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War Wagon wrote:

mvscal wrote: And look what happened to them when they couldn't or didn't enforce their "immigration laws"

So, you're suggesting that Hispanics are going to do the same thing to America that the Europeans did?

War Wagon wrote:

Van wrote:The locals at the time didn't have a series of immigration laws which the Pilgrims were breaking by being there.

Of course they did.

Q, West Coast Style wrote:
A simple question regarding the people who would be negatively impacted by the above. Where would they go and what would they do? Desperate people do desperate things. If you think most of them are going to go "ah shucks, I better work harder and/or go back to Mexico" you are naive. Who is going to make sure these people don't commit more crimes and/or fuck up the environment with make-shift slums like in India or Brazil?

mvscal wrote:

War Wagon wrote:

Van wrote:The locals at the time didn't have a series of immigration laws which the Pilgrims were breaking by being there.

Of course they did.

And look what happened to them when they couldn't or didn't enforce their "immigration laws"

Van wrote:Bsmack, go visit an L.A. high school infested with the children of illegals sometime. Enjoy a glimpse of your country's future.

Martyred wrote: Same thing was said about the Irish over a century ago.

mvscal wrote:The Irish didn't have a taxpayer subsidized social safety net, did they?

Shut the fuck up, idiot.

mvscal wrote: The Irish didn't have a taxpayer subsidized social safety net, did they?

Shut the fuck up, idiot.

mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.

Break it down, fuckwads.

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote: The Irish didn't have a taxpayer subsidized social safety net, did they?

Shut the fuck up, idiot.

What the Church didn't dole out to them, they stole.

Apple carts with "spinners" and guys named Seamus with strong "pimp hands" out front should have told you that.

Yes, I understand that 95% of all Irish were (and are) n...iggers. Is that supposed to be a selling point?

mvscal wrote: Now dead in the water, business leaving in droves, revenue plummeting, unemployment skyrocketing.

Yep, we could really use a couple million more ignorant pepper bellies to hang out in front Home Depots and rape passing school kids.

Martyred wrote:
"Yo, I be poppin' a cap in white-boy's ass...yessum..."


"Looka-here, cracka mutha-fucka...hand over the scrilla, bee-otch."

Cuda wrote:He's South-American Irish

mvscal wrote:

Cuda wrote:

mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.

Break it down, fuckwads.

They help keep wages (and inflation) artficially low, thus enabling politicians & bureaucrats to take shitloads more money out of the private sector and buy votes while blaming the eventual shitpile on somebody else.

Works pretty damn well for them

We call it California. Formerly one of the economic engines of the United States. Now dead in the water, business leaving in droves, revenue plummeting, unemployment skyrocketing.

Yep, we could really use a couple million more ignorant pepper bellies to hang out in front Home Depots and rape passing school kids.

California's green meanies
By putting up barriers to new development in the state, environmentalists push homes to areas that are far less environmentally friendly.
By Edward L. Glaeser

March 4, 2009

California environmentalists are tireless in their efforts to stop new development. But for the good of the planet, maybe they should lighten up. Indeed, the best thing that environmentalists can do to fight global warming is to encourage new construction in the state, especially in the areas with the most temperate climates.

California's metropolitan areas are, by far, the greenest in the country. Matthew Kahn, an environmental economist at UCLA, and I have estimated the carbon emissions associated with a new household in different parts of the country. Our estimates hold constant family size and income, and include driving emissions, public transport, home heating and electricity. We've found that the four greenest metropolitan areas in the United States are San Francisco, San Jose, San Diego and Los Angeles.

Why is California so green? The use of clean energy and efficient appliances deserves some credit, but the biggest factor is climate.

The state's weather is just better than that of the rest of the United States. As I write these words, my New England home is emitting an awful lot of carbon just to get itself to 60 degrees. An average Boston home emits more than twice as much carbon, because of home heating, as a home in San Jose.

Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees, but since the last census, that area's population has increased by more than 900,000, which is greater than the growth of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and San Jose put together. Our estimate is that a typical Houston household uses almost four times more electricity than a comparable household in San Francisco.

Much of America struggles with cold winters and hot summers. Making such difficult climates comfortable for humans requires a lot of energy. By contrast, much of coastal California is pretty pleasant year-round, requiring far less energy. The natural implication is that to reduce carbon emissions, more Americans should live in temperate California.

But just as global warming has strengthened the case for California's expansion, the state's rate of growth is faltering. After sustaining a double-digit growth rate for much of the mid-20th century, California's population grew just 7.9% from 2000 through 2007, only slightly more than the growth rate of the country as a whole.

The reduction in California's growth rate does not reflect economic decline -- the state still has enormous wealth. It does not reflect a lack of demand for California's amenities. Even after the housing bust, the state's home prices remain among the highest in the world. And although California is a populous state, it still has plenty of land. Santa Clara County, the home of Silicon Valley, only has about 2.2 people per acre. Even in denser places, such as Los Angeles, there is plenty of room to build.

California's growth has slowed because the state has made it increasingly difficult to build new homes. There is an almost perfect correlation between the growth of an area and the amount of housing that is permitted in that area. California has some of the toughest land-use regulations in the country, which are often justified as environmental measures. When high housing demand is met with restrictions -- not construction -- California homes become unaffordable and new construction goes somewhere else.

Local anti-growth activists don't have the ability to stop new construction in the U.S. as a whole. After all, households continue to form, and they need to go somewhere. When California won't build, people go to less-restrictive places, such as Atlanta, Houston or Phoenix, which happily erect new housing. The pro-development policies in these places promote affordability, but they do so at an environmental cost. Carbon emissions are much higher in these growing areas than they are in California.

The environmental opponents of California growth may sometimes accept that by pushing development from Los Angeles to Texas, their anti-growth policies increase carbon emissions. They then emphasize that California's water crisis makes further expansion impossible. But today, the overwhelming majority of water in California is directed to farms, not people. Using 10% of the state's agricultural water for new households could address the water needs of a massive increase in state population. California's water shortage is real, but it calls for more efficiency, conservation and new technologies, not wholesale growth restrictions that increase carbon emissions.

The state took an important step by instituting environmental impact reviews for new development 35 years ago. But such reviews only make sense if they are complete. A full review also would ask about the effects on the environment if a development is pushed somewhere else, like the desert outside Las Vegas. More complete environmental reviews, showing the costs of both building and not building, would reveal the full environmental benefits of building in L.A.

Stopping new development may seem green, but it isn't. When new homes aren't built in California, they are built in other places that are far less environmentally friendly. The best way for Californians to save the planet is to tear down the barriers that stop new development and encourage more people to live in a state where nature, not artificial energy, makes living pleasant year-round.

Edward L. Glaeser is the Glimp professor of economics and director of the Taubman Center for State and Local Government at Harvard University.

Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees, but since the last census, that area's population has increased by more than 900,000, which is greater than the growth of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and San Jose put together. Our estimate is that a typical Houston household uses almost four times more electricity than a comparable household in San Francisco.

Left Seater wrote:Why not leave the A/C running all day so that when I get home it is a nice 72 in the house?

Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees

mvscal wrote: Yeah, why didn't we think of that? What ever would we do without "helpful" advice from Ivory Tower bubble world shitstains on the east coast?

Left Seater wrote:

Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees, but since the last census, that area's population has increased by more than 900,000, which is greater than the growth of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and San Jose put together. Our estimate is that a typical Houston household uses almost four times more electricity than a comparable household in San Francisco.

I would bet that most of that growth has come from Cali.

I don't doubt that we use much more energy, but I also don't doubt that we pay the same overall bill for our useage. Here in Texas we have our own grid and we sell our extra capacity to Cali. You pay $100 for X Kw hours. We pay $100 for 4X Kw hours. So sure we use more. Why not leave the A/C running all day so that when I get home it is a nice 72 in the house?

mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.

Mikey wrote:

Left Seater wrote:

Humid Houston leads the country in days when the temperature rises above 90 degrees, but since the last census, that area's population has increased by more than 900,000, which is greater than the growth of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and San Jose put together. Our estimate is that a typical Houston household uses almost four times more electricity than a comparable household in San Francisco.

I would bet that most of that growth has come from Cali.

I don't doubt that we use much more energy, but I also don't doubt that we pay the same overall bill for our useage. Here in Texas we have our own grid and we sell our extra capacity to Cali. You pay $100 for X Kw hours. We pay $100 for 4X Kw hours. So sure we use more. Why not leave the A/C running all day so that when I get home it is a nice 72 in the house?

Not to be argumentative or anything but...

Average Retail Price of Electricity to Ultimate Customers (cents per kWh, November '08)

Residential -

Texas: 13.23
California: 14.76 (not quite 4x the Texas price)
Connecticut: 19.81
Hawaii: 33.41
West Virginia (low): 7.26

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricit ... 5_6_a.html

mvscal wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.

Well, you wouldn't be here if they didn't.

Guess again, dickdribble. You are even more incoherent than usual.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Wait a minute, you said good idea, didn't you? My bad.

smackaholic wrote:prolly the jews.

mvscal wrote:Still waiting for one of you cock sucking dipshits to make an intelligent argument for why it is a good idea to allow millions of unskilled, uneducated, filthy, disease infested assholes just stroll across the border and help themselves to our jobs and our tax dollars.

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