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Monica, why don't you just admit you want O'Bama's huge black cock up your ass?

Cuda wrote:Monica, why don't you just admit you want O'Bama's huge black cock up your ass?

And you are familiar with the size because.....?

mvscal wrote: He just said we deserved to get bombed five days after 9/11.

So did Jerry Falwell......but not because of blacks, rather he said

"I really believe that the pagans (which is you btw), and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen."

but that's not hate filled speech is it.....

mvscal wrote:Who gives a fuck what Jerry Falwell said? He doesn't have anything to do with this.

so you can easily dismiss Falwell's tirade with a "he's got nothing to do with this" sweep of the hand, yet you imply that Barack's minister saying something similar is the beginning of the end of humanity as we know it should Obama be elected....

Falwell exerted enormous influence on the "God Fearing" religious bloc, which btw definitely leans toward the Republican side of the fence.....moreso than Obama's pastor will ever wield over the black bloc of voters......

The correct answer is...

...Wright is spot on about America's racist, imperialist tyranny.

The sooner you "progressives" stop bending your knee every time a right wing hack raises their voice, the sooner you'll find your balls and strike back. Be a man about it.

The right senses weakness and knows you'll grovel and scrape at accusations of "unpatriotic" sentiment. Time to take your country back, fuckos. By force, if necessary.

mvscal wrote:OK, he said GOD DAMN AMERICA in 2003.

An appropriate Christian response to preemptive war. Doncha think?

He just said we deserved to get bombed five days after 9/11.

No, he did not. He said America's chickens had come home to roost. Why is it that nuance utterly escapes you?

That makes a huge difference.

Yes, facts ARE very important.

Yes...It's working...don't stop now, Bri...

mvscal wrote: Falwell isn't personally associated with any of the presidential campaigns.

Nobody is claiming that Jerry Falwell acted as a spiritual advisor to them for the last 20 years. He has NOTHING whatsoever to do with any of this, so stop blowing smoke.

seriously, you can't be that fucking ignorant....Falwell controlled one the primary voting blocs that make up the Republican coalition....to assert that he had no sway over Republican policies is just stupid...

You want to talk about Falwell?

Not particularly...but he was a racist bigotted hate monger none the less....simply because you happen to agree with him doesn't make his maliciousness any less vile.....

Or you could just shut the fuck up since you don't have a fucking clue.

nice melt douchebag......

Condemning the man for sitting in a church and listening to fiery rhetoric is silly. It's a non-issue, imo.

If Obama holds racist views, he's allowed to, he's an American and has a right to hate whomever he chooses.

Besides the DNC relies on this kind of shit for their power grabs. Obama isn't the first with ties to racist organizations to hold a prominent position in the DNC.

mvscal wrote:No, I don't. Political activism of any kind from the pulpit is totally inappropriate as you well know. I wonder how well the good reverand's political activity would withstand IRS scrutiny. Not very, I would guess.

Oh that's rich. You do realize that were it not for political activism from the pulpit, we would be in Al Gore's second term. Your party's Presidential campaigns have appealed to white evangelical churches for votes on religious grounds since the time of Goldwater. You want to audit Wright's church? Fine, just so long as EVERY church is subjected to the same audit rules right down to the Catholic Bishop who publicly ordered his priests to refuse John Kerry Communion because of Kerry's political views.

It is the same fucking thing, dipshit.

"Deserved to get bombed" equals "chickens have come home to roost" only in the minds of those too stupid to understand the meaning of the words in question. Wright was referring to the concept of "blowback" in colloquial terms. If you claim not so see the nuance, it is because you are either stupid or lying. Which is it?

Tom In VA wrote:Condemning the man for sitting in a church and listening to fiery rhetoric is silly. It's a non-issue, imo.

see, a voice of reason....

you really should try it sometime mvs.....

mvscal wrote:
Huh? When did this happen? Again just shut the fuck up, idiot. You don't have any idea of what the fuck it is you're trying to discuss.

uh I thought we were discussing Obama's pastor and your spin on how his speeches automatically imply that Obama buys into it lock stock and barrel...because that's clearly what your implying.....

I don't believe saying it was our "chickens coming to home to roost" is anything but factual. We all enjoy a certain standard of living in this country. That standard of living has involved the acquisition of resources and materials located in countries that were formerly colonized by our Imperialistc European allies.
Some people in those countries don't like that fact, so they fight back.

Since Teddy Roosevelt first espoused the notion of U.S. becoming a player in what the rest of Europe was doing -- conquest and collection -- and set forth on the execution of that notion, we've set loose many chickens.

A few have come home to roost. The funny thing is -- well it isn't really funny -- but the ironic thing is that the vast majority of the "chickens" the Islamists are trying to send home involve issues near and dear to the Democrats hearts.

Tom In VA wrote:but the ironic thing is that the vast majority of the "chickens" the Islamists are trying to send home involve issues near and dear to the Democrats hearts.

such as....

Tom In VA wrote:A few have come home to roost. The funny thing is -- well it isn't really funny -- but the ironic thing is that the vast majority of the "chickens" the Islamists are trying to send home involve issues near and dear to the Democrats hearts.

I thought that one of their main issues was US presence in their homeland. Don’t see that as a Democrat issue, per se.

Felix wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:but the ironic thing is that the vast majority of the "chickens" the Islamists are trying to send home involve issues near and dear to the Democrats hearts.

such as....

Islamic Fundies are all for the death penalty, against homosexuality, abhore abortion, and aren't too keen on their wimmenz being liberated.

Conversely the Dems are the most vocal against the death penalty, a haven for gay rights, pro-abortion, and take credit for the liberation of women.

In fact, if Mr. Wright is as big a regurgitator of Mr. Farakhan's rhetoric, Mr. Farakhan himself ain't all to keen on Dem positions on the aforementioned items. He's all for the death penalty (for whites), views homosexuality negatively, is anti-abortion, and believes women have a "place" -- as servants to their men and nurturers of the surpreme Black Race of children. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of Wright's fiery speeches contained the same from time to time.

Goober McTuber wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:A few have come home to roost. The funny thing is -- well it isn't really funny -- but the ironic thing is that the vast majority of the "chickens" the Islamists are trying to send home involve issues near and dear to the Democrats hearts.

I thought that one of their main issues was US presence in their homeland. Don’t see that as a Democrat issue, per se.

The physical presence of U.S. troops and/or commercial concerns is not. I've addressed the components of Isalmic Fundies issues with our culture that are pet platforms of the DNC in my response to Felix.

Tom In VA wrote:
Islamic Fundies are all for the death penalty, against homosexuality, abhore abortion, and aren't too keen on their wimmenz being liberated.

in other words, they're Republicans......

Felix wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:
Islamic Fundies are all for the death penalty, against homosexuality, abhore abortion, and aren't too keen on their wimmenz being liberated.

in other words, they're Republicans......

Well played but way off. The thing about conservatives and Republicans in this country is that they aren't too keen on throwing fags off rooftops or burying them alive. Nor do they stone women for having sex with someone other than their husband. Lastly, most Republicans are against Roe v. Wade because it was "legislation from the bench" rather than an issue left up to the individual states as it should have been. Views as to the morality of abortion, homosexuality and sexual promiscuity are as variant within the Republican party as they are within the Democratic party. However the DNC does take credit for and is the biggest proponent of the aforementioned issues.

Tom In VA wrote:Islamic Fundies are all for the death penalty, against homosexuality, abhore abortion, and aren't too keen on their wimmenz being liberated.

So that was the reason for 9/11?

mvscal wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:I thought that one of their main issues was US presence in their homeland.

They didn't seem to mind when we built their oil infrastructure and made them filthy rich instead of the goat raping simpletons without a pot to piss in that they were when we found them.

I don't think we should take all the credit for that mvscal, I mean the Crown and her Subjects ('sup Marty) also played an important part in the construction of infrastructures that were key to Western luxury -- oh and fuel for a global economy -- in fact, they took the lead.

Goober McTuber wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Islamic Fundies are all for the death penalty, against homosexuality, abhore abortion, and aren't too keen on their wimmenz being liberated.

So that was the reason for 9/11?

You decide. Do some research on Sayyid Qutb and Sharia Law.

BSmack wrote: nuance

As in the way you find Barack's nut juice to have a slightly nuanced taste from his cigarette smoke?

Obama smokes ?

Now that's an issue. I wonder if he took up Kools or Newports.

I"m sure Mr. Wright has condemned him on that as well, after all, the only reason blacks smoke Kools and Newports is because they're being victimized by White Owned Big Tobacco. 'Sup Gore family riches.

mvscal wrote:Not really. The US built the Saudi oil industry, more specifically Standard Oil did. The Brits had concessions in Iraq which prevented them from operating any in Saudi Arabia under Saudi law.

I wasn't necessarily specifiying modern day Saudi Arabia as much as the Middle East as a whole but thanks for the info. Point is, the U.S. was and is not alone.

Tom In VA wrote:Condemning the man for sitting in a church and listening to fiery rhetoric is silly. It's a non-issue, imo.

Such a non-issue that he felt compelled to write and deliver a speech today addressing those very concerns?

Sorry, but it's quite obviously a very BIG issue.

And yeah, if you sit in a church and listen to that "fiery rhetoric" for years, it means that you implicitly agree with what's being said... or are just too damn stupid to realize that certain other chickens may come home to roost as well.

If Obama holds racist views, he's allowed to, he's an American and has a right to hate whomever he chooses.

Sure. But it just might also sabotage his chances of becoming President.

he's an American and has a right to hate whomever he chooses.

that's quite funny, actually.

Tom In VA wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:A few have come home to roost. The funny thing is -- well it isn't really funny -- but the ironic thing is that the vast majority of the "chickens" the Islamists are trying to send home involve issues near and dear to the Democrats hearts.

I thought that one of their main issues was US presence in their homeland. Don’t see that as a Democrat issue, per se.

The physical presence of U.S. troops and/or commercial concerns is not. I've addressed the components of Isalmic Fundies issues with our culture

One of the more severe examples of utter dumbfuckery ever posted here. This entire notion that people who have no contact with our culture beyond US presence in their "sacred homeland" somehow have some great beef with the culture that's shoved in their face, rather than forced influence on their daily lives is so far beyond laughable, it cracks me up that anyone buys that rhetoric.


"They hate our freedoms!"


No, tardv -- they just enjoy their own. Let the heathens kill each other... not my problem. And save your next line of bullshit, the "we have financial interests there" -- as long as oil goes for $100 a barrel, someone is going to suck that shit out and sell it... greed has ALWAYS been the overriding human motivation since Day 1. And if the market hadn't been manipulated by outside forces for solong, there would be no OPEC, and the free market would have sorted it out and created competition. Fucking UNDENIABLE, unless you're an idiot.

mvscal wrote:We certainly are when blame is being assigned.

maybe you should stick to the hate thing....

you don't make a very convincing victim.....

Felix wrote:uh I thought we were discussing Obama's pastor and your spin on how his speeches automatically imply that Obama buys into it lock stock and barrel

Spin??

bwaaaa .......


There's a whole wide world of 'churches' to attend, and a whole wide world of CLOSE friends one can choose to roll with.

Obama made his choices.

So will the American people.

Tom In VA wrote: Islamic Fundies are all for the death penalty, against homosexuality, abhore abortion, and aren't too keen on their wimmenz being liberated.

Conversely the Dems are the most vocal against the death penalty, a haven for gay rights, pro-abortion, and take credit for the liberation of women.

Yes, but how often have you seen the posters on this board that consider themselves liberal, left and progressive denigrate the entire population of the middle east for exactly those reasons? They all do it, without exception - from wishing that they all just kill each other or starve to death, when at the same time, they adopt the position that the war is a fraud and they shouldn't be there in the first place.
If things were going well, they would justify it for exactly those reasons. It's a way for the American left to reconcile itself with imperial adventures so they can sleep at night and it's a form of hypocricy that's more repulsive than anything an American conservative is capable of.

Dr_Phibes wrote:...the American left...

Phibes, stop....



...you're killing me...

Dinsdale wrote: One of the more severe examples of utter dumbfuckery ever posted here. This entire notion that people who have no contact with our culture beyond US presence in their "sacred homeland" somehow have some great beef with the culture that's shoved in their face, rather than forced influence on their daily lives is so far beyond laughable, it cracks me up that anyone buys that rhetoric.


"They hate our freedoms!"


No, tardv -- they just enjoy their own. Let the heathens kill each other... not my problem. And save your next line of bullshit, the "we have financial interests there" -- as long as oil goes for $100 a barrel, someone is going to suck that shit out and sell it... greed has ALWAYS been the overriding human motivation since Day 1. And if the market hadn't been manipulated by outside forces for solong, there would be no OPEC, and the free market would have sorted it out and created competition. Fucking UNDENIABLE, unless you're an idiot.

Dinsdale, try doing some research and reading of your own.

The "father" of the 20th Century spate of radical Islamic Fundamentalists were largely influenced by the writings of Sayyid Qutb. Mr. Qutb bemoaned our culture and it's ever encroaching reach into the lives of his fellow Muslims. He believed that anything NOT Sharia was ... evil. He was a mentor to Osama Bin Laden. Westernization, is viewed as a major threat and Westernization includes EVERYTHING that is western. Meaning our "freedoms".

Seriously "dog", check out "Milestones" by Sayyud Qutb. His views on America are outlined in that text.

Here's a review from Amazon to assist you:

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Qutb (1906-1966) was an Egyptian novelist and literature teacher who received a western-style education and even earning his Master's Degree in Education in the United States, where he lived from 1948-1950. At least partially due to Qutb's experience living in the United States, he developed an anti-western anti-modernization attitude. While in The United States, Qutb was horrified to witness such lewd events as Church sock-hops, where a female could look a male in the eye and talk to him without fear of having a male relative automatically assume the worst and cut her throat. He wrote:

"They danced to the tunes of the gramophone, and the dance floor was replete with tapping feet, enticing legs, arms wrapped around waists, lips pressed to lips, and chests pressed to chests. The atmosphere was full of desire..."

Tom In VA wrote:Westernization, is viewed as a major threat and Westernization includes EVERYTHING that is western. Meaning our "freedoms".

No worries. You all seem to be shitting on your own "freedoms" at a rate that'll have ol' Osama smiling by next Ramadan.

I think America's logic goes like this:

If we dispense with our rights, it makes it a mathematical certainty that others will not be able to take them from us, for they will not exist.

Way to kick their ass.

Tom In VA wrote:... arms wrapped around waists, lips pressed to lips, and chests pressed to chests. The atmosphere was full of desire..."

Throw in "meat gazing" and it sounds like a typical Saturday night at the Lagos residence. Big fucking deal.

Martyred wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:... arms wrapped around waists, lips pressed to lips, and chests pressed to chests. The atmosphere was full of desire..."

Throw in "meat gazing" and it sounds like a typical Saturday night at the Lagos residence. Big fucking deal.

Seriously though, this dude had issues with women.

"The American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs -- and she shows all this and does not hide it."

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Dr_Phibes wrote:It's a way for the American left to reconcile itself with imperial adventures.

That does it.

You need to have your library card confiscated.

poptart wrote:

Obama made his choices.

So will the American people.

best prepare yourself...something tells me you're going to be very disappointed come November....

War Wagon wrote:

Dr_Phibes wrote:It's a way for the American left to reconcile itself with imperial adventures.

That does it.

You need to have your library card confiscated.

Well I'm not being that outrageous, it was a common idea and a similar attitude in Britain amongst the left at the height of the empire.

Felix wrote:

poptart wrote:

Obama made his choices.

So will the American people.

best prepare yourself...something tells me you're going to be very disappointed come November....

Why would 'tart be disappointed with the American people making their choice?

I accepted Clinton, begrudgingly, but the American electorate had rendered their greater judgement. Tough to disagree or be disappointed with that. On the contrary, the peaceful change of power should be celebrated, and it is.

It won't be any different this election cycle.

Unless you're a whiny bitch.

War Wagon wrote: I accepted Clinton, begrudgingly, but the American electorate had rendered their greater judgement.

nice touch Patriot Wagon.....

we're talking about a collective that elected (twice no less) the fucking disaster we now have occupying the White House so I probably have less confidence in the American voting publics ability to render a sound judgment than do you.....