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Re: The "Open"

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:44 pm
by BSmack
Goober McTuber wrote:Why don't you take a moment to put this into English. Look, I just asked the question because he doesn’t look like a blatant steroid abuser. According to what I’ve read, dude was 142 coming out of college, has added about 20 lbs. since. Not that big a deal, though he did take creatine (not sure of the tour's policy on that).
The IOC doesn't ban creatine, so I doubt the PGA does.
Prince Alexandre de Merode, chairman of the IOC medical commission, said that creatine, a form of amino acid, should be regarded as a food. "We don't tell people that they can't eat eggs or bread," he said. "Creatine is food, and there is no reason to ban it. You can't exaggerate, because it's not comparable to steroids."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n14186751" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Given Villegas' age at the time of his transformation and his obviously high natural metabolism, I have no trouble accepting that he was able to pack 20-25 lbs of mostly muscle onto his 5'9" frame without resorting to HGH or other steroids within the period of 12-18 months.

Oh, and Dins, Villegas did gain body fat in addition to muscle fat. Did you read Goober's link? He was sporting a body fat % of 4.5 when he was a Gator. He most assuredly is up to at least 7-8 percent by now.

Re: The "Open"

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:20 pm
by Dinsdale
BSmack wrote:
13-2.

Whenever I have a question about rules, I consult the experts.

Re: The "Open"

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:32 pm
by Goober McTuber
BSmack wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Why don't you take a moment to put this into English. Look, I just asked the question because he doesn’t look like a blatant steroid abuser. According to what I’ve read, dude was 142 coming out of college, has added about 20 lbs. since. Not that big a deal, though he did take creatine (not sure of the tour's policy on that).
The IOC doesn't ban creatine, so I doubt the PGA does.
Prince Alexandre de Merode, chairman of the IOC medical commission, said that creatine, a form of amino acid, should be regarded as a food. "We don't tell people that they can't eat eggs or bread," he said. "Creatine is food, and there is no reason to ban it. You can't exaggerate, because it's not comparable to steroids."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n14186751" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Given Villegas' age at the time of his transformation and his obviously high natural metabolism, I have no trouble accepting that he was able to pack 20-25 lbs of mostly muscle onto his 5'9" frame without resorting to HGH or other steroids within the period of 12-18 months.
May well have been longer than 12-18 months as well. Sounds like a process he worked on throughout his college career, typically a time when a lot of young men fill out quite a bit. I was 140 when I headed to college, 165 when I left.