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Martyred wrote:This was a needless loss of life for the three Somali sailors and a black eye for the Obama Administration.

So what? They forfeited their lives the minute they decided to become pirates. Obama just guaranteed himself another 3-6 months of honeymoon time.

I guess the other pirate community have promised revenge over this.

trev wrote:I guess the other pirate community have promised revenge over this.

Well shiver me timbers.

Van wrote:Mikey, for the record, no, neither mvscal nor I ever suggested killing the hostages.

For the record, Van, you're full of shit. You were yes-manning all over mvscals's spittle soaked rantings in the other forum about not giving a flying fuck about the hostages:

Van wrote:

mvscal wrote:Maybe we ought to stop giving a flying fuck about hostages. Just have a funeral and tell the kidnappers to go fuck themselves. If there is no profit in hostage taking...they won't take hostages

Same thing with "human shields."

Nigh on impossible to argue with that.

mvscal did mention that initially some hostages would die, but he didn't suggest that we kill them.

Semantics. You go in guns blazing and "not giving a flying fuck about the hostages" you are most assuredely killing them.

What he did suggest is that the way to prevent piracy (of the seas, not the type practiced on weekends by m2) is by removing the kidnapper's incentive. Don't negotiate, don't offer them anything whatsoever, other than certain death, and the kidnappers will quickly learn that kidnapping doesn't pay. If it doesn't pay, they won't continue to do it.

They're in this for profit, not idealogy. Take away their potential for profit and they'll move on to something with profit potential.

Had that been our policy all along, this past week's kidnapping doesn't happen.

The vast majority of this "piracy" we see is simply kidnapping; kidnapping for profit. So far, it's working. People are paying, so the kidnappings continue.

If nobody ever paid...game over.

I believe that the current situation ended up with nobody paying ransom, AND all of the perps either dead or in custody. You think they could have done any better by using mvscal's methods?

Really Van you, like Tom, are starting to sound like nothing more than ideological whore for the local reactionary nutcases and Obama haters. In the past I would have expected better.

Mikey wrote:

trev wrote:I guess the other pirate community have promised revenge over this.

Well shiver me timbers.

I'll shiver yore timbers, ya old fart.

aarrrrrrgggg!!

trev wrote:I guess the other pirate community have promised revenge over this.

Not to worry.

Al Davis is huddled with his attorneys as we speak. He'll be coming at them hard with some copyright infringement litgation.

Is Obama taking credit for this? How very opportunistic of him.

mvscal wrote:

Mikey wrote:Semantics. You go in guns blazing and "not giving a flying fuck about the hostages" you are most assuredely killing them.

We did go in guns blazing "not giving a flying fuck about the hostages", you stupid, pinheaded fuck. One ill timed swell and Cap'n Phillips would have been shark shit.

Uh, no, moron. Their intent was to save the hostage.

And who the fuck is "We", Duke? Are you mentally projecting yourself into your little army man dioramas again?
Please believe me, you really weren't there. It's only a fantasy, all in your head.

You really should try and get out a little more often.
You might find it becomes easier to connect with the real world.

mvscal wrote:

War Wagon wrote:head shots from about 200 yards and

35 meters is not 200 yards, idiot. It's not even 200 feet.

When I posted that, I really didn't know how far away they were. I was assuming it was approx. 200 yards because that's the distance I had read the Bainbridge was keeping from the lifeboat. Come to find out later they were actually towing the lifeboat.

Mikey, go ahead and link me up to where I (not mvscal, but myself) in any way tied this kidnapping to Obama. Show me where I gave him the blame for it, or the credit for the result.

I didn't.

So, you're oh-for-two here, regarding anything I've said. I didn't suggest we kill hostages and I didn't blame Obama for this.

This shit has been going on, all over the world, for a long time. The vast majority of it isn't thievery. Some of it has been, but by and large it's been kidnapping for ransom, especially by the Somalians.

That being the case, and since you're all blustering and huffing and puffing, go ahead and answer the question: What happens to the Somalian piracy trade, if no one ever negotiates with them, or pays them?

Hypothetically, the leaders of the U.S., China, Russia, Saudi, England, Germany, etc, all come together and put out a unified pronouncement stating that starting today, we will never again negotiate with kidnappers. We will simply kill them.

Then, over the next year or two, that's exactly what happens. We make good on our promise. The kidnappers don't see a dime for their efforts, and they all die.

How many more kidnappings for ransom do you think we'll see, say, from 2011 forward?

Is your goal the occasional successful resolution of a kidnapping, including the occasional loss of innocent life, such as what happened with the French last week, or, in year's past, the Achille Lauro incident, or is it to see an end to these kidnappings?

Answer the question.

Never said that you blamed it on Obama, and I don't see where you could have gotten that idea. I guess you feel you need to start your reply by trying to deflect my actual criticism.

You definitely did agree with mvscal's take that they "should not give a flying fuck" about the hostages.
"Just have a funeral." Go ahead and keep trying to deny that. It's there in black and white. You said that there is no possible argument to that statement.

I also never said that we should ever pay them off. That should not be an option. Negotiate yes, but only to the point where the hostages can be rescued, and the perps should never be let go. So, in a way I guess we are in agreement, but all attempts should be made to retrieve the hostage(s) alive. Going in immediately and blowing away the perps without "giving a flying fuck about the hostage" is tantamount to killing the hostage. You can't realistically deny that.

This operation took 5 days. The hostage is alive. The perps are dead or captured. A certain amount of negotiation went on in 5 days. The result is optimum. If the SEALS had gone in immediately without waiting for the right time the hostage would likely have been dead. Take mvscal's take and your agreement not giving a flying fuck and shove it up both your asses.

Mikey wrote:
You definitely did agreed with mvscal's take that they "should not give a flying fuck" about the hostages.

MVSCAL, is right, you dumbfukkk!


Caring about hostages is the reason this shite continues to go on for eternity! At some point we just have to say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" and make a statement to pirates that they will never get another penny and they have zero chance of survival.

As much as I hate to say it, the needs of 6 Billion People outweight the needs of 250 unfortunate hostages.

mvscal wrote: You understand that, right?

Mikey might understand better if you somehow interlaced some talk about pirates taking the hostages from behind bubba style. If ya know what I mean.

Mikey wrote:Never said that you blamed it on Obama, and I don't see where you could have gotten that idea.

Oh, probably from this quote of yours...

Mikey wrote:Really Van you, like Tom, are starting to sound like nothing more than ideological whore for the local reactionary nutcases and Obama haters. In the past I would have expected better.

You don't see where you tied me in with "the Obama haters," who were in fact laying the stalemate of this kidnapping at his feet?

Read what what you wrote again, Mikey, and then remember the context in which you wrote it: a thread about the kidnapping, which followed much debate here about Obama and his role in this kidnapping saga.

Of course I took it to mean you were calling me an "idealogical whore for the local reactionary nutcases and Obama haters."

That's exactly what you just said, so why wouldn't I take it that way? Without a single word from me about Obama, you still made that leap, all on your own.

I guess you feel you need to start your reply by trying to deflect my actual criticism.

Not at all. I'm simply line-iteming where you're wrong about what I've said.

You definitely did agree with mvscal's take that they "should not give a flying fuck" about the hostages.

I never said we should kill them, though, which is what you initially charged me with having said.

In the same way that we accept soldiers will die when they join the military and we send them into harm's way, yes, I believe we will sacrifice some innocents, initially.

In the same way that the threat of our military usually means we don't have to use it to its full capabilities, thus saving lives, I also think that the killing of all kidnappers will obviate the need to do so very much (if at all) in the future. Once the precedent has been set and the deterrent factor has been demonstrated these kidnappings will be a thing of the past.

Does that mean that I don't "give a flying fuck" about the hostages who may die, initially?

In strategic terms, yes, it does. I'm looking at the larger picture, and how best to stop this menace, once and for all.

Do you not give a flying fuck about the soldiers who died at Normandy?

On an intellectual and strategic basis, no, you don't. You see their sacrifice as a necessary component in solving a larger problem.

"Just have a funeral." Go ahead and keep trying to deny that. It's there in black and white. You said that there is no possible argument to that statement.

See above, and answer it. Tell me where it wouldn't work. Tell me where it wouldn't prove to be a life saving benefit, in the long run.

I also never said that we should ever pay them off. That should not be an option. Negotiate yes, but only to the point where the hostages can be rescued, and the perps should never be let go.

Negotiate what, then?

They're in it solely for the payout. Even if the payout changes from a demand for money to a demand to release political prisoners, or a demand for a removal of our forces from their country, you're still validating their tactics. You're still providing them with incentive to keep doing it.

Negotiating with them legitimizes them. It legitimizes their methods.

No. They kidnap our people, they die. End of story.

Then we'll see how much longer they continue to try to kidnap for ransom.

Here should be the extent of negotiations...

Kidnappers: "We demand <insert demands> in exchange for the release of your personnel."

U.S. Navy: "You will release our people and abandon ship within the next five minutes, or you will die. You will not be given amnesty, at some later date. This is a one time offer. Leave now, or die. You will be dead within ten minutes, unless you're off that boat and our people are safe."

Kidnappers: "We will kill the hostages."

U.S. Navy: "Lotta good that'll do you. You'll never be able to do it again. You'll be dead, and so will your handlers, once we kill them too, which we will."

Kidnappers: "You're bluffing."

U.S. Navy: "Four minutes now, and counting. Leave, or die."

Kidnappers: "Don't you care about your hostages?"

U.S. Navy: "Yes, we do. So much so, that we'll kill every single one of you who threatens them. Regardless, you're not going to get paid. This mission of yours failed. What's in it for you, now? Three minutes, and counting. Look out your window. That's death, staring right at you. It's not a paycheck, it's not a hero's welcome. It's death. You're about to die, having achieved nothing."

Kidnappers: "Bullshit. You're bluffing. Unless you want your hostages to die we want $2,000,000 and safe passage back to our land."

U.S. Navy: "I suggest you make your peace with your god. Hopefully your family will be able to manage okay without you. There won't be any trials, there won't be any more talking. Surrender now."

Kidnappers: "You're bluffing. If you set one foot on this boat, the captain dies."

U.S. Navy: "Time's up."

~click~

~thwock~

~thwock...thwock..thwockthwockthwock~

Mikey, there's your negotiation. It'll happen once, maybe twice, and that'll be that. They won't be coming back, and nobody will line up to repeat their blunder.

So, in a way I guess we are in agreement, but all attempts should be made to retrieve the hostage(s) alive.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

If our people don't get kidnapped, there are no hostages. That should be the only goal.

Attempting to secure their safe release after they've been kidnapped means we've already screwed the pooch.

Going in immediately and blowing away the perps without "giving a flying fuck about the hostage" is tantamount to killing the hostage. You can't realistically deny that.

We just did it, and our hostage lived. We killed the kidnappers, and the hostages all lived.

Mikey, we're much better at killing bad guys than bad guys are at staying alive, once we've located them and decided to kill them.

Besides, it's a moot point. If they don't kidnap our people then there are no hostages for them to kill. The point is simply to de-motivate them to the very idea of even attempting to extort the U.S. out of anything. They must adopt as their own business edict that U.S. citizens and U.S. assets are considered "off limits."

That is the only acceptable mindset for them to have, if you're in charge of safeguarding our people.

This operation took 5 days. The hostage is alive. The perps are dead or captured. A certain amount of negotiation went on in 5 days. The result is optimum. If the SEALS had gone in immediately without waiting for the right time the hostage would likely have been dead.

Bullshit. In the same way that you keep saying mvscal wasn't there, well, neither were you. For all you know this same result could've been achieved immediately, and the only reason it took five days was due to political hand wringing.

You don't know that it needed to take five days worth of bullshit negotiating, so don't pretend that you do.

The only end result that matters here is that negotiations netted nothing. Killing the kidnappers netted us a satisfactory outcome.

That's what I'm suggesting, that's what happened and that's what you're now applauding, so all you're doing is agreeing with me.

Killing the kidnappers ended this kidnapping. Not negotiations; killing the kidnappers.

Take mvscal's take and your agreement not giving a flying fuck and shove it up both your asses.

Quit whining, and get your facts straight. Quit misquoting me, and try to remember your own quotes.

Then, answer the fucking question. I've answered yours, now answer mine.

Van wrote: I never said we should kill them, though, which is what you initially charged me with having said.

Here we go AGAIN.

trev wrote:Is Obama taking credit for this? How very opportunistic of him.

Shouldn't you be discussing the Obama's dog's name? Considering you love discussing shit that doesn't matter.

mvscal wrote:

Mikey wrote:Semantics. You go in guns blazing and "not giving a flying fuck about the hostages" you are most assuredely killing them.

We did go in guns blazing "not giving a flying fuck about the hostages", you stupid, pinheaded fuck. One ill timed swell and Cap'n Phillips would have been shark shit.

I will give the TOTUS limited props for listening to military advice and successfully negotiating this tutorial scenario. Of course we are far from finished here and it will never get any easier than 4 skinnies adrift in a lifeboat hundreds of miles out to sea.

How many 40's did you pour out today in memory of the pirate booty you'll never get to loot?

mvscal wrote:

Mikey wrote:You definitely did agree with mvscal's take that they "should not give a flying fuck" about the hostages.

So did the TOTUS.

The result is optimum.

So was the situtation. How often do you think we are going to be up against 4 skinnies stranded in a life boat hundreds of miles out to sea and actually under tow by one of our destroyers which offered us a controlled situation where shots could be taken at our leisure from only a little over a 100 feet away? It will quite literally never get any easier than that.

If we continue this policy (and we should) we are going to lose some hostages. You understand that, right?

Seamen, pirates, poor black foreigners, booty, etc.... This shit is right up your alley, yet you are still a dumbfuck.

Stan Fukkken Pickle wrote:

Mikey wrote:
You definitely did agreed with mvscal's take that they "should not give a flying fuck" about the hostages.

MVSCAL, is right, you dumbfukkk!


Caring about hostages is the reason this shite continues to go on for eternity! At some point we just have to say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" and make a statement to pirates that they will never get another penny and they have zero chance of survival.

As much as I hate to say it, the needs of 6 Billion People outweight the needs of 250 unfortunate hostages.

The US government has never gave these pirates a single fucking dime. I'd ask who the fuck you are talking to, but you are the shittiest troll this board has ever had. Stick to posting up pics of you and your faggot brothers heading into international waters hoping to get captured by your own boytoy butt pirates.

GOSD wrote:you are the shittiest troll this board has ever had

Don't think for one second that you aren't closing on him, fast. I'm talking Usain Bolt fast; your zeal to become the worst and most annoying troll we've ever seen seems so paramount.

He has an excuse, too. He's an obvious parody troll.

What's your excuse?

Van wrote:

GOSD wrote:you are the shittiest troll this board has ever had

Don't think for one second that you aren't closing on him, fast. I'm talking Usain Bolt fast; your zeal to become the worst and most annoying troll we've ever seen seems so paramount.

He has an excuse, too. He's an obvious parody troll.

What's your excuse?

This board is a parody. Still having problems with facts? Where will you be when Cops finds mvscal sucking a dirty Jeff in turn 3 off in an alley, with his buddy, the former cop, banging the stripper he got fired over?

How does someone become as obsessed with man-on-man oral sex as you obviously are, GOSD? Seriously. How in the fuck did that happen to you?

Stanley says he developed his hatred for blacks and his bitterness towards life due to the time he spent with blacks, in the military. That, and the constant ringing in his head.

Were you simply surrounded by and inundated with men sucking cock, during your formative years?

Swear to god, of all the crosses to bear, being beset with constant fantasies of un-funny oral sex acts between men, woo, that's gotta be one of the most ignominious. What a living hell.

You seriously got the short end of the stick, dude. No one would blame you if you killed yourself, just to escape those demons.

Van wrote:How does someone become as obsessed with man-on-man oral sex as you obviously are, GOSD? Seriously. How in the fuck did that happen to you?

Stanley says he developed his hatred for blacks and his bitterness towards life due to the time he spent with blacks, in the military. That, and the constant ringing in his head.

Were you simply surrounded by and inundated with men sucking cock, during your formative years?

Swear to god, of all the crosses to bear, being beset with constant fantasies of un-funny oral sex acts between men, woo, that's gotta be one of the most ignominious. What a living hell.

You seriously got the short end of the stick, dude. No one would blame you if you killed yourself, just to escape those demons.

Stanley isn't a real person you dumbshit and just like Jeff in Turn 3 and his fucked up life, along with his former cop buddy friend, mvscal is a fucking waste also. You'd suggest me posting something else to that dick fuck other than I'm on to him?

Van wrote:

GOSD wrote:you are the shittiest troll this board has ever had

Don't think for one second that you aren't closing on him, fast. I'm talking Usain Bolt fast; your zeal to become the worst and most annoying troll we've ever seen seems so paramount.

He has an excuse, too. He's an obvious parody troll.

What's your excuse?

Her mom didn't hug her enough.

GOSD wrote:Stanley isn't a real person you dumbshit

And you don't pay attention very well...

Van wrote:He has an excuse, too. He's an obvious parody troll.

Again, what's your excuse?

Atomic Punk wrote:

GOSD wrote:Stanley isn't a real person you dumbshit

And you don't pay attention very well...

Atomic Punk wrote:He has an excuse, too. He's an obvious parody troll.

Again, what's your excuse?

I need an excuse?

Unless you simply enjoy being thought of as a real person who makes no apologies for his obsession with ingesting black cock, yes, you do.

Otherwise, hey, I'm perfectly comfortable with acknowledging that unlike Stanley you aren't a troll. You're just a real person, like I am, or Lefty is, or Terry is, only with one huge difference: You're a real person, who happens to be obsessed with the thought of sucking black cock.

I'm totally okay with your being that way. I guess we should all be proud of you, if you're okay with it too. Good to see someone who's totally comfortable in their own deviant skin...

Van wrote: In the same way that you keep saying mvscal wasn't there, well, neither were you. For all you know this same result could've been achieved immediately, and the only reason it took five days was due to political hand wringing.

You don't know that it needed to take five days worth of bullshit negotiating, so don't pretend that you do.

The negotiations worked in the sense that it stalled for time to wait for the most opportune moment to take them out... like after the lifeboat had run out of fuel and was drifting in rough seas, and then getting them to agree to allow a tow line to be hooked up, at a quite convenient length of 35 meters, to be in the very steady and calm wake right behind the Bainbridge.

Provided 3 easy head shots, while the 4th pirate was onboard a U.S. destroyer "negotiating". Imagine how that must have ruined his day.

Van, they played that poker hand perfectly. There's nothing wrong with a bit of patience. They gained their trust by delivering them food, water, and medicine, and then turned up pocket aces once the river card came out.

I'm guessing that if you ever play Texas hold'em, you'll be the first one run from the table. So the next time you sit down and play look around and ask yourself who the sucker is. If you can't tell immediately, it's most likely you.

War Wagon wrote:

Van wrote: In the same way that you keep saying mvscal wasn't there, well, neither were you. For all you know this same result could've been achieved immediately, and the only reason it took five days was due to political hand wringing.

You don't know that it needed to take five days worth of bullshit negotiating, so don't pretend that you do.

The negotiations worked in the sense that it stalled for time to wait for the most opportune moment to take them out... like after the lifeboat had run out of fuel and was drifting in rough seas, and then getting them to agree to allow a tow line to be hooked up, at a quite convenient length of 35 meters, to be in the very steady and calm wake right behind the Bainbridge.

Provided 3 easy head shots, while the 4th pirate was onboard a U.S. destroyer "negotiating". Imagine how that must have ruined his day.

Van, they played that poker hand perfectly. There's nothing wrong with a bit of patience. They gained their trust by delivering them food, water, and medicine, and then turned up pocket aces once the river card came out.

I'm guessing that if you ever play Texas hold'em, you'll be the first one run from the table. So the next time you sit down and play look around and ask yourself who the sucker is. If you can't tell immediately, it's most likely you.

Exactly. Look at the silly cunt trying to rationalize with me.

WW wrote:Van, they played that poker hand perfectly. There's nothing wrong with a bit of patience.

Remind me to never hire you to safeguard my loved ones. Or my valuables. Or my country.

You're a fucking imbecile, if you think this all played out perfectly.

They engaged and tied up our Navy, and the world media, for five straight days. For five straight days they could've killed that captain. They also could've killed the other captives, before they were rerleased.

That isn't "perfect," you moron. If you think it is, let's let them have a go at your daughter, whom they've taken hostage on a cruise ship. Let's see if you think it's "perfect" when we attempt to rescue her, and she's the one who dies, while others live, as was the case in the recent French action.

You know what's "perfect," WW?

"Perfect" is your daughter's ship never gets hi-jacked in the first place.

"Perfect" is the hi-jackers receive no media coverage.

"Perfect" is our Navy doesn't have to attend to such nonsense.

"Perfect" is when the fuckers are so terrified of the consequences that the thought of hi-jacking her boat doesn't even cross their minds, once they see her name and citizenship on the passenger manifest.

"Perfect" is when we're not talking about this, because it didn't happen.

You know how we arrive at "perfect"? We don't play poker with 'em, you simple dunce. We don't invite them to the table. This isn't a game, and they are to be given no reason to think they can win.

No, we let them know that if they show their faces, their lose their asses. We put the fear of god into them. When the thought process within their own circles is such that they know beyond any shadow of a doubt that they're never to kidnap-for-ransom U.S. citizens, that's when we've achieved perfection.

This shit that we just went through? Hopefully it sent a message. It sure wasn't a strong enough message, however, and the message very obviously needed to be sent a long time ago.

Van wrote:

WW wrote:Van, they played that poker hand perfectly. There's nothing wrong with a bit of patience.

Remind me to never hire you to safeguard my loved ones. Or my valuables. Or my country.

You're a fucking imbecile, if you think this all played out perfectly.

They engaged and tied up our Navy, and the world media, for five straight days. For five straight days they could've killed that captain. They also could've killed the other captives, before they were rerleased.

That isn't "perfect," you moron. If you think it is, let's let them have a go at your daughter, whom they've taken hostage on a cruise ship. Let's see if you think it's "perfect" when we attempt to rescue her, and she's the one who dies, while others live, as was the case in the recent French action.

You know what's "perfect," WW?

"Perfect" is your daughter's ship never gets hi-jacked in the first place.

"Perfect" is the hi-jackers receive no media coverage.

"Perfect" is our Navy doesn't have to attend to such nonsense.

"Perfect" is when the fuckers are so terrified of the consequences that the thought of hi-jacking her boat doesn't even cross their minds, once they see her name and citizenship on the passenger manifest.

"Perfect" is when we're not talking about this, because it didn't happen.

You know how we arrive at "perfect"? We don't play poker with 'em, you simple dunce. We don't invite them to the table. This isn't a game, and they are to be given no reason to think they can win.

No, we let them know that if they show their faces, their lose their asses. We put the fear of god into them. When the thought process within their own circles is such that they know beyond any shadow of a doubt that they're never to kidnap-for-ransom U.S. citizens, that's when we've achieved perfection.

This shit that we just went through? Hopefully it sent a message. It sure wasn't a strong enough message, however, and the message very obviously needed to be sent a long time ago.

No message was sent you festering cunt! They are going to get more ruthless and have stated as such. Even though our military operation went flawlessly, these pirates aren't going to stop. I'm not saying the pirates are badasses, but what is with it with the typical dumbshit American thinking that anyone in the world is afraid of them. It's like you thinking I give a shit about my self worth on this board. You are a clueless fuck to reality.

GOSD, try to keep up. These aren't terrorists. They aren't idealogues. They aren't political, at all.

They're kidnappers. This is their business. This is how they make their living. They aren't trying to martyr themselves, you fucking stooge. They just want to get paid.

Once they learn there is no payday at the end of this decision, they'll choose some other way to try to make a paycheck. Robbers don't rob, not when there is no chance of receiving a payday. If they know that all they'll get for their efforts is a bullet to the brain they will choose to do something else.

Jesus, you're slow.

The word that some other pirates promised revenge sort of surprised me. Pure mercenaries or opportunists would scarcely do something like that.

They're broke ass Somalian pirates. Who the fuck cares what they say, or why they say it?

Yeah, "revenge," you get right on that, Mohammed. You can barely afford the gas in your dinghy, and you're going to exact revenge on...who?

The U.S. Navy?

"Revenge," for what? For getting caught kidnapping, and getting executed for it?

Sounds like an attempt at face saving braggadocio, ie, pandering to the locals, and nothing more.

Atomic Punk wrote:Bobby 52, I'm not forgetting this is a smack board as socal just made a really funny panty reference. I'm still laughing and you should be also.

Anyway, the SEAL team should have been on it as it happened. It seems command decision makers are obligated to micromanagement from the CIC through the Pentagon. I knew this would happen.

I'm also waiting for the token CIC to publicly apologize to the world that a SEAL squad capped those black-skinned pirates. After all, he is from Afrika. He should be homies wif dem.

FYI, I'm laughing as well. I respond from the perspective of once being an actual hostage negotiator. Once you have containment you slow the action down. The first few hours are the most critical. The longer is situation continues the much more likely there will be a peaceful resolution. This is typical in most situations. Now, two factors:

- The response to the area and setting up the tactical envelope.

- Ramping up the FBI negotiators. Everyone knows damn well the FBI has to dial in Wash DC to clear decisions each step along the way.

Finally, things worked in our favor on Easter Sunday. The Navy Seal's pulled three triggers and with the sound of a single shot three dirtbags are now burning in hell. What would have happened if we had taken the shot on Day #2 or #3 and something went wrong? There would be a great many people critical of that; stating negotiations didn't have a chance.

Five days? We had containment, they were not going anywhere and we showed restraint until forced to act. The next step is even more important. We are going to do about future pirating episodes?

Van wrote:GOSD, try to keep up. These aren't terrorists. They aren't idealogues. They aren't political, at all.

They're kidnappers. This is their business. This is how they make their living. They aren't trying to martyr themselves, you fucking stooge. They just want to get paid.

Once they learn there is no payday at the end of this decision, they'll choose some other way to try to make a paycheck. Robbers don't rob, not when there is no chance of receiving a payday. If they know that all they'll get for their efforts is a bullet to the brain they will choose to do something else.

Jesus, you're slow.

No shit?

They are organized you dumbfuck. Just like the drug cartels in Mexico that are beheading people. They have nothing else to do with their time and they are a criminal outfit. Death is a workplace incident. They will still go on and they will also from now on, kill the hostage and make a run for it. They won't dick around with still trying to get the ransom if they know there is a point where they will lose. The military should keep on killing them though, but these pirates aren't going to stop jacking ships because the US military will intervene or some dumbfuck on a message board gets his rocks off living vicariously through shit he doesn't do.

Van wrote:They're broke ass Somalian pirates. Who the fuck cares what they say, or why they say it?

Yeah, "revenge," you get right on that, Mohammed. You can barely afford the gas in your dinghy, and you're going to exact revenge on...who?

The U.S. Navy?

"Revenge," for what? For getting caught kidnapping, and getting executed for it?

Sounds like an attempt at face saving braggadocio, ie, pandering to the locals, and nothing more.

There aren't robots on those cargo ships you stupid fuck.

These people don't want to die, you stupid fuck.