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We got 6” of wet snow Saturday night into Sunday morning, then it switched over to freezing rain. Impossible to push a snow-blower through it. You had to break it into chunks, then shovel the chunks.

The plowtrucks didn’t get to the residential streets till late in the day, and by then the stuff was pounded down and frozen so tightly to the pavement, it was damaging the plows. No salt being used as it would just wind up in our lakes.

I believe we’re getting 4” inches of fresh snow on top of that starting in about an hour. Business as usual up here in God’s Country. Fuck all the weather pussies.

PSUFAN wrote:As recently as Sunday night it was 52 degrees here. It rained like hell here for a few days, then got cold enough to become snow.

Last March, the salt truck rolled through the neighborhood. Dude went fucking NUTS on the salt hammer. I went out a little bit later with a shovel and filled a glad bag with extra road salt. That'll definitely be enough for me to use on my walk for the winter.

Wolfman, I wish they would be more judicious in the use of salt. It is often overused here.

Lemme guess, it was under 15 degrees when dude went nuts on the salt in your street? Having spent 2 winters plowing snow for NYS DOT, I can tell you that the WORST job you can ever pull in a highway department is to have to chip out a load of frozen salt from a salt spreader. It makes flagging on a 14 hour paving job look like a veritable picnic. Ergo, drivers will do anything in their power to flush out as much salt as possible to avoid freezing. This usually happens when the temps are under 15 degrees.

The other option is that the guy behind the wheel was spinning off the last of his load just before heading back to the shop so he wouldn't have to run it off the hopper in the salt shed. In that case, he's just a lazy fuck who doesn't want to do his job. Highway departments are full of guys like that. In fact, it's pretty much a way of life.

The one thing I am certain of is that the engineers running either PENNDOT or your local highway department did not approve of what that driver did on your street. Every highway department that spreads salt spends time every year lecturing their drivers on the proper way to spread salt. That shit is expensive and can make or break a departmental budget for the year.

BShoveled, give the soloflex a rest and get out there and clear your walk like a good neighbor. Enough of the girlish wailing.

Already done it. And I'll be doing it again tonight. And tomorrow morning. Any good Upstater knows that if you don't keep up with a good snowfall, you're just begging for a day long ice chipping session.

Lemme guess, it was under 15 degrees when dude went nuts on the salt in your street?

No - it was after a late March snowfall.

PSUFAN wrote:As recently as Sunday night it was 52 degrees here.

First thing this AM, it was 55. Then again, the only place in the northern half of the country in winter is Seattle... which I'll pass on. But it won't be long before 55 is just a fantasy, and if it does hit 55 or more, I'll be dying of heat stroke.

Hopefully, we're done with the 5+ inches of rain in a two day stretch, but shit's been known to happen around here this time of year. If it happens again anytime soon, it would cause some major flooding. But give the rivers a week or two of little to no new water to deal with, and it's just fine.


And damn, the media is funny. I saw both local (STORM WATCH 2007!!!! 24/7) and national coverage of our plight... dang, you'd think it's never rained hard before or something. And myself and about everyone I knew couldn't stop laughing when people were saying "this is as bad or worse than 1996!"

Uhm... no. Not even close.

And then there's Tillamook. As the rain started falling, my friends and I were placing bets on the Over/Under -- how long it would be before someone from Tillamook, either a "longtime resident" or a local law enforcement officer gave the annual "I've lived here forever, and this is the worst I've seen it." Funny thing about that, there's businesses there that have high water marks on the side of their buildings from floods over the years, and none of the "worst ever" years come close to the high ones. And every year we get treated to whining dairy farmers (about all Tillamook is good for) crying about their cows floating downstream, which is always accompanied by "I've never seen the water come up this fast." Really? That's odd -- I've never lived in Tillamook, and it's like 70 miles away, yet I've seen the water rise faster than that... and I don't live on the riverbank. Freaking tards. If I'm not mistaken, FEMA got sick and tired of Tillamook's act, where you get a contractor's license, and your next door neighbor gets a contractor's license, and when it floods every year you contract to fix your nect door neighbors house and get a fat check from FEMA. Those guys were loving it -- living on some of the country's premiere fishing streams, and getting a check for doing a little work when the fishing was off. But FEMA went and screwed it all up, and a few years back, offered residents of Tillamook County a one-time offer to buy the property, or they were on their own and can't make claims after that. Seems reasonable.



Although I was starting to feel a little bad for the Coasties -- they were getting hammered with 100+ winds for two days straight. Welcome to winter on the Oregon North Coast.


RIP, Massive Huge Sitka Spruce Tree. We had some good times, old buddy. I enjoyed peeing on you, just like Lewis and Clark did. I guess you weren't meant to live to more than 700. Oh well, your memory will live on every time I think of the hottie I nailed up against your roots in a drunken stupor.

What is this "salt" you speak of?

Sin
A State That Actually Gives A Fuck About The Environment, and has areas that eclipse any snowfall the U&R might get

Dinsdale wrote:What is this "salt" you speak of?

Sin
A State That Actually Gives A Fuck About The Environment, and has areas that eclipse any snowfall the U&R might get

Any of those areas have significant populations?

New York has areas that don't use salt either. They're generally rural areas with almost no traffic. In a metro area of 1 million people with an average annual snowfall of 100 inches a year, using sand is simply not an option.

BSmack wrote: Any of those areas have significant populations?

30,000+ people drive up to Mt Hood to ski every day in winter. Plus plaenty of other commercial traffic, and other travel.


Interstate 84 (not sure why there's a redundant Interstae 84 in the West, too, but it doesn't seem to cause much confusion) is a major highway, both for travel and commercial traffic. They damn-near invented nasty driving conditions in the Gorge, yet they seem to get by just fine without salt. The idea of washing salt into the world's premiere salmon stream is considered unfathomable.

an average annual snowfall of 100 inches

The areas I speak of haven't quite had 100 inches yet this season, but it just started snowing in the last couple of weeks(and had some warm rain on top of what was there). But they've had well over half of that total already... and the highways are still open... without salt.


If you're driving through a heavy snow zone, better be sporting a 4WD, and have chains on you, and make sure the roads are being plowed. If you don't have those things, then stay the fuck home... pretty simple.


Only chemical they use around here is some high-tech enviro-friendly shit that they put down before snowfall/ice is expected(which they don't do in heavy snow areas, since it's useless there, and is just for the heavily populated areas, and must be put down in advance, and only works on small amounts... like down here in the Lowlands). Shit turns to some totally inert compound beginning with its first exposure to moisture, and it's broken down before it has a chance to get into the streams... or so they tell me.


"Salt" is a dirty word around here when talking about the DOT.

Dinsdale wrote:The areas I speak of haven't quite had 100 inches yet this season

My bad -- Timberline Lodge is up over 120 inches in the last couple of weeks or so.

Dinsdale wrote: RIP, Massive Huge Sitka Spruce Tree.

I'm gonna miss that tree......

Felix wrote:I'm gonna miss that tree......

I was supposed to take an early morning road trip yesterday to go get a chunk as a souvenir... except every coastal highway was closed, and trying to take logging roads or whatnot would have been both impossible and insane(and it wouldn't have been the first time for me).





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It was nice of Mother Nature to plant that badboy right near where the highway was eventually going to go through. Truly a U&L landmark of epic proportion. I've caught quite a few winter steelhead in that park, standing near that damn tree.

Sucker's been on it's last legs for decades now, after lightning strikes burned out some of the innards, which eventually turned to rot. But hell, trees don't live forever... 700-750 years is a pretty good run for a fir tree, especially one in a heavy logging area.

Dinsdale wrote:

BSmack wrote:Any of those areas have significant populations?

30,000+ people drive up to Mt Hood to ski every day in winter. Plus plaenty of other commercial traffic, and other travel.

Yawn...

Try double and triple that for major roads in Upstate NY.

Interstate 84 (not sure why there's a redundant Interstae 84 in the West, too, but it doesn't seem to cause much confusion) is a major highway, both for travel and commercial traffic. They damn-near invented nasty driving conditions in the Gorge, yet they seem to get by just fine without salt. The idea of washing salt into the world's premiere salmon stream is considered unfathomable.

I'm sure folks driving on I-81 north of Syracuse will be VERY amused to hear how "nasty" the Gorge is. Funny, that area also sports salmon runs. Quite a few of them.

The areas I speak of haven't quite had 100 inches yet this season, but it just started snowing in the last couple of weeks(and had some warm rain on top of what was there). But they've had well over half of that total already... and the highways are still open... without salt.

The record snowfall for Portland is 60 inches. Here in Rochester we call 60 inches a heavy January snowfall. Places up by Lake Ontario call 60 inches a weekend snowburst.

Again, how many people actually LIVE in the high snowfall areas?

If you're driving through a heavy snow zone, better be sporting a 4WD, and have chains on you, and make sure the roads are being plowed. If you don't have those things, then stay the fuck home... pretty simple.

Care to guess as to the environmental impact of 100,000+ commuters a day running with chains on their rigs? You would have to repave EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

Only chemical they use around here is some high-tech enviro-friendly shit that they put down before snowfall/ice is expected(which they don't do in heavy snow areas, since it's useless there, and is just for the heavily populated areas, and must be put down in advance, and only works on small amounts... like down here in the Lowlands). Shit turns to some totally inert compound beginning with its first exposure to moisture, and it's broken down before it has a chance to get into the streams... or so they tell me.

I'm familiar with what you speak of. They run that on the Bay Bridge up by the lake to combat bridge freezing on the 1800 foot long span. It works great for freezing rain situation. Not so great for anything over 6 inches.

"Salt" is a dirty word around here when talking about the DOT.

And yet here in NY we have been able to use salt and maintain environmental quality.

Bode NY.

Dinsdale wrote:

Felix wrote:I'm gonna miss that tree......

I was supposed to take an early morning road trip yesterday to go get a chunk as a souvenir... except every coastal highway was closed, and trying to take logging roads or whatnot would have been both impossible and insane(and it wouldn't have been the first time for me).





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It was nice of Mother Nature to plant that badboy right near where the highway was eventually going to go through. Truly a U&L landmark of epic proportion. I've caught quite a few winter steelhead in that park, standing near that damn tree.

Sucker's been on it's last legs for decades now, after lightning strikes burned out some of the innards, which eventually turned to rot. But hell, trees don't live forever... 700-750 years is a pretty good run for a fir tree, especially one in a heavy logging area.

I pictured you with smaller tits.

Hairline on that tree trunk skank looks very Pirahnaish.

Gotta be him.

Wendy_Lou_Dins

BSmack wrote:The record snowfall for Portland is 60 inches.

With average winter temps going up about two degrees over the last 25 years, 60 inches ain't happening until the climate cools back down someday. Hasn't been more than about 4 inches of snow at a time here in... as long as I can remember... and it only does that every couplefew years.


Of course, I was talking about the areas east of Portland, which have at times held the world record for snowfall in a winter (now held by Mt Baker in Washington, who sported a 96-foot total several year back). Why live in a constant blizzard when you can live right down the highway and rarely deal with snow, if ever? I can take a pretty short drive this time of year, and be buried in all the snow I care to... which I don't care to.

Here in Rochester we call 60 inches a heavy January snowfall.

Here in the U&L, the ski resorts refer to that as a "disaster." 60 inches would be a pretty dry January.

Again, how many people actually LIVE in the high snowfall areas?

Two kinds of people -- ski bums and idiots.

Of course, since there's no ski resorts in Rochester or your other populated heavy snowfall zones, there's little debate on which category you people fall into.

Why would anyone who doesn't work at a ski resort (which around here, they get 5000 job applications for every open resort position) live in such a place, when they can live a short drive from it? That would make them "retards."

Care to guess as to the environmental impact of 100,000+ commuters a day running with chains on their rigs?

Very little -- and a FUCKLOAD less than putting salt on the roads. Of course, 'round these parts, where several feet of mountain snow is a common occurance, we understand that after a few chained-vehicles clear the way, the vehicles that follow don't need the chains. Combine that with snowplows, and it ain't a big deal, if one is prepared.

You would have to repave EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

Uhm... newsflash... Volcanoes? Glaciers? "New" geological formations with rapid erosion? Ever heard these terms? The mountain roads are in need of resurfacing every year regardless -- whether or not they get it is another matter, but the surface of the mountain passes is trashed every year. Who gives a fuck about running chains over a short-lived surface anyway?

BSmack wrote:Funny, that area also sports salmon runs.

Can't... Stop... Laughing...



Yes, there are some very small runs of Pacific Salmon in the Great Lakes. I'm quite familiar with this... since those fish that the Great Lakes Basin was stocked with weren't just U&L fish... they were Portland-area fish(for the most part).


See, those "salmon runs" you refer to (I'll cut the U&R some slack for not really understanding a "salmon run," since they don't know any better), are the result of fish hatcheries(which we also taught you people about). Don't claim some environmental victory because you pump non-native fish out of a fish hatchery... puh-leez. My personal favorite salmon stream has no hatchery fish released whatsoever, and I'll bet I can see more fish in one day than the Great Lakes will see in an entire run. When they're running right, you can walk across their backs and not get your feet wet.

And yet here in NY we have been able to use salt and maintain environmental quality.

Bode NY.

Dude -- you aren't really trying to claim environmetal-BODE for NY over Oregon... are you?


Please tell me that didn't just happen? Actually, please tell me it did -- it would be a great addition to BSmacked's Tard HoF resume.

Dinsdale wrote:

BSmack wrote:The record snowfall for Portland is 60 inches.

With average winter temps going up about two degrees over the last 25 years, 60 inches ain't happening until the climate cools back down someday. Hasn't been more than about 4 inches of snow at a time here in... as long as I can remember... and it only does that every couplefew years.

Of course, I was talking about the areas east of Portland, which have at times held the world record for snowfall in a winter (now held by Mt Baker in Washington, who sported a 96-foot total several year back). Why live in a constant blizzard when you can live right down the highway and rarely deal with snow, if ever? I can take a pretty short drive this time of year, and be buried in all the snow I care to... which I don't care to.

Of course you were talking about lightly populated areas. If you weren't, you U&Lers would have American Rock Salt Co. in Mount Morris, NY on motherfucking speed dial.

Very little -- and a FUCKLOAD less than putting salt on the roads. Of course, 'round these parts, where several feet of mountain snow is a common occurance, we understand that after a few chained-vehicles clear the way, the vehicles that follow don't need the chains. Combine that with snowplows, and it ain't a big deal, if one is prepared.

You would have to repave EVERY FUCKING YEAR.

Uhm... newsflash... Volcanoes? Glaciers? "New" geological formations with rapid erosion? Ever heard these terms? The mountain roads are in need of resurfacing every year regardless -- whether or not they get it is another matter, but the surface of the mountain passes is trashed every year. Who gives a fuck about running chains over a short-lived surface anyway?

You live around a volcano? And you call other people tards?

Never mind, some people will never understand that a few feet of snow is a fair trade off for a near complete lack of weather/geological disasters. But hey, we call 126 mile an hour winds "shit people too stupid to live in NY have to deal with".

BTW: NY roads don't get, nor do they need resurfacing every year. But I can damn sure guarantee that they would be repaving I-490 in Rochester every single year if you had 100,000 cars a day with chains tearing that fucker up.

gourmet PA road salt?
funniest line in this thread--at least to a former resident of CNY---
like I said--i do not miss it AT ALL--and hanging up my Sears Craftsman Drift Buster ®
was one of the best moves i ever made !!
The only salt I see down here is in the Gulf on the beach at Sanibel.

BSmack wrote:Of course you were talking about lightly populated areas. If you weren't, you U&Lers would have American Rock Salt Co. in Mount Morris, NY on motherfucking speed dial.

Serious question -- are you really this fucking stupid, or are you just doing the "trolling with stupidity" bit?

Uhm... 30,000 people don't seem to have a problem getting up to My Hood every day. A great many others don't stop at the resorts, and just keep on driving.


Now, how do you figure 100,000 people are going to have any more problems than 30,000? Seems to me (and anyone else with an IQ over 65) that if 30,000 vehicles successfully navigate those roads every day, another 70,000 or however many are going to be able to navigate the same roads. If 30,000 can get through without salt, 5,000,000 can do the same.


But then again, simple logic and common sense aren't your strong suits, which you confirm with great vigor on a regular basis.

You live around a volcano? And you call other people tards?

I live in proximity to two. One last erupted 200 years ago, the other is active right now. And I like my chances of surviving them quite a bit better than if I'm being buried under snow in lowlands for 5 months out of the year.

Or, in words a douche such as yourself might understand...

How many people have been killed by volcanoes in the U&L in the last 25 years?(I'll give you a hint: That number rhymes with "hero.")

How many people have died in weather related fatalities, be it traffic or otherwise in Upstate NY in the last 25 years?

Never mind, some people will never understand that a few feet of snow is a fair trade off for a near complete lack of weather/geological disasters.

In my 40 U&L years, let's see...

There was an F4 tornado that knocked a bunch of power out, which only æffected me because I was downtown with my Mom when I was 4 years old. I think that tornado did kill like 6 kids when it touched down on an elementary school. But over 35 years since any major tornadoes hit(and the entire state averages about 1.5 a year, and mostly on the Dryside, where it's extremely sparsely populated).

A couple years of nasty ice storms in the late 70's, occasional freezing rain and that sort of thing, but certainly not a yearly event.

Rung up a couple of 5.6 earthquakes, with extremely minor damage.

Got covered in volcano ash a couple of times, which FUCKS UP a car's paint, and takes years to fully clean up, but certainly wasn't any sort of catasrophic risk.

Windstorms and landslides -- sure, common occurance in winter. That's why we sell the houses on active slides and those beneath unstable trees to transplants.


Other than that, can't really think of too many catastrophic events, save for some nasty floods... which I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the country is prone to at some time or another.

But hey, we call 126 mile an hour winds "shit people too stupid to live in NY have to deal with".

First off, if you're painting NY as some mecca of smart people, you're probably about to get piled on. You deal with shit weather for half the year, and this makes you somehow enlightened? You GO, boyeeee!

Second, there hasn't been winds over 100MPH here inland in my lifetime. Us people who are smart enough to not live in either NY or the Oregon Coast have a word for the North Coast in winter -- we call it "uninhabitable." But apparently, dairy farmers don't see it that way.

BTW: NY roads don't get, nor do they need resurfacing every year.

I specifically mentioned mountain passes. How many mountain passes do you traverse in your daily commute? Mountains tend to be less geologically stable than lowlands... tell me you knew?

But I can damn sure guarantee that they would be repaving I-490 in Rochester every single year if you had 100,000 cars a day with chains tearing that fucker up.

Yup. That's why 'round these parts, unless we're in a big hurry, we wait for a snowplow to go through first. If it's snowing hard enough that the snowplows are ineffective, then guess what? There's enough snow on the ground that the chains never make contact with the pavement... not even close.

Damn, for a guy who lives in a snowed-in shithole, you don't seem to know much about driving in the snow. But then again, you're one of those "enlightened" people that thinks living in a snowed-in chunk of real-estate makes you "smart," so anything you say should be taken with a grain of salt.

Then again, one of our snowy enclaves made the national headlines for about a week last winter. One of the tards abusing our rescue resources was from... New York. Maybe we'll ship him back, if the glacier ever recedes enough to find his corpse... might be a few decades. Dude must have thought they salted the glaciers, or something. If dude can thaw out enough, maybe he can compare and contrast U&L snowy places to those of NY, which seem to do just fine without salt, so long as you don't do anything monumentally stupid... which apparently those "smart" New Yorkers seem to be prone to doing.

Snow's cool -- as long as I don't have to come in contact with it. I just look across the valley, and there it is... most of the year... just a short drive away... where I don't have to fuck with it unless I choose to do so. And frankly, I think anyone that does choose to live in such a place is an idiot... but I encourage them to stay put.

Dinsdale wrote:Serious question -- are you really this fucking stupid, or are you just doing the "trolling with stupidity" bit?

Serious answer -- Go fuck yourself.

Uhm... 30,000 people don't seem to have a problem getting up to My Hood every day. A great many others don't stop at the resorts, and just keep on driving.

The Mt. Hood "Visitor Information Center".



I'm going to guess that place does not service 10,950,000 visitors a year.

Now, how do you figure 100,000 people are going to have any more problems than 30,000? Seems to me (and anyone else with an IQ over 65) that if 30,000 vehicles successfully navigate those roads every day, another 70,000 or however many are going to be able to navigate the same roads. If 30,000 can get through without salt, 5,000,000 can do the same.

Even if we assume your grossly inflated figures are even half right, you're still talking about TRIPLING the amount of traffic on a roadway. Hell yea there's going to be a greater impact.

I live in proximity to two. One last erupted 200 years ago, the other is active right now. And I like my chances of surviving them quite a bit better than if I'm being buried under snow in lowlands for 5 months out of the year.

Or, in words a douche such as yourself might understand...

How many people have been killed by volcanoes in the U&L in the last 25 years?(I'll give you a hint: That number rhymes with "hero.")

I love how you very conveniently left the Mt. St. Helens blast out of your timeline. Disingenuous much?

How many people have died in weather related fatalities, be it traffic or otherwise in Upstate NY in the last 25 years?

A whole lot less than would have died were the roads not salted.

In my 40 U&L years, let's see...

tornadoes
earthquakes
volcano
Windstorms
landslides

Other than that, can't really think of too many catastrophic events, save for some nasty floods... which I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the country is prone to at some time or another.

Don't see any of that here in Rochester save some very minor creek flooding.

I specifically mentioned mountain passes. How many mountain passes do you traverse in your daily commute? Mountains tend to be less geologically stable than lowlands... tell me you knew?

And I specifically mentioned that NY doesn't salt in it's mountainous regions either. That's because, now read VERY SLOWLY...

Those
roads
aren't
as
heavily
traveled.

Is it sinking in yet?

Yup. That's why 'round these parts, unless we're in a big hurry, we wait for a snowplow to go through first.

Except you've already said that the major commuting areas are in areas that rarely ever see snow. Much less any major accumulations.

Trying to get to work on time in the AM kinda DEFINES being in a big hury.

If it's snowing hard enough that the snowplows are ineffective, then guess what? There's enough snow on the ground that the chains never make contact with the pavement... not even close.

If it's snowing hard enough that snowplows aren't effective, then neither is salt. Tell me you knew? You do know that salt is for clearing the snow and ice plows can't get to? The kind of stuff that is exposed when plowing after 3-6 lake effect dustings, not 5-6 foot dumpings.

Damn, for a guy who lives in a snowed-in shithole, you don't seem to know much about driving in the snow.

You mean other than how to drive in it accident free for the last 23 years? Yet you, who only dares venture into the snow with chains on his tires presumes you know more than I about how to drive in the snow?

Tears Jerry. Tears.

BSmack wrote:[
I'm going to guess that place does not service 10,950,000 visitors a year.

And this is relevant... how?


BTW -- The Visitor Info Center is way down in the foothills in Welches/Rhodedendron. Way too much work to try and keep it clear up higher, and it's much easier to buy a Sno-Park pass when you're not in a blizzard.


But whtever point you were trying to make, I'm sure it was fucking stupid, so save it. It seems to revolve around your inability to understand that if 100 cars make it through a pass, 100,000 can drive through the same spot.

Even if we assume your grossly inflated figures are even half right

I think they are about half-right... I believe it's about 15,000 skiers and boarders a day, and about 15,000 other people for various reasons, both recreational, and the fact the resorts employ a boatload of people, the majority of which don't live near Government Camp.

you're still talking about TRIPLING the amount of traffic on a roadway. Hell yea there's going to be a greater impact.

Ah, I see... the great tactic of the Tard -- if you're having trouble hitting the goalposts, just move them.


I know you're a tard and all, but do me a favor and try and remember we were talking about keeping roadways cleared of snow, be it with or without salt.


So, no, tard. If a roadway is clear enough for 30,000 cars to pass, it's clear enough for 1,000,000,000 cars to pass.


Nice try at changing the subject after you said something really stupid(again), though.

I love how you very conveniently left the Mt. St. Helens blast out of your timeline. Disingenuous much?

OK, have it your way.


57 people were killed on Mt St Helens on May 18th, 1980(a day that will forever live in infamy in the U&L, especially to those of us who watched it go)... of course, all 57 were warned to leave in the previous days... nice shot, Chucky D.


So, in the last 27 years, how many people in NY have died weather-related deaths?


You thought this would bolster your (stupid) point... how?

In my 40 U&L years, let's see...

tornadoes
earthquakes
volcano
Windstorms
landslides

Other than that, can't really think of too many catastrophic events, save for some nasty floods... which I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the country is prone to at some time or another.

Don't see any of that here in Rochester save some very minor creek flooding.

See, those of us smart enough to not live in NY find the obvious intrinsic value in the natural wonders that create the conditions that lead to some of those (rare) disasters.


The greater the risk, the greater the reward.

I actually feel sorry for people who have written off their very existence, and cheat themselves out of some of life's greatest pleasures, which are free. I see absolutely breathtaking shit every freaking daylight hour of every freaking day. What's that worth? To me, it's certainly worth some one-in-a-billion risk that Mother Nature will smite me in my daily journies. What's funny is that people devalue themselves in the name of reducing that one-in-a-billion risk. But it's like I always say -- better you than me.

Those
roads
aren't
as
heavily
traveled.

Is it sinking in yet?

Yes, it's sinking in -- those "smart" people of NY put their time and effort into clearing flat roads, and take a pass on clearing ones ona steep grade. Makes perfect sense.

Except you've already said that the major commuting areas are in areas that rarely ever see snow. Much less any major accumulations.

Yup... wer're kinda "smart" like that -- we don't build our cities and major industrial areas where there's feet of snow... that would be fucking stupid, when there's alternatives. Of course, there is that major freaking interstate freeway that runs through the Gorge(aka "The Weather Machine")... which is kept clear for massive amounts of truck/commercial/commuter traffic, and is home to quite a few people.

Yet you, who only dares venture into the snow with chains on his tires

Huh?

Don't own a set at present(which precludes me from even driving over Mt Hood, since it's legally required). Don't own a 4WD at present. I seem to get around just fine.

presumes you know more than I about how to drive in the snow?

Dude, you just don't seem to understand... you're a fucking idiot. Everyone on Planet Earth generally knows more about every subject than you do. It's not a function of life experience in your case -- it's all about your very limited capacity for reason and logic.


Dude, with the accumen you've displayed here, it's quite clear the Cascades would absolutely eat you alive.... while you were busy asking "what are those big poles sticking up off the reflectors on the side of the road?"(They're so you can see them in 20 feet of snow). And all the salt in the world wouldn't save you.

Dins,

For some reason (either since you've never been to New York or you are just stupid) you just don't seem to grasp the population disparity between New York and Oregon.

So let me help. The entire state of Oregon has 3.7 million people in 98,466 sq miles. The population of Upstate NY encompasses about that many people living in an area 1/3 that size. And, unlike you unwashed hippies out in Oregon, we like to get to work on time with a minimum of fuss and muss. So, rather than sit around all day listening to that killer Red Rocks show waiting for the plow truck to come, we prefer to have a whole shitload of plow trucks clearing and salting our roads. And the funny thing is, our wildlife has not suffered for it.

enough already

BSmack wrote:Dins,

For some reason (either since you've never been to New York or you are just stupid) you just don't seem to grasp the population disparity between New York and Oregon.

And you don't seem to grasp that if 100 cars can get through a snowy road, 1 fucking billion cars can get through the same road.

What part of that are you having trouble understanding?

We do just fine clearing roads without the use of salt. THAT was the point(don't get me wrong -- tangents to call someone "stupid" are what makes this place go around).

You really really seem to be struggling with this. A road is either navigable in the snow or it isn't. It's for all intents and purposes(I think I'm missing a Schotzie reset in there somewhere) an either/or proposition. 100 cars, 1,000,000 cars, the snow is either clear or it isn't.


Are you still following?


All's I'm saying, is we clear a shitload more snow than NY does, and it's done without salt.


Comprende?

The entire state of Oregon has 3.7 million people in 98,466 sq miles.

Close enough. Will certainly work for the sake of discussion...

The population of Upstate NY encompasses about that many people living in an area 1/3 that size.

Ohhhh, and there's where whatever point you were trying to make careens off the rails.


The majority of those 3.7(5)million people live in the Portland area. The majority of the rest still live in the Willamette Valley.

The overwhelming majority of those 3.75 million people live in an area that makes up well under 1/3rd the area of the state. The other side of the Cascades sports some of the least populous areas in the country... not that it matters to the flawed point you were trying to make.

unlike you unwashed hippies out in Oregon, we like to get to work on time with a minimum of fuss and muss.

Oh... so the "smart" people of NY have come to the conclusion that the best way to get to work on time "with a minimum of fuss and muss" is to live where there's 100 inches of snow?


Uhm... good luck with that "smart" thing. Us "unwashed hippies" just put on our goulashes and walk.

So, rather than sit around all day listening to that killer Red Rocks show waiting for the plow truck to come, we prefer to have a whole shitload of plow trucks

Got them by the boatload in the snowy places. And they usually go every few minutes when it's snowing hard.

our wildlife

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!


OK, you got me. Nice trolljob. You probably could have pulled it off for a while, if you hadn't tried to compare NY's wildlife(some of which you had to FREAKING IMPORT FROM OREGON... like those salmon you tried to brag about earlier) to that of Oregon. But you went for the home run when you needed to just keep banging out base hits, undermining your trolling.



"Our wildlife"... good one, dude.


BTW -- radically changing thew Ph of an ecosystem, like dumping salt does, destroys that ecosystem. Period. But that's where the people of the Northeast get lost -- those ecosystems were destroyed centuries ago, so they don't really understand ecosystem preservation. But trust me -- we use you people as a model for what not to do to preserve ecosystems. Thanks for laying the groundwork for us to become the nation's environmental leaders, which we do quite well, and are quite proud to do so.

Mikey wrote:enough already

Hell no.

I figure Dins at his keyboard is much less dangerous to society than Dins driving, Dins hiking, Dins mountain climbing, Dins whitewater rafting, or Dins nailing hotties next to a giant spruce tree whilst simultaeneously engaging in all of the above activities.

No, lets try to keep Dins ass planted firmly right in front of his monitor.

Look on it as a public service.

War Wagon wrote:

Mikey wrote:enough already

Hell no.

I figure Dins at his keyboard is much less dangerous to society than Dins driving, Dins hiking, Dins mountain climbing, Dins whitewater rafting, or Dins nailing hotties next to a giant spruce tree whilst simultaeneously engaging in all of the above activities.

No, lets try to keep Dins ass planted firmly right in front of his monitor.

Look on it as a public service.

Yeah but Dins and BSmack in a messageboard argrument could be a dangerous thing.

Think about it. Neither one has been known to ever back down from a debate. Each of them seems compelled to respond to every one of the other's points with at least two or three counterpoints. If you extend the possibilities out far enough you get an exponential increase in total response space, and before long you have not just board meltdown from the infrastructure requirements of sustaining this pointless joust, but eventually the entire universe could be drawn into a black hole of suck.

God and GOD help us.

AMEN

War Wagon wrote: I figure Dins at his keyboard is much less dangerous to society than Dins driving, Dins hiking, Dins mountain climbing, Dins whitewater rafting, or Dins nailing hotties next to a giant spruce tree whilst simultaeneously engaging in all of the above activities.

I don't do the mountain climbing thing.

Unless of course someone catches me with a buzz on and convinces me there's fish and/or skanks at the top. Then, you'll see some motherfucking mountain climbing.

But other than that, I leave the mountain climbing to the Smart New Yorkcicles and Texicles and whatnot.

I do see rafting while intoxicated as a way to thumb one's nose at Darwin.


And really, you should be glad I'm just engaging in the futile persuit of trying to talk some smarts into BSlap, rather than going on the rant I've got brewing about people who choose to live on flood plains and FEMA and and a coupla other things that get brought to mind when a really non-catastrophic routine event gets people's knickers in a twist and has them whining like Complainian Tomlinson after a loss.

Dinsdale wrote: I don't do the mountain climbing thing.

It was either that or sky diving.

I ruled out spelunking 'cause you probaly don't have a decent enough cave in the U & L worth exploring.

And save your Blondie Babe resets, I'm not reading them.

War Wagon wrote:I ruled out spelunking 'cause you probaly don't have a decent enough cave in the U & L worth exploring.

Invented them.


Actually...

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH ... _cave.html


The Ape Caves is kind of a cool spot, well known with the folks of NW Oregon/SW Washington. People go there and party like rock stars, or they used to, at least... haven't been up that way in quite a while, then go caving(it's freaking dark anyway). If you've never caved poo-faced, you probably can't appreciate the full scope of potential for blood loss and bruises often not remembered until morning.

Not like real caving or anything, since you can walk quite a ways in... but plenty of spots to be a fuckup. Longest lava tube in the Western Hemisphere, so they tell me.


Hundreds of caves. My oldest buddies used to be realllly into that shit. Myself, I never saw the need to climb into the ground and try to get a piece off Baby Jessica.

Ape Caves is a hoot.

Mikey, the irony in this thread has gone way over the heads of these two idiots. Why the fuck would you live somewhere where you have to deal with either conditions for 3+ months of the year?

atomicdad wrote:Mikey, the irony in this thread has gone way over the heads of these two idiots.

Oh, this is rich...

Why the fuck would you live somewhere where you have to deal with either conditions for 3+ months of the year?

Uhm... did you just ask that of Mikey? And if so, did you intend to ask the same Mikey that just went through a brush with wildfires and evacuations?

Why the fuck would you live somewhere that frequently threatens to burn down?

Pretty sure neither myself OR BSmack has had to evacuate for any weather related catastrophies any time recently.



So, how's that "irony" thing working for you, atomicdad?

Dinsdale wrote:

Why the fuck would you live somewhere where you have to deal with either conditions for 3+ months of the year?

Uhm... did you just ask that of Mikey? And if so, did you intend to ask the same Mikey that just went through a brush with wildfires and evacuations?

Why the fuck would you live somewhere that frequently threatens to burn down?

Pretty sure neither myself OR BSmack has had to evacuate for any weather related catastrophies any time recently.

So, how's that "irony" thing working for you, atomicdad?

Umm... Mikey didn't have to evacuate, dumbass.

Neither did I, nor have I ever had to.

We put up with the fucking blue skies and temps in the 70's and 80's for 9 months of the year.

It's hard, but we manage.

The other three months are devastating.

Temps can dip as low as 30, and go as high as 105.

Yet, we survive.

Somehow.

The rain, it can be awful.

We might get 15 inches of rain in February, March and April.

I'm glad I have a pump to drain the pool, and the pond.

Pool and a pond..


The worst thing that ever happens to us is when clueless fucking idiots like you gargle the evening news and take an area that's well over 8,000 square miles in size and try to drop the "evacuate" concept on all of that, when the reality is that less than 10% of the total acreage burned (and most of that acreage was undeveloped back country), and that the areas where people lived that did burn represent less than 1% of the total population, and that the likelihood of that event occurring again during the life time of most of that 1% is nearly unmeasurable*.

I've been here over 20 years and have lived in 4 different areas of So cal, and I have never been evacuated, nor has any area I have lived in been evacuated during that time. I'm sure Mikey can beat those numbers.

You need to learn when to STFU, Cliffy.

Now is a good time.


Pond be good for you.

































*The dumb ass rich fuckers in Malibu are NOT included in this. Those idiots burn every 2 years and deserve it for trying to live there.

Dinsdale wrote:And you don't seem to grasp that if 100 cars can get through a snowy road, 1 fucking billion cars can get through the same road.

What part of that are you having trouble understanding?

That does not logically follow at all. If you think it does you are a complete fucking dumbass. The Law of Diminishing Returns out front should have told you that.

Spelunking? Overrated.

--Mr. RumpleSortFlabs

Dins I'd like to take this thread in yet another direction.. for image purposes, this thread will end up resembling this:




Was at a local sports bar a little over a week ago with some friends and got talking to a plumpy but friendly gal from Oregon. She wasn't much to look at but mentioned she liked going to strip clubs and in my victory-beer drunken haze, I found her to be gorgeous for 15 minutes. She was in town to be the maid of honor for her friend, who was also at the table and who also happened to like strip clubs. She was far more attractive- this I can verify because I had not been drunk at the time. Unfortunately her cock-block fiancee was also there but he was cool with us flirting with his girl so I think I bought him a beer or 5.

Anywho, the plumpy Oregonian gal mentioned that strip clubs are like banks- you can find one on virtually every street corner. Never got the city she was talking about. She said the strip clubs were owned by the cattle ranchers or someone like that. Most importantly she said they're all 100% nude- in Philly you can't server alcohol- its BYOB and the girls that perform at those places are.. well they're probably working the streets when their shift if over. Honestly have been to one of those in a few years.

So is what she said close to the truth-- cattle ranchers owning strip joints? I assume they serve a good steak dinner? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Mister Bushice wrote:Umm... Mikey didn't have to evacuate, dumbass.

Mikey wrote:We just got another "reverse 911" mandatory evacuation call.

I guess it depends on your definition of "have to," eh?


Tard.

jiminphilly wrote: Was at a local sports bar a little over a week ago with some friends and got talking to a plumpy but friendly gal from Oregon.

We try and export the plumpers.

Anywho, the plumpy Oregonian gal mentioned that strip clubs are like banks- you can find one on virtually every street corner. Never got the city she was talking about.

There's only one city with "one on every street corner"... that'd be Portland.


And maybe not quite every streetcorner, but they ain't too hard to come by.

She said the strip clubs were owned by the cattle ranchers or someone like that.

She must have been talking about the legendary Acropolis. Definitely a shadow of its former self, compared to my younger years, but it's still there. Marylin Manson's all-time favorite bar-btw, or so he spent a great deal of effort explaining in some interview.

But the Acrop is owned by some redneck cattle rancher. In the Good Old Days, they used to serve you a filet for $5. The marinated steak "special" was $3.50. We used to have a game as young adults -- get all liquored up and see who could put away $10 worth of food at the Crop... was hard to do, and you weren't going anywhere for a while.

I haven't been in years. Their hook was always the food (DO NOT look back into the kitchen). When they started jacking up the food prices, it kinda lost its charm. The last time I was there, quite a few years ago, it was many of the same chicks working there as when I was 21... and I knew a couple of them from other places... strippers ain't down with seeing guys they know while they're working, as a general rule. And since the chicks were aging quickly and the food was no longer a legendary attraction, it's not like there ain't a TTB (TitTyBar) on every street corner.


Anyhoo, at any given time, there's probably about 70-80 tittybars open in the metro area... little ones come and go all the time, the big major ones usually stick around.

Most importantly she said they're all 100% nude- in Philly you can't server alcohol

I've been told ity's the only place in the country where hard liquor and full nudity are allowed... I'm also told those laws are routinely skirted in other places.

So is what she said close to the truth-- cattle ranchers owning strip joints? I assume they serve a good steak dinner? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Thee's at least one, anyway. It certainly used to be the bigggest name, most popular place... 15-20 years ago. Now, I'd say Stars in Beaverton is the top-dog(which I lived damn-near next door to, and a good buddy was the manager... he's moved on, but he's got a pretty impressive array of pictures of him and myriad celebrities). First time I went in that place for a bachelor party(lived a short walk from it, never went, even though a good friend ran it... not much of a tittybar guy, myself), I sat next to a group of extremely dorky fuckers. I think after the booze got to flowing freely for a while, I think I managed to mix in a "nice mullet, bro." A short time later, someone in my party mentioned "Dude, you just cracked on Travis Tritt's hair... you da' man!"


I of course replied "Who?"


Pussies really thought they owned the place and were pretty tough, until someone encouraged them to back up that big-talk.

They seemed to calm down.

Fuck, I'd kinda forgotten about that. I guess that makes 3 celebrities that have had bad attitudes at the bar which needed correcting... and I was just the man for the job. That Lenny Kravitz guy really ran off like a bitch after I offered to shut his big fucking mouth for him, too(who I also had no idea of who he was at the time).

Because that is how I roll. Well, not really. But I ain't putting up with that kind of attitude, either.

socal wrote: At least it's not foggy.

Sin,

Diego

Is now.

Not too bad. I should still probably check the internet for weather conditions before attempting to drive.

Dinsdale wrote:I should still probably check the internet for weather conditions before attempting to drive.

OK, I did some quick checking, and the traffic control folks and media outlets seem to agree that it's foggy.


Phew!

Well, I guess since it's actually foggy, and I'm not just hallucinating, I must be cool to drive.

I can't believe that Dins is up this early and I spent like 5 minutes doing this (in between actual work) so ...

Dinsdale wrote:[rant]First of all Jim, the U&L is the world wide leader in both sports entertainment (sports bars) and strip clubs (which always have sports on their numerous big screens). So when you say you were sitting in a “local sports bar” you should in fact say you were “at a U&L inspired, but we ripped off the idea as we have none of our own, sports bar” instead. We kinda rule in that department as well, the “coming up with the good ideas thing” and having everyone else rip them off. So the next time you’re enjoying a Victory beer (holy shit, don’t get me started on this) just remember who to thank.

So on to this Alleged U&L skank. I could almost guarantee that she wasn’t actually “from” the U&L as she was most likely a transplant from some other god forsaken area of the country ( I guess that’s redundant as any area other than the U&L, MUST by definition, be god forsaken). So this fat bitch is trolling you into buying her, her friend and the fiancé beer (a trick no doubt learned, ie stolen from, a true U&L’er) … wait! I can’t let this Victory beer thing go. Dude, how can you even consider pouring that east coast dog piss down your gullet? I mean seriously, there must be some U&L beer out there somewhere, hell even the average U&L swill (not that I make a habit of drinking the average stuff, well I will if it is the only thing available) has got to be way better than anything you Santa hating tards could ever come up with. You do know where 70% of the hops that are grown in the US come from? I’ll give you a hint; it starts with “U” and ends with an “L” (sup along with 90% of the best fucking shrooms on the planet). So now you might understand why I consider that shit you drink, unfit for human consumption.

So…. back to the skank, who suckered you mensas (you where that organization really started?) into buying them booze all night. I’m gonna guess she was from California or Kansas, but until I tag her ass I can’t tell you specifically which place. See Cali fat bitches start with the dirty talking while getting pounded in the pooper, whilst Kansas (or any other flatlander) fat skank, immediately bellows out the Moooooooo cry. They also do the doggy ass scoot on the floor when their done, so make sure you pork them at their place or some “neutral” location. Of course that is good advice in general for poking fat chicks.

Here is another interesting fact; almost all sports can be traced back in some manner to the U&L. For instance, pre-historic cavemen were known to have been spelunking in massive (like we’d sport any other kind?) Oregonian caves when they first discovered that stalagmites (for some reason stalactites don’t work as well) could be used for hitting all kinds of objects a great distance and with great accuracy (‘sup inventing golf, billiards, baseball & hockey). I could go on about how we invented skiing, snowboarding and bobsledding (actually started as a way to get head in the winter), but I need to get to the part about the strip clubs.

Now, I have nothing personally against strip clubs, but I don’t need them like some (who am I kidding) most of you do for a glimpse of some titties & poon. Yes, I’ve been to several of the best that the U&L has to offer and I can confirm that they truly are the best in the world (sup hot U&L coeds earning their way through college). You see, we’ve figured out how to serve booze and let hot chicks strip down to nothing in the same place. The fact the rest of the country can’t handle that simple concept is nothing short of ponderous. Oh, by the way, you won’t find a better steak for the price anywhere than a U&L strip club.[/rant]

OK, I have to finish smacking that knuckle dragging retard from Upstate (does it even deserve the “Up” moniker?) NY about roads, weather, salt, salmon, mountains (real ones like we have here not the fucking puny bumps back east) and driving.

Dinsdale wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:Umm... Mikey didn't have to evacuate, dumbass.

Mikey wrote:We just got another "reverse 911" mandatory evacuation call.

I guess it depends on your definition of "have to," eh?


Tard.

Well, I was *supposed* to evacuate, but didn't, and nobody came and made me. Nor did they make me leave when I went out to the grocery stores and gas stations that were open in the *allegedly* evacuated area.

So, I guess it depends on your definition of "have to".

RACK Twizzler....


Errrr....


I mean "Fuck you, tard."