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Mgo and I are pretty much on the same page here. I'll tell or listen to a gay joke, ethnic joke, etc. At the same time, not once have I ever taken offense to something someone else has said that I can think of. I may have disagreed with something someone says, but if you let yourself get worked up over something someone simply SAYS...then that makes you a fucking pussy.

Someone takes a swing at you and calls you a fag? Kick his ass.

Someone just calls you a fag? Give them the "I'm better than you" smirk

and move on.

Van wrote:Moreover, the coach of Hawaii isn't the coach of Cal. He doesn't need to worry about offending gays.

Don't be so sure about that, cowboy.

I'm with Mgo and Indy. Obviously there are situations among friends were specific words don't carry the same connotation they do in the culture at large, so fine, go ahead and make a spic joke. It's fairly obvious an epitaph is used two separate ways: [1] to ridicule an entire group of people and [2] to mock people who use epitaphs to ridicule an entire group of people, in much the same way people oftentimes say "the turrists hate our freedoms."

Obviously, that understanding doesn't extend to speaking in front of a bunch of reporters who are paid to relay your words to the general public.

And ja, gay friends generally don't care if "queer" or "fag" leaves your mouth. I'm sure yours would would shift his position on the matter ever slightly if you went on one of those "fags = pederast" rants or if the government started hinting at possible internment of all things homo.

Van wrote: Gays, as a formal group, were never slaves in this country. "Faggot" doesn't speak to ownership of a person, and definitive inferiority, and unspeakable violence.

There simply isn't anything like the equivalent historical context there, with "faggot."

Slavery and death, vs politically incorrect bigotry. Yes, gays have died over such bigotry, but it's been nothing like what blacks went through, with the lynchpin n-bomb forever denoting their status on this country's foodchain.

Agreed, there is definitely a hierarchy of epitaph. What if we replaced mvscal with spic, dago, whop, mick, etc.?

Van wrote:On a message board choking with descriptions of gay sex insults I don't think "faggot" even registers. I couldn't give a fuck about defending it.

I'm fairly late getting in here, and not to belabor a point, but there's a world of difference between what anonymous posters on an internet board, many of them uneducated in real life, say, on one hand, and what the head football coach of a state's flagship university, on the other hand, says.

Don't think for a second that the head coach of the Rainbow Warriors isn't a little uncomfortable around this issue.

:)

Woah, I didn't realize that the PC in BTPCFB stood for Politically Correct.

Whole buncha' faggots up in this bitch.

You go, you big tough-talkin' guy, you...

Believe the Heupel wrote:

M Club wrote:I'm with Mgo and Indy. Obviously there are situations among friends were specific words don't carry the same connotation they do in the culture at large, so fine, go ahead and make a spic joke. It's fairly obvious an epitaph is used two separate ways: [1] to ridicule an entire group of people and [2] to mock people who use epitaphs to ridicule an entire group of people, in much the same way people oftentimes say "the turrists hate our freedoms."

Obviously, that understanding doesn't extend to speaking in front of a bunch of reporters who are paid to relay your words to the general public.

And ja, gay friends generally don't care if "queer" or "fag" leaves your mouth. I'm sure yours would would shift his position on the matter ever slightly if you went on one of those "fags = pederast" rants or if the government started hinting at possible internment of all things homo.

FWIW, the word you're looking for is epithet. Epitaph is something you put on a grave marker.

oh well. guess i'll eat this bullet for dinner.

heh, proppers.