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Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:29 am
by Felix
Tom In VA wrote:
The difference between Christianity and the other religions is that Christians believe that .....
can I try....
"they're right and everybody else is going to hell"
sorry, that's applicable to every religion...
let me think about it
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:39 am
by battery chucka' one
Felix wrote:Tom In VA wrote:
The difference between Christianity and the other religions is that Christians believe that .....
can I try....
"they're right and everybody else is going to hell"
sorry, that's applicable to every religion...
let me think about it
First things first, you need to quit thinking about Christianity in the terms of a 'religion'. It's more than that. It's a personal relationship with God (Jesus). Unlike 'religions', there is nothing a Christian can do to earn their salvation. All that can be done is to accept it. Period.
Unfortunately, there are myriad fools, ignoramuses, and morons in this world, who don't know, understand, nor care to, that this is the case. Sad.
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:51 am
by battery chucka' one
Tom In VA wrote:Mike the Lab Rat wrote:Let's not forget that soon after the Christian denomination got some power, it proceeded to turn around and then persecute other faiths.
So much for the claims of moral superiority.
Indeed, in practice. However a fundamental precept is that we are all prone to sin or "unhealthy behavior" of some sort - this is universal amongst most all religions. Saying this, doesn't necessarily equate to "I am superior to you". Poptart's quote does not, on the surface, impugn one into moral inferiority and leave one with the sense he or she should subjugate themselves to those perceived as morally superior.
This happened, mvscal is absolutely correct in that assertion, but the concept itself does not cause that to happen. In fact, I would contend that the fact the human species is "incomplete" and suffers from this condition that makes the possibility of oppression and allowing one to be oppressed possible at all.
I think we're all well aware of Christianity's failings throughout it's evolution and split into different denominations. Those failings themselves are a testimony to the fact we are ALL prone to sin and that "inspiration from above (or around) and work are needed to avoid it and overcome these proclivities.
The concept of being born with this, tagged as it were, is simply based on observable human nature or "patterns of behavior". And it occurred before the Christ "Cult" was ever assembled. In fact, it occurred long before Christ was even around.
The difference between Christianity and the other religions is that Christians believe that .....
I'll have to let poptart finish this part if he chooses.
'Religion' is man's attempt to get closer to the god of their choice. It's man made and, like all of man's creations, is ultimately doomed for failure. In finishing your sentence, Christianity doesn't allow for earning of salvation. We are saved by grace. Grace is an 'undeserved and unearned gift'. All other world religions are based around what humans can do. In Christianity, we are all sinners and, therefore, can do nothing to become righteous in God's sight.
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:05 am
by poptart
Tom wrote:The difference between Christianity and the other religions is that Christians believe that .....
I'll have to let poptart finish this part if he chooses.
Belief (or disbelief) that Jesus is the Christ is a faith.
There is nothing at all religious about that.
Man became separated from God, bound by satan, and destined for certain failure.
God promised a solution.
Christ is that solution for us.
The first century believers knew that Jesus was the Christ, the fulfillment of the Old Testament, and the liberator from satan.
They went forth to spread that message to people.
If one looks at the Tower of Babel incident in Genesis 11 they can see what the nature of man is.
The people decided to build, on their own terms, a grande tower from which they would meet God.
The tower was crumbled down.
The end.
And of course it is own
personal nature to want to build our own
personal Towers of Babel.
And perhaps our motivation seems correct.
These towers which we try to build come crumbling down.
Inevitably so.
Always so.
Our nature comes out from Genesis 3 -- when we became separated from God.
'Religion' is a modern day Tower of Babel.
The towers will all fall and only Christ remains.
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:22 am
by BSmack
Felix wrote:battery chucka' one wrote:
I accept that you have no basis to stand upon for that which you claim. Again, you have nothing. Next question.
this is a joke right.....I mean seriously you can't be this ignorant in real life
YES HE CAN!!!
sin
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:13 pm
by SunCoastSooner
battery chucka' one wrote:mvscal wrote:Christianity's frequently aggressive proselytizing shows they have a lot of work to do in the "minding your own fucking business" department. It was that annoying habit which inclined Romans to toss them to lions or burn them alive on occassions when Christians made themselves particularly obnoxious.
The Romans were very tolerant and easy going in terms of religion, so you had to be a tremendous asshole in order to get pegged to a cross.
We'll give you a chance to redeem yourself on this foolish post. Can you give us a link?
Google: Nigeria, 2003
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:05 am
by Diogenes
One man come in the name of love
One man come and go
One man come, he to justify
One man to overthrow
In the name of love
One more in the name of love
In the name of love
What more in the name of love?
One man caught on a barbed wire fence
One man he resist
One man washed on an empty beach
One man betrayed with a kiss
In the name of love
One more in the name of love
In the name of love
What more in the name of love?
Early morning, April 4
Shot rings out in the Memphis sky
Free at last, they took your life
They could not take your pride
For the record, what was the original sin?
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:54 pm
by poptart
God gave his Word and man, deceived by satan, left that Word.
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:11 pm
by JayDuck
poptart wrote:God gave his Word and man, deceived by satan, left that Word.
Satan, smarter than God...Confirmed!
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:11 pm
by Felix
mvscal wrote:
God sure is a dickhead.
throw on top of that the fact that he is going to condemn all those who choose not to worship him to a fiery inferno forever and ever....
yep, God is pretty much a douchebag
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:49 am
by poptart
JayDuck wrote:poptart wrote:God gave his Word and man, deceived by satan, left that Word.
Satan, smarter than God...Confirmed!
If not for God having prepared eternal hell for satan (and all who follow him), yeah, you'd have a point.
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:44 am
by Felix
mvscal wrote:
Hey, God. Lighten the fuck up, OK? Don't blame us for your shoddy workmanship.
shoddy workmanship?
95% of the species he "created" have gone extinct
the Chinese think that's a pretty fucked up average
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:38 pm
by Diogenes
mvscal wrote:Diogenes wrote:For the record, what was the original sin?
A talking snake tricked Eve into eating an apple and things have been going downhill ever since.
A Serpent, not a 'talking snake'. (which by context and similar verses is an obvious reference to Satan, not any menber of the animal kingdom).
But I was refering to what particular sin, not the individual action. The song should have given it away.
And for the record, most Christian persecutions were based on the exclusivity of their faith and denial of the Roman gods (refusing to offer sacrifices was a common offense) more than their insidious proselytizing.
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:30 pm
by Diogenes
mvscal wrote:Diogenes wrote:And for the record, most Christian persecutions were based on the exclusivity of their faith and denial of the Roman gods (refusing to offer sacrifices was a common offense) more than their insidious proselytizing.
Or so Christian apologists would have you believe.
And anyone with a basic knowledge of history would know.
But you're correct, the Jews did real well under the Romans.
Or not.
Re: Man is faced with a problem
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:50 pm
by Diogenes
mvscal wrote:In any event, the various Judean revolts were...
...caused by the clash between Judaism and Roman paganism.