters can become a big deal in an eye-blink. Superstars usually develop an instinct for con men, leeches and trouble-prone companions, but some of them never learn to exercise the appropriate amount of caution.

“There are all kinds of scams that people try to pull on you,” Tomlinson said. “A while ago there was a girl who said I got her pregnant when I was in high school. I didn't know who the girl was. She claimed I had a 10-year-old son.

“Stuff like that happens. There are people coming at you wanting you to put your money in certain things that you know aren't right. Why get involved in something like that? It's just not worth it.”

LaDainian Tomlinson says he has been sufficiently enriched by football to resist “wasting my money” on gambling. Neither is he inclined to place his reputation at risk. When it comes to character, he hangs on like a pit bull.

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