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Dinsdale wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:At least they have some semblance of a defense unlike the other two.

Because Oregon and Auburn score and give the ball back to the opponent 10 times a game, it means they have no "semblance of defense"?

I'll let you in on a football secret -- when an opponent gets 10+ possessions in a game, they're going to get some yards and points.

Let me let you in on a little secret that even women who only casually watch football because their husbands make them even know. It doesn't matter how many times a team touches the ball when your combined opponents records are 13-24 and you're giving up right at 392 yards a game there aren't any excuses.

Even Boise State is laughing at your schedule midway through the season.

I don't think an unbeaten SEC team would force ESPN to get all pissy unless it were Florida, LSU or Alabama or maybe Tennessee. Auburn is a great program but nobody would get mad if they got left out of the title game. No one cared in 2004.

The ONLY way we ever even have a playoff considered by the NCAA is if one of the absolute elite programs is left out. The problem is this will never happen because the voting is essentially rigged. Voters will always make sure the more elite program that's unbeaten is ranked ahead of a lesser program that's unbeaten.

Oh sure, ESPN might have a few people voice there displeasure with an SEC team being left out, but they won't put up enough fuss over Auburn to get the NCAA to really care.

You gotta remember, ESPN can't say too much. Don't they have the BCS TV deal now?

TheJON wrote:Oh sure, ESPN might have a few people voice there displeasure with an SEC team being left out, but they won't put up enough fuss over Auburn to get the NCAA to really care.

Two years ago, Auburn was called racist for not hiring Turner Gill.

So now THEY don't care about AU and our black Heisman candidate QB? Or Jason Campbell in 2004?

Paging Rush Limbaugh...

SunCoastSooner wrote:Playing Boise State in Glendale scares me more than playing Auburn or Oregon right now.

Boise is a defensive coaches worst nightmare...they attack you in so many different ways with so many different offensive weapons....their starting receivers Titus Young and Austin Pettis may be the best one two combination in college today....they've got a tight end that only catches TD passes.....Doug Martin (BSU's RB) hits like a freight train and definitely runs with a purpose, and Jeremy Avery (the other RB) presents a whole different set of problems (speed and quickness)...and Moore, maybe the most intelligent starting QB in all of college football.....not being a honk, just being realistic...that offense is just scary good

and the defense is pretty good too

Felix wrote:

Jsc810 wrote:Boise wouldn't have a winning record in the SEC. Or in the Big 12 or Big 10. And it is just stupid to think otherwise. Boise will not be in the championship game, doesn't matter what they do.

once again I'll remind you that this is the one of the most idiotic "analyses" that "power conference" honks like yourself can make....if Boise State was playing in any of thoseconferences, they'd be recruiting from a completely different talent pool- please cease and desist with this lame argument

as far as Boise State making it to the MNC, you're right-there is no way they'll make it....

I agree that Boise would be able to recruit better athletes if they were in a major conference but, in a backhanded sort of way, you're admitting that they don't currently recruit the same quality of player as schools in the BCS conferences, which would confirm that they could not compete in a major conference with their current players....which is also confirmed by the number of NFL draftees coming out of Boise. I will agree that they are extremely well coached but their successful seasons, imo, have more to do with the coaching and their extremely weak schedule. As for recruiting, they would still be recruiting players to live in Boise fucking Idaho and to play on that ugly blue field. They're getting more media play by NOT being in a BCS conference which, coupled with their 12-0 seasons, helps their recruiting tremendously.

Papa Willie wrote: They barely beat a team that got beat by James fucking Madison the next week. Sorry dude - James Madison will in itself keep BSU out of the Top 2... I know they're a good team, but they don't have a shot at the big game.

look I've already resigned myself to the fact that there is nothing Boise can do that will get them to the MNC....fuck BCS will put a 2 loss Alabama team over an unbeaten Boise State....

but lets look at the top rated BCS team-Oklahoma-they squeeked out a win against a WAC bottom feeder (Utah State), eeked out a win against a sorry Cincinatti team that Fresno State basically kicked the shit out of, and barely got by Air Force, which while decent is far from being a powerhouse team... a couple of wins over overrated Florida State and Texas was good enough to get them the number one ranking....riiiiight

v tech was a victim of their own ego...they opted to schedule a top tier FCS team 5 days after an emotionally draining loss to Boise State and it caught up with them

Felix wrote:v tech was a victim of their own ego...they opted to schedule a top tier FCS team 5 days after an emotionally draining loss to Boise State and it caught up with them

It was not entirely ego. The Hokie AD also whored out the team to ESPN by moving the game to Labour Day when it was originally scheduled for later in the season. Still no excuse to lose to JM fucking U. That game has ruined the entire season for me.

Did you really just refer to Miss St. and Kentucky as "tough games"? Jeez Sam, and here I thought your SEC ball-sucking homerism was a little less severe than the norm...

Papa Willie wrote:

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:Did you really just refer to Miss St. and Kentucky as "tough games"? Jeez Sam, and here I thought your SEC ball-sucking homerism was a little less severe than the norm...

Look at their records, look at who they'be beaten. MSU is in the top 25. Both would kick the shit out of Air Force or Cincy. Just sayin'.

The SEC dominance is obvious when you look at that ass whipping Arkansas laid on the worst team in the Big 12 south Texas A&M... by an entire touchdown and everything!

Sudden Sam wrote:
the Broncos could play an SEC schedule

you seem to operate under the assumption that Boise State is fearful of playing SEC teams, and I can assure you nothing could be further from the truth....they'd love to play Alabama, LSU, Florida and I know for a fact that Bleymeier, the BSU AD has stopped requesting home and home so why won't any of the SEC teams schedule Boise State? (except for Ole Miss next year-props to them)

the reason is because if alabama, or LSU, or Florida was to schedule Boise State and lose (which whether you'd like to admit it or not is a very real possibility), any hopes of a national championship go out the window...

I really shouldn't rawjaw BSU, since my team got woodshedded by them...


BUT...


That act of asking 2-4 times what any other mid-major wants in $ to play a game, then firing off the other side of their mouth with the "no one will play us/everyone is avoiding us" act is such a bitch move, they really need to just shut up.

Good things happen when they take the field -- off the field, if anyone not named Peterson opens their mouth, hilarity ensues, and that "we demand respect" act becomes a comedy routine.

Mace wrote:they would still be recruiting players to live in Boise fucking Idaho

Is there no end to the KYOAings the Iowa folk are willing to lay on themselves this week?

Each post is funnier than the last.


Let's see -- world class skiing, fishing, hunting, golf, and right up there with the wealthiest cities in the country...


or corn and fat inbred chicks.


Tough call there.

and to play on that ugly blue field.

But you did follow up one of the stupidest takes I've ever read on this board with a valid point.

Dinsdale wrote:

Mace wrote:they would still be recruiting players to live in Boise fucking Idaho

Is there no end to the KYOAings the Iowa folk are willing to lay on themselves this week?

Each post is funnier than the last.


Let's see -- world class skiing, fishing, hunting, golf, and right up there with the wealthiest cities in the country...


or corn and fat inbred chicks.

"World class skiing, fishing, hunting, and golf"??? Wow, no wonder they kicked Oregon's ass. :roll: And with all of that wealth, you'd think they'd make some serious improvements to their stadium and facilities.

Papa Willie wrote:
BSU shouldn't be asking up-front $1,000,000. That's why Nebraska told them to get fucked. Nobody wants any part of that. I would tend to bet that's why we don't see a lot of our "dream matchup" games. BSU knows nobody is gonna bite on that.

yet Nebraska is willing to pay the University of Idaho (the University of Idaho for fucks sake) $800,000 to bring them in and kick the shit out of them?

yeah, I'm sure the University of Idaho is a much bigger draw than Boise could ever hope to be......uh, I guess that makes sense on some planet....btw, where'd you come up with that "$1,000,000" figure at?

Mace wrote:
And with all of that wealth, you'd think they'd make some serious improvements to their stadium and facilities.

they've been playing at Division 1 level for 15 years bud.....just how fast do you expect a program to grow?

oh and I'd suggest backing off the location smack...I drove across Iowa once and can say without hesitation, it was the worst 20 minutes of my life

Jsc810 wrote: But Boise would have its ass kicked on a routine basis if it played in the Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10, or the SEC. Boise would not finish with a winning record if it played in those conferences.

you haven't been paying attention (e.g. reading this thread) have you? "boise state couldn't compete in _________ (insert BCS conference), rinse, repeat.....
okay lets look at the Big 12 and how Boise State might potentially fair
Iowa State-boise win
Kansas State-boise win
Kansas-boise win
Colorado-boise win
Baylor-boise win
Okie State-pretty sure Boise would win this one
Texas Tech-ditto
Texas A&M-pretty sure Boise could beat these guys

so right here, they'd have 8 wins

so even if boise were to lose to Texas (which they wouldn't), Missouri (which I don't think is as good as their record indicates so I'm pretty confident Boise could beat them), Oklahoma (which I think would be a good game, but I think home field would dictate which team came out with a W) and Nebraska (which has demonstrated they're not all that), it's pretty evident to me that Boise State could be very competitive in the Big 12 which is a long fucking way from "getting their ass kicked on a routine basis"

what is it about Boise State's (or TCU, Utah) success that has you so concerned?

It is stupid to have Boise ranked in the top 10, and any talk of Boise in the NC game is just absurd.

obviously you must know something that sportswriters and broadcasters and college coaches don't know...so maybe you could tell me the secrets you possess that all of these others are unaware of....let me guess "boise state couldn't compete in the ______(insert BCS conference)

Boise would probably win the big 12 north and the SEC east...

How cute -- Mace and Felix are having a Stupid-Off contest.


But I'll just let Felix slide and chalk it up as trolling, since nobody is that dumb that they don't understand the whole "depth" thing and how it pertains to playing Grown Up football.


Felix... bro... there's a reason the Meatgrinder is called the Meatgrinder. There's a reasonb that people who follow the sport almost universally agree that "BSU wouldn't put up that winning percentage in a major conference" -- because theey wouldn't.

Felix wrote:
they've been playing at Division 1 level for 15 years bud.....just how fast do you expect a program to grow?

Dins says that Boise is "one of the wealthiest cities in the country".....so how long does it take to renovate or build a real fucking stadium? And maybe one with green turf? :roll:

oh and I'd suggest backing off the location smack...I drove across Iowa once and can say without hesitation, it was the worst 20 minutes of my life

Sure you did. :roll:

Jsc810 wrote:You're delusional. The WAC has Hawaii, Fresno, Idaho, Nevada, Utah State, La Tech, New Mexico State, and San Jose State.

Right, playing in the WAC is just as tough as playing in a big conference. Really, it is. Really.

Can you point to one person who has even suggested as much? You seem to think that simply by virtue of playing in what everyone agrees is a weak conference, Boise St. is somehow incapable of fielding an elite team. You're either trolling or just dumb. I suspect the former, which probably makes me the latter for playing along.

Oh well. Touché, I guess...

Jsc810 wrote:Yeah, I am saying that. I'm saying that any team that does not play in one of the major conferences does not deserve to play for the NC. The schedules in the WAC don't allow a team to prove itself at that level.

Boise is a good team, props. But it is WAY overrated.

Agreed. It's conceivable that BSU could have the best team in the country at some point in time, but it's impossible for them to prove it with their incredibly weak schedule. It won't matter by the end of the season because the computers are going to kick the shit out of Boise, even if their weak ass conference teams can't. They'll still be overrated, but they won't be in contention for the CG.

As for Oregon, I'll admit that they're fun to watch but, just as in the Rose Bowl vs tOSU, their high octane offense will look like a go-cart sputtering on fumes when they face a good defense. To date, Oregon hasn't faced a defense ranked higher than 47th nationally and, even as good as they look on offense, I think they'll fail if they're matched up against a quality D in the NC game, should they get the nod.

Mace wrote:To date, Oregon hasn't faced a defense ranked higher than 47th nationally and, even as good as they look on offense, I think they'll fail if they're matched up against a quality D in the NC game, should they get the nod.

Gee, ya'think that playing against the nastiest offense in the history of the freaking game might have something to do with those teams' lower defensive ratings? Think Arizona's lofty defensive rankings might take a hit after they play Oregon?

I guess it's the same backass logic that brings people to the "last year's Rose Bowl" silliness. Should we still be afraid of Toby Gerhart and Reggie Bush coming to town? Is Carson Palmer going to kick our ass? How many years we going back here?

Dinsdale wrote: Felix... bro... there's a reason the Meatgrinder is called the Meatgrinder. There's a reasonb that people who follow the sport almost universally agree that "BSU wouldn't put up that winning percentage in a major conference" -- because theey wouldn't.

I'm not arguing that Boise State would go undefeated in any of the BCS conferences, and I'm pretty certain if they were playing in the Pac 10 er 12, they'd no doubt lose 3 or 4 games...but to make a idiotic statement like "they'd routinely get the shit kicked out of them in XYZ conference" is simply ignorant and I've stated the logic behind my statements....

insofar as this particular team, Boise State is pretty deep in the areas where it counts the most....

Dinsdale wrote:

Mace wrote:To date, Oregon hasn't faced a defense ranked higher than 47th nationally and, even as good as they look on offense, I think they'll fail if they're matched up against a quality D in the NC game, should they get the nod.

Gee, ya'think that playing against the nastiest offense in the history of the freaking game might have something to do with those teams' lower defensive ratings? Think Arizona's lofty defensive rankings might take a hit after they play Oregon?

I guess it's the same backass logic that brings people to the "last year's Rose Bowl" silliness. Should we still be afraid of Toby Gerhart and Reggie Bush coming to town? Is Carson Palmer going to kick our ass? How many years we going back here?

We heard the same bullshit last season about the "nastiest offense in the history of the game" and they were shut down when they faced a good defense, and the same will be true this season. And no, one game does not have that much effect on the stats. They've faced nothing more than mediocre to poor defenses.

Papa Willie wrote: Felix - I like BSU, but look man - you're NOT in a good conference at all if you're a fucking 40 point favorite in just about every conference game you play. Sorry.

I agree completely, the WAC sucks mule testicles hence the reason BSU opted to bolt for the Mountain West...while the bottom half of the Mountain West is marginally better than the bottom feeders of the WAC, the top half of the MWC is considerably better than the WAC....sorry to see BYU and Utah leave, but with Boise State, TCU, and the addition of Nevada and Fresno, the Mountain West will get more respect than the WAC ever thought about.....

Unlike some of my Boise State brethren, I have no delusions about how Boise State would fair in the SEC, the Big 10, Pac 1012 or the Big 12, but I think they could fair pretty well in either the ACC or the Big East

Talking heads on ESPN this morning say the computers will put Allbarn #1 in the BCS this week, and that if Allbarn, Mizzou and Oregon all run the the table, Oregon will be the odd duck out come the national championship game.

Goober McTuber wrote:Talking heads on ESPN this morning say the computers will put Allbarn #1 in the BCS this week, and that if Allbarn, Mizzou and Oregon all run the the table, Oregon will be the odd duck out come the national championship game.

if that were to transpire, it would simply be another travesty perpetrated by the BCS....in my humble opinion, Oregon is probably the best team in the country with Auburn being second (must reign in "homerism")......I'd love to see an undefeated Auburn and undefeated Oregon match-up for the MNC, unfortunately, I don't think Auburn can beat Alabama at Tuscaloosa...

Mizzou has a tough road schedule ahead of them and I can't see them going undefeated....so, assuming bama beats Auburn and Oregon goes undefeated the rest of the way, the MNC would most likely be tide/ducks

Papa Willie wrote:Home field doesn't really mean shit in the Iron Bowl. Hell - they haven't even been doing it that long.

The Iron Bowl not being at Legion Field in a neutral atmosphere is just plain wrong.

Well Oregon's offense last year was stout...and they were pretty much shut down in the Rose Bowl...

But this year they are a completely different animal...they are rolling...still a lot of ball left to be played...

Auburn is #1
Oregon #2

That would be a good matchup as things stand at the moment with the potential to set all kinds of scoring records for a championship game.
Michigan State up to #5 and a chance to move up.