The Pac 10 and their fans....

[socal]

I'm thankful that I live in a region that gives its quaffers enough perspective to realize that Fat Tire is fucking horrific swill.

But I suppose if you didn't grow up drinking crafties, it beats Budweiser.

Lucky bastard.

Don't tell this to that Arrogant Bastard, Mikey.

[TheJON]

Where in Montana did you live? I have family that live in Boezman and I absolutely love it there. Fat Tire is great, but it's changed a little bit since they decided to mass produce it. Doesn't taste the same, but still very good.

Worked at Glacier (East Glacier Park to be exact). Back in summer of 2002, heading into my senior year. Fat Tire was definitely the most popular beer that people drank out there, although that wasn't actually Montana citizens (is there such a thing!?), it was us summer-job folk. I'm not sure the taste is much different since they've mass produced because it was 7 years ago. Kinda hard to really compare a beer I hadn't drank in so many years. But I did notice that when we drove up to Canada that summer (we were about a half hour away from the border), the American beers tasted different up there. Coor's Light up there was just fucking brutal. I'm not a big Coor's fan, but that was some real nasty crap in Canada. Heck, their Heinz ketchup tasted nasty. Just about everything besides the scenery in that country is crap. Fuck Canada.

My team has been bad forever and I wouldn't think of not getting season tickets. Try being an ISU fan, you fuckers.

Hahaha! No comment, minor! :D

[Killian]

Arrogant Bastard

Now that's a good beer. Double oaked, of course.

[indyfrisco]

Arrogant Bastard

Now that's a good beer. Double oaked, of course.

His cousin, Fat Bastard, makes a some good wine too.

[indyfrisco]

good times.

I miss the 80s and 90s.

[TheJON]

Fuck people who "boycott" their team. If you can't hang through the bad times then you don't get to enjoy the good times.

What if the only way you'll ever have a chance to enjoy the good times is if you boycott your team?

Personally, I have no sympathy for people rooting for struggling teams. Fuck, try rooting year after year for the Kansas City Royals and then get back to me.......

Never once rooted against the Royals and still am not, but kind of hope we pass Washington for worst record in baseball so we can get the #1 pick and draft that Bryce Harper kid that's supposedly the greatest HS player ever. Don't get me wrong, I'm not openly rooting against them but when we misplay a routine ground ball, throw a wild pitch, or get picked off I don't get mad about it. I just say "that's one step closer to Bryce Harper". Now, as for the Hawkeyes.......I wouldn't do something like that. I've never wanted the coach fired. I wanted Hayden to retire back in the mid 1990's but I wasn't going to stop going to games because of it.

I will say this..........the only way any changes will ever be made in Kansas City is IF we do boycott. I just couldn't do it. Hell, I went to the game yesterday. I love going to games too much, but I hope a big majority of the Royals fans do that sometime. Nothing will ever change until the fans step up and start boycotting games. I just don't think I could ever join in on it. But I certainly encourage it.

[Killian]

Fuck people who "boycott" their team. If you can't hang through the bad times then you don't get to enjoy the good times.

Time out, by people trying to do something to change their team, they don't get to enjoy the good times if what they did helped bring about said change? I can't get on board with that.
I've hung with my team through some pretty brutal stretches. I don't want those stretches to continue so I want to do something about it, no matter how little it may seem. This doesn't mean I won't watch them because they are having a shitty year. 2007 was the worst 44 collective hours of my life (I missed the blood letting in Ann Arbor because of a softball tournament). But I still suffered through them.

I have never not watched a Notre Dame game because of the coaching or record. I have altered how I watch. I never watch the game at a bar, but I will if they suck and someone wants to do something that night. But if I think the administration isn't committed to winning, I will stop spending whatever meager money I do on the University. Much of this had to do with the last administration but if this one proves to be as nutless as the last, I will do the same things if they don't appear to want to succeed at the highest level.

When the good times do come around, I think the people who try to change things should get to enjoy that success more than the people who blindly follow an incompetent administration who threw themselves face first on the ground and perched their ass up nice and high hoping they didn't get hit square in the corn hole.

[TheJON]

I agree with what Killian is saying. Now, if he goes and roots for another team while boycotting, then it's lame as fuck. But if your purpose is to do your part to help make positive changes to your team then there's nothing wrong with it.

To be honest, I would say I'm probably doing more harm to the Royals by actually giving them my money than a fan that refuses to go to games because he's fed up with the crap that's been going on for so long.

If it's time for a change and your administration/management refuses to do anything about it, what the heck else can you do as a fan besides boycotting games?

[SunCoastSooner]

I'm thankful that I live in a region that gives its quaffers enough perspective to realize that Fat Tire is fucking horrific swill.

But I suppose if you didn't grow up drinking crafties, it beats Budweiser.

Oregon taxes beer at the highest rate in the country now...

[Killian]

I'm boycotting with the wallet. I'll still wear my gear and cheer like hell, but they won't get a penny of my money or get me on campus.

[TheJON]

I'm boycotting with the wallet. I'll still wear my gear and cheer like hell, but they won't get a penny of my money or get me on campus.

I get that, and I'm not ripping on you, but isn't that hard to do? Like I said, I strongly encourage Royals fans to boycott but man I'm addicted to going to games!! I just can't bring myself to not attend games.

Same with Iowa basketball. We're terrible right now without much hope for the near future, but I'll still get to my usual 4-5 games because I love going to Hawkeye basketball and don't think I could not attend a game for an entire year even if I tried.

But that's just me.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Much of this had to do with the last administration but if this one proves to be as nutless as the last, I will do the same things if they don't appear to want to succeed at the highest level.

I sincerely doubt ND has ever not wanted to succeed at the highest level. They have made some poor personnel decisions and some of the recruiting classes haven't panned out, but that'll happen.

I question whether less support and booster dollars truly helps a program, especially when good coaches don't come cheap these days. This may not be the case in pro sports, where some team owners don't care how the team is doing as long as they're profiting, but ND will always be committed to winning...or trying to win.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Much of this had to do with the last administration but if this one proves to be as nutless as the last, I will do the same things if they don't appear to want to succeed at the highest level.

I sincerely doubt ND has ever not wanted to succeed at the highest level. They have made some poor personnel decisions and some of the recruiting classes haven't panned out, but that'll happen.

I question whether less support and booster dollars truly helps a program, especially when good coaches don't come cheap these days. This may not be the case in pro sports, where some team owners don't care how the team is doing as long as they're profiting, but ND will always be committed to winning...or trying to win.

I get what you're saying, and I don't disagree. But at the same time, I think you might be picking around the edges of Killian's wording more than anything else. Allow me to explain.

Around the time I graduated, the NCAA passed a measure, I think it was called Proposition 48. Under that rule, student-athletes had to have test scores above a certain minimum and high school GPA's above a certain minimum in core subjects. A player who failed to meet those requirements could be admitted, but would lose their first year of eligibility. For most kids, the problem was the test scores -- high schools had a way of inflating grades to benefit the student in question, who often would be the school's celebrity. ND took a few kids who were Prop 48'ers. I know for a fact that Father Malloy was mortified by that, and decided that it would stop. Maybe a noble stance in principle, but in hindsight it was not the most well-reasoned decision he came up with. Among the group of Prop 48'ers who got in before Malloy was President were Tony Rice and Chris Zorich, both of whom turned out to be outstanding ambassadors of Notre Dame's football program.

There was also the unfortunate choice of wording Father Malloy used when he once referred to Stanford as one of Notre Dame's "aspirational peers." Don't get me wrong, there's nothing in the world wrong with wanting your school to be the best academic institution it possibly can be. But many took that as a statement that Malloy would willingly sacrifice the football program -- one of the elements of Notre Dame with which the public most closely identifies it -- in order to improve ND's USN&WR rankings. I happen to agree that such a conclusion takes Malloy's statement WAAAAY out of context, but certainly he could have chosen his wording better.

On a more concrete level, Malloy's two AD hirings left much to be desired. His first (Wadsworth) was a C-, graded on a curve. His second (White) was an unmitigated disaster at ND, F-.

Underpinning all of this was the sentiment among many that ND's football program was being sold out by, of all things, one of its own (Malloy was a monogram winner as a student at ND, albeit in basketball rather than in football. Fwiw, Wadsworth also was a monogram winner as a student at ND, in football.) I personally wouldn't go quite that far, but Malloy's stewardship of the athletic department in general, and of the football program in particular, was not nearly as effective as it could have been.

[SoCalTrjn]

Said I didnt go up to LA to attend the games, didnt say that I didnt watch the games or continue to root for my team.
Every year Galen has been open the Cardinal and Gold have sent me tickets to basketball games and Im not ever going to go to a single one of them, I sent the first few back and said Ill never go to a basketball game, the ones they have sent since have gone in to the trash.
I had to buy the season tickets every year to keep the seats that I had, because I continued to buy those seats in the 90's I have been rewarded with the great seats I have now. The only way the Athletic Department knows that theyre doing a poor job is by seeing empty seats, not going to the games is one of the few bits of leverage a fan or booster can have. Not going to games for the betterment of the program is just one other thing that we wont see eye to eye on.
I guess I shouldnt tell you that before I was coaching my sons Pop Warner teams I would leave the sidelines of games that were being poorly coached and the team was losing. This year theyre in different divisions and Im coaching the defense of my younger sons team, if I go to one of my older sons games and theyre beeing poorly coached and are half assing it out there and losing, I'll probably leave again. if you want 100% support you have to show 100% effort

[socal]

if you want 100% support you have to show 100% effort

We're here to support you in your 100% effort at 2009 Bitchdom.

[TheJON]

if I go to one of my older sons games and theyre beeing poorly coached and are half assing it out there and losing, I'll probably leave again.

I just want to say that if you're being serious I sincerely hope your kids go Menendez on you someday. You're a piece of garbage. Please go run in traffic and end your pathetic fucking life. That's pathetic. Never post on here again, please.

[Cornhusker]

FeCal avgd 61,632 fans in a 9 win season in 2008, 85.6% of the stadiums capacity. in 2007 they avgd 63,136, 87.6% of the stadiums capacity, but the Tennessee and USC games both brought more than the 72,000 fans Memorial Stadium reportedly holds.
FeCal also has over 25,000 undergrad students
USC has been at 94 and 95% capacity of a 92,000 seat stadium the last 2 seasons with an undergrad student body of 16,000 students.
Ill admit that when "he whose name we dont say" was still coaching USC, my family didnt use our season seats, we had better things to do than watch that boob ruin the program. We still bought season seats just didnt go to the games. The last few years I have been given tickets to basketball games through Cardinal and Gold and we haven't gone to any of those games either. Im not going to drive 90 minutes north of here to watch something I dont enjoy, makes me a bad booster of my schools program, oh well.

We have sold out 300 straight games....even during losing seasons. Carry on.

what else are you going to do there?

Well there ain't shit to do here Schmick, ya got that right. We do get to play in a winter wonderland 3 months a year.
I really do enjoy seasonal change, how's that work out there? Rain=mudslides followed by fires? That's 'bout it, right?

But here's a few things we don't do:
1. Sit in traffic with the snobbiest assholes G0d put on this planet
2. Breath smog
3. Required to learn Spanish to communicate with the populas
4. Pay $275K for an 1000 sq. foot cave on a postage stamp lot
5. Daily gang shootings

I do need to ask, can you truthfully tell me from either your front yard or your back yard, see the sunrise and/or set on the horizon? That is to say at earth or sea level. Be truthful now.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

if I go to one of my older sons games and theyre beeing poorly coached and are half assing it out there and losing, I'll probably leave again.

I just want to say that if you're being serious I sincerely hope your kids go Menendez on you someday. You're a piece of garbage. Please go run in traffic and end your pathetic fucking life. That's pathetic. Never post on here again, please.

[SoCalTrjn]

Well there ain't shit to do here Schmick, ya got that right. We do get to play in a winter wonderland 3 months a year.
I really do enjoy seasonal change, how's that work out there? Rain=mudslides followed by fires? That's 'bout it, right?

But here's a few things we don't do:
1. Sit in traffic with the snobbiest assholes G0d put on this planet
2. Breath smog
3. Required to learn Spanish to communicate with the populas
4. Pay $275K for an 1000 sq. foot cave on a postage stamp lot
5. Daily gang shootings

I do need to ask, can you truthfully tell me from either your front yard or your back yard, see the sunrise and/or set on the horizon? That is to say at earth or sea level. Be truthful now.

1. Toll road to get to where I live and to where I work, not much traffic on it
2. I live along the coast, smog isnt an issue down here, in the inland valleys they have smog, our air is as clean as anywhere else in the nation.
3. If they dont speak English, I dont communicate with them
4. I paid more than that but have a 35,000 sq ft lot
5. yeah the crips here in Coto are taking over the place. very few gang shootings anywhere in Southern Californina anymore and the ones that there are, theyre just the hispanics in parts of town no one else ventures in to.


I can see the sun rise over a mountain and set in to the ocean from my balconies. From my yard the sun sets in to a wall around my backyard/pool

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Christ Toejam, you are one dull, literal, humorless fuck.

[Van]

I don't believe a word of socaltrjn's Patton-esque diatribes. It's all one big troll.

[SoCalTrjn]

Nope, I have no problem walking away from a game that is being poorly played and coached. My only hope for that team is that most of those kids are ones I coached before and they will nut up and give 110% for eachother regardless of the pussyfooting mentality of that glorified soccer coach that was given the reigns to that divisions team.
No bull in the ring, no push ups for missed tackles during drills, no running laps holding hands for fucking around on line, hes too soft for football and should be coaching girls soccer. they spent 20 mins at the end of practice tonight learning to clap together, the only clapping that needs to be done on the grid is when you make the enemy player in the other colored shirt blow snot bubbles and cry to his mommy

[socal]

Christ Toejam, you are one dull, literal, humorless fuck.

I think Schmick must be mvscal's retarded little brother.

We're seeing the aftermath of all the brotherly love taps on his dome that turned his brain into concussed jelly.