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Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:51 pm
by Vito Corleone
SunCoastSooner wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:BTW I'm not sure when Texas fully integrated but we had African American players on our 69 championship team, so kiss my ass.
BULLSHIT!!! Texas first black football player on the varsity team was Julius Whittier in 1970!!! Fucking myopic, burnt orange shade wearing, moron.

http://richardpennington.com/index.php? ... 8&Itemid=1

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content ... lrace.html

Go explore that Adrian Peterson crack ring some more and stop sticking your foot in you proverbial internet mouth.
GAME, SET MATCH you stupid moron. Julius Whittier was a member of the 69 team
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/23/sport ... ner/rssnyt

Changing the Face of Texas Football

By JOE DRAPE
Published: December 23, 2005

AUSTIN, Tex., Dec. 16 - It was Dec. 6, 1969, and Julius Whittier was stretched before a television in the lobby of the jocks' dorm, Jester Hall, when the euphoria of a heart-stopping victory lifted him, and most University of Texas students, outside onto Guadalupe Street. Texas had just beaten Arkansas, 15-14, in Fayetteville in what had been billed as the Game of the Century.

Under Coach Darrell Royal, the 1969 Texas Longhorns team that won the national championship was the last all-white team to do so.

President Richard M. Nixon appeared in the locker room to declare the undefeated Longhorns as national champions. Whittier was a member of the Texas football team, but as a freshman he was not eligible to play varsity at the time.

He was also the only black football player at Texas. As Whittier pinballed amid the revelers on the main drag here, he had an epiphany, one about the unifying elements within football that he would lean on for years.

"I had never experienced the exhilaration and joy of celebration where I was participating with what looked like millions of other kids my age," Whittier recalled recently at his law office in Dallas. "It did not matter that they were almost all white."

Neither Whittier nor anyone else knew that the time-capsule moment they were celebrating would become an inglorious milestone: the 1969 Longhorns were the last all-white team to win a national college football championship.

When Texas was co-national champion with Nebraska the next year, Whittier was a backup offensive lineman and the Longhorns' first black letterman. He acknowledged that he had endured indignities, but said his life experiences were expanded as much as those of his white teammates.

By playing at Texas, Whittier received advice from former President Lyndon B. Johnson over lunch at his ranch, and learned to love the music of Willie Nelson.

"I was a jock, plain and simple," he said. "I didn't care about civil rights or making a mark. I just wanted to play big-time football."

Whittier, however, is intensely interested in the Jan. 4 Rose Bowl, the national title matchup between defending champion Southern California and Texas. He is proud that about half of the players on the Longhorns' roster are black, including the star quarterback Vince Young.

"It completes the circle from a team that had no blacks to a truly diverse one, one with a black athlete in the ultimate leadership position - quarterback - of the university's most prized institution," Whittier said.

William Henry Lewis was the first black player in major college football at Amherst from 1889 to 1891, then at Harvard from 1892 to 1893, when he was a law student. At the time, both teams played schedules of national prominence, according to the College Football Hall of Fame in South Bend, Ind. Bill Willis, a tackle for the 1942 Ohio State Buckeyes, was the first black player on a national championship team.

In the South, however, all-white teams were the norm into the late 1960's as the region was slow to embrace civil rights, especially in something as cherished as college football. Jerry LeVias might have integrated the Southwest Conference in 1966 at Southern Methodist University, but on that December day in 1969 with Nixon in the stands, the top-ranked Longhorns were facing another all-white team in No. 2 Arkansas, a Southwest Conference rival.

"How's that song go?" said Darrell Royal, the Longhorns coach who won three national titles from 1957 to 1976. " 'Things they are a-changing. But they weren't changing that quickly around here at the time."

When Royal arrived here, he was 32 and fresh from head-coaching stints at the University of Washington and with the Edmonton Eskimos of the Canadian Football League. He had coached black players at both stops.

The University of Texas admitted black students in 1956, but did not lift its ban on their playing varsity sports until 1963. Even then, Royal acknowledged, there was tacit pressure from university regents for him not to rush to integrate the football team.

In 1967, Royal and his staff recruited a local star named Don Baylor, who was also a gifted baseball and basketball player. He grew up in west Austin, knowing that downtown there were separate water fountains for blacks and whites, had integrated his junior high school, and dreamed of breaking the color barrier at Texas.

Baylor wanted to play all three sports, something universities like Stanford, Oklahoma and Texas Western would allow. Royal wanted him to play only football. Baylor would not say that Royal and Texas made a halfhearted attempt to lure him, but he said they were relieved when the Baltimore Orioles drafted him.


"The Southwest Conference and U.T. was not ready to break the color barrier," said Baylor, who had a distinguished 19-year major league career and later managed the Colorado Rockies and the Chicago Cubs. "The Orioles took the pressure off Texas."

In the fall of 1968, Royal believed he had found the right young man to integrate his team in Julius Whittier. The previous season, a black student named E. A. Curry walked on and made the freshman team, but he struggled academically and quit. Royal's first black scholarship player in 1968, Leon O'Neal, stayed for only one year.

Billy Dale, who scored the winner against Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl on Jan. 1, 1970, said he lost his friends by rooming with Julius Whittier.

Royal believed Whittier had the will and the preparation to remain for four years. Whittier had been a star at an integrated high school in San Antonio. His father, Oncy, was a doctor. His mother, Loraine, was a schoolteacher and community activist who had led protests against a local grocery chain that prohibited black women from becoming cashiers.

Whittier said his uncle Edward Sprott was head of the N.A.A.C.P. in Beaumont, Tex., and had not been intimidated when his house was bombed. His older brother, also named Oncy, had his head cracked open by police officers for his involvement in a guerrilla theater troupe that performed pointed skits about prejudice in the streets of San Antonio, Whittier said.

Royal described Whittier as "smart and tough and a heck of a football player."

He added, "I knew he could play for us and handle any difficulties off the field."

Whittier said he turned two personal flaws into powerful tools of perseverance. He was not only confident to the point of cockiness, but also had a gift for oratory that continues to serve him well as a trial lawyer.

"I had a mouth that I ran a lot and coherently," he said. "It sounded like I knew what I was saying, and that protected me."

Whittier also struggled with attention deficit disorder.

"It kept me so wrapped up in the events of each moment, class, workout, dinner, study hall, practice, game, new friend I made, new football play I learned, and each paper I had to turn in," he said. "I had no real time or hard-drive space in my brain to step back and worry over how potentially ominous it was to become a black member of the University of Texas football team and all of the horrifying things that, from a historical perspective, could happen to black people who dare to accept a role in opening up historically white institutions."

Whittier recognized slights by teammates. He was never invited out drinking or to parties with his teammates. And though racial slurs were never directed at him, Whittier heard them when his fellow Longhorns forgot he was in the room.

Before Whittier's sophomore season, Royal had trouble finding him a roommate. He called in some of his seniors, explained the situation. One of them, running back Billy Dale, volunteered.

The year before, Dale scored the game-winning touchdown against Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl to keep alive Texas' winning streak, which eventually reached 30 games. He was also among the most popular players on the team - until then.

"I lost all my friends," said Dale, now a manufacturer's representative in Austin. "I chose to live with Julius because I believed it would add that much more dimension to me as a person."

One night as the two readied for bed, Whittier engaged Dale in an argument about mortality.

"Billy, I'm never going to die," Whittier told Dale, "and you are."

The longer the exchange went the more Dale became frustrated.

"I crossed the room and put a finger in Julius's eye and said, 'It's people like you who give your race a bad name,' " Dale recalled.

"You think, I'm serious, Billy?" Whittier responded with a smile. "I'm just trying to make you think."

They never exchanged cross words again.

It was Whittier's engaging personality that made him one of Royal's favorites and got him on Johnson's guest list. Johnson was crazy about Texas football and occasionally asked Royal to take players to his ranch. It was Johnson who suggested that Whittier continue his studies at the university's new school of public affairs. He earned a master's degree there, before he became a lawyer.

Whittier's success on and off the field - he was a three-year letterman and a starter his junior and senior year - paid immediate dividends for Texas. Roosevelt Leaks came here in 1971 and Earl Campbell in 1974, and they became all-American running backs. Soon, one of the set pieces for prospective players was Johnson's landing by helicopter on the lawn of his presidential library on campus to tell them why they should play for Texas.

Thirty-six years after Whittier watched his white teammates defeat Arkansas, much has changed in the Texas football program. Jester Hall remains, though it is no longer strictly an athletic dorm. Royal, now 81, remains a campus fixture, though one who concedes he could have been more aggressive in integrating his team earlier.

And Dale remains active in the Longhorns letterman association.

"All those people I had lost as friends by rooming with Julius are friends again," he said. "We've all grown."

Whittier, too, remains in touch with Royal. He now has a far easier relationship with his former teammates than he had when he was a college student.

"When I see guys from my era, I feel a sense of comradeship," Whittier said. "I never was going to hold on to any of the bad stuff, and neither have they."

He will watch Vince Young and the No. 2 Longhorns try to upend the No. 1 Trojans from his couch at home in Dallas with the same anticipation and joy that he had as a pioneering Texas freshman. Whittier will root for another championship, another time-capsule moment, but one that will not be marred by a footnote about race. He is hoping his role in Texas football history is further diminished.

"You know that football is a religion in Texas," he said. "God and the university had the right people in the right places to handle my situation. It turned out to be a small event in the long and luminous life of a great and valuable institution."

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:01 pm
by King Crimson
Vito....and if for some reason you were gonna dispute this one, i thought every one knew. in the "evidence" category....

http://www.keyetv.com/content/news/topn ... i_Qyg.cspx

homeboy was "from" Texas. whatever UT did to boot him is not the issue...since your argument is about "boosters and parents" who aren't racists and not people who work at UT. seems like it's an issue.

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2008/1 ... updates-a/

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:03 pm
by Van
Vito, you do realize this...
Whittier was a member of the Texas football team, but as a freshman he was not eligible to play varsity at the time.

He was also the only black football player at Texas.
...proves SCS correct, not you, right?

You said Texas had black players on the '69 team that won the national championship. Not just one, but multiple players.

Your own link says the '69 team had none. If they (or merely he, in this instance) weren't on the varsity than they weren't on that team.

Otherwise, fuck, we'll all have to admit that m2 starred for all those national title Cal teams.

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:07 pm
by King Crimson
what Vito is trying argue is pointless. UT was all-white then.

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:17 pm
by SunCoastSooner
Van wrote:Vito, you do realize this...
Whittier was a member of the Texas football team, but as a freshman he was not eligible to play varsity at the time.

He was also the only black football player at Texas.
...proves SCS correct, not you, right?

You said Texas had black players on the '69 team that won the national championship. Not just one, but multiple players.

Your own link says the '69 team had none. If they (or merely he, in this instance) weren't on the varsity than they weren't on that team.

Otherwise, fuck, we'll all have to admit that m2 starred for all those national title Cal teams.

Even if you want to call it 1969 that's still 11 years behind Oklahoma State who was the last of the old Big 8 schools to integrate in 1958 and two generations behind Iowa State the first. Hell by 1970 Oklahoma had already not only had a black player go on to a successful career as an NFL player but also earned a degree, a masters, and a Ph. D and was a coach at Missouri.

He didn't play a game until 1970... congrats on beating a few SEC schools out on not being the last D1 school to have a black player :lol: :logan:

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:23 pm
by Vito Corleone
King Crimson wrote:Vito....and if for some reason you were gonna dispute this one, i thought every one knew. in the "evidence" category....

http://www.keyetv.com/content/news/topn ... i_Qyg.cspx

homeboy was "from" Texas. whatever UT did to boot him is not the issue...since your argument is about "boosters and parents" who aren't racists and not people who work at UT. seems like it's an issue.

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2008/1 ... updates-a/
I knew you were going to try and change the subject again. Burnette received a racial joke and posted it on his facebook page, it does not make him a racist, he was dealt with as he was kicked off the team. he apologized for the joke and understood why he was kicked off. I hear worse stuff than than at work and that is coming from many races. There was no crudity or malice involved it was just stupid because as a football player at UT he is considered a public figure.

If you think Buck was a racist then you don't know jack about the Boz.
what Vito is trying argue is pointless. UT was all-white then.
No, as the article proves, UT had already integrated as far back as 1968. Whittier was ineligible because of freshmen rules, but he was still on the team and still got a ring for winning the 1969 national championship. It's the exact same as if he was a redshirt.
...proves SCS correct, not you, right?

You said Texas had black players on the '69 team that won the national championship. Not just one, but multiple players.

Your own link says the '69 team had none. If they (or merely he, in this instance) weren't on the varsity than they weren't on that team.

Otherwise, fuck, we'll all have to admit that m2 starred for all those national title Cal teams.
Actually Van, no it doesn't. You see joklahoma fans like to say that in the decade of the 60's Texas never had a black football players, but the truth is in 1956 Texas as a University integrated, and as of 1963 allowed anyone of any race to play varsity sport (that sounds weird to even type), and it did openly recruit black player. One being Don Baylor. But as a football team Texas had 3 black players on their team two didn't make it and one did, but all three at one time were on the team in the decade of the 60s.

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:46 pm
by Van
No, they weren't, Vito.

If they never were official members of the varsity squad then they were not a part of the actual team. A redshirt who misses the entire season was not a part of the team, which is why he redshirts. He's saving up a year of elegibility, for later, for when he might actually be on the team.

Put more simply, at no point before 1970 did any black player ever run out onto the field, in uniform, as part of the UT varsity football team.

Btw, if you now start talking about percentages of living black tissue inside the UT uniform I'm going to stab you in the face. (Inside joke.)

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:56 pm
by SunCoastSooner
Vito Corleone wrote:
King Crimson wrote:Actually Van, no it doesn't. You see joklahoma fans like to say that in the decade of the 60's Texas never had a black football players, but the truth is in 1956 Texas as a University integrated, and as of 1963 allowed anyone of any race to play varsity sport (that sounds weird to even type), and it did openly recruit black player. One being Don Baylor. But as a football team Texas had 3 black players on their team two didn't make it and one did, but all three at one time were on the team in the decade of the 60s.
Junior vasity isn't being "on the team". It's JV... maybe that's all you ever played so you'd like to think it is being on the team but I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

None of those players played a varsity game until 1970. That isn't the decade of the 60s... Oklahoma had been integrated since WWII academically so congrats on catching up in 1956. Hell Oklahoma was not only integrated but nearly half of our players were black at the point the first black athlete set foot on the field for Texass in Varsity football game. Spin it however you like but those are the facts.

Hell as early as 1944 Oklahoma had two seperate law schools, one specifically for black students to ensure their opportunity for advancement in the legal field. In 1950 it was ruled unconstituitonal and the Law school immediately fully integrated... that would be six years before a black student could even seek an undergrad degree at Texass.

Once again congrats on beating out a couple of SEC schools in getting a black player on the field...

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:19 pm
by Blueblood
Van wrote: Otherwise, fuck, we'll all have to admit that m2 starred for all those national title Cal teams.

I blueshirted in 1920, but was an integral part of the next three.


All they gave out back then were t-shirts.




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Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:23 pm
by Vito Corleone
Again, yes, they are apart of the team, If Whittier wasn't on the team then why did he and the other freshmen receive rings and partied with the president when they were declared the Champions after the Cotton Bowl?

FACT: HE WAS A SCHOLARSHIP ATHLETE AT TEXAS IN 1969
FACT: HIS SCHOLARSHIP WAS TO PLAY FOOTBALL
FACT: HE PRACTICED WITH THE TEAM, SLEPT IN THE DORMS WITH THE TEAM, AND ATE MEALS WITH THE TEAM

Whittier was not the first African American to be part of this team, he was the first to be eligible to play because of the freshmen ineligibility rule.

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:10 pm
by Van
Vito, Chick Hearn used to get a ring and he partied with Dr Buss and doubtless the Laker Sluts too whenever the Lakers won a title.

Newsflash...

Chick Hearn was never a Laker!!

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:58 am
by Vito Corleone
Van wrote:Vito, Chick Hearn used to get a ring and he partied with Dr Buss and doubtless the Laker Sluts too whenever the Lakers won a title.

Newsflash...

Chick Hearn was never a Laker!!
apples and oranges

The Lakers have a 15 man roster with 12 being on the active roster and 3 on the inactive roster. All 15 are lakers

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:06 am
by Van
Yeah, and if a guy redshirts before the season begins and he never does join the team that season then he was never part of the active roster.

So, he was never on the team that season. Doesn't mean he can't still get the trinkets and the parties, same as the announcers.

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:33 pm
by SunCoastSooner
Spin Vito, Spin!

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:28 am
by Vito Corleone
SunCoastSooner wrote:Spin Vito, Spin!
So I guess because Robert Joseph and Andre Jones were both redshirts when they robbed that person they weren't on the team and can't be considered Longhorns?
You are as predictable as the tide. Who is spinning now moron?

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:42 am
by SunCoastSooner
Vito Corleone wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:Spin Vito, Spin!
So I guess because Robert Joseph and Andre Jones were both redshirts when they robbed that person they weren't on the team and can't be considered Longhorns?
You are as predictable as the tide. Who is spinning now moron?

You're trying to compare the current age of college football to the 1960 and early 70s? :meds:

When's the last time OU or Texas had a JV football team? When exactly did the NCAA implement the 85 scholarship rule? When did Texas integrate? When did the first black player actually set foot on the field for the University of Texass in a game that was RECORDED and MATTERED?... 12 years after the last of the Big 8 schools did so and the last of the SWC schools to do so!!! Congrats :logan:

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:33 pm
by King Crimson

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:58 pm
by SunCoastSooner
Don Vito has been like a pinata at a 13 old's Birthday in this thread... guess Mtool and toeJam might have a real third party contender early in board bitch award race of 2009.

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:13 am
by Vito Corleone
SunCoastSooner wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:Spin Vito, Spin!
So I guess because Robert Joseph and Andre Jones were both redshirts when they robbed that person they weren't on the team and can't be considered Longhorns?
You are as predictable as the tide. Who is spinning now moron?

You're trying to compare the current age of college football to the 1960 and early 70s? :meds:

When's the last time OU or Texas had a JV football team? When exactly did the NCAA implement the 85 scholarship rule? When did Texas integrate? When did the first black player actually set foot on the field for the University of Texass in a game that was RECORDED and MATTERED?... 12 years after the last of the Big 8 schools did so and the last of the SWC schools to do so!!! Congrats :logan:
spin spin spin

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:05 pm
by SunCoastSooner
Vito Corleone wrote:[
spin spin spin
Spin is what you're doing! First you wanted a picture of the '69 team... it's been provided. I don't see any brothers in that picture.

The fact you're arguing over the difference of one year is even more asinine! Regardless of it being 1969 or 1970 it's still well over a decade behind any school in the conference north of the Red River. Once again congrats on being the great white hold out outside the SEC. :logan:

Re: NY Times article about the recruiting of Jamarkus Mcfarland

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:25 pm
by indyfrisco
SunCoastSooner wrote:Spin is what you're doing! First you wanted a picture of the '69 team... it's been provided. I don't see any brothers in that picture.
They're there. It's just a B&W photo and they didn't hear the photographer yell "Say Cheese!"