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mvscal wrote:Were you?
I was in 1st grade. Even then it wasn't lost on me that LBJ was claiming to carry the JFK banner.
LBJ painted Goldwater as a warmongering psychopath with the help of his lackeys in the media. Of course, it was actually LBJ who was the war mongering psychopath.

But the biggest problem Goldwater faced was the split in his own party between the conservatives and big government liberal Rockefeller wing. It was pretty much a mirror image of this election except it was the squishy moderates who sat out.
both points are true, however, Johnson was still portraying himself as the continuation of JFK and playing heavily on the sympathies of the population.
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mvscal wrote:LBJ painted Goldwater as a warmongering psychopath with the help of his lackeys in the media. Of course, it was actually LBJ who was the war mongering psychopath.
Smart move by LBJ, pointing the finger first. Then if Goldwater tries to portray LBJ as a war mongerer, LBJ says, “I Know You Are But What Am I? You’re better than that, Barry”. Goldwater doesn’t even carry Arizona, but picks up Missouri.
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:
B) The Catholic vote started going to the GOP in '72 because of the McGovern rules.
Lemme see if I've got this one straight. You're saying that Catholics began to defect to the GOP because of some internal Democratic Party rules relative to the selection of a Presidential nominee? Again, wow, just wow.
The election of 1972 proved to be crucial in the Catholic-Democratic partnership. Dissatisfied by the liberal social views of George McGovern, a majority of Catholics voted for Nixon. That year also saw a change in Democratic strategic alliances that would have long-term effects on the influence of Catholics within the party.

The primary architect of the new strategy was Fred Dutton, who argued in a 1971 book, Changing Sources of Power: American Politics in the 1970s, that the Democrats should break with Catholics since they “have tended...to become a major redoubt of traditional Americanism and of the anti-negro, anti-youth vote.” As a member of the McGovern commission of the Democratic Party, Dutton helped change party rules to give a greater voice to women and young people and effectively undercut the influence of old (mostly Catholic) party bosses.

The fallout from these changes was evident eight years later, when Ronald Reagan handily won the Catholic vote. During both terms of the Reagan presidency, there was much hand-wringing about the “Reagan Catholics” and why they had been won over by the Republican Party...
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:Not saying that Obama will do it, but I think he has the potential. In fact, I would say he has more potential in this regard than I would've said about Reagan at the same point in time in 1980.
The potential to be Carter II and give the GOP another Reagenesque realignment?

Absolutely.
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Back on topic for a second ...

The GOP used to stand for fiscal responsibily and LESS government ... not fiscal responsibility as long as it doesn't have to do with my particular lobbiests/contributors, and less government as long as it isn't to "protect the children," and get Jeeeesus in schools.

The lack of what used to be a moderate base in NE out front is what's wrong with the party, imo.
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P.J. O'Rourke's thoughts on the subject.

Yes, we got a few tax breaks during the regimes of Reagan and W. But the government is still taking a third of our salary. Is the government doing a third of our job? Is the government doing a third of our dishes? Our laundry? Our vacuuming? When we go to Hooters is the government tending bar making sure that one out of three margaritas is on the house? If our spouse is feeling romantic and we're tired, does the government come over to our house and take care of foreplay? (Actually, during the Clinton administration...)

Anyway, a low tax rate is not--never mind the rhetoric of every conservative politician--a bedrock principle of conservatism. The principle is fiscal responsibility.

Conservatives should never say to voters, "We can lower your taxes." Conservatives should say to voters, "You can raise spending. You, the electorate, can, if you choose, have an infinite number of elaborate and expensive government programs. But we, the government, will have to pay for those programs. We have three ways to pay.

"We can inflate the currency, destroying your ability to plan for the future, wrecking the nation's culture of thrift and common sense, and giving free rein to scallywags to borrow money for worthless scams and pay it back 10 cents on the dollar.

"We can raise taxes. If the taxes are levied across the board, money will be taken from everyone's pocket, the economy will stagnate, and the poorest and least advantaged will be harmed the most. If the taxes are levied only on the wealthy, money will be taken from wealthy people's pockets, hampering their capacity to make loans and investments, the economy will stagnate, and the poorest and the least advantaged will be harmed the most.

"And we can borrow, building up a massive national debt. This will cause all of the above things to happen plus it will fund Red Chinese nuclear submarines that will be popping up in San Francisco Bay to get some decent Szechwan take-out."

Yes, this would make for longer and less pithy stump speeches. But we'd be showing ourselves to be men and women of principle. It might cost us, short-term. We might get knocked down for not whoring after bioenergy votes in the Iowa caucuses. But at least we wouldn't land on our scruples. And we could get up again with dignity intact, dust ourselves off, and take another punch at the liberal bully-boys who want to snatch the citizenry's freedom and tuck that freedom, like a trophy feather, into the hatbands of their greasy political bowlers.
Anyway, it's no use blaming Wall Street. Blaming Wall Street for being greedy is like scolding defensive linemen for being big and aggressive. The people on Wall Street never claimed to be public servants. They took no oath of office. They're in it for the money. We pay them to be in it for the money. We don't want our retirement accounts to get a 2 percent return. (Although that sounds pretty good at the moment.)

What will destroy our country and us is not the financial crisis but the fact that liberals think the free market is some kind of sect or cult, which conservatives have asked Americans to take on faith. That's not what the free market is. The free market is just a measurement, a device to tell us what people are willing to pay for any given thing at any given moment. The free market is a bathroom scale. You may hate what you see when you step on the scale. "Jeeze, 230 pounds!" But you can't pass a law making yourself weigh 185. Liberals think you can. And voters--all the voters, right up to the tippy-top corner office of Goldman Sachs--think so too.

We, the conservatives, who do understand the free market, had the responsibility to--as it were--foreclose upon this mess. The market is a measurement, but that measuring does not work to the advantage of a nation or its citizens unless the assessments of volume, circumference, and weight are conducted with transparency and under the rule of law. We've had the rule of law largely in our hands since 1980. Where is the transparency? It's one more job we botched.

Although I must say we're doing good work on our final task--attaching the garden hose to our car's exhaust pipe and running it in through a vent window. Barack and Michelle will be by in a moment with some subsidized ethanol to top up our gas tank. And then we can turn the key.
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Get a grip, bro.

Saw this posted at another site, and it made me laugh:
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The loser you're going back and forth with is life's bitch.
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RadioFan wrote:Get a grip, bro.
Not A P.J. O'Rourke fan? Or are you drinking the 'religious right lost the election' kool-aid?
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Neither. I prefer music.
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RadioFan wrote:Neither. I prefer music.
I can dig it.

Personally I prefer avoiding having multiple defensive TDs called back because of stupid penalties.

Really fucking annoying.
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RadioFan wrote:Back on topic for a second ...

The GOP used to stand for fiscal responsibily and LESS government ... not fiscal responsibility as long as it doesn't have to do with my particular lobbiests/contributors, and less government as long as it isn't to "protect the children," and get Jeeeesus in schools.
Along those lines, the GOP hurt itself, big time, the moment Reagan decided to sell his economic policy as a free lunch for the unwashed masses. Particularly ironic for someone who once gave a rather famous speech in which he stated that the majority recognize that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

What's really hard to believe is that it took about a quarter of a century for the chickens to come home to roost.
The lack of what used to be a moderate base in NE out front is what's wrong with the party, imo.
I'd call it a microcosm of what's wrong with the party myself, but perhaps that's only a matter of semantics.

Either way, there are no more New England Republicans in the House of Representatives. Only three of the 12 Senators from the New England region are Republicans, down from five as recently as 2001.

In Presidential elections, New England is now solidly Democratic. But it wasn't always that way. Vermont used to be the most reliably Republican state in the union. Now, it is arguably the most reliably Democratic state. Imho, there's been less of a shift in the politics of Vermonters than there has been in the politics of the Republican Party.

The movement of the party's epicenter from the Northeast/Midwest to the South wasn't terribly beneficial for the party, imho.
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Terry in Crapchester wrote: Vermont used to be the most reliably Republican state in the union. Now, it is arguably the most reliably Democratic state. Imho, there's been less of a shift in the politics of Vermonters than there has been in the politics of the Republican Party.
Sounds like your opinion doesn't know what the fukk it's talking about.

Not saying that your claim that the republican party has lost it's way isn't valid. It is. But, to claim that the population hasn't changed pretty fukking drastically over the last 50 years is bullshit.

Vermont has become the weekend pad of rich, often liberal new yorkers. These folks are served by a large service industry of faggitsB&B owners and others that work in the tourism industry.

Are you gonna tell me that a group that used to vote solidly republican has switched to bernie sanders? No, they didn't. They just got replaced by a much different demographic.

Same thing applies to maine, but not as much. They atleast vote in senators that pretend to be republican.
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Terry in Crapchester wrote: Vermont used to be the most reliably Republican state in the union. Now, it is arguably the most reliably Democratic state. Imho, there's been less of a shift in the politics of Vermonters than there has been in the politics of the Republican Party.
Sounds like your opinion doesn't know what the fukk it's talking about.

Not saying that your claim that the republican party has lost it's way isn't valid. It is. But, to claim that the population hasn't changed pretty fukking drastically over the last 50 years is bullshit.

Vermont has become the weekend pad of rich, often liberal new yorkers. These folks are served by a large service industry of faggitsB&B owners and others that work in the tourism industry.

Are you gonna tell me that a group that used to vote solidly republican has switched to bernie sanders? No, they didn't. They just got replaced by a much different demographic.

Same thing applies to maine, but not as much. They atleast vote in senators that pretend to be republican.
You don't have to go back 50 years for the last time Vermont went Republican in a Presidential election. It happened as recently as 1988.

And I'm not saying that the demographics haven't changed in Vermont, only that they haven't changed as much as you suggest. Vermont is, what, 49th in population among the states. Since there isn't a huge population difference among the states at that end of the spectrum, a significant influx of newcomers into Vermont would have caused Vermont to move up the population ladder, not down. And Vermont is also among the states with the highest white populations in the country, speaking per capita anyway.
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Terry in Crapchester wrote:
smackaholic wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote: Vermont used to be the most reliably Republican state in the union. Now, it is arguably the most reliably Democratic state. Imho, there's been less of a shift in the politics of Vermonters than there has been in the politics of the Republican Party.
Sounds like your opinion doesn't know what the fukk it's talking about.

Not saying that your claim that the republican party has lost it's way isn't valid. It is. But, to claim that the population hasn't changed pretty fukking drastically over the last 50 years is bullshit.

Vermont has become the weekend pad of rich, often liberal new yorkers. These folks are served by a large service industry of faggitsB&B owners and others that work in the tourism industry.

Are you gonna tell me that a group that used to vote solidly republican has switched to bernie sanders? No, they didn't. They just got replaced by a much different demographic.

Same thing applies to maine, but not as much. They atleast vote in senators that pretend to be republican.
You don't have to go back 50 years for the last time Vermont went Republican in a Presidential election. It happened as recently as 1988.

And I'm not saying that the demographics haven't changed in Vermont, only that they haven't changed as much as you suggest. Vermont is, what, 49th in population among the states. Since there isn't a huge population difference among the states at that end of the spectrum, a significant influx of newcomers into Vermont would have caused Vermont to move up the population ladder, not down. And Vermont is also among the states with the highest white populations in the country, speaking per capita anyway.
Plenty of states that are now solidly blue went for rep in '88.

And you sure the fukk did imply that shifting demographis had little to do with anything.

Doesn't need to be much of a population change. Old republican farmers/mill town workers die off/move. They are replaced by BB owners, bartenders, waiters, waitresses etc. Guess which group votes which way.

And wtf does vermont being lilly white have to do with the discussion? No shit it's white. Marin county is lilly white too, but, they ain't voted republican in quite some time. And those southern states which the republicans owned....till last week, are way blacker than many blue states.

I hope you argue your point better in court, terry.

There are a few reasons the reps got run this time around. Being too conservative ain't one.
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mvscal wrote:
And those southern states which the republicans owned....till last week, are way blacker than many blue states.
There aren't enough n...iggers to matter in a national election.
Maybe not, but at least they voted ....which means that they "matter in a national election" more than you.
Yeah, all the blacks in north carolina, ohio, and florida didn't help him take those states. No sir. He did it on rich white liberals.

Dumbfukk.
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mvscal wrote:... I'd go so far as to say we spiked his campaign.

So, you're the one. Bastard.

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I'm trying hard to disagree with anything you said.


I can't.
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mvscal wrote:It's all part of the plan. We need to get out of the short term political expediency loop and start planning for the long haul.

The Democrat's hidden agenda is becoming clear. Consider the Clintonistas who are crawling all over "Onogga's" new transition team. Consider the doltish stiff they saddled him with as VP. Change? I think not. He's nothing more than an organ grinder's monkey on a very short leash who will be used as a political human shield. He's a patsy whose sole virtue is that he was the only one dumb enough to want it this term. The Clowntoons and their kosher buddies will be calling the shots behind the scenes.

The next four years are going to be a disaster regardless and everyone knows it. McCain and Shillary were pulling their punches the entire campaign and just going through the motions. In the meantime, Lee Harvey Obama's political career will be shot to pieces like Sonny Corleone on the toll bridge.

The fix is still in.

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Nope. Interesting take, but, I think McCain and Shillary really did want this. They just sukked at campaigning. As for Obama walking into a shit storm, you are right. And being surrounded by clintonista mafia types may be a problem for him.

It will be interesting, for sure.
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mvscal wrote: Consider the Clintonistas who are crawling all over "Onogga's" new transition team.
Nope. Interesting take, but, I think McCain and Shillary really did want this.

Rahm Emanuel will slice in half any Clintonista that even sniffs at usurping Obama's power.

He knocked the fuck out of any talk of Pelosi's and Reid's planned shitstorm 2 years ago.
This guy makes Carl Rove look like Richard Simmons.
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"The black is gifted in the art of making a lot of noise leading up to a general election, but actually staying home on Election Day, firing up a Kool, cracking open a malt liquor a talking loudly on the phone while his "extended family" watches BET."

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mvscal wrote:Would Obama have lost the election if every last one of them stayed home?
Quite likely.

I didn't stay home, and helped deliver Missouri, just barely, for the good guys.

But I heard your deafening voice of silence at the polls and respect that decision as well. It's a clear message.

Rack you for being able to type our 44th Presidents and next CINC's name w/o a racial slur. His visage may not end up on Mt. Rushmore, but he's at least due the respect of the office.

Sadly, our 43rd doesn't get that respect, but I simply refuse to stoop to that level.
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War Wagon wrote:Rack you for being able to type our 44th Presidents and next CINC's name w/o a racial slur. His visage may not end up on Mt. Rushmore, but he's at least due the respect of the office.

Sadly, our 43rd doesn't get that respect, but I simply refuse to stoop to that level.
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I used to think that too, Wagon.

Then I grew up and realized that it's all a farce and the "office" isn't worthy of our respect.

As mvscal said, B.O. is a puppet, as is current 43.

The 'machines' all but force the sheeple to vote for one of only two fucks, who honestly don't/can't give half a shit what the people want anyway.

The whole thing is staged to insure that the true OWNERS of the country just keep keepin' on.

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War Wagon wrote:Sadly, our 43rd doesn't get that respect, but I simply refuse to stoop to that level.
Go fuck yourself, cunt.
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You know part of the reason why I defended Bush so much - was because I felt bad for him. I really don't think he ever wanted the job. He always seemed reluctant to be "President". He did what he was supposed to do.

Obama will do the same - he volunteered

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Tom In VA wrote:You know part of the reason why I defended Bush so much - was because I felt bad for him. I really don't think he ever wanted the job. He always seemed reluctant to be "President".
Oh, I think he wanted to be president all right. He just didn’t have a clue as to how to go about it.
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War Wagon wrote:Sadly, our 43rd doesn't get that respect, but I simply refuse to stoop to that level.
Go fuck yourself, cunt.
Ahh, lookee... here's our front running "most likely to o.d. on meth" candidate, moronically checking in.

Glad to see you haven't lost your "A" game.
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Mace wrote:Unlike you, they didn't stay home,
So what? It wouldn't have made any difference one way or the other. Oclinton won by 8 million votes and there are only 13 million jigs of all ages in the country.
13% of the population is black. That’s about 40 million. I believe the the Obama victory has caused your brain to seize up.
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mvscal wrote:there are only 13 million jigs of all ages in the country. Do the math.
Wrong.

Maybe you meant that 13% of the population is black or African-American.

As of the 2005 Census estimate, there are over 37 million.

And yes, they can influence the outcome of a national election.

Edit - Goobs, you fucking cockblocker... I would have beaten you to the punch if one of my co-workers (who also happens to be black and a good buddy) hadn't walked into my office and asked to use the phone right when I was typing the above.
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War Wagon wrote: I would have beaten you to the punch if one of my co-workers (who also happens to be black and a good buddy) hadn't walked into my office and asked to use the phone right when I was typing the above.

I saw that on a sit-com once. In the end, the white guy and the black guy become friends.
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Martyred wrote:In the end, the white guy and the black guy become friends.
I can honestly say this black man is my friend. And I'm honored to say that. I've worked with him closely the past 10 years... we'll be going on our 3rd annual float trip and campout together next year, God willing.

Salt of the earth type.
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mvscal wrote:
Mace wrote:Unlike you, they didn't stay home,
So what? It wouldn't have made any difference one way or the other. Oclinton won by 8 million votes and there are only 13 million jigs of all ages in the country. Do the math.

They don't matter in a national election. Never have. Never will.
Doesn't really matter how many blacks there are. If the blacks in Ohio, NC, Virginia and Florida stay home, McCoot takes them easily. The same probably goes for Nevada, not that he would have needed it as I believe those 4 states have enough votes between them to swing it the other way.
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smackaholic wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Mace wrote:Unlike you, they didn't stay home,
So what? It wouldn't have made any difference one way or the other. Oclinton won by 8 million votes and there are only 13 million jigs of all ages in the country. Do the math.

They don't matter in a national election. Never have. Never will.
Doesn't really matter how many blacks there are. If the blacks in Ohio, NC, Virginia and Florida stay home, McCoot takes them easily. The same probably goes for Nevada, not that he would have needed it as I believe those 4 states have enough votes between them to swing it the other way.
Yep, nothing like an energized voting bloc to get a guy elected. Worked the same for for Chimpy in 2004, the only difference being the folks supporting Chimpy were your garden variety religious kooks and homophobes.

But, if you discount the overall discontent with GOP policies and the emergence of a strong progressive voting bloc in general, you're grossly oversimplifying the electoral landscape the GOP faces for the next 20 years. Where were the black voters in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Oregon? And what about Montana and the Dakotas, where Obama came closer than any Dem has in the last 40 years? Were there secret black voters stashed away in those states that nobody knows about?
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BSmack wrote: But, if you discount the overall discontent with GOP policies and the emergence of a strong progressive voting bloc in general, you're grossly oversimplifying the electoral landscape the GOP faces for the next 20 years. Where were the black voters in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Oregon? And what about Montana and the Dakotas, where Obama came closer than any Dem has in the last 40 years? Were there secret black voters stashed away in those states that nobody knows about?
Some of those states are becoming more "progressive". Why can't you liberals use a more correct term like socialist? Progressive is a very subjective description. If your ideal is socialism, then I guess socialism is progressive.

But, I doubt there is much of a nationwide trend that way. Vermont is full of NY libs and hippies. New Hampshire is basically a boston suburb. Same with maine. So the progressive thing may hold true there. But, in the large majority of the country, swing states swayed the way they did for 2 reasons. The black vote or discruntled conservatives that stayed home. Neither of these groups are very "progressive".
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Think I'll do my best tardogenes imitation and just post a C&P for my contribution to where the GOP will go...
The GOP's McCarthy gene
Think Goldwater is the father of conservatism? Think again.
By Neal Gabler

November 30, 2008

Ever since the election, partisans within the Republican Party and observers outside it have been speculating wildly about what direction the GOP will take to revive itself from its disaster. Or, more specifically, which wing of the party will prevail in setting the new Republican course -- whether it will be what conservative writer Kathleen Parker has called the "evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy" branch or the more pragmatic, intellectual, centrist branch. To determine the answer, it helps to understand exactly how Republicans arrived at this spot in the first place.

The creation myth of modern conservatism usually begins with Barry Goldwater, the Arizona senator who was the party's presidential standard-bearer in 1964 and who, even though he lost in one of the biggest landslides in American electoral history, nevertheless wrested the party from its Eastern establishment wing. Then, Richard Nixon co-opted conservatism, talking like a conservative while governing like a moderate, and drawing the opprobrium of true believers. But Ronald Reagan embraced it wholeheartedly, becoming the patron saint of conservatism and making it the dominant ideology in the country. George W. Bush picked up Reagan's fallen standard and "conservatized" government even more thoroughly than Reagan had, cheering conservatives until his presidency came crashing down around him. That's how the story goes.

But there is another rendition of the story of modern conservatism, one that doesn't begin with Goldwater and doesn't celebrate his libertarian orientation. It is a less heroic story, and one that may go a much longer way toward really explaining the Republican Party's past electoral fortunes and its future. In this tale, the real father of modern Republicanism is Sen. Joe McCarthy, and the line doesn't run from Goldwater to Reagan to George W. Bush; it runs from McCarthy to Nixon to Bush and possibly now to Sarah Palin. It centralizes what one might call the McCarthy gene, something deep in the DNA of the Republican Party that determines how Republicans run for office, and because it is genetic, it isn't likely to be expunged any time soon.

The basic problem with the Goldwater tale is that it focuses on ideology and movement building, which few voters have ever really cared about, while the McCarthy tale focuses on electoral strategy, which is where Republicans have excelled.

McCarthy, Wisconsin's junior senator, was the man who first energized conservatism and made it a force to reckon with. When he burst on the national scene in 1950 waving his list of alleged communists who had supposedly infiltrated Harry Truman's State Department, conservatism was as bland, temperate and feckless as its primary congressional proponent, Ohio Sen. Robert Taft, known fondly as "Mister Conservative." Taft was no flamethrower. Though he was an isolationist and a vehement opponent of FDR, he supported America's involvement in the war after Pearl Harbor and had even grudgingly come to accept the basic institutions of the New Deal. He was also no winner. He had contested and lost the Republican presidential nomination to Wendell Willkie in 1940, Thomas Dewey in 1948 and Dwight Eisenhower in 1952, three men who were regarded as much more moderate than he.

McCarthy was another thing entirely. What he lacked in ideology -- and he was no ideologue at all -- he made up for in aggression. Establishment Republicans, even conservatives, were disdainful of his tactics, but when those same conservatives saw the support he elicited from the grass-roots and the press attention he got, many of them were impressed. Taft, no slouch himself when it came to Red-baiting, decided to encourage McCarthy, secretly, sealing a Faustian bargain that would change conservatism and the Republican Party. Henceforth, conservatism would be as much about electoral slash-and-burn as it would be about a policy agenda.

For the polite conservatives, McCarthy was useful. That's because he wasn't only attacking alleged communists and the Democrats whom he accused of shielding them. He was also attacking the entire centrist American establishment, the Eastern intellectuals and the power class, many of whom were Republicans themselves, albeit moderate ones. When he began his investigation of the Army, he even set himself against his own Republican president, who had once commanded that service. In the end, he was censured in 1954, not for his recklessness about alleged communists but for his recklessness toward his fellow senators. Moderate Republicans, not Democrats, led the fight against him. His intemperance disgusted them as much as it emboldened his fans, Goldwater among them.

But if McCarthy had been vanquished -- he died three years later of cirrhosis from drinking -- McCarthyism was only just beginning. McCarthyism is usually considered a virulent form of Red-baiting and character assassination. But it is much more than that. As historian Richard Hofstadter described it in his famous essay, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics," McCarthyism is a way to build support by playing on the anxieties of Americans, actively convincing them of danger and conspiracy even where these don't exist.

McCarthy, a Catholic, was especially adept at nursing national resentments among the sorts of people that typically did not vote Republican. He stumbled onto the fact that many of these people in postwar America were frightened and looking for scapegoats. He provided them, and in doing so not only won millions of adherents but also bequeathed to his party a powerful electoral bludgeon that would eventually drive out the moderates from the GOP (posthumous payback) before it drove the Democrats from the White House.

In a way, Goldwater was less a fulfillment of McCarthy conservatism than a slight diversion from it. Goldwater was ideological -- an economic individualist. He hated government more than he loved winning, and though he was certainly not above using the McCarthy appeal to resentment or accusing his opponents of socialism, he lacked McCarthy's blood- lust. McCarthy's real heir was Nixon, who mainstreamed McCarthyism in 1968 by substituting liberals, youth and minorities for communists and intellectuals, and fueling resentments as McCarthy had. In his 1972 reelection, playing relentlessly on those resentments, Nixon effectively disassembled the old Roosevelt coalition, peeling off Catholics, evangelicals and working-class Democrats, and changed American politics far more than Goldwater ever would.

Today, these former liberals are known as Reagan Democrats, but they were Nixon voters before they were Reagan voters, and they were McCarthy supporters before they were either. A good deal of McCarthy's support came from Catholics and evangelical Protestants who, along with Southerners, would form the basis of the new conservative coalition. Nixon simply mastered what McCarthy had authored. You demonize the opposition and polarize the electorate to win.

Reagan's sunny disposition and his willingness to compromise masked the McCarthyite elements of his appeal, but Reaganism as an electoral device was unique to Reagan and essentially died with the end of his presidency. McCarthyism, on the other hand, which could be deployed by anyone, thrived. McCarthyism was how Republicans won. George H.W. Bush used it to get himself elected, terrifying voters with Willie Horton. And his son, under the tutelage of strategist Karl Rove, not only got himself reelected by convincing voters that John Kerry was a coward and a liar and would hand the nation over to terrorists, which was pure McCarthyism, he governed by rousing McCarthyite resentments among his base.

Republicans continue to push the idea that this is a center-right country and that Americans have swooned for GOP anti-government posturing all these years, but the real electoral bait has been anger, recrimination and scapegoating. That's why John McCain kept describing Barack Obama as some sort of alien and why Palin, taking a page right out of the McCarthy playbook, kept pushing Obama's relationship with onetime radical William Ayers.

And that is also why the Republican Party, despite the recent failure of McCarthyism, is likely to keep moving rightward, appeasing its more extreme elements and stoking their grievances for some time to come. There may be assorted intellectuals and ideologues in the party, maybe even a few centrists, but there is no longer an intellectual or even ideological wing. The party belongs to McCarthy and his heirs -- Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and Palin. It's in the genes.

Neal Gabler is the author of many books, including, most recently, "Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination."
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where do you find that drivel?
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Mikey wrote:...McCarthy and his heirs -- Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and Palin.
They are not the heirs to McCarthy.

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