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Also a fan of the Nebraska possibility. Would be a Penn State-esque addition to the conference, at least in terms of football. Seems like every other team mentioned thus far just doesn't quite have that spark.

Nebraska to the Big 10 has the Huskers kissing good-bye to recruiting Texas (and Oklahoma, for that matter, a state from which they've pulled some good players). with in-roads from Boo Blake, and Pelini having been at OU and LSU and a limited Nebraska in-state base (even more now than 15 years ago)...they aren't giving that up.

I think it's next to impossible.

to cornhusker's sentiments about the Texas conference experience.....imagine if you bordered and played those cats for the last 100+ years. tell OU fan something we don't know. how'dja like playing UT on a "neutral field" in Dallas....? like i say, about 80 years of that for the Sooners. i'm surprised UT didn't at least get 1 or 2 "free firstdowns" on 3rd down with the inevitable personal foul call whenever Colt gets hit or touched going OOB....that's money in the bank. anybody w/in 5 yards of Shipley has probably committed PI, better throw the flag and keep that Texas drive alive. but, i guess Ulatowski holding on every play and no holding calls in the game was enough.

i overstate somewhat for effect.

It's somewhat amazing to me to read a Husker fan pining for Big 10 membership...with the motivation being avoiding conference homer officiating. My friend, the Big 10 invented "result-oriented officiating"...

PSUFAN wrote:It's somewhat amazing to me to read a Husker fan pining for Big 10 membership...with the motivation being avoiding conference homer officiating. My friend, the Big 10 invented "result-oriented officiating"...

You Penn State fans are ridiculous.

King Crimson wrote:Nebraska to the Big 10 has the Huskers kissing good-bye to recruiting Texas (and Oklahoma, for that matter)

And that is a concern.

but, i guess Ulatowski holding on every play and no holding calls in the game was enough.

Some states would give you 3-5 for the.... ummmm blocking technics, Texas's O-line was employing.

Screw_Michigan wrote:I like the Nebraska to the Big 11 idea as well.

Hell no. I have to deal with annoying Husker fans enough as it is. If we actually have to play them yearly I might end up shooting h4ever!

Texas has a better chance of getting an invite from the Big 10 than Nebraska does. Your education level is on par with Iowa State and Missouri. No way in hell would the Big 10 take the corn. Level playing field in the Big 10 involves academic excellence and that is not Nebraska.

If Nebraska wants out of the Big 12 about it's best chance is the MWC or WAC, I'm guaranteeing it will not be the Big 10.

Texas will be launching their own sports channel very soon and when that happens We will be bringing in some mad cash just having it picked up in Houston Dallas San Antonio Austin and the Satellite broadcasters. Soon we will be closing in the other side of the stadium and that will be seating around 120K

I can actually see Texas going independent in the near future and keeping all the money from bowl games. If that were to happen don't be surprised to see Texas get a TV deal much like the one Notre Dame has, our ratings in just the state are enough to garner a sizable contract with one of the major networks.

Vito Corleone wrote: I can actually see Texas going independent in the near future...

what's with you delusional fucks and succession?

From a football standpoint, I like the Nebraska to the Big Ten scenario. It's the only scenario that allows the Big Ten to split along its natural geographic lines -- east and west -- and still maintain some balance within the divisions:

East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue
West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

However, I question whether Nebraska meets the academic requirements the Big Ten is looking for. I'm also not sure that they bring a lot to the table from an athletic standpoint beyond football.

As for Texas going independent, as a ND fan I'd love to see it happen but I doubt it will. I doubt even more that they'd get a national TV deal.

Sudden Sam wrote:What will the Big Ten call itself if it goes to 12?

the meatgrinder.

we probably should. it's a lot easier for us to to buy the likes of wisconsin or iowa as a tough out than that shit you guys feed us about kentucky or mississippi state.

actually, if we steal nebraska or mizzou from the big xii then we'll probably just swap conference names.

BlindRef wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:It's somewhat amazing to me to read a Husker fan pining for Big 10 membership...with the motivation being avoiding conference homer officiating. My friend, the Big 10 invented "result-oriented officiating"...

You Penn State fans are ridiculous.

Dude, you have to admit that the Big 10 officials really rode the struggle bus this year.

Sudden Sam wrote:Yeah. Delaney's right.

The SEC championship game has just drained the life outta Alabama-Auburn.

It has, actually. That game has been greatly diminished by the fact that a much more important game is played the following week.

Sudden Sam wrote:What will the Big Ten call itself if it goes to 12?

Ten Times One Plus Two

sin -

Sam, that's nonsense. If Bama loses to Auburn yet beats Florida a week later, it's not the end of the world. If Bama beats Auburn and loses to Florida, it pretty much ends the season for Bama fan.

Before the advent of the CCG, the Auburn game defined the season. Now the result of the CCG does. You can talk about 'state bragging rights' all you want, but had Florida beaten the Tide you'd feel nothing but disappointment right now. That win over Auburn wouldn't provide anywhere near the solace it would have in years past.

minorthreat wrote:As a Cyclone fan, I would love to be in the Big 10. The Big 12 is basically run by the Texas teams, the tv contract is a joke, and the revenue sharing is poor. I can see why most of you don't think it makes much sense but I would be all for it.

You think the Big 12 revenue sharing is poor? Would you suggest the SEC format instead? ISU would be bankrupt in the AD within half a decade if that were the case.

Sudden Sam wrote:Coulda been worse, Wags. I started to compare Missouri with Kentucky. But Kentucky has a great basketball program... You've had some decent basketball teams. BTW, the state of Alabama says you're welcome for sending you one of your best players from last year.

Baseball? Bama's got you beat there. Now, if y'all have a great volleyball team or archery squad that I'm not aware of, congrats. But Missouri would contribute nothing to the Big 10. I believe Northwestern has a pretty good school of journalism, doesn't it?

Did that low-life, thieving, money-worshipping, POS charlatan Oral Roberts go to school in Columbia?

You're a moron Sam.. mizzou dwarfs Bama in academic prestige. It's basketball program, like most schools, would embarrass Bama's tradition.

Secondly, Wal Mart helps bank roll Misery.... Bama has nothing donor wise that even remotely compares to that kind of money, absolutely nothing.

Last but not least the Big Televen is a huge wrestling conference. Probably the conference's 4th biggest sport behind football and the basketball programs. Wrestling was the deciding factor in the end that put Penn State over the top joining the Big Televen. Mizzou has a pretty good wrestling program at that.

War Wagon wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:I believe Northwestern has a pretty good school of journalism, doesn't it?

So does Mizzou... but I don't have to prove anything to you.

You're sitting back calling Mizzou a nowhere, nothing school, all the while licking the taint of Alabama. That's hilarious, in a pot calling the kettle black kinda' way.

Mizzou has one of the best Mass Comm and Journalism schools in the county... in fact I'd go as far to say that there isn't another public University that compares to their academic program in those fields in the entire country.

Sam you've gobne over the deep end the last few weeks... you should just stick to trying to validate mythical national championships from 8-2 seasons where you finished 3rd in your conference from now on.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:However, I question whether Nebraska meets the academic requirements the Big Ten is looking for. I'm also not sure that they bring a lot to the table from an athletic standpoint beyond football

That may be true, but Missouri ranks behind NU in the latest USN&WR rankings, Missouri 102, Nebraska 96. Yes tied with 'Bama. So if the discussion between those 2 schools to the Big 10 is the issue, it's a wash academically.
FWIW Iowa, Indiana, and Mich St. come in at 71.

Texas going independent? Link?

Heard much about the Cable channel, but zero about them going independent. Don't believe it for a minute.

Left Seater wrote:Texas going independent? Link?

Heard much about the Cable channel, but zero about them going independent. Don't believe it for a minute.

It won't happen because of all of the other sports. That's what was killing ND for a long time, and partially led to their basketball program being so awful. They finally found a stoodge partner that took them on in all sports sans football. If Texas could convince the Big 12 of that deal, more power to them.

Alright....

Mizzou, Neb, or ISU goes to the Big 10. Arkansas goes to the Big XII. FSU joins the SEC. Bowden never watches college football ever again.

Mr T wrote:Alright....

Arkansas goes to the Big XII.

never happen. Arkie already had their fill of being in the Texas based SWC once....and were happier than a more than proverbial pig in shit to leave it.

Cornhusker wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:However, I question whether Nebraska meets the academic requirements the Big Ten is looking for. I'm also not sure that they bring a lot to the table from an athletic standpoint beyond football

That may be true, but Missouri ranks behind NU in the latest USN&WR rankings, Missouri 102, Nebraska 96. Yes tied with 'Bama. So if the discussion between those 2 schools to the Big 10 is the issue, it's a wash academically.
FWIW Iowa, Indiana, and Mich St. come in at 71.

Believe the Heupel wrote:

You're a moron Sam.. mizzou dwarfs Bama in academic prestige.

Latest USN&WR rankings, Missouri 102, Alabama 96.

Alabama's acceptance rate was about 61% last year. Missouri's was 85%.

I have a female who graduated from Missouri and two guys, one of which who graduated in the top 5% of his class, from Alabama that are going through their requisite 2 year training under me before they become state certified... this girl runs rings around them both (combined) in her ability to grasp concepts and in the level of work she presents. I could give a shit about what USN&WR states in it's college guide as compared to what I experience as a business owner who has employed and trained people from both institutions. I've had five trainees over the years who have degrees from Bama (sort of comes with the territory in this part of the world) and none of them are even comparable to the Mizzou female.

I don't mean to knock where you're going for your grad school BtH, that isn't my intention by any means but just going from what I have experienced I have yet to have a trainee that went to Bama that I was willing to give a raise from their 55% commission to 60-65% to retain them after they were finished training. The Misery Girl I will happily part with 70% to retain after her time is up without a second thought.

Left Seater wrote:Texas going independent? Link?

Heard much about the Cable channel, but zero about them going independent. Don't believe it for a minute.

There is no link this is just speculation, Texas has enough of a national following that they could actually do it, but there are a lot of politics in doing something like that. For the 5th straight year Texas leads the nation in merchandise sales. It's amazing the places I see people sporting Texas gear.

Sudden Sam wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote: Sam you've gobne over the deep end the last few weeks... you should just stick to trying to validate mythical national championships from 8-2 seasons where you finished 3rd in your conference from now on.

:D

I thought you were parodying Wags at first!

You mean like...

1926... Four undefeated teams... Lafayette only gave up three touchdowns the entire season despite playing three top 20 teams. Navy and Army both went undefeated tying each other Both defeated three top 20 teams. Alabama played one top 20 team all season long and won by one point at home. Michigan was a one loss team who lost to Navy but beat four other top 10 teams including both Ohio State and Minnesota on the road... Army and Navy were the clear cut best two teams in the country.

1934 When Minnesota received all but two votes in the first AP poll (only two voters who didn't choose them resided in Alabama) and only gave up two touchdowns all season long despite playing four teams in the top 10 of the country.

1941... 9-2 Alabama who lost to both Mississippi State and Vanderbilt, finished behind both in the SEC (tied for third) and 20th in the country in the AP poll behind three other teams in the conference much less the other 16 across the country. Both Minnesota and Duke were undefeated at 10-0. :doh:

1964... Only undefeated team in the country was Arkansas. Texas defeated the Tide in their bowl game; the same Texas team that undefeated Arkansas beat in Austin. Yet Bama tries to claim they were the national champs that season.

1973 - Notre Fucking Dame, Undefeated, SUGAR BOWL CHAMPIONS over Buma... Period, end of story.

You want to count National titles Bama style... Congrats on being behind Notre Dame (19 NTs), Oklahoma (16 NTs), MIchigan (15 NTs), Ohio State (15 NTs), USC (14 NTs).

Got 16?

Vito Corleone wrote:

Left Seater wrote:Texas going independent? Link?

Heard much about the Cable channel, but zero about them going independent. Don't believe it for a minute.

There is no link this is just speculation, Texas has enough of a national following that they could actually do it, but there are a lot of politics in doing something like that. For the 5th straight year Texas leads the nation in merchandise sales. It's amazing the places I see people sporting Texas gear.

just because you see some joe in a UT hat outside your time zone does not equal a national *marketable* demographic that can pull enough ratings to justify or compensate for the absence of conference revenue. i don't think at this point any Big 10, SEC, or Pac 10 fans are going to choose to watch Texas over their local team and conference race....in the Chicago, Atlanta or Seattle markets....NY/NJ eastern seaboard etc. typically, you over-estimate your importance. #1 in merchandise sales is a false positive. some team is going to lead in merchandise purchased and does not suggest the corollary that this team (any team) could make a reasonable go at being an independent. these are things that are qualitatively different. just because every yahoo in Texas buys UT stuff when they are winning down at the Quick Trip off the interstate....hardly provides the financial argument for UT going indie.

King Crimson wrote:

Vito Corleone wrote:

Left Seater wrote:Texas going independent? Link?

Heard much about the Cable channel, but zero about them going independent. Don't believe it for a minute.

There is no link this is just speculation, Texas has enough of a national following that they could actually do it, but there are a lot of politics in doing something like that. For the 5th straight year Texas leads the nation in merchandise sales. It's amazing the places I see people sporting Texas gear.

just because you see some joe in a UT hat outside your time zone does not equal a national *marketable* demographic that can pull enough ratings to justify or compensate for the absence of conference revenue. i don't think at this point any Big 10, SEC, or Pac 10 fans are going to choose to watch Texas over their local team and conference race....in the Chicago, Atlanta or Seattle markets....NY/NJ eastern seaboard etc. typically, you over-estimate your importance. #1 in merchandise sales is a false positive. some team is going to lead in merchandise purchased and does not suggest the corollary that this team (any team) could make a reasonable go at being an independent. these are things that are qualitatively different. just because every yahoo in Texas buys UT stuff when they are winning down at the Quick Trip off the interstate....hardly provides the financial argument for UT going indie.

Your right, I guess the Dallas Cowboys, LA Lakers and the NY Yankees aren't as popular around the nation as they think they are. I see Texas gear all over Calgary AB, San Diego CA, SLC Utah, and even in Chicago Il. I bet if I were to go to NYC or Boston, or Atlanta I would still see lots of people with Texas gear.

Texas has a huge national following, that is why a team like Wyoming calls the Texas game the biggest game they ever hosted.

If/when Texas creates it's own network it might not get picked up by cable TV franchises in New York or Chicago, but you can damn sure believe that it will get picked up in Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso, Lubbock, Corpus Christi, Tyler TX and every other place in the state. And it likely will get picked up by Directv and Dish Network. The fact is the only thing keeping Texas in a conference is we are getting our way on a lot of important issues and the system is working in our favor.

When it stops working in our favor is when you will see Texas make a move.

you are saying Texas is on par with arguably the 3 best, most successful franchises in pro sports on a national level? Championships, fan appeal? Lol. Texas isn't even the best CFB program of all-time, the last 10 years, the last 30 years, you name it.

and then you tell me getting the Corpus Christi market on the Dish will make UT a national player as an Independent. so, you are back to making a regional argument....and a pretty hilarious, contradictory one at that. I'm sure the CFO's nation-wide will be lining up once that Corpus Christi market is on board.

you see Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Nebraska, Alabama, Michigan, Penn State gear all over the world. Tell me you knew?

Funny, I've lived in various parts of the upper midwest most of my life and have yet to see this rabid UT following.

Vito Corleone wrote:Your right, I guess the Dallas Cowboys, LA Lakers and the NY Yankees aren't as popular around the nation as they think they are. I see Texas gear all over Calgary AB, San Diego CA, SLC Utah, and even in Chicago Il. I bet if I were to go to NYC or Boston, or Atlanta I would still see lots of people with Texas gear.

Texas has a huge national following, that is why a team like Wyoming calls the Texas game the biggest game they ever hosted.

If/when Texas creates it's own network it might not get picked up by cable TV franchises in New York or Chicago, but you can damn sure believe that it will get picked up in Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso, Lubbock, Corpus Christi, Tyler TX and every other place in the state. And it likely will get picked up by Directv and Dish Network. The fact is the only thing keeping Texas in a conference is we are getting our way on a lot of important issues and the system is working in our favor.

When it stops working in our favor is when you will see Texas make a move.

Texas has a watch party at the local sports bar on the island affiliated with alumni association... sometimes they're even able to fill up a whole table.

The other conference schools have already basically said no dice on the football game being permanently in Dallas, the other conference schools have pretty made clear that OKC will start hosting the basketball tournament more often than any Texas venue. The conference has already agreed to start sharing it's and their officials with two other conferences so we can all the texsucks homers out of meddling with conference games. How's that whole pretty much getting your way again?

King Crimson wrote:you are saying Texas is on par with arguably the 3 best, most successful franchises in pro sports on a national level? Championships, fan appeal? Lol. Texas isn't even the best CFB program of all-time, the last 10 years, the last 30 years, you name it.

and then you tell me getting the Corpus Christi market on the Dish will make UT a national player as an Independent. so, you are back to making a regional argument....and a pretty hilarious, contradictory one at that. I'm sure the CFO's nation-wide will be lining up once that Corpus Christi market is on board.

you see Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Nebraska, Alabama, Michigan, Penn State gear all over the world. Tell me you knew?

What does the NY Yankees, LA Lakers, Dallas Cowboys, and Texas Longhorns all have in common? They all lead their respective leagues in merchandise sales. End of discussion.

I find it funny that you think Corpus Chrisi equates with making Texas an independent. No I think Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio will make Texas a national player as a independent. You see that's 24 million individuals in Texas will have access watching Texas football, not to mention all the national people who will watch the nationally televised games and those that have Dish will likely get the channel as well.

We already blow every other school out of the water in revenue and we are the winningest BCS program this decade.

I don't think you "blow every other school out of the water" when it comes to revenue. I believe the last report had you at about $2 million more than the next closest school.

And you still haven't addressed the biggest hurdle about going independent. What would happen to the rest of your sports? Many schools could handle the football only independent route, but the other programs cannot.

another reason the merchandise thing is a false positive is that it neglects to account for the concentration of those sales. a more telling metric would be who leads in merchandise sales outside their home bases. don't assume texas has national appeal because a billion people live there. people outside of texas just don't care about your football team unless they emigrated.

also, your comparisons to the yankees and lakers are laughable, let alone the basis for EOD. they're professional franchises competing against 20-something other teams, while there are over 100 teams in d1 football. there are wide swaths of the country without a professional team; people are looking for teams to adopt. that's not the case in cf.

good to see the return of austin jill, though.

Killian wrote:I don't think you "blow every other school out of the water" when it comes to revenue. I believe the last report had you at about $2 million more than the next closest school.

And you still haven't addressed the biggest hurdle about going independent. What would happen to the rest of your sports? Many schools could handle the football only independent route, but the other programs cannot.

Not even that... they make roughly $100,000 more than Ohio State. I think it was three other schools within $1M of the Longhorns (sorry I'm not looking up that shit again).

We had this conversation a few days/weeks ago... txangler said he read it in the Stateman and provided a link for me... After I read the article I showed how the Statesman didn't even get Texas revenue correct (they actually made more). They used 2008 numbers for only Texas and 2005 numbers for all other programs to try and show the Bonghorns as $20M superior to every other football program in America which was laughable. I cited Forbes, the AP, and Equity in Athletics which all disproved the Statesman's claims.

As far as national exposure goes Texas wouldn't even be shown in this area at all at any sports bar if it wasn't for the Nebraska and Oklahoma fan's at Angler's asking for it to be put up; the owner and Manager have both already stated as much because of how few fans they bring in and it being regional coverage... they put it up because their bread and butter are the Tennessee and Bama clubs upstairs, the Nebraska and Oklahoma Clubs upstairs, and Florida downstairs. BWW is dominated by Ohio State and Michigan because the owners are Ohio State people. O'Quigley's is strictly SEC. Those are the only three sports bars in the area. This is just one area I know but I travel quite a bit and I see more Michigan and Ohio State bumper stickers across the country than anyone else's by far and away.

Vito Corleone wrote:The fact is the only thing keeping Texas in a conference is we are getting our way on a lot of important issues and the system is working in our favor.

When it stops working in our favor is when you will see Texas make a move.

Where to?

Back to the SWAC? Arkansas misses you.

Do other Texas fans here even claim you?

Sucks for Prime, Harv, camp, and BXII BSH everywhere, but right about now we're really gonna' enjoy it when Alabama crushes your hopes and dreams.

War Wagon wrote:

Vito Corleone wrote:The fact is the only thing keeping Texas in a conference is we are getting our way on a lot of important issues and the system is working in our favor.

When it stops working in our favor is when you will see Texas make a move.

Where to?

Back to the SWAC? Arkansas misses you.

Do other Texas fans here even claim you?

Sucks for Prime, Harv, camp, and BXII BSH everywhere, but right about now we're really gonna' enjoy it when Alabama crushes your hopes and dreams.

Texas is now on par with Notre Dame in the 60s so they're going to go independent like the Golden domers... Just ask vincent.

I'd love to see it happen... that way texass would become irrelevant like they were the previous decade to the Big 8 saving their broke ass conference.

Nebraska was right and we should have listened back in the 90s, these fucks have an overinflated sense of self worth. Donnie Duncan sold our souls to the fucking devil so that he could secure a prime spot in the conference offices knowing that Oklahoma was soon to show him the door for the idiocy that was his reign as athletic director.

SunCoastSooner wrote:these fucks prime

Ouch. I'm not even arguing here. Leave me be.

PrimeX wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:these fucks prime

Ouch. I'm not even arguing here. Leave me be.

I'm talking about the typical myopic vincent/hornsfans idiot who really believes shit like the AAS prints using Texass 2008 revenue versus every other colleges 2005 revenue as proof of Texas national worship. There isn't a Texas fan alive with an IQ above that of a mentally retarded middle schooler who doesn't realize after the last 15 years of the SWC that Texas not only needs a conference but needs to be in a major conference to remain both successful and relevant.

SunCoastSooner wrote: I'd love to see it happen... that way texass would become irrelevant like they were the previous decade to the Big 8 saving their broke ass conference.

Yeah, but unfortunately Vito isn't the chancellor or even the AD, so that's probably not gonna' happen. They really aren't that stupid in Austin, are they?

Texas wasn't shit before they merged with the 8, and now they're talking shit. Hilarious.

We absorbed Baylor for their sake, and this is the thanks we get?

We didn't need these sluts, they needed us. I still can't believe we reached down and picked these worthless bitches out the gutter.

Vito Corleone wrote: I find it funny that you think Corpus Chrisi equates with making Texas an independent. .