Anybody else being entertained by this Democratic primary??

[battery chucka' one]

I do fear somebody who was spiritually trained and taught by a bigot such as Mr. Wright.

You fear what you don't understand, is that fair to say?

What's really ironic is that people who have disdained any form of "religion" are the ones most up in arms over what some insignificant pastor had to say.

Shouldn't there be more to a candidate than likability?

Not really.

No, that's not fair to say. I've heard Mr. Wright's teachings. They're bigotry. Plain and simple.

My feelings on religion are rather well documented in the theology forum.

Mr. Wright is neither a sage teacher nor a war weary civil rights veteran. He's on a par with Mr. Farrakhan and Mr. Sharpton. He used (until he retired, though he still plays a role in the church) racial divisiveness to his own gain. He used hate for his own benefit. I don't know how much of this has rubbed off on Obama, though Hillary will gladly say a lot has. It's for this same reason that you won't see me voting for David Duke for an office.

[War Wagon]

McCain is still wrong on the war and wrong on the economy.

That's an opinion I don't share.

For instance, both Obama and Shillary are proposing massive bailouts, footed by taxpayers, for idiot borrowers and sub-prime mortgage lenders who made bad decisions and wound up in foreclosure.

They're pandering, pure and simple, because they know they currently have a captive and receptive audience.

McCain, OTOH, is espousing personal responsibilty and taking some stiff medicine. Guess which method always works out best?

If YOU fuck up, that's on your dime, NOT the taxpayers.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Also, McCain is all about "No Surrender", whereas, Hussein and Evita Clinton want to rent out office space to Osama in the White House.

[War Wagon]

Mr. Wright is neither a sage teacher nor a war weary civil rights veteran. He's on a par with Mr. Farrakhan and Mr. Sharpton.

The "birds of a feather" arguement, eh?

Last I checked, none of those guys are running for President.

It's patently unfair to make those analogies about Obama. You seem to want to tar him with the same brush and then claim he has no platform, but in reality he does. It's called his voting record and his numerous proposals. Do some research, like picking up a fucking newspaper or magazine and then not cherry picking only those blurbs you wish to convey.

I've made my position clear in that I support McCain, but I'll be damned if I sit here and watch you obfuscate the facts with worthless innuendo.

[Mister Bushice]

McCain is still wrong on the war and wrong on the economy.

That's an opinion I don't share.

For instance, both Obama and Shillary are proposing massive bailouts, footed by taxpayers, for idiot borrowers and sub-prime mortgage lenders who made bad decisions and wound up in foreclosure.

They're pandering, pure and simple, because they know they currently have a captive and receptive audience.

McCain, OTOH, is espousing personal responsibilty and taking some stiff medicine. Guess which method always works out best?

If YOU fuck up, that's on your dime, NOT the taxpayers.

Try telling that to the shareholders of the banking institutions that are getting reamed by losses due to foreclosures.

[BSmack]

That's an opinion I don't share.

For instance, both Obama and Shillary are proposing massive bailouts, footed by taxpayers, for idiot borrowers and sub-prime mortgage lenders who made bad decisions and wound up in foreclosure.

They're pandering, pure and simple, because they know they currently have a captive and receptive audience.

McCain, OTOH, is espousing personal responsibilty and taking some stiff medicine. Guess which method always works out best?

If YOU fuck up, that's on your dime, NOT the taxpayers.

Bullshit McCain is promoting personal responsibility. Let's go back and take a look at those comments again.

“I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers,” McCain said. “Government assistance to the banking system should be based solely on preventing systemic risk that would endanger the entire financial system and the economy.”

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So what he's saying is that if your financial institution is "too big to fail", you'll get bailed out. If not, then go fuck yourself. And if you're a simple homeowner, then you have no chance whatsoever. Never mind that the financial impact of millions of sub prime defaults is the very thing that is CAUSING these huge financial institutions to go belly up.

[Cuda]

Is there some reason why Republicans shouldn't shove that n...igger's race card up his ass?

Are you trying to insinuate that all that "Cultural Diversity" stuff the left has been shoveling at us for decades is a lie?

[battery chucka' one]

Mr. Wright is neither a sage teacher nor a war weary civil rights veteran. He's on a par with Mr. Farrakhan and Mr. Sharpton.

The "birds of a feather" arguement, eh?

Last I checked, none of those guys are running for President.

It's patently unfair to make those analogies about Obama. You seem to want to tar him with the same brush and then claim he has no platform, but in reality he does. It's called his voting record and his numerous proposals. Do some research, like picking up a fucking newspaper or magazine and then not cherry picking only those blurbs you wish to convey.

I've made my position clear in that I support McCain, but I'll be damned if I sit here and watch you obfuscate the facts with worthless innuendo.

Again, you're jumping all over the place.

By attending a church, you are tying yourself to the views that come from that pulpit. If you don't agree with them, you don't go to that church. Easy stuff there. Obama said that he disagreed with Mr. Wright's comments and that, if Wright was still reverend, he wouldn't attend there anymore. Are you telling me that these comments are only a recent development? Also, since you are the one who made the accusation, show me where I said that because of Obama's preacher's comments, he shouldn't be president. I said that his opponents will try to use this to tear his campaign apart. Hillary has already done so.

I've heard him asked enough questions where, if they're not softballs, he ducks and runs. That's not what I want in a president. I want somebody who, when asked a question, will either 1) answer it directly or 2) refuse to answer it directly. Don't try to evade it. It makes you look like a liar.

[War Wagon]

And if you're a simple homeowner, then you have no chance whatsoever.

Brian, seriously... did you buy more house than you could afford?

How many refi's have you absorbed? In over your head?

I really hope that's not the case, but you type like it is.

Sometimes you just have to bite the fucking bullet.

[War Wagon]

By attending a church, you are tying yourself to the views that come from that pulpit.

Bullshit.

As if there were a church that no controversial issues were discussed.

As if even ONE family of more than 3 members could sit down to Thanksgiving dinner and not vociferously disagree on any number of things. But at the end of the day, they're still family.

Go bark up another tree.

[Felix]

this is a pretty remarkable post.....

What's really ironic is that people who have disdained any form of "religion" are the ones most up in arms over what some insignificant pastor had to say.

seriously, one of the more intelligent things you've ever written here....

Shouldn't there be more to a candidate than likability?

Not really.

only to follow it up with this incredibly inane statement.....you should have quit while you were ahead....

[War Wagon]

Win some, lose some...

[poptart]

Bri, McCain holds views, particularly on the war and illegal immigration, that the majority of American's don't want to stomach

But what the American people won't stomach is a dickless senator from Illinois who's middle name spells terrorist and who's two closest friends in the world are a Farrakan clone and Annie from T1B.


You're in for one HELL of a rude awakening, dude.

[poptart]

Wagon, as mvscal pointed out in another thread recently, Obumble used that pitiful church (and it's pitiful pastor) as a vehicle as he was moving his way UP through the political minor leagues.
It was a stepping stone.

How perfectly fitting that that same dirty stone has now been planted directly between his eyeballs.


WAR little David.

[Tom In VA]

Here is the fuck. The repubs would gladly stir uneasiness about voting a black man as president using comments such as this:

The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination -- and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past -- are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ."

Then there's the wifes comments posted elsewhere here about Obama being black puts him at higher risk.

If you don't think republicans won't use any weapon they can to win, including placing the fear of a Black President with a race card shoved up his own ass in the minds of white americans, you're fooling yourself.

I don't think that has anything to do with "Fear of a Black Planet". How about the fact Obama and his wife seem a bit ONE sided when it comes to addressing the race issues in this country. From their rhetoric one could conclude that RACISM isn't wrong, it's just wrong when it happens to blacks. That's entirely different than sitting there saying - "Ooooh white republicans, fear the fro". Which is your implication.

There are many black republicans that don't plan on voting for Obama for his anti-american stance and this one-sided "we're the victims and we demand justice" bullshit.

As far as I can tell, the race card on Obama is one that he pulled out and his bluff is being called. It isn't motivated by fear. The other questions raised are, if you hate America so much, how can we tell your decisions will be made for the best interests of America ?

To that end, I'd suggest Obama will take an oath to the Constitution and do his best to uphold it. If he wasn't such a blatant liar I might actually trust that he'd do his best to uphold it. That has nothing to with his skin color. I'd feel the same way if BSmack was running for office. :D

[battery chucka' one]

By attending a church, you are tying yourself to the views that come from that pulpit.

Bullshit.

As if there were a church that no controversial issues were discussed.

As if even ONE family of more than 3 members could sit down to Thanksgiving dinner and not vociferously disagree on any number of things. But at the end of the day, they're still family.

Go bark up another tree.

Are you so sure about that whole line of reasoning?

http://www.godhatesfags.com/index.html

I would be saying the same thing about anybody who came from this church and sat in their congregation for twenty years, nodding along with Mr. Phelps. Wouldn't you?

[battery chucka' one]

Here is the fuck. The repubs would gladly stir uneasiness about voting a black man as president using comments such as this:

The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination -- and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past -- are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ."

Then there's the wifes comments posted elsewhere here about Obama being black puts him at higher risk.

If you don't think republicans won't use any weapon they can to win, including placing the fear of a Black President with a race card shoved up his own ass in the minds of white americans, you're fooling yourself.

"Ooooh white republicans, fear the fro".

1. I laughed at that one.

2. I don't think that Obama is anti-american and racist (at least, not until we have proof or more evidence of it). However, I think that his posse might be. That includes his reverend and peeps that he considers friends. His teachers, as it were. These are the people who he might appoint to high positions. I had absolutely no problem with Bush giving Rice a high appointment. I had heard her talk and knew that she wasn't a bigot. That's the difference between her and Mr. Wright.

[BSmack]

Bri, McCain holds views, particularly on the war and illegal immigration, that the majority of American's don't want to stomach

Then don't vote for him. That's what I'm doing.

But what the American people won't stomach is a dickless senator from Illinois who's middle name spells terrorist and who's two closest friends in the world are a Farrakan clone and Annie from T1B.

Only an ignorant tool could spew that.

All this "controversy" will do is to give racists who weren't going to vote for him anyway a reason to say they won't without feeling like they're racists. Those people are what the Republicans like to call their "base".

You're in for one HELL of a rude awakening, dude.

Obama's closing on Hillary in PA.

Your hopes for a long bloody Democratic primary are being dashed as we speak. By this time next week, I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama leading McCain again. And he'll definitely be leading Hillary by a country mile.

[BSmack]

I had absolutely no problem with Bush giving Rice a high appointment. I had heard her talk and knew that she wasn't a bigot. That's the difference between her and Mr. Wright.

It doesn't bother you in the slightest that she's utterly incompetent?

[battery chucka' one]

I had absolutely no problem with Bush giving Rice a high appointment. I had heard her talk and knew that she wasn't a bigot. That's the difference between her and Mr. Wright.

It doesn't bother you in the slightest that she's utterly incompetent?

She's not.

[BSmack]

Your hopes for a long bloody Democratic primary are being dashed as we speak.

I'm quite satisfied that the damage has been done. It's a boat race now.

I'm sure that's what you were saying in April of 92. How did running against a candidate who had been bloodied by a sex scandal work for the GOP?

[Cuda]

It doesn't bother you in the slightest that she's utterly incompetent?

She's not.

Yes, she is. Of course so is Onogga, but that's beside the point...or is it?

Of course Rice is incompetent- she was incompetent as National Security Advisor too. She got her jobs because Bush is fucking her.
She seems more like a Samoan to him, though.

[Tom In VA]

Only an ignorant tool could spew that.

All this "controversy" will do is to give racists who weren't going to vote for him anyway a reason to say they won't without feeling like they're racists. Those people are what the Republicans like to call their "base".

Oh bull fucking shit. I know several people who were actually considering voting for him until this flap was brought into light - black and white and in between.

Let's not forget which party courts former members of the Clan, it's yours, and is now courting a person with contacts and alliances with Wright, Farakhan, and heavily influenced by Cone's theology.

It's very clear why the Dems need to keep plantation mentality alive. It's their only source of power.

[BSmack]

Oh bull fucking shit. I know several people who were actually considering voting for him until this flap was brought into light - black and white and in between.

Oh! That's some real compelling anecdotal evidence.

Let's not forget which party courts former members of the Clan, it's yours, and is now courting a person with contacts and alliances with Wright, Farakhan, and heavily influenced by Cone's theology.

You think of "party" in such monolithic terms? Has it occurred to you that you look like a blithering idiot when you do so?

It's very clear why the Dems need to keep plantation mentality alive. It's their only source of power.

Shove it up your ass Tom. That "plantation mentality" bullshit was tired when Rush was pimping it 20 years ago. It's just another way to make us crackers feel good about voting Republican.

[Cuda]

you're a bigger racist than anybody here, Monica

[Tom In VA]

Shove it up your ass Tom. That "plantation mentality" bullshit was tired when Rush was pimping it 20 years ago. It's just another way to make us crackers feel good about voting Republican.

"us crackers".

Yeah okay B, you just told me an awful lot about yourself and your reasons for thinking the way you do. I'm a fucking American Man. That's it. I'm not a Mick-Wop-Frog American, I'm not a redneck, I'm not a hillbilly, I'm not a "Celtic-Anglo American" or any bullshit like that. I'm an American Swinging Richard.

Those that call me cracker are probably on this list.
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And more than likely affiliated with the DNC like those on this list.
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I vote for whomever I choose or not at all and don't need to justify that to anyone. So if you feel bad about being lily, don't cast that shadow on me. I was born in the late sixties and the product of a people that never had enough money for slaves or power to overturn anything - you know the "working class".

You probably don't even know who Cone is.

[Mister Bushice]

Here is the fuck. The repubs would gladly stir uneasiness about voting a black man as president using comments such as this:

The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination -- and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past -- are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds ... ."

Then there's the wifes comments posted elsewhere here about Obama being black puts him at higher risk.

If you don't think republicans won't use any weapon they can to win, including placing the fear of a Black President with a race card shoved up his own ass in the minds of white americans, you're fooling yourself.

I don't think that has anything to do with "Fear of a Black Planet". How about the fact Obama and his wife seem a bit ONE sided when it comes to addressing the race issues in this country. From their rhetoric one could conclude that RACISM isn't wrong, it's just wrong when it happens to blacks. That's entirely different than sitting there saying - "Ooooh white republicans, fear the fro". Which is your implication.

There are many black republicans that don't plan on voting for Obama for his anti-american stance and this one-sided "we're the victims and we demand justice" bullshit.

As far as I can tell, the race card on Obama is one that he pulled out and his bluff is being called. It isn't motivated by fear. The other questions raised are, if you hate America so much, how can we tell your decisions will be made for the best interests of America ?

To that end, I'd suggest Obama will take an oath to the Constitution and do his best to uphold it. If he wasn't such a blatant liar I might actually trust that he'd do his best to uphold it. That has nothing to with his skin color. I'd feel the same way if BSmack was running for office. :D

No Tom, You misunderstood me. I was trying to say exactly what you are sayin. I think that the repubs will use the fact Obama does have a "we blacks is the down trodden, and whitey better recognize it and move to fix it" mentality against him. His one sided view of racial issues will be something they will target to make white folk not want to vote for him, out of fear that he will use the presidency to push a black instead of an American Agenda.

[Tom In VA]

Okay, well why shouldn't they ?

The goal is to inevitably rid ourselves of double standards in as much as possible. So far much of the answer has been - more double standards. I am not totally sold on ridding ourselves completely of affirmative Action, as it also protects other ethnicities. But this blatant double standard needs to be scrutinized and not shoved under a rug. The "Good" Reverend Wright is heavily inspired by the likes of Farakhan and fits a pattern of behavior. That would be, middle - upper class blacks trying to appeal to blacks lower on the socio-economic scale by using hate filled, race based speech for power and personal gain. Not at all unlike Adoph Hitler did. Not at all unlike those that emulate and follow Adolph Hitler today do.

Does Obama want to lead the country ? Or does he just want to be the first black president ? I believe the latter. I also believe that he has carefully plotted his rise through the ranks and his association with Wright was merely a ploy to involve himself in this mystique of being "militant" - therefore "more black" than he actually is. Obama should be held accountable and not just given a pass: "Well he is kind of black, he's from Africa, white people messed around in Africa, so I guess I"m white and guilty - therefore the only answer is to lay back and enjoy it".

He should be required to EARN votes and address these concerns. And he should. 49% of whites polled were turned off by this and 25% of blacks were turned off by his unwillingness to UNEQUIVOCALLY disavow these anti-american, racially divisive words.

And as Obama said "Words matter".