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If we're forming absolutes based on one game - one bowl game - then we can conclude that Bama would not have won the MWC last year despite going undefeated in the SEC's regular season.

Wags, you think four-loss, no offense havin' Nebraska beats out TCU or Boise for the North...this year?? How? Nebraska lost at home to Iowa St. Nebraska couldn't score against either Boise or TCU.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure TCU or Boise wins the North, and they finish no worse than second in the South, or either division of the SEC. Definitely not "mid-pack," which is where Sam has 'em.

Van wrote:Nebraska couldn't score against either Boise or TCU.

Maybe, maybe not... but neither could score off Nebraska, that's for damn sure.

What became apparent watching those two teams last night was the lack of size each has. Nebraska would kick the living shit out of either of them, just like they did Arizona.

The Iowa State game was a fluke, btw. It took 8 turnovers for them to lose by 1. Other than that, they lost a game they had won at Va Tech on a hail mary, the loss to Texas, and one other, I forget who, Taco Tech maybe.

Sudden Sam wrote:

PrimeX wrote:Sam just getting worked in this thread.

And how is that?

Seems to me I've pretty much been right. Where have I been worked?

The TCU team that SCS was suggesting was better than Texas and had relegated the BCS title game to meaningless status looked like shit last night against an opponent that ran the table against powerhouses like Miami (OH), UC-Davis, Idaho, Utah State and New Mexico State. The Fiesta Bowl was two teams that played nobody...and neither looked good. Granted that can happen after a month layoff, but were these teams national champion caliber? I think not.

One more time, for the slow among you: neither BSU nor TCU could go thru an SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, etc. schedule and remain undefeated. Even the weak sisters in a BCS league would inflict damage on each of those teams. They weren't that good. They proved it last night.

Maybe we can start an Alabama-Texas thread before the game. I know...I inserted the TCU bashing. I was at fault.

I love to see the "little guys" do well. Nothing better than seeing a Boise State or TCU among the top ten. But next time, let's do it against a schedule that is a little more representative of a D1 team.

Please recall that that didn't work out too well for BSU in 2005. The Broncos were ranked #18 when they went into Athens and got battered by a Georgia (#13) team with a first-time starter at QB and a rebuilt defense, 38-13. It was 38-0 at one point. I don't think any school is afraid to schedule them or TCU.


Any more predictions for the score of the BCS title game?

Bullshit, neither looked good... are you a fucking moron? Go back and read the Fiesta bowl thread. Everyone who watched the game in here sure as was impressed with the team speed, especially on defense, of both teams. Dalton, the QB for TCU, probably had one of the worst games of the season. His WRs also didn't help him much dropping balls. TCU's offensive staff simply got out coached in the end though. Their game plan was terrible and let themselves get away from what had gotten them there in the first place.

Van wrote:Sam, "not going undefeated" isn't the same thing as being "mid-pack," which is where you said TCU or Boise would be in any BCS conference. If you gave TCU or Boise either the Gator or Longhorn schedules they not only wouldn't be mid-pack, they likely run the table.

There is no way either team doesn't win the Big XII North, and they come in no worse than second in the Big XII South or either division of the SEC. Who were they going to finish behind? Nebraska? Georgia? These are four-loss teams, who lost both in-conference and OOC games.

The whole "week in, week out meatgrinder" argument holds no water when all you're faced with each week are patsies like S. Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi St, Vandy, Arkansas, etc. These are not good teams. Take away their lame OOC schedules and they're not even .500 teams. Fuck, even Auburn only went 4-5 in games that mattered.

Playing in the SEC this year wasn't the least bit difficult, unlesss you were Kentucky. Florida? They played nobody, in conference or OOC. They played a one game schedule, with their lone game being the roadie against meh LSU.

Texas played nobody. Their only game was a wash-out, when everyone for OU got hurt. Even so, they nearly lost to the only two teams with any D they played all season long, and neither of those teams had any offense.

The thing I don't get, Sam, is how you keep admitting that the SEC was down this year, yet you still somehow keep acting like an SEC schedule was so tough. If the conference is down, and they don't play anybody OOC, then where are these tough schedules? If you're not forced to play Bama and Florida, what was so tough about an SEC schedule this year? More to the point, what was so tough about a Florida schedule, since they got to avoid both Bama and Florida while playing nobody OOC. Who on the Texas schedule would've beaten TCU?

Mid-pack? Nonsense. They finish no worse than second.

Rack... Alabama and Texas still don't overly impress me compared to either of those teams last night. I never argued for BSU because they did play a much weaker schedule... TCU didn't though; the MWC still has a better bowl record than the SEC even with TCU's loss.

War Wagon wrote:

Van wrote:Nebraska couldn't score against either Boise or TCU.

Maybe, maybe not... but neither could score off Nebraska, that's for damn sure.

What became apparent watching those two teams last night was the lack of size each has. Nebraska would kick the living shit out of either of them, just like they did Arizona.

The Iowa State game was a fluke, btw. It took 8 turnovers for them to lose by 1. Other than that, they lost a game they had won at Va Tech on a hail mary, the loss to Texas, and one other, I forget who, Taco Tech maybe.

Taco Tech pounded Nebraska like a slut after homecoming and they are no bigger and certainly not faster than BSU or TCU... just sayin'.

Sudden Sam wrote:Van,

The schedule Florida played...or Texas...is still far tougher than the schedules that TCU and BSU played. Even with the conferences being "down", the games against the likes of LSU, Mississippi, Auburn, even Arkansas...and Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, etc...were far tougher than anything on TCU's or Boise's schedules. How anyone can look at Boise's and TCU's schedules and not laugh is beyond me.

My point being that, though they were decent teams (although you'd never know it from last night's game), neither could negotiate an 8 game schedule thru most any other conference without several losses.

No it was tougher than BSU's... TCU's waas definitely tougher than Florida's and basically even with Bama's. Yeah that's why TCU was the only team in their conference who lost a bowl game... you're a fucking moron. You couldn't evaluate a football team if the Russian mafia was holding a gun to your head pregame and demanding a winner; you'd end up with your brains splattered all over some street in rural Alabama. All the empirical evidence such as the pick 'ems and postings backs this up as well. You repeatedly prove to us you wouldn't recognize a superior or less superior team if you had three tutors and Vegas odds maker holding your hand through the process.

War Wagon wrote:

Van wrote:Nebraska couldn't score against either Boise or TCU.

Maybe, maybe not... but neither could score off Nebraska, that's for damn sure.

What became apparent watching those two teams last night was the lack of size each has. Nebraska would kick the living shit out of either of them, just like they did Arizona.

The Iowa State game was a fluke, btw. It took 8 turnovers for them to lose by 1. Other than that, they lost a game they had won at Va Tech on a hail mary, the loss to Texas, and one other, I forget who, Taco Tech maybe.

Thanks Wags, saved me some typin'. And yes Taco Tech was the only real game we got "beat."
The ISU game.. NU turned the ball over INSIDE ISU'S 9 yard line 4 times!

I didn't watch last nights game from a homerism stand point, I wanted to see if TCU was as good as advertised. I saw them early in the season. That team wouldn't beat NU even with our pathetic offense, although NU put 33 on the #10 overall defense in the nation from the vaunted PAC 10. All offensive points. Did you catch that game Van, or just decide it was a PAC 10 mulligan in the box score?

TCU couldn't run a lick on freekin' Boise St; they'd be a candidate for negative yards rushing against Nebraska.

Cornhusker wrote:

War Wagon wrote:

Van wrote:Nebraska couldn't score against either Boise or TCU.

Maybe, maybe not... but neither could score off Nebraska, that's for damn sure.

What became apparent watching those two teams last night was the lack of size each has. Nebraska would kick the living shit out of either of them, just like they did Arizona.

The Iowa State game was a fluke, btw. It took 8 turnovers for them to lose by 1. Other than that, they lost a game they had won at Va Tech on a hail mary, the loss to Texas, and one other, I forget who, Taco Tech maybe.

Thanks Wags, saved me some typin'. And yes Taco Tech was the only real game we got "beat."
The ISU game.. NU turned the ball over INSIDE ISU'S 9 yard line 4 times!

I didn't watch last nights game from a homerism stand point, I wanted to see if TCU was as good as advertised. I saw them early in the season. That team wouldn't beat NU even with our pathetic offense, although NU put 33 on the #10 overall defense in the nation from the vaunted PAC 10. All offensive points. Did you catch that game Van, or just decide it was a PAC 10 mulligan in the box score?

TCU couldn't run a lick on freekin' Boise St; they'd be a candidate for negative yards rushing against Nebraska.

I think TCU would beat you in a close game. I agree they wouldn't run the ball on you... but nobody was able to really run the ball on Nebraska this year. It would a be close to very close game. Your Defense can keep you in any game and that is a testament to the coaching, scheme, and players ability both athletically and understanding. Having said that... for the most part your offense was pretty bad most of the season.

Sudden Sam wrote:My point being that, though they were decent teams (although you'd never know it from last night's game), neither could negotiate an 8 game schedule thru most any other conference without several losses.

Based on what? Boise and TCU were a combined 3-0 vs BCS teams this year. One pretty good team (Oregon), one mediocre team (Clemson), and one awful team (Virginia). Not a very large sample size, but there's certainly nothing there that suggests they'd be handed "several losses" in a BCS conference. If you've got something other than your usual "BECAUSE I SAID SO!" response, feel free to shed some light.

And I'm sorry but a game between Boise and TCU doesn't prove jack shit as to where they'd place in other conferences. That's just lazy logic.

Papa Willie wrote:

Van wrote:Wags, you think four-loss, no offense havin' Nebraska beats out TCU or Boise for the North...this year?? How? Nebraska lost at home to Iowa St. Nebraska couldn't score against either Boise or TCU.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure TCU or Boise wins the North, and they finish no worse than second in the South, or either division of the SEC. Definitely not "mid-pack," which is where Sam has 'em.

You aren't saying much for the Pac 10 by saying that! Arizona beat USC and got fucking bashed by Nebraska. I honestly think Nebraska was playing just about as good as anybody in the country at the end of the season. I would imagine Texas is glad as fuck they don't have to play them again. I was impressed last night with both teams, but I don't think either team could have beaten Nebraska at the end of the season.

Who cares? They still would've finished the season with fewer losses than Nebraska. The season is comprised of more than the bowl game and the Money Grab Farce. Over the course of the entire season, Nebraska was pretty damn meh, and they would've finished behind either TCU or Boise St.

SunCoastSooner wrote:I think TCU would beat you in a close game. I agree they wouldn't run the ball on you... but nobody was able to really run the ball on Nebraska this year. It would a be close to very close game. Your Defense can keep you in any game and that is a testament to the coaching, scheme, and players ability both athletically and understanding. Having said that... for the most part your offense was pretty bad most of the season.

Nebraska would have a better chance of scoring against TCU than the reverse. So I can't see how TCU could be considered the favorite. I would venture to say after last nights game, and the resulting Holiday Bowl and Texass' extra second game, Vegas would favor Nebraska.

Nebraska got assraped by Taco Tech, plus they lost three other times, including a bad home loss to Iowa St and a loss to meh Va Tech. To say that TCU couldn't score on them is ridiculous. TCU had a bad night offensively, with tons of dropped passes. They were playing a team which, while still being a bit of an unknown, has at least proven themselves to be damn good in single-game situations. Nebraska more than showed that they're capable of being scored upon, and a season is twelve games long, not just one or two.

Over the course of an entire season, TCU finishes ahead of this Nebraska team.

Sam, I'm not comparing Boise St's schedule to Florida's, I'm comparing TCU's to those of Florida and Texas. Yes, the athletes in the MWC are every bit as good as those of the shitty teams in the SEC and Big XII - which basically means everyone but Florida, Bama and Texas this year, since OU was decimated by injuries - and those shitty teams are the only ones Florida and Texas played. Texas didn't face Bama and Florida, or anyone else. Florida faced nobody.

To make it really clear for you, yes, Air Force, Utah, BYU, Clemson, etc, are better teams this year than those faced by Florida and Texas, who managed to avoid playing anybody. The only 'tough' game on Florida's schedule was to four-loss, offensively bankrupt, horribly coached LSU. That's it. That is it.

Their schedule was fucking horrible, from Game One to Game Twelve.

The rest? It's all just laundry. Any ranking of Florida's schedule that has them anywhere in the top seventy is nothing more than infatuation with well-known jerseys.

Van wrote:To say that TCU couldn't score on them is ridiculous. TCU had a bad night offensively, with tons of dropped passes. They were playing a team which, while still being a bit of an unknown, has at least proven themselves to be damn good in single-game situations. Nebraska more than showed that they're capable of being scored upon, and a season is twelve games long, not just one or two.

Huh? Are we discussing this season?

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?y ... =IA&dest=O

Schedules, Sam. Schedules. Quit dodging the issue. Quit dealing in fatuous generalities.

2009 Florida schedule

D1-AA Charleston Southern
Sun Belt Troy
Horrible Tennessee
@ Horrible Kentucky
@ Meh LSU
Awful Arkansas
@ Pathetic Missississippi St
Somewhat neutral site game against Gagging Georgia
Gawdawful Vandy
@ Horrible S. Carolina
Disgustingly Bad Florida International
Historically Bad Florida State

Sam, you have only four roadies there, and three of 'em are to horrible teams. You've got a bad D1-AA team (I'm talking bad, even for D1-AA), a shitty Sun Belt team, an even worse Sun Belt team and all the absolute dregs of the SEC.

Find me one truly good team on that schedule. I dare you. I'll show you ten horrible teams, and give you LSU as at least being meh-decent. Even Georgia was a five-loss team, including a horrible loss OOC.

That is one of the single worst schedules in recent BCS conference memory.

Take the ball-sucking blinders off, Sam. Look at that specific schedule.

Now, look at this one...

2009 Texas Longhorns

Pathetic La-Monroe
@ Putrid Wyoming -that's their GOOD OOC game!
Defenseless Taco Tech
Laughable UTEP
Embarrassingly Bad Colorado
D.O.A. Oklahoma
@ Nutless Misery
@ Okie St, who were missing their best players
Central Fucking Florida
@ Utterly Useless Baylor
Kansas? Are You Serious?
@ Really Bad A&M

Go ahead, Sam, show me where the tough game - singular - was in that schedule. Their only marginally tough roadie was @ Okie St, who were neutered that day by the absence of their best players. Obviously, OU would've been the tough game, but OU wasn't OU this season. So, what was left? Missouri? A&M?

TCU played a good Utah team, a good BYU team, a good Air Force team, and they went on the road and beat a good Clemson team. Mind you, I'm not saying any of those four are great teams, but they're four teams who were all better this season than anybody Texas faced. They're also better than anybody Florida faced, with the possible exception of LSU.

Get off your obsession with laundry, and really look at reality. Look at the actual schedules, not just your familiarity with the helmets from each conference.

Cornhusker wrote:

Van wrote:To say that TCU couldn't score on them is ridiculous. TCU had a bad night offensively, with tons of dropped passes. They were playing a team which, while still being a bit of an unknown, has at least proven themselves to be damn good in single-game situations. Nebraska more than showed that they're capable of being scored upon, and a season is twelve games long, not just one or two.

Huh? Are we discussing this season?

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?y ... =IA&dest=O

Yes, I'm talking this season. IIRC, Nebraska gave up points to Va Tech this season (and lost), they gave up pooints to Colorado, and they gave up a ton of points at home to Taco Tech. Nebraska proved they are capable of being scored upon, and both TCU and Boise are much better than either Va Tech or Taco Tech.

Sudden Sam wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote:Van,

The schedule Florida played...or Texas...is still far tougher than the schedules that TCU and BSU played. Even with the conferences being "down", the games against the likes of LSU, Mississippi, Auburn, even Arkansas...and Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, etc...were far tougher than anything on TCU's or Boise's schedules. How anyone can look at Boise's and TCU's schedules and not laugh is beyond me.

My point being that, though they were decent teams (although you'd never know it from last night's game), neither could negotiate an 8 game schedule thru most any other conference without several losses.

No it was tougher than BSU's... TCU's waas definitely tougher than Florida's and basically even with Bama's. Yeah that's why TCU was the only team in their conference who lost a bowl game... you're a fucking moron. You couldn't evaluate a football team if the Russian mafia was holding a gun to your head pregame and demanding a winner; you'd end up with your brains splattered all over some street in rural Alabama. All the empirical evidence such as the pick 'ems and postings backs this up as well. You repeatedly prove to us you wouldn't recognize a superior or less superior team if you had three tutors and Vegas odds maker holding your hand through the process.

Good god! My acumen for assessing football teams has gone from finishing second (by one game if I recall correctly) in the bowl picks last year to pure damn shitty this year! Wonder what caused such a tremendous swing in my brilliance?! Cutting back on alcohol, no doubt. I knew I shoulda drank more this year. Shit.

Look, if you can't figure this out...which by now is pretty damn obvious...there's nothing more I can post to try to explain this.

Whoopee-doo, the MWC won 4 bowl games this year. ONE FREAKING GAME AGAINST DECENT COMPETITION PLAYED BY EACH OF THOSE 4 TEAMS DOES NOT MEAN THOSE TEAMS WOULD BLOW THRU A REAL CONFERENCE'S FULL SCHEDULE. Is that hard to comprehend?!?! Look at Boise's and TCU's schedules. Tell me they played more than 1 or 2 games that would compare with a full Big 12 schedule. Even though the Big 12 was down somewhat, 8 games in that conference are a helluva lot tougher than 8 MWC or 8 WAC games.

TCU and Boise would have been competitive in other conferences this year. But they'd no doubt have lost several games playing bigger, faster opponents than they faced all season long.

A real conference, you mean like one that had a losing record against other major conferences (i.e. the SEC)or the conference that had a winning record against non-conference BCS opponents (i.e. the Mountain West Conference)... A real conference... like one that had an overall losing record throughout the season against other non-conference teams who went to Bowl games (i.e. the SEC) but not the conference who had a winning record against against other non-conference bowl teams(i.e. the Mountain West Conference)!

Fact: The SEC, amongst TWELVE institutions, so far this season has gone 10-11 against non-conference BCS competition. During the regular season the SEC played exactly THREE non-conference games against BCS opponents who had winning records in their respective conference... they went 2-1 in those games.

Fact: The Mountain West Conference, amongst EIGHT institutions, went 11-9 against non-conference BCS competition. The MWC played SEVEN BCS teams with winning records in their conference... they went 4-3 in those games.

Fact: The SEC, amongst TWELVE institutions, had TWO teams who accumulated TEN or more wins this season while their conference played FOURTEEN FCS teams. Only Georgia played an exclusively Division 1 FBS schedule.

Fact: The Mountain West, amongst EIGHT institutions, had THREE teams who accumulated TEN or more wins this season while their conference institutions only playing a total of FIVE FCS teams. Three teams in the Mountain West played exclusively Division 1 FBS football schedules.

Fact: The SEC, amongst TWELVE institutions, went 9-11 against other non-conference teams that played in Bowl games so far this season. (Thank G-d you had numerous schools that loaded up with those juggernaut programs Middle Tennessee State and Troy to pad that stat for you)

Fact: The Mountain West Conference, amongst EIGHT institutions, went 11-7 against other non-conference teams who played in Bowl games.


And Bullshit you finished second last season... you tied for second in the bowl games after homering out for the SEC and they cleaned up... you finished 19th during the season and was the last person to qualify for the Bowls during the season. I missed weeks this year and still finished ahead of you when you selected every week. If my last week's picks had been accepted I would have finished tied for first overall with Harv, Mike, and Sir Cumfrence in the regular season (the fifth time in seven years I would be in the top 10 with the only years having been missed were when I was absent for a death in the family or fighting cancer)... 88 and I discussed it through PM and we both agreed that since I was already qualified by both winning a week, percentage, and/or overall picks (all three) it wasn't that big of a deal and there was no need for him to go back and do a shit load of work on the spread sheet to fix it for just me. You're sitting damn near the bottom, even amongst the non-quals in the bowls this season after sneaking into the Qualifiers round... as opposed to myself who is only one of four people still with a mathematical chance to win.

Van wrote:Yes, I'm talking this season. IIRC, Nebraska gave up points to Va Tech this season, and they gave up a ton of points at home to Taco Tech. Nebraska proved they are capable of being scored upon, and both TCU and Boise are much better than either Va Tech or Taco Tech.

Only 2 teams north of 20 points! I guess if one scores 3 points it's "capable of giving up points," huh Van?

09/05 FLA. ATLANTIC W 49-3
09/12 ARKANSAS ST. W 38-9
09/19 @ VIRGINIA TECH L 15-16 Yep, those are points alright.
09/26 LA.-LAFAYETTE W 55-0
10/08 @ MISSOURI W 27-12
10/17 TEXAS TECH L 10-31 This is a ton?
10/24 IOWA STATE L 7-9
10/31 @ BAYLOR W 20-10
11/07 OKLAHOMA W 10-3
11/14 @ KANSAS W 31-17
11/21 KANSAS STATE W 17-3
11/27 @ COLORADO W 28-20
12/05 TEXAS L 12-13 This is the 3rd highest scoring offense in the country.
12/30 ARIZONA W 33-0 - PAC 10-right down there with the Sun Belt Conference. :P

Cornhusker wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:I think TCU would beat you in a close game. I agree they wouldn't run the ball on you... but nobody was able to really run the ball on Nebraska this year. It would a be close to very close game. Your Defense can keep you in any game and that is a testament to the coaching, scheme, and players ability both athletically and understanding. Having said that... for the most part your offense was pretty bad most of the season.

Nebraska would have a better chance of scoring against TCU than the reverse. So I can't see how TCU could be considered the favorite. I would venture to say after last nights game, and the resulting Holiday Bowl and Texass' extra second game, Vegas would favor Nebraska.

Sorry I have to disagree... If last nights game was all that you had ever seen of TCU this season then I don't fault you for thinking that but I have watched them all season. That was one of Dalton's worst three games of the season as far as accuracy. By far and away the worst I have seen the receivers as far as dropping balls. The game plan put together by the offensive staff completely got away from what got them there and unimaginative. TCU would pound the piss out of Taco Tech and we saw what they did to you... TCU may be small but they are bigger than Taco Tech, better coached overall, and definitely faster than the Taco tossers.

As a group, Utah, BYU, Air Force and Clemson are much better than any four teams Florida or Texas played. TCU also played three real roadies, with games @ Utah, Clemson and Air Force.

That makes for a significantly better schedule than anything Florida or Texas faced.

Cornhusker, Nebraska gave up thirty-one, at home. That's all the proof I need to know that, by definition, they're capable of being scored upon. That's what I said, wasn't it? They got killed in that game, and that wasn't even the only game Nebraska lost. Both TCU and Boise St are certainly better than three of the four teams who beat Nebraska this year, so yeah, I have zero problem in thinking they both would've finished ahead of Nebraska this season.

Cornhusker wrote:

Van wrote:Yes, I'm talking this season. IIRC, Nebraska gave up points to Va Tech this season, and they gave up a ton of points at home to Taco Tech. Nebraska proved they are capable of being scored upon, and both TCU and Boise are much better than either Va Tech or Taco Tech.

Only 2 teams north of 20 points! I guess if one scores 3 points it's "capable of giving up points," huh Van?

09/05 FLA. ATLANTIC W 49-3
09/12 ARKANSAS ST. W 38-9
09/19 @ VIRGINIA TECH L 15-16 Yep, those are points alright.
09/26 LA.-LAFAYETTE W 55-0
10/08 @ MISSOURI W 27-12
10/17 TEXAS TECH L 10-31 This is a ton?
10/24 IOWA STATE L 7-9
10/31 @ BAYLOR W 20-10
11/07 OKLAHOMA W 10-3
11/14 @ KANSAS W 31-17
11/21 KANSAS STATE W 17-3
11/27 @ COLORADO W 28-20
12/05 TEXAS L 12-13 This is the 3rd highest scoring offense in the country.
12/30 ARIZONA W 33-0 - PAC 10-right down there with the Sun Belt Conference. :P

In the same respect as to your argument about Va. Tech being you should have won that game... Oklahoma probably should have won that game against Nebraska... Oklahoma had 16 more first downs than Nebraska, a much higher percentage of third down conversions, almost doubled Nebraska in offensive yards, averaged almost double the yards per play than Nebraska. Just sayin' you can't have it both ways saying you should have won this game or that while ignoring other games that you damn sure should have lost using the same principles and arguments you are for the "ifs and buts".

Sudden Sam wrote:

Cornhusker wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:I think TCU would beat you in a close game. I agree they wouldn't run the ball on you... but nobody was able to really run the ball on Nebraska this year. It would a be close to very close game. Your Defense can keep you in any game and that is a testament to the coaching, scheme, and players ability both athletically and understanding. Having said that... for the most part your offense was pretty bad most of the season.

Nebraska would have a better chance of scoring against TCU than the reverse. So I can't see how TCU could be considered the favorite. I would venture to say after last nights game, and the resulting Holiday Bowl and Texass' extra second game, Vegas would favor Nebraska.

At this point, TCU wouldn't be favored against any team with a decent defense.


BTW, SCS, you finished 6 % points better than my shitty picks this year in the regular season. Obviously you can evaluate college football teams far better than I can. I bow down to your skills.

I missed weeks you picked everyone of them... I nailed eight out of ten the final week that wasn't counted. I would have tied for first if not for being at a funeral and being a day late. I've only finished outside the top ten twice... EVER (any of the long time posters here or at the previous boards can attest to this... once while I was taking care of relative for most of the season fighting for their life and the other being this season because I missed the final week. See the other post moron.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Van wrote:As a group, Utah, BYU, Air Force and Clemson are much better than any four teams Florida or Texas played. TCU also played three real roadies, with games @ Utah, Clemson and Air Force.

That makes for a significantly better schedule than anything Florida or Texas faced.

Bull. Bad as they were, LSU was better than Clemson or Air Force, if not Utah.

Now you're just being retarded. Which part of "group of four" has you so befuddled? LSU is only one team, and they're the only one on Florida's schedule who may have been as good as any of the four good teams TCU played.

There is nobody on the Texas schedule who was as good as ony of those four. There certainly aren't four teams on their schedule who even come close.

Overall schedule, Van. Overall schedule.

That's what I just ran down for you, team by team. The overall schedules of Texas and Florida were just gawdawful. TCU's was better, because it at least included four real games, including three real roadies.

As down as the Big 12 and SEC were, their worst teams are better than the bulk of that TCU schedule.

No, they're not. Their worst teams are just awful, and would be awful in the MWC too. Tennessee lost at home to Wyoming last year, and to UCLA this year. Mississippi St lost at home to meh Houston this year. The SEC's dregs are dregs, period. Mississippi St, Vandy, Kentucky and S. Carolina - a full third of your conference - would be bottom feeders nearly every year, in nearly every major conference.

Florida played - debatably - a one-game schedule. Texas played nobody. Overall schedule, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Between 'em, over twenty-two games, they played one decent game.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Van wrote:Cornhusker, Nebraska gave up thirty-one, at home. That's all the proof I need to know that, by definition, they're capable of being scored upon. That's what I said, wasn't it? They got killed in that game, and that wasn't even the only game Nebraska lost. Both TCU and Boise St are certainly better than three of the four teams who beat Nebraska this year, so yeah, I have zero problem in thinking they both would've finished ahead of Nebraska this season.

I would suggest that Nebraska's defense is far, far better than Boise's.

Not even... Nebraska's Defensive line is far better than Boise's, their Linebackers are marginally better (mainly because of Dillard puts them over) but Boise's are better coached, the Dbacks at BSU are definitely more talented than Nebraska's but Nebraska's are better coached.

Sudden Sam wrote:

Van wrote:Cornhusker, Nebraska gave up thirty-one, at home. That's all the proof I need to know that, by definition, they're capable of being scored upon. That's what I said, wasn't it? They got killed in that game, and that wasn't even the only game Nebraska lost. Both TCU and Boise St are certainly better than three of the four teams who beat Nebraska this year, so yeah, I have zero problem in thinking they both would've finished ahead of Nebraska this season.

I would suggest that Nebraska's defense is far, far better than Boise's.

Who cares if you'd suggest it? I'd suggest that you really don't know, and I'd also suggest that Boise's overall team is much better than Nebraska's, since a football team is comprised of offense, defense and special teams...plus coaching. Taken as a whole, Boise and TCU were both better than Nebraska this season.

Van wrote:Taken as a whole, Boise and TCU were both better than Nebraska this season.

If they played each other next week, Nebraska would drill either one.

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Cornhusker wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:I think TCU would beat you in a close game. I agree they wouldn't run the ball on you... but nobody was able to really run the ball on Nebraska this year. It would a be close to very close game. Your Defense can keep you in any game and that is a testament to the coaching, scheme, and players ability both athletically and understanding. Having said that... for the most part your offense was pretty bad most of the season.

Nebraska would have a better chance of scoring against TCU than the reverse. So I can't see how TCU could be considered the favorite. I would venture to say after last nights game, and the resulting Holiday Bowl and Texass' extra second game, Vegas would favor Nebraska.

Sorry I have to disagree... If last nights game was all that you had ever seen of TCU this season then I don't fault you for thinking that but I have watched them all season. That was one of Dalton's worst three games of the season as far as accuracy. By far and away the worst I have seen the receivers as far as dropping balls. The game plan put together by the offensive staff completely got away from what got them there and unimaginative. TCU would pound the piss out of Taco Tech and we saw what they did to you... TCU may be small but they are bigger than Taco Tech, better coached overall, and definitely faster than the Taco tossers.

So what you're saying is TCU would play to their highest standard when they play a team of your choice (Nebraska) on any given day?
After seeing last nights game I cannot believe that could be a foregone conclusion. Why did they pick last night to play like shit? Good teams bring it every game. They didn't.
As far as being better coached than Texas Tech, seeing that "effort" last night, I'd have to disagree. Remember that corner coming unmolested and sending Dalton into La La land? Who was calling that offensive play? They motioned the slot guy away from the corner. I thought Bill Callahan was calling that play, great coaching.
Also it seemed Boise was clearly faster than TCU.
I saw very poor offensive line play last night by TCU. And Boise wasn't the sole reason why. The damn right tackle couldn't get his fat ass in a 3 point stance much less than hold the count. How many times did he false start?
And I did see TCU play earlier in the season as I mentioned. I think they we a national darling team this year and ultimately a paper tiger.

Your edit doesn't change anything. LSU being debatably as good as one or two of the four doesn't change the fact that those four teams taken as a group are better than any four teams - or even any two teams - Florida played. Also, and this is something SECBSH always glosses over, there's the fact that TCU played three real roadies, including a real roadie OOC, across the country. Florida never does that.

War Wagon wrote:

Van wrote:Taken as a whole, Boise and TCU were both better than Nebraska this season.

If they played each other next week, Nebraska would drill either one.

Because a bowl game is the result of a season's worth of work, Nebraska would play in a lesser bowl game than either TCU or Boise, if they were all in the same conference.

Oh, and besides...no, they wouldn't. Boise would drill Nebraska, and so would TCU.

How ya like that?

Cornhusker wrote:Why did they pick last night to play like shit? Good teams bring it every game. They didn't.

Nor did Nebraska, which is kinda why they lost four times this season, and it's also why they could lose to practically anyone on any given day.

mvscal, change your quotes in your sig. You have the wrong thing quoted.

Cornhusker wrote:
So what you're saying is TCU would play to their highest standard when they play a team of your choice (Nebraska) on any given day?
After seeing last nights game I cannot believe that could be a foregone conclusion. Why did they pick last night to play like shit? Good teams bring it every game. They didn't.
As far as being better coached than Texas Tech, seeing that "effort" last night, I'd have to disagree. Remember that corner coming unmolested and sending Dalton into La La land? Who was calling that offensive play? They motioned the slot guy away from the corner. I thought Bill Callahan was calling that play, great coaching.
Also it seemed Boise was clearly faster than TCU.
I saw very poor offensive line play last night by TCU. And Boise wasn't the sole reason why. The damn right tackle couldn't get his fat ass in a 3 point stance much less than hold the count. How many times did he false start?
And I did see TCU play earlier in the season as I mentioned. I think they we a national darling team this year and ultimately a paper tiger.

#1 I said it would be a close game, far from being a foregone conclusion (that due to both teams defenses)... but hell yes with a gun to my head I would pick TCU without a second though in that game on a neutral field.


You're saying the same thing about Nebraska... Nebraska has one of the top 5 defenses in the country IMHO... so does TCU though. TCU has a much more capable offense than Nebraska has hands down though.

Toughest defenses in the country in no particular order IMHO are: Alabama, TCU, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Florida. There are a few teams right outside that group that have valid arguments that includes Texas, LSU, and Boise State. The problem with three of those teams (LSU, Oklahoma, and Nebraska) are that their offenses are absolutely inept and anyone that watched any of the three for the majority of the season that isn't wearing homer shades can argue with that analysis.

Nebraska's defense may be slightly better than TCU's... TCU's offense, even with last night's performance, was vastly better than Nebraska's.

Van wrote:Cornhusker, Nebraska gave up thirty-one, at home. That's all the proof I need to know that, by definition, they're capable of being scored upon. That's what I said, wasn't it? They got killed in that game, and that wasn't even the only game Nebraska lost. Both TCU and Boise St are certainly better than three of the four teams who beat Nebraska this year, so yeah, I have zero problem in thinking they both would've finished ahead of Nebraska this season.

You also said this:

and a season is twelve games long, not just one or two

You're basing Nebraska giving up points in ONE game, what happened in the other 11?
They were the nation's best in not allowing points.

No, they wouldn't have, not if they'd played the Nebraska or Texas schedules.

It's all about the overall schedule, Sam.

Sudden Sam wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:I missed weeks you picked everyone of them... I nailed eight out of ten the final week that wasn't counted. I would have tied for first if not for being at a funeral and being a day late. I've only finished outside the top ten twice... EVER (any of the long time posters here or at the previous boards can attest to this... once while I was taking care of relative for most of the season fighting for their life and the other being this season because I missed the final week. See the other post moron.

Jesus Christ, man. Relax!

You definitely should be a professional gambler. Either that or taking Corso's place on GameDay. I can't believe Notre Dame chose Brian Kelly over you.

Never said I would be a better coach but I damn sure know how to evaluate football teams (certainly better than Corso but hell I think he is about on par with you in that category so that's no real feat of genius in my book) and am not going to bow down to it otherwise... I also do make a good chunk of coin gambling; both on college sporting events and poker.

Cornhusker wrote:

Van wrote:Cornhusker, Nebraska gave up thirty-one, at home. That's all the proof I need to know that, by definition, they're capable of being scored upon. That's what I said, wasn't it? They got killed in that game, and that wasn't even the only game Nebraska lost. Both TCU and Boise St are certainly better than three of the four teams who beat Nebraska this year, so yeah, I have zero problem in thinking they both would've finished ahead of Nebraska this season.

You also said this:

and a season is twelve games long, not just one or two

You're basing Nebraska giving up points in ONE game, what happened in the other 11?
They were the nation's best in not allowing points.

Who cares? Who'd they play, to compile those stats? Who'd Florida play, to compile theirs? Who'd Texas play?

Statistical rankings are very close to meaningless when the teams don't face the same competition.

I'd say that Nebraska faced one dangerous offense, and they got raped by that offense. I'd also say, and I'm 100% correct in saying it, that the Taco Tech game proves that Nebraska was capabale of giving up points. This simply cannot be refuted. It also cannot be argued that Taco Tech, Va Tech or Iowa St are anywhere near as good as TCU or Boise St, yet all three of those teams beat Nebraska, including two wins in Lincoln. So, yeah, while we'll never know for certain, it's a safe bet to say that both TCU and Boise St would've finished ahead of Nebraska in the same division.

Stick 'em on the same field? Hell yes, I take either one over Nebraska, even right now.

Van wrote:No, they wouldn't have, not if they'd played the Nebraska or Texas schedules.

It's all about the overall schedule, Sam.

Sam doesn't understand that... or get that the only people on his side in this argument all seasojn long have been another SECBSH (Papa) and Mvscal (who posts in here about 30 times a year as compared to his spamming of other boards that while he may have some shit to smack on the main and insight on the poli gets his ass ran out of here 90% of the time for being a CFB moron) which speaks volumes in and of itself.

So? I'm going with Boise. What about it?

You're right. It may not even be slightly better.