Killian wrote:No one gives a shit about conference championships.
Fuck off. Join a conference and win it, then talk.
Will Muschamp thinks you're an idiot. Every other coordinator who gets hired for HC positions or better coordinator gigs based on the conference championships they earned at their previous job says you're full of shit too.
Besides, Kiffin was also part of two national championships at the D1 level, and all of it occured at the very same school which was presently looking over his resume. I think that shit probably mattered to USC, don't you? Add it all up, and that resume blows away just about anything anybody else was going to bring to the table.
Nick and Urban weren't really available for interviews.
You base you're entire argument on the fact that he got these jobs at a certain age.
No, I don't. His age is just one more factor in his favor, but the main thing is that his resume includes stints at USC and as a head coach in the NFL and the SEC. Most other potential candidates can't come close to offering that type of experience, especially when they're applying for a job at...wait for it...USC!
He was
highly successful at USC, and he sure as hell didn't get that job due to nepotism. Monte Kiffin never had anything to do with the USC program, and there are boatloads of coaches' sons out there. They don't all get offered jobs on the staffs of programs like USC, and they sure as hell don't all get handed the keys to
that offense.
He got that job because someone thought highly of him, even though he was only in his twenties, then he worked his way through the ranks, on merit. Pete doesn't hand him a national championship-level offense to run, just because he's someone's son.
He was given an opportunity based on merit, he learned on the job, and he succeeded when given his next opportunity. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Get a fucking clue, and quit being such a bitter bitch about it.
You ignore how he's done at these positions
The fuck I have. I've gone on
ad nauseum about how well he did at USC and Tennessee, and don't think for a moment that his track record at USC isn't 99% of the reason he was offered this latest gig. He kicked ass there, both as a recruiter and a teacher, then he ran a very prolific offense after Norm Chow was gone.
He also took a dogshit Tennessee team and elevated them to respectability. You can queef all you want about how Tennessee really wasn't 'all that bad', but like everything else you've said here, you're just plain wrong about that one too. Yes, they really were all that bad. Their record says so, as did their lackluster effort. He took over a shit team. Even being in the SEC, they weren't a bowl team, and they'd quit playing hard.
Do you know how hard it is to
not be a bowl team these days, especially when you're a traditional power playing in the SEC? They get
nine teams into bowl games every year, and Tennessee is a Top 10 All-Time program. They had to be downright
awful to not even make it into a bowl game.
He instantly improved them, and with the success of his recruiting efforts he had Tennessee on track to becoming relevant again within another couple years.
That's how he's done at those positions. Don't even try to say I haven't mentioned how he's done, because that's just about
all I've said.
I love the way you completely ignore the importance on a resume - especially at a place like USC - of a guy's ability to recruit. You fucking pissed and moaned, and you offered every excuse under the sun for Charlie Weis. It was always about how Ty didn't recruit, yet Kiffin's well-known ability to recruit is completely glossed over by you. Sorry, pal, but as much of a bad head coach as Charlie Weis is, recruiting is why you haven't beaten USC in close to a decade. USC has had better players than ND - and just about everyone else - for most of the decade, and that's because of recruiting.
Everything starts with recruiting. Kiffin is a damn good recruiter, and for a coach applying for a college job, that counts a whole lot on his resume. In fact, combine a proven track record as a coach at a school with a proven track record as a recruiter at a school (plus one other school), and you know what you have? You have a strong fucking resume, that's what, and none of it has to do with his age or his last name. It has to do with the results he's produced. His age is just icing on the cake.
and fail to acknowledge that the only reason he was in position to take those jobs was because of his name.
Utter bullshit. Complete, unmitigated bullshit.
What did his name have to do with getting hired at USC, initially? USC could've gone after a hundred other sons of coaches. Monte Kiffin had no ties to USC.
The Raiders? Monte was Chucky's DC, and Al Davis hates Chucky. You think being the son of Chucky's DC was some huge
selling point for Al?
You think it was some huge motivator for Tennessee hiring him? What the fuck does Tennessse care about some NFL DC's son? There are dozens of other sons of coaches roaming the SEC, including sons of coaches with SEC ties.
This is just fucking nonsense. His last name certainly didn't hurt him any, except maybe with Al Davis, but you have nothing here.
2 years as a coordinator,
At USC. See if you can rememberthat, for later.
USC? You know, where he was applying for
this job? You think that didn't matter in their thought process? USC, where he led one of the best offenses of all time, while winning the Pac 10 both years he was there? He was also on the staff for four other titles, including two national titles. Funny how you gloss over that, while being perfectly willing to trumpet much lesser achievements from just about anybody else.
a disaster in the NFL
He wasn't a disaster in the NFL. He was the coach of the Raiders, which automatically means a shitty record during the middle and latter part of this decade. He did every bit as well as Norv Turner, who is a very well-respected head coach in the NFL. He was respected by his players, and he did the best he could with the hand he was dealt.
To blame his record as coach of the Raiders on him is disingenuous at best and asinine at worst.
and one decent year in college with a team that had more talent than you like to believe.
They were horrible. Period. He made them better. He did a better job with that team than the previous coach, and that previous coach earned a national title at that program. It wasn't like Kiffin was taking over for Charlie Weis, Bob Davie or Ty Willingham. He was taking over for a coach who has one of the highest winning percentages of all time. Even
that coach couldn't prevent Tennessee from being horrible.
For only being there one year, Kiffin did as well as anybody could have expected. He absolutely did nothing but enhance his resume there. He went into the SEC with a shitty team and had them improving and competing. With the recruiting he was doing there, he'd given them hope for the future.
You can't say shit about the job he did at Tennessee. He did just fine.
That's not an awesome resume.
Yes, it is, compared to those people on that list I gave, none of whom could touch Kiffin's resume. None of those guys had held bigger jobs, or won in such high level programs. All you had there were D1-AA coaches, retreads and coordinators of lesser programs. Oh, and yes, they were all a lot older too. You can dismiss that factor all you want, but you're an idiot. Having his resume at his age means something. It means he has experience combined with youth. If you want to keep hiring guys with no chance of being at ND for a long time, such as middle-aged, not-long-for-this-Earth Charlie Weis, be my guest.
Most organizations prefer to hire youth; youth with upside. Youth is usually an additional selling point on a resume.
That resume is lacking compared to all of those you coaches you mention, except maybe Harbaugh.
Really? Go down that list and show me what they did and where they did it before they landed their marquee jobs.
"Except maybe Jim Harbaugh." Yeah, Jim Harbaugh's coaching resume pre-Stanford still leaves you with room for doubt, 'cause it was so similar to Kiffin's.
How many objective football fans do you think would call his resume "awesome"? How many USC fans?
Every single one, in the context of
this discussion, where we're comparing him to other coaches who had lesser resumes before landing their big gigs.
Every single one, in the context of
this discussion, where we're comparing his resume to the likes of USC's other potential candidates, such as DeWayne Walker and Jack Del Rio.
The problem is in finding objective fans. You sure as hell aren't one.
Your stance on this is one of the most comical things I've seen in this forum, ever.
Yet it's still correct, and it's made you look entirely stupid. You sound like a fourteen year old hater, and nothing more. You haven't thrown out a single fact which has supported your position.
"He was horrible with the Raiders!"
"Tennessee was better than you think!"
"Being Monte Kiffin's kid got him the OC gig at USC!"
"He never did shit at USC, except for when he was under Norm Chow!"
Killian, you've been a complete dunce in this thread. You've done nothing but toss out knee-jerk fanboard blurbs. You've been wrong on every single point.
There's a reason no one has jumped to your defense, and its not because of a hatred for USC. Its because you're wrong.
Practically nobody has jumped to your defense either, you moron. A couple of USC haters have tried to sarcastically pile on USC, is all. No news there. Nobody's responding to this thread because you're fishing for god knows what. You have no valid point to make. Someone tells you that they're not in charge of hiring and that they're just going to have to sit back, wait and see, and you can't let it go. You don't even
know what your fucking goal is here.
"He wouldn't have been my first choice, but what can I do? What do you want me to do about it? All we can do now is see how it plays out." Even with that, you can't just drop it. You keep prattling on with your Bitter Domer act, having not a single worthwhile thing to say.
This is one of the worst efforts I've ever seen from you. All you've offered is gratuitous garbage.