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mvscal wrote:Tard who believes OJ is innocent says what?

He was convicted. Doesn't sound too innocent to me. Flail away you racist fuckstain.

mvscal wrote:Of murdering his wife and a waiter?

I doubt he is innocent of that. Not guilty for sure, but innocent? Who knows? Besides you and Bobby that is.

Are you a n...igger, queerland?

No. Are you a self-loathing racist malotto prick?

Derron wrote:Ever hang out with any government workers ?? They only hang with their own kind, since they can only understand how each other thinks. And it is a lifestyle..in addition to a "job"

Wrong. The "lifestyle" is go to work and do the job you're asked to do as it is in any other form of employment.

Is there "waste" ? Yes, but that "waste" starts with executive branch or congress, travels back to or down to the executive branch.

For instance. Congress says "We need an agency to pick the corn out of shit". They form a commission, pass a bill, create the "Federal Bureau of ShitPickers".

Now the Executive Branch is resposible for executing this bill. They fill the predefined infrastructure with a Director and an executive hierarchy, they in turn determine the resources necessary to manage and run the "Federal Bureau of ShitPickers". Jobs are classified and ranked, according to the Law and in conjunction with OPM. Those jobs get filled by people interested in working for a living and picking corn out of shit.

Most folks on the payroll are decent folks who cannot stand the bureaucracy and bullshit. They just want to pick the corn out of the shit and put in an honest day's work. Yes. There are creeps and slackers. The major problem with them is that it is tough to categorically fire them. EEO Compaints, Lawsuits, and a ton of other shit get in the way. Sometimes because these slackers can't be gotten rid of ..... many employees try to pick up the slack because afterall ...

There's a lot of corn to be picked out of shit. And there's plenty of shit.

Then they get bitter and tired of doing the job of two/three people so they start slacking a little bit - i.e. only doing their job.

Or they leave. I left. But I left behind some good decent folks that work their ass off and actually hold the TAXPAYER as being the most important and endline consumer of the service their agency was designed to provide.

Which do you miss the most - the corn or the shit?

88 wrote:I must be.

I concur.

88 wrote:
Interesting take, Felix. You contend that well over 2 trillion dollars has been taken from the US economy by Wall Street fucks in a relatively short period of time. That is a lot of cash. Do you mind telling me where you think they put it?

The Wall Street fucks aren't totally responsible for pocketing all of the lucre...there are mortgage loan officers, bankers, real estate salesmen, appraisers, etc. that reaped the rewards of the housing bubble as well...but companies like Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, AIG that should have regulated themselves (you know, that whole free market thing) are the ones that have caused this shit....their company CEO's, Vice Presidents, Chief Financial Officers (guys like Richard Fuld, who owns an 18 million dollar waterfront house in Florida, a 12 million dollar vacation house in Colorado, huge fucking boats, cars, etc) were living pretty large just so long as housing prices continued to escalate.

Any fucking moron that can read a spread sheet and has the slightest inkling of how the real estate market works knows that price appreciation rates of 20% to 40%/annum cannot be sustained, therefore they were well aware that what they were creating was a house of fucking cards.....so did they rein themselves in like most prudent business people would...FUCK NO, they continued on what they knew was a reckless path that would eventually lead to where we are now.....where did the money go? I have no idea, but the fact is that 700 billion is just the tip of the iceberg and our "leaders" instead of doing the right thing and infusing the money into banks to free up credit are instead going to buy these toxic mortgage packages from these douchecanoes....

deregulation works only when companies are willing to regulate themselves and there aren't greedy fucknuts like Richard Fuld running the show...

do I sound pissed?

I am and you should be too

Felix wrote:deregulation works only when companies are willing to regulate themselves

And if you believe that they're ever willing to do that, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Real cheap.

mvscal wrote:

Felix wrote: our "leaders" instead of doing the right thing and infusing the money into banks to free up credit

Oh, they're doing that too.

they are? Where'd you read that? Where are they getting the money to re-fund banks that are currently teetering?

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Felix wrote:deregulation works only when companies are willing to regulate themselves

And if you believe that they're ever willing to do that, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Real cheap.

of course they aren't, hence the reason you and I are paying for their fuckups

I'm telling you people should be going to jail for this CRIMINAL fucking behavior

88 wrote:

Kierland wrote:

88 wrote:I must be.

I concur.

You provided an excellent explanation of your position, as always. Your clients must gush every time you rise to present your two word summation.

"Errrr... OUT!"

Tom In VA wrote:

Derron wrote:Ever hang out with any government workers ?? They only hang with their own kind, since they can only understand how each other thinks. And it is a lifestyle..in addition to a "job"

Wrong. The "lifestyle" is go to work and do the job you're asked to do as it is in any other form of employment.

Is there "waste" ? Yes, but that "waste" starts with executive branch or congress, travels back to or down to the executive branch.

For instance. Congress says "We need an agency to pick the corn out of shit". They form a commission, pass a bill, create the "Federal Bureau of ShitPickers".

Now the Executive Branch is resposible for executing this bill. They fill the predefined infrastructure with a Director and an executive hierarchy, they in turn determine the resources necessary to manage and run the "Federal Bureau of ShitPickers". Jobs are classified and ranked, according to the Law and in conjunction with OPM. Those jobs get filled by people interested in working for a living and picking corn out of shit.

Most folks on the payroll are decent folks who cannot stand the bureaucracy and bullshit. They just want to pick the corn out of the shit and put in an honest day's work. Yes. There are creeps and slackers. The major problem with them is that it is tough to categorically fire them. EEO Compaints, Lawsuits, and a ton of other shit get in the way. Sometimes because these slackers can't be gotten rid of ..... many employees try to pick up the slack because afterall ...

There's a lot of corn to be picked out of shit. And there's plenty of shit.

Then they get bitter and tired of doing the job of two/three people so they start slacking a little bit - i.e. only doing their job.

Or they leave. I left. But I left behind some good decent folks that work their ass off and actually hold the TAXPAYER as being the most important and endline consumer of the service their agency was designed to provide.

Note my brief summation and your wordy response...fucking A..you can leave the government..but you can't take the government out of you....

No explanation needed...government is fucked up from the top to the bottom, bottom to the top. People work for the government because you don't have to do fuck all, you get paid decent, get fucking amazing benefits, and get over on the tax payer constantly.

Stop with the tax payer being the end line..what a fuckin crock of shit..and I have never seen one do their own fucking job well, let alone pick up the other leechs slack..

Stop trying to justify government workers and the government..its a choice, those who get a government job do, they sell their pride and soul for that job, compromise their integrity and any morals they have on a daily basis. They spend their time justifying their job, covering their ass, and trying to produce anything of value, all the while getting:

An above average wage
Full family health benefits
Fully funded retirement with no personal contributions
More days off than any private business
No accountability for any aspect of job performance.

Sure it is the same as private business in a way, except in private business you can :

Get fired for being a fuck up or not producing a quantifiable result. Not so in government....

mvscal wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:Health care as commodity embodies the errant path we've been striding down in this country

Unfortunately for your pollyanna fantasy, health care is a commodity and will always be a commodity. It isn't a right or even a privilege. It's something you can afford or you can't afford.

If you can't afford it, go ahead and do without or die. Your health isn't my responsibility.

I'm guessing your Burger King bennies cover tooth decay, herpies, cousin'in lov'in abortions.........

some of us don't have these options.......

i gots a couple of fulds if you low.........

88 wrote:
Beachfront house $18,000,000.

Vacation home $12,000,000.

Two trillion dollars less the $40,000,000 Fuld hauled out (assuming he paid cash): $1,999,960,000,000.

You're going to need another 49,999 Fulds to get to two trillion dollars, dog. That's a lot of Fulds.

dude, I don't know what the fuck these assholes do with their money, I'm not their accountant

all I know is that you and I are out 700 billion TO START, in order to prop up a bunch of fucking thieves that will never spend one day in jail for their fleecing of America.....

Both plans are stupid because neither addresses the true problem: the cost of health care.

The reason low-income people can't afford health insurance is because they have been totally fucking it up for themselves for decades.They sit on juries because they can actually afford to take the time off from their shit jobs if they work at all, and award every fucking plaintiff that strolls into the courtroom a judgement in the tens of millions. Malpractice rates go through the roof, so doctors need to make more money and demand it from HMOs. Guess who those costs get passed on to? Nothing will change on this until a cap is put on how much can be awarded for emotional pain and suffering, which'll never fucking happen because of the trial lawyers associations powerful lobby. Sucks for us.

88 wrote: [
You're going to need another 49,999 Fulds to get to two trillion dollars, dog. That's a lot of Fulds.

Fuld's personal remuneration totalled $480m over eight years – including payouts of $91m in 2001 and $89m in 2005.

"Your company is now bankrupt and out country is in a state of crisis," said Waxman, a liberal lawmaker from California. "You get to keep $480m. I have a very basic question – is that fair?" After a long pause, Fuld demurred, saying the figure was exaggerated: "The majority of my compensation, sir, came in stock. The vast majority of the stock I got I still owned at the point of our [bankruptcy] filing."

so in two years he received a total of 180 million dollars, and an estimated 370 million over an 8 year period (which excludes his stock compensation)...see, you don't need as many Fulds as you think at that rate..and you've got to consider how much the Presidents, Vice Presidents, and other high end executives for Lehman were being compensated...

http://www.forbes.com/2007/05/03/highes ... _land.html

there's a link to the Forbes site that gives the compensation of CEOs from various industries

you can sort them based on the industry they're in...

88 wrote: The article you linked says that the total compensation to the CEO's of the Fortune 500 is $7,500,000,000, and that exercised stock options accounted for 48% of that amount. That isn't anywhere near 2+ trillion dollars. The losses you and I feel have almost nothing to do with executive compensation. That is only a tiny drop in the swimming pool of value loss.

I could have saved you a lengthy, informative, yet unneeded expose of what the causes of our current financial crisis are....perhaps I should have specified that it's not so much the amount of the CEO's compensation but rather what their what I consider to be outlandish compensation represents....reckless behavior that could have and should have been avoided, yet wasn't because so much of the compensation for upper management is tied to performance, and that is what motivates greed....

but thanks for the info, there were several things in that article I was unaware of

88 wrote:

Kierland wrote:

88 wrote:I must be.

I concur.

You provided an excellent explanation of your position, as always. Your clients must gush every time you rise to present your two word summation.

My position is that I am shocked that you are so dumb. What part of that do you not understand?
Clients? Two word summation? WTF?

It was mostly never really money? :doh:

And it only took newsweek writing to a 96IQ audience for you to get it.

"If you're looking to track down your missing money—figure out who has it now, maybe ask to have it back—you might be disappointed to learn that is was never really money in the first place."

Make that 86.

88 wrote:Dude, you still don't get it. It wasn't the reckless behavior of upper management and CEO's that caused you to lose your money. It was your reckless behavior. You gambled your money in the stock market and lost it. They didn't make you do this. You could have invested it in other places than the stock market.

so now it was the investors fault...okay great, fuck them for trusting that Lehman Bros., AIG, etc. were actually looking out for them and their interests

glad to see you've got your priorities straight....

88 wrote:I feel sorry for the people who have to be around you in real life. Your level of stupidity is exhausting.

IKYRBWAI Smack. Get back to me when you have something you didn't learn in 3rd grade.

88 wrote:

Kierland wrote:

88 wrote:I feel sorry for the people who have to be around you in real life. Your level of stupidity is exhausting.

IKYRBWAI Smack. Get back to me when you have something you didn't learn in 3rd grade.

PLEASE tell me you are not that dumb. Please.

Come on, 88, it’s Queerland. By now no one should have to explain the depths of his idiocy.

88 wrote: PLEASE tell me you are not that dumb. Please.

Get back to me when you have something to post that I have not already posted.

Derron wrote:Wheres the fucking Democratic Congress at ?? Cunt Pelosi might call them back ?? Save the fucking free world with your actions now Democrats....

Excellent job KYOA, Derron.