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Left Seater wrote:Tom you are the one that should be thanked for your honesty.

You are correct that most are never held accountable. Many complain about their community service and the hardships of getting insurance etc. Emotion was brought up earlier and your comments back it up. I think it is only by people seeing the emotional side of it will things ever change.

Sadly even when there is an opportunity to learn most will just clown around with it. Look no further than the wrecked cars put on display at College and HS campuses. 100 times a day there will be someone posing like they were seriously injured in the accident car, while someone else takes their picture. Meanwhile they totally miss the message.

Shocking that teenagers would do such a thing. Shocking I say.

sin

Claude Rains

mvscal wrote:
Punishment not only should, but must be public and horrific otherwise it serves no deterrent value.

Exactly what I've been saying all along.

Captial punishment should take place in the public square.

Mikey wrote:

mvscal wrote:
Punishment not only should, but must be public and horrific otherwise it serves no deterrent value.

Exactly what I've been saying all along.

Captial punishment should take place in the public square.

Just to set the mood, we begin by offing anyone who wears their pants below their ass.

Good looking women will be excepted, of course.

Mikey wrote:

Moving Sale wrote: You don't even know what a wobbler is do you?

Industrial Workers of the World, right?

Nyah, a "wobbler" is when the step stool TVO climbs up on to give somebody head has one leg shorter than the rest.

I get a kick reading the AlcoSensor IV logs. Some of the test readings are as low as .012, .028, .034.

Readings this low are priceless when cross-examining the cops. Just goes to show just how reliable the FST's are LOL.

^^^ What's pathetic is that 0.012 can be two beers in two hours, yet if you get a rogue cop, it may take you $1,000 in lawyer fees to legitimately fight charges if you get picked up. Bullshit.

My dad was arrested last night for sucking cock in public.

Diego in Seattle wrote:If someone who kills while driving after drinking can be charged with murder (as they should be), why don't we treat the other cases as they should be...attempts?

In order to convict someone of an attempted crime, it is an element that they come "dangerously close" to completing the crime. Merely getting behind the wheel in an intoxicated condition and operating a motor vehicle ("operating" a motor vehicle is a lesser standard than "driving" a motor vehicle, btw) doesn't get you to the "dangerously close" element.

I've probably represented at least 50 people charged with DWI. None involved a fatality. Only two involved personal injuries, and only one of those was an injury to another person.

Two DWI trials coming up for me next month, btw.

H4Ever wrote:I say any traffic offense after the 5th one (including speeding) you should get 5 years in the can because you have blatant disregard for the law.

You obviously don't live in my neck of the woods, then. Round these parts, traffic tickets are written primarily to raise revenue.

You'd have an awful lot of non-violent offenders in the penal system (much more than even currently exist) if New York ever adopted a provision similar to what you're advocating.

Jsc810 wrote:It was either that or he was going to die.

He's going to DIE!!!!

Terry in Crapchester wrote:In order to convict someone of an attempted crime, it is an element that they come "dangerously close" to completing the crime. Merely getting behind the wheel in an intoxicated condition and operating a motor vehicle ("operating" a motor vehicle is a lesser standard than "driving" a motor vehicle, btw) doesn't get you to the "dangerously close" element.

I have had plenty of DUI clients who came "dangerously close" to killing someone, but they were not charged because of mens rea problems.
You did goto Law school right?

Moving Sale wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:In order to convict someone of an attempted crime, it is an element that they come "dangerously close" to completing the crime. Merely getting behind the wheel in an intoxicated condition and operating a motor vehicle ("operating" a motor vehicle is a lesser standard than "driving" a motor vehicle, btw) doesn't get you to the "dangerously close" element.

I have had plenty of DUI clients who came "dangerously close" to killing someone, but they were not charged because of mens rea problems.
You did goto Law school right?

Yeah, I was going with the more obvious problem with Diego's argument (and one a little easier for a layman to follow than the mens rea issue).

Murder is a malice crime, but I believe attenpted murder actually requires specific intent, rather than malice.

Bump.



Yeah, he just got his 5th last week.

How is that even possible? Three DUIs in this state gets you 25 to life.

My cousin got a DUI back in '96. Thirteen years later he is driving home from Hooters and gets stopped no more than a quarter-mile from his house. Another DUI.

He goes to court and the judge shows no mercy. His license is suspended six months and he has to serve 80 hours of community service. My cousin's occupation requires him to drive to a number of trainyards and supervise the switching and what not. Well, his license is suspended, so he can't do his job. What does he do? Takes all of his vacation and sick days and he barely makes it to the six month time period.

Court day. He goes and sees the judge and presents to him the 80 hours of community service and no incidents while on probation. Judge just looks up at him and says. I'm gonna give you another 90 days to think about what you did. Cus has to tell his employer at this point. He gets demoted.

Seems a bit harsh, but every person convicted of one DUI should think about that before getting behind the wheel. I have no sympathy for 2nd time offenders.

Left Seater wrote:Anyone with multiple should be doing long jail time.

Anyone with multiple DUIs should have their arms and legs surgically removed.

Cato Institute's "War on Social Drinking"

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa501.pdf

I probably drive drunk four times a week.

Bizzarofelice wrote:I probably drive drunk four times a week.

"Probably"? What, are you too drunk to know?

Mikey wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote:I probably drive drunk four times a week.

"Probably"? What, are you too drunk to know?

I haven't been taking inventory of my wild rides.

In fairness, when you have a few pints, you take the time to obey the rules of the road - as opposed to when you're sober. I don't know about anyone else, but I speed, roll through stops and challenge reds.

It depends on the individual.

Toddowen wrote:I don't drink much anymore anyway.

Your recent posting history says otherwise, you fat drunken tub of shit.

Moving Sale wrote:

Left Seater wrote: How about my dad was killed by a guy who was driving drunk and had zero DUIs on his record.

Anecdotal evidence, that's just fucking great. Any other fallacies you want to use to prop up your position?

Some estimates say that most people will drive over over the legal limit 5 times before getting a DUI.

Got a link for that?
And how many times do people drive DUI without hurting anybody?
Anything else that might hurt you that you want to throw people in jail for? Speeding? Distracted driving? Owning a gun? Flying?

Fuck off you low life piece of shit.

Remove a few dead bodies from DUI caused wrecks and you might have a different opinion.

Roach wrote:Fuck that. I have no sympathy for First time offenders. Fuck 'em for putting us at risk.

Rack...

4 ain't shit. Call me when you have 8.

Sincerely,

Wisconsin drivers

You just have to learn to drive with one eye closed so you can tell which line you're supposed to follow. Then it becomes easy.

Mikey wrote:You just have to learn to drive with one eye closed so you can tell which line you're supposed to follow. Then it becomes easy.

I never thought of that. Good call.

Sin,

TenTreeBen

You never hear about 4-time DUI offenders in Germany. Wanna know why?...

Following a DUI arrest, you lose your license for six months, your car is impounded and sold, you pay a fine of $15,000 Euros and have to undergo a psychological test to determine if you'll get your license back at all. 70% of people fail this test the first time. Prior to taking this psych test, you're given an alcohol test that's so sensitive that you have to go stone-cold sober for at least four months or you'll fail.

Roach wrote:And I'm sure the krauts don't go lightly on folks who decide to drive without a license. Unlike the weak system we have.

Or those that drive without insurance, and then cause an accident and are told that they can't renew their license until they pay restitution for the accident. Which never comes. And then those...

:superdupermelt:

Roach wrote:And I'm sure the krauts don't go lightly on folks who decide to drive without a license. Unlike the weak system we have.

The krauts system works because it's focused on deterring future DUIs with harsh punishments. Our system in the USA is focused on generating revenue for states and trial attorneys, rather than actually serving as a genuine deterrent.

That's not to say that the kraut's system is something to exactly emulate. This guy couldn't pass the alcohol screen due to a blood chemistry issue and ended up getting a liver biopsy to prove he wasn't a problem drinker in an attempt to get his license back.

They treat driving as an absolute privilege though. It's not like the US where you can score one at the DMV for $20 after taking a driver's training course and logging a few hours of classroom time. The Krauts require a minimum of 45 hours of classroom time, 12 hours of "driving theory" and $2000. No, I did not misplace the decimal point.

I was an exchange student in Germany in '87 when I was 16. If they party at someone's house they either show up with a designated driver or it's expected that they're spending the night...even if they don't know the people. It's just a complete different mentality and it all has to do with the fact that the worst possible thing you can do over there is get pulled over for drinking and driving.

OCmike wrote:You never hear about 4-time DUI offenders in Germany. Wanna know why?...

Following a DUI arrest, you lose your license for six months, your car is impounded and sold, you pay a fine of $15,000 Euros and have to undergo a psychological test to determine if you'll get your license back at all. 70% of people fail this test the first time. Prior to taking this psych test, you're given an alcohol test that's so sensitive that you have to go stone-cold sober for at least four months or you'll fail.

Wow! That would eliminate 99% of this board. That alcohol test couldn't be an alcohol test as it leaves your system fairly quickly. They are most likely checking liver enzymes with something like an ALT/AST type test. So that would mean they give you an initial one to compare it at least 3 months later and charge you for all of the above?

Then you could have Wags lecturing them on the benefits of Bud Light. You would pass the liver enzymes test but fail the psych test.

To answer the original question posed by Q, while this isn't quite as rapid-fire as his example, it likely marks a much more spectacular downfall. http://www.duiattorney.com/news/5631-la ... -york-dwis

I actually know the guy. Not well, but I know him. Nice guy, too bad he's struggling with this particular demon.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Nice guy, too bad he's struggling with this particular demon.

Too bad he's not struggling while dangling from a tree with a noose around his neck. That fucker needs to die.

IndyFrisco wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Nice guy, too bad he's struggling with this particular demon.

Too bad he's not struggling while dangling from a tree with a noose around his neck. That fucker needs to die.

I'm pretty sure DWI convictions don't carry the death penalty. He could be looking at state prison time, though.

Edit: Just looked it up. That's where he is now.

IndyFrisco wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Nice guy, too bad he's struggling with this particular demon.

Too bad he's not struggling while dangling from a tree with a noose around his neck. That fucker needs to die.

I wasn't aware he was balck.

I don't know or care if dude is black or white, Screwball. 5 times he's been busted. How many times do you think he's actually driven drunk? Assholes like that should be strung up and used as a piñata.

Well here is another great example of a stellar citizen driving drunk and fucking killing people...bitch also walked on an attempt murder rap a while back...

2 students killed, 1 other critically hurt in Salem crash



http://salem.katu.com/content/2-student ... alem-crash

Looking at the front end damage on the tweakers ride, be lucky if the third one lives....that is some major damage for human bodies to inflict...and understandable how you can be critically injured or killed real easy..been on a few of these auto / peds and it never turns out well..

Derron wrote:Looking at the front end damage on the tweakers ride...

Hey man... just because someone is from the greater Salem area, it doesn't necessarily mean they're a meth-head...


Oh, wait... my bad... yes it does. Carry on.


Fuck that place scares me. You get that many tweekers and corrupt politicians in one place, and surely no good will come from it.

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Fuck that place scares me. You get that many tweekers and corrupt politicians in one place, and surely no good will come from it.

You forgot to add in the untold numbers of convicts that walk out the front doors of the various penal institutions in and around the Salem area, they look around and like what they see ( other cons, drugs, substandard housing etc..), and decide to STAY in the Salem area, and that always adds more to the gentrification of the area.

I do a couple of jobs right in that area a couple of times per year, an there is nothing good about anything associated with Lancaster Drive in Salem...

Derron wrote:I do a couple of jobs right in that area a couple of times per year, an there is nothing good about anything associated with Lancaster Drive in Salem...

There's nothing good about the southern end of that city... which extends all the way to Albany, which makes Salem/South Salem look tame by comparison.

Derron wrote:You forgot to add in the untold numbers of convicts that walk out the front doors of the various penal institutions in and around the Salem area, they look around and like what they see ( other cons, drugs, substandard housing etc..), and decide to STAY in the Salem area, and that always adds more to the gentrification of the area.

That's not exactly gentrification.

IndyFrisco wrote:I don't know or care if dude is black or white, Screwball. 5 times he's been busted. How many times do you think he's actually driven drunk? Assholes like that should be strung up and used as a piñata.

So you're saying that leaving his young kid fatherless is the way to go? He hasn't caused any personal injury as a result of driving drunk AFAIK. Yes, that may be due to dumb luck, but that's a factor which the Courts can, and do, take into consideration in imposing sentence. As they should.

And before anyone accuses me of suggesting that he should go unpunished, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying that there's a pretty significant difference, in this case, between the appropriate level of punishment and capital punishment.

And btw, dude is white, fwiw. Not that that really matters (or at least should matter) here.