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poptart wrote:the NFL is NOT pro football.

I don't even know where to start with that FUCKING RIDICULOUS statement.

RevLimiter wrote:

poptart wrote:the NFL is NOT pro football.

I don't even know where to start with that FUCKING RIDICULOUS statement.

Then don't because none of us are surprised you can't grasp that statement in its historical context. Have another Bon Bon.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

RevLimiter wrote:

poptart wrote:the NFL is NOT pro football.

I don't even know where to start with that FUCKING RIDICULOUS statement.

Then don't because none of us are surprised you can't grasp that statement in its historical context. Have another Bon Bon.

Feel free to stay on topic or go FUCK yourself, mmkay?

Look at your fat self, Paul.

We've got a legit NFL issue thread here and your 4 lame posts are summed up like this.

- shut up, poptart
- good take, ucant
- I don't know what to say
- fuck yourself, S_M

Articulate a take, smack somebody or step the fuck out, jerk off.

Or better yet, do the right thing and offer the admins. to delete your account.

poptart wrote:Look at your fat self, Paul.

Actually, I just ran back to my full-length mirror in my bedroom, and I admired my rather SVELTE self. GODDAMN I'm a sexy bitch these days! :D

We've got a legit NFL issue thread here and your 4 lame posts are summed up like this.

- shut up, poptart
- good take, ucant
- I don't know what to say
- fuck yourself, S_M

LIke they say, "If the shoe fits...." Get over it.

Articulate a take, smack somebody or step the fuck out, jerk off.

Or better yet, do the right thing and offer the admins. to delete your account.

Fair enough.

Adding a 17th game and deleting a preseason game is BRILLIANT thinking by the league. It gets the season started a week earlier, and it eliminates a meaningless game that nobody wants to see and most of the players playing in it will be flipping burgers or washing cars soon afterwards, not to mention the fact that it'll make it easier to seed the playoff teams.

As for me "doing the right thing".....that won't be happening anytime soon, Pops. I (like many other posters here) simply get SICK AND MOTHERFUCKING TIRED of you incessantly bitching and whining and complaining on and on and on about how the greatest sports league in the good old US of A is nothing but a complete bunch of idiots. It's tired and played and STUPID. If you don't like it, don't watch it, don't listen to it, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD don't fucking POST about it.

Rumps wrote:I know the 4th game is about evaluating the 3rd stringers and practice squad guys, but that shit is important.

And it's especially crucial when your entire TEAM is made up of 3rd stringers and practice squad guys.

Sin,
Houston Texan Fan

RevLimiter wrote:it'll make it easier to seed the playoff teams.

How's that?

poptart wrote:The reason I care is because it's bad for the league.
And once again the NFL wants to take steps to do something BAD for the league for the lone purpose of cashing in.
Sorry, that makes me ill.

I've alread articulated some of the reasons why it's bad.

- 17 games = home/away imbalance, very stupid, NO reason for it from a competition point of view
- cut preseason = cutting away preparation time = diminished product
- just too many games = players at risk or injured

There is no reason for a 17th game, jim.

If 16 was somehow BAD, or not working out, yeah, add a 17th.

From Fan perspective - 18 games is even better than 17

I hated having to buy 2 preseason games along with 8 regular season games - 20% of my cost as a fan was for worthless exhibition.

None of the other major sports do this to their season ticket holders.
To be honest - I'd rather see them eliminate preseason all together - HS & Colleges don't do it

Everything needed to see what rookies can do can either be done in camp or with scheduled practices with other teams.

Sorry Tart - I'm all for seeing exhibition games go the way of leather helmets

KC Scott wrote: scheduled practices with other teams.

Otherwise known as "scrimmages". And yes, those can easily replace the worthless pre-season exhibition games.

Hey, I think we're on to something here. 18 game regular season... someone notify Goodell that T1B has reached a consensus and made a decision. Make it happen.

Scott wrote:To be honest - I'd rather see them eliminate preseason all together - HS & Colleges don't do it

MLB should cancel spring training and the NBA doesn't need any pre-season games either.

Determining what professional leagues ought to do based on what goes on in high school or college is ... wack, sorry.


Well, 18 games makes more sense than 17 because you don't intentionally create a competetive imbalance by giving some teams more home games than others.

But if we want an even number then we're just fine where we're at.

poptart wrote: MLB should cancel spring training and the NBA doesn't need any pre-season games either.

So your missing:
Point A - MLB doesn't make their season ticket holders pay for these games (Can't speak for the NBA - No idea)
Point B - The Spring training and NBA games don't constitute 20% of the games being played in a given season (4 of 20 = 20%)

Determining what professional leagues ought to do based on what goes on in high school or college is ... wack, sorry.

Why? - Really, why?

Well, 18 games makes more sense than 17 because you don't intentionally create a competetive imbalance by giving some teams more home games than others.

But if we want an even number then we're just fine where we're at.

18 is 2 better than 16. Your Logic Failed.

I know you want to turn back the clock - Raider glory days and all, but it just ain't gonna happen

Scott, you bring some interesting points.

Does the NFL make fans pay for pre-season games when they buy a season ticket or is it the KC Chiefs that make a fan do that?
If this practice is MANDATED by the league, I'll stand corrected, but I believe that it is an individual team practice.

So the answer is to that is easy.
If you, the fan, don't want to pay for pre-season games then you don't buy the season tickets.
Or you pay and take that up the @ss.
Or you pay and complain to the Chiefs about it ... which perhaps you (and many others) have.

Myself, I would never buy season tickets for the NFL.
I attended some NFL games back in the day ... before the price of parking my car was the price that I saw as reasonable to actually attend the damn game.

Millionaire players, multi-millionaire owners ... me GROSSLY overpaying to support them?
Not a fuggen chance.

Sports are, and have been, TOTALLY out of wack.


Baseball plays about 30 'pre-season' games out of 192 total - about 15%
The NBA plays about 10 pre-season games out of 92 total - about 11%
The NFL plays 4 pre-season games out of 20 total - 20%
If the NFL played 3 pre-season and 17 reg. season games it would be - 15%

If 18 and 2 is better than 16 and 4, then what about 20 and 2?
Or 20 and 0?
Is 20 games too many?
What's the magic number?

My opinion is that 16 has taken it to the limit.
I think you've got to consider the players and the coaches and not think only of what is pleasing to the fan or the league bank account.

And also, part of the appeal of the NFL is that every game is important.
But when you had 14 games each game was even MORE important.
When they upped it to 16 part of that was stripped away.
Each game you add takes away from the importance of the other games.

Also to consider is that if you go to a 17 or 18 game schedule you will have to begin before Labor Day.
I don't think that prospect is very appealing to the networks.
Or ... play a week of games after Janurary 1 -- also not very appealing.


Comparing high school and college procedures to professional procedures is apples and oranges, IMO.

AMATEUR sports are a diversion, not to be taken all that seriously.
PROFESSIONAL sports a serious business.

I can hear you screaming about college football/basketball being serious business too.
They are, yes, but that's only because they misrepresent themselves.

NCAA D-1 Football is a disgusting pile of shit.
I'm sorry, it's a laughably disgusting pile of shit.

It's beyond me how anyone can take it very seriously, let alone financially support it.
You tune in for a game between two 'name' programs and you KNOW that at the very least there is some shady activity going on with 'some' of the players.
You don't know how many of them, or who specifically, but you know it's not all clean.
You don't know which team is doing the most/best cheating. LOL
So how in the fuck can anyone look at that seriously?

Total farce, total pile of shitola.

I've brought this up in the CFB Forum here before and I think the peeps there think I'm trollin' 'em. LAMO
Keep the blinders on, fools.

That got slightly off topic, but my POINT with it is that I view college football just as I view H.S. football -- because that's what NCAA D-1 football presents itself to be.
It's a diversion not to be taken very seriously.
It's an extra-curricular activity for the STUDENT athletes to engage in.
So they don't need to fine-tune their skills and programs with pre-season games.
Just get a couple of scrimmages and let 'er rip.
It's all for shits and giggles.

The PROFESSIONAL sports and athletes/coaches DO need to fine-tune their skills and programs because it's a professional endeavor.

If NCAA D-1 ever comes clean and goes fully pro, then yeah, they ought to play a couple of pre-season games too.

poptart wrote:Scott, you bring some interesting points.

Does the NFL make fans pay for pre-season games when they buy a season ticket or is it the KC Chiefs that make a fan do that?
If this practice is MANDATED by the league, I'll stand corrected, but I believe that it is an individual team practice.

EVERY NFL team makes their season ticket buyers pay for pre-season ducats.

That may be true, but are the teams required by the league to include pre-season games in a season ticket purchase?

poptart wrote:That may be true, but are the teams required by the league to include pre-season games in a season ticket purchase?

I don't think the league has any say in how teams price or sell preseason and regular season games, including season ticket plans. Once one teams figures out a new revenue source, other teams follow- for instance PSLs.

Football is not the only sport that finds new or creative ways to make money. In MLB, the Phillies make a very few amount of single game seats available for certain interleague games. If you want a Red Sox-Phillies ticket or a Yanks-Phillies ticket be prepared to buy a 4 or 5 game plan, just to get a ticket to that game (if you want to sit). Walk-up seats for $5 are always available.

My guess is this is the same throughout the league.

OCmike wrote:And it's especially crucial when your entire TEAM is made up of 3rd stringers and practice squad guys.

Sin,
Houston Texan Fan

How's that 49er team workin' out, Mike?