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I'm aware of factcheck, RF.

I'm also aware that Obama has not produced a birth certificate.

poptart wrote:I'm aware of factcheck, RF.

I'm also aware that Obama has not produced a birth certificate.

Exactly, he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to get the case thrown out of court whan all he had to do is walk in the court with an original Bcert, which he can't do. The one posted on the internet is considered to be a forgery due to the conflicting boarder that doesn't match the 1961 standard.

Is snoops the final say in everything? no

poptart wrote:You, on the other hand (and many millions of others) know full well that B.O. is a despicable piece of shit who's platform is everything that America DOESN'T need.

I totally and unequivocally disagree with that statement. You couldn't be more wrong had you jammed a gigantic piece of wrong straight up your ass and back out though your mouth and onto your keyboard.

Jerkovich wrote:

poptart wrote:I'm aware of factcheck, RF.

I'm also aware that Obama has not produced a birth certificate.

Exactly, he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to get the case thrown out of court whan all he had to do is walk in the court with an original Bcert, which he can't do. The one posted on the internet is considered to be a forgery due to the conflicting boarder that doesn't match the 1961 standard.

Is snoops the final say in everything? no

I don’t know about Hawaii. I was born in Ohio. When I found myself needing a birth certificate for my passport and unable to locate the original, I contacted the county clerk where I was born and requested a copy.

Does it exactly resemble the original? I doubt it; it was probably printed on their current paper stock. Is that what happened with Obama’s? Could be, I have no idea. But continue chasing your tails, right-wing fucking whack-jobs.

mvscal wrote: What's up with the meltdown? It is a simple question and an even simpler task. All he has to do is prove that he is Constitutionally eligible for the office of president and this all goes away.

You're better than this.

For all the reasons to bury that piece of crap, you take the AM radio, "blue dress" route. It proves that you don't care about driving a stake into the heart of liberalism, you only want to light a bag of shit on it's doorstep, ring the doorbell, then run away.

Remember that scene in Quadrophenia when Jimmy finds out Ace is really a bellboy?
Yeah, this is my "bellboy" moment with you, you status quo hack.

Martyred wrote:Remember that scene in Quadrophenia when Jimmy finds out Ace is really a bellboy?
Yeah, this is my "bellboy" moment with you, you status quo hack.

Jimmy was a fucking dipshit for worshiping Ace.

Now what does this make you?

BSmack wrote:

Martyred wrote:Remember that scene in Quadrophenia when Jimmy finds out Ace is really a bellboy?
Yeah, this is my "bellboy" moment with you, you status quo hack.

Jimmy was a fucking dipshit for worshiping Ace.

Now what does this make you?

A million times more credible than you.

I can't wait to stick it in your eye when Obama incinerates the next Central Asian village. Looking forward to your excuse, douche-nozzle.

Marty,

There is no excuse. War and politics are a dirty business. I don't expect Obama to be perfect. I merely rejoice in the fact that the man running the show after 1-20-09 will not be a blithering fuckwad.

BSmack wrote:Marty,

There is no excuse. War and politics are a dirty business. I don't expect Obama to be perfect. I merely rejoice in the fact that the man running the show after 1-20-09 will not be a blithering fuckwad.

You and every other Democrat are a fucking joke. You are worse than Republicans.

Hypocrites and liars.

Martyred wrote:

BSmack wrote:Marty,

There is no excuse. War and politics are a dirty business. I don't expect Obama to be perfect. I merely rejoice in the fact that the man running the show after 1-20-09 will not be a blithering fuckwad.

You and every other Democrat are a fucking joke. You are worse than Republicans.

Hypocrites and liars.

I agree with you on this. At least they’re not AP Canadiens.

Jerkovich wrote:Is snoops the final say in everything? no

Good point.

Niether is Alex Jones nor Richard C. Hoagland.

Hey, they could be right, you never know.

from what i have heard, the Court's "standing" doctrine (set by a previous corrupt Supreme Court) will require that these lawsuits be dismissed.

Apparently, even though the Constitution clearly states that a requirement for the office of president is being a natural born citizen, NOBODY, repeat, NOBODY has any legal standing whatsoever to enforce it- unless, of course, a majority of the court decides that the established precedent is bullshit.

Any bets on that happening?

RadioFan wrote: Niether is Alex Jones

The Supreme Court will look into it.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6145787.html

CHICAGO — The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's election.

Among those filing lawsuits is Alan Keyes, who lost to Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race.

Yeah, I'm sure his testimony will help in the credibility department, right mvs?

This thread gets more amusing by the post.

Hey, there's always the fact that Obama is really going to swear on the Koran, when he takes the oath of office.


Seriously. You people need to go outside for a few minutes, and breathe.

Check for black helicopters, bros. Quick!

Hey, the helicopters are out there, and they ARE invisible and TOTALLY silent.

What's your problem ?

Tom In VA wrote:What's your problem ?

Check your own link, bro.

Let me know how the SC "looking into it" works out.

Seriously, Tom, can't believe you're actually taken in by this horseshit.

RadioFan wrote: Seriously, Tom, can't believe you're actually taken in by this horseshit.

Are you new here?

mvscal wrote:He seems kind of nervous to me. Maybe some kind of herbal tea would help still his quivering labia.

Have you got that backyard bunker built yet?

Chop. Chop.



Btw, I'm going to attend the "National" gun and rifle show this weekend in Tulsa, just so I can buy up more guns that Obama is going to take away from me. I've already got handguns hidden in every mattress, and in the walls here, bro.

How 'bout you?

RadioFan wrote:

Among those filing lawsuits is Alan Keyes, who lost to Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race.

Yeah, I'm sure his testimony will help in the credibility department, right mvs?

This thread gets more amusing by the post.

Hey, there's always the fact that Obama is really going to swear on the Koran, when he takes the oath of office.


Seriously. You people need to go outside for a few minutes, and breathe.

Check for black helicopters, bros. Quick!

Hey, the helicopters are out there, and they ARE invisible and TOTALLY silent.

Barack is an ancient Hebrew name.

Maybe he'll swear on the Torah.

Mikey wrote: Barack is an ancient Hebrew name.

I knew there was something about him I couldn't trust...

Mikey wrote:Maybe he'll swear on the Torah.

Don't all incoming presidents?

RadioFan wrote:
Check for black helicopters, bros. Quick!

Hey, the helicopters are out there, and they ARE invisible and TOTALLY silent.

all the good ones are down for maintenance- way too many hours in the desert

this is all they've got left in flying condition

RadioFan wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:What's your problem ?

Check your own link, bro.

Let me know how the SC "looking into it" works out.

Seriously, Tom, can't believe you're actually taken in by this horseshit.

Apparently you don't read much. "Taken in by this horseshit" ? What horseshit ? I'm not sitting here hoping that Obama will be proven to NOT be a U.S. Citizen. I'm fucking following current events and wondering, if there is any truth to any of this stuff. It's as I stated in the beginning of this thread. I posted a link appropo to the discussion because while you melt away and condescend to people who pay attention to the world around them, the Supreme Court at least sees a need to look into ... looking into it. The beauty of the American justice system is that when average citizens with capital behind them believe they have a case, there is a court system providing recourse to them. Citizens of this country believe the Rule of Law has been compromised, they're making a case. You don't mind it when it's Roe v Wade, or when circuit courts remove the Ten Commandments from places, or any other issue YOU happen to hold dear. What about your fellow citizens who value Rule of Law ... i.e. The Constitution ?

Oh, I get it, the courts are only for you. Got it.

Tom, if you "paid attention to the world around you", you'd realize that this shit is what they call the "lunatic fringe".


But...keep on poundin' it if that's what floats your boat. This kind of shit is what makes America great.

That and Balck Friday.

Mikey wrote:Tom, if you "paid attention to the world around you", you'd realize that this shit is what they call the "lunatic fringe".


But...keep on poundin' it if that's what floats your boat. This kind of shit is what makes America great.

That and Balck Friday.

Pounding ? And what's wrong with keeping your eye on the "lunatic fringe", frankly I like to keep them especially in plain sight, it wasn't that long ago a "lunatic fringe" took power in Germany. And quite frankly judging by the company Obama kept - The Rev Wright, Farakhan, Ayers, etc.. etc.. it seems he has a healthy respect and almost admiration for "lunatic fringes".

Once again, what is so wrong about American citizens using the recourse our system of government provides them when they feel as if an infraction of the law occurs ?

Can you answer that please ?

Nothing wrong with it. Like I said, it's what keeps America great.

It's just that the fact that you take it seriously makes you appear to be a certified moron.
Not saying that you actually are, but the impression is there.
If that's the path you want to follow, then more power to you.

¡Viva América!

Mikey, personally, I'm more interesting in the protestations of Radio Fan and you. Obama, citizen or not, the dude is going to get over. I knew he was going to get over, the media helped him get over, and of course ... he got over. I don't see that trend stopping for quite some time. He's got that French word for "a certain something" and makes teflon look like velcro.

But what I find curious is this "change the subject and attack" tactic used here. If people who have the resources and the money to investigate, find evidence they believe makes for a compelling case, and are able to bring it to the court ... more power to them. Once again, while you consider it lunatic fringe, the Supreme Court disagrees. And they at least think it's important enough to put the matter to rest, either by hearing the case or by simply saying they won't hear the case. They've acknowledged it at some level.

Now, if the Constitution has been violated, it would be nice to see it defended and protected.

Afterall, whether the oath of office is administered upon a Bible, Torah, Koran, or Dr. Suess book ... these guys are supposedly taking an oath "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

We're not talking Republican vs. Democrat - the first dude to bring this crap up was a Democrat (Berg). We're not talking liberal or conservative. We're talking about the fact we are a country governed by RULE OF LAW. A country that purportedly allows citizens to seek redress when that rule of law is threatened.

That's the issue as I see it. There's nobody here waiting with bated breath trying to get Obama because he won - at least not in my house.

Tom In VA wrote:Apparently you don't read much.

Sigworthy.

Tom In VA wrote:"Taken in by this horseshit" ?

yep, hook, line ... not sinker yet, but we'll see.

Tom In VA wrote:What horseshit ? I'm not sitting here hoping that Obama will be proven to NOT be a U.S. Citizen. I'm fucking following current events and wondering, if there is any truth to any of this stuff. It's as I stated in the beginning of this thread. I posted a link appropo to the discussion because while you melt away and condescend to people who pay attention to the world around them, the Supreme Court at least sees a need to look into ... looking into it.

Great.

Coast to Coast AM also "looks into" things, Tom.

Tom In VA wrote:Oh, I get it, the courts are only for you. Got it.

For "me?"

Bwah! Good one, bro.

Sin,

The California "justice" system.

Better check on those helicopters, Tom.

Coast to Coast is actually a very interesting program. Pretty killer bumper music too.

And dude, I live 40 miles outside D.C., and work about 15 miles away from it, there's always fucking helicopters flying around. The last time one crashed was in the late 70's early 80's.

Oh and this morning I found out, I was wrong, even if the court refuses to hear this Donofrio case ... it ain't over. There's more from Berg.

So sit back and enjoy the show. I'll cue up some bumper music.

All our times have come
Here but now they're gone
Seasons don't fear the reaper
Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain..we can be like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper
Baby I'm your man...

Valentine is done
Here but now they're gone
Romeo and Juliet
Are together in eternity...Romeo and Juliet
40,000 men and women everyday...Like Romeo and Juliet
40,000 men and women everyday...Redefine happiness
Another 40,000 coming everyday...We can be like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper
Baby I'm your man...

Love of two is one
Here but now they're gone
Came the last night of sadness
And it was clear she couldn't go on
Then the door was open and the wind appeared
The candles blew then disappeared
The curtains flew then he appeared...saying don't be afraid
Come on baby...and she had no fear
And she ran to him...then they started to fly
They looked backward and said goodby...she had become like they are
She had taken his hand...she had become like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper

mvscal wrote:Taking the Constitution seriously makes you a moron? Honestly, you don't really know jack fucking shit about Onogger or his citizenship. McCain had contend with it and you didn't hear his partisans whining and carrying on about it. Now Onogger will have to answer the same questions.

Deal with it, you whimpering faggots.

McCain never had a serious challenge to his native born citizenship and neither has Obama. But hey, by all means feel free to embarass yourself even further by giving these tards even a moment's credence.

Depends on how you define "serious". In Feb '08, mostly Ron Paul backers, and "true conservatives" were pretty loud in questioning McCain's elgibility.

As for Obama's case, well that all remains to be seen. The fact is, he and his cadre, have been less than forthcoming in providing the appropriate documentation. The wrinkle in this case being looked at today is that Donofrio's case contend that even if he does have a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, his citizenship was questionable.

This isn't over by a long shot. Even if the Supreme Court does not hear this case, there are others pending. As to the "creedence" given to it, what's wrong with listening to the cases being made and observing the actions or inactions of the court system.

Absolutely nothing. I am just as intrigued by this case as I am by the cases certain folks are trying to muster up against W. It's our system at work, it's interesting.

BDumbfuck wrote:
McCain never had a serious challenge to his native born citizenship.

There was nothing to challenge you fucking retard.

BOTH of McDole's parents were american citizens, AND the Canal Zone was a US possession (thus making it part of the US for citizenship purposes) until it was given away by Jimmy Cocksucking Carter.

I think that's BSmack's point. McCain's parents were both citizens and in the area for official government business so it was nonsense to question McCain's citizenship.

Same with Obama. His mother was American, his Father a Kenyan (British citizen at the time) and Obama was born ... somewhere ... purportedly Hawaii.

As proof we have a document that some say does not suffice and is potentially a fraud. Aside from that the biggest proof that he's a U.S. citizen is that legions of people and the media simply just ignore it and suggest it doesn't matter whether he's a citizen or not ... he won. If you suggest otherwise you're a wingnut so just shut up or we will out you and investigate whether or not you're practicing your craft without a license and if you owe any back taxes, child support or have any overdue library books.

to be a natural born citizen, Tom, one must either be born in US territory, or BOTH parents must be US citizens. McDole had it covered on both counts.

Since only one of Obama's parents was a US citizen, he MUST have been born on US territory to be eligible for the office of president. Precedent, however, says (up to now, anyway) that nobody has- or can have- legal standing to require that the constitution be enforced through the courts

Oh-oh, looks like they found Obama’s real birth certificate:

Oops, here’s another one.

A judical opinion regarding McCain's citizenship does not translate to a serious challenge any more than that idiot prosecutor in Texas indicting Dick Cheney represented a serious challenge to Dick Cheney's liberty.

Yeah but don't you see a difference between the way McCain dealt with questions regarding his elgibility vs. the way Obama has addressed questions regarding his ?

You know who the winner here is, right?

Me.

Please never stop fighting about this shit. Ever.

Looks like Donofrio wasted his time.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_ ... otus_obama


Not even a comment by the Supreme Court, just summarily refused to hear it, although a friend of mine that works for one of the justices mentioned FactCheck, Snopes, and some dude named RadioFan as being integral in the decision.

One more in the pipeline, Berg's case.

mvscal wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Looks like Donofrio wasted his time.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_ ... otus_obama

He had a nonsense argument, though.

Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth — his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject — he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen,"

Likely a DemocRat plant to discredit all the rest of the lawsuits

If Onogga was indeed born in the USA, he's a natural born citizen and it doesn't fucking matter what nationality his parents were.