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Danimal wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:We were a two team league with Nebraska and Colorado part of the conference... Nothing has changed. All of our television contracts are intact and being split up amongst fewer teams. We are better off without you and you people are too naive or ignorant to realize it.

You think too short-term. Neb is the winningest program of the last 50 years, one of the top10 programs of all-time, and they're coming back to national prominence quickly. If we we didn't have to deal with being on the con's shit-list we'd probablyf be the highest-ranked team in the con. Neb football was ranked in the Forbes top5 most-valuable football programs. We are an asset to a con, that is why the 10 took us when they certainly had other solid options. Yes because conference-ralignment was feared they made it so you split the same pie between fewer eaters. You'll make more money with us gone, but it'll short-term. It doesn't change the fact that one of the con's assets was lost and long-term value was decreased.

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Danimal wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:We were a two team league with Nebraska and Colorado part of the conference... Nothing has changed. All of our television contracts are intact and being split up amongst fewer teams. We are better off without you and you people are too naive or ignorant to realize it.

You think too short-term. Neb is the winningest program of the last 50 years, one of the top10 programs of all-time, and they're coming back to national prominence quickly. If we we didn't have to deal with being on the con's shit-list we'd probablyf be the highest-ranked team in the con. Neb football was ranked in the Forbes top5 most-valuable football programs. We are an asset to a con, that is why the 10 took us when they certainly had other solid options. Yes because conference-ralignment was feared they made it so you split the same pie between fewer eaters. You'll make more money with us gone, but it'll short-term. It doesn't change the fact that one of the con's assets was lost and long-term value was decreased.

Remind me what two football programs were both valued higher than Nebraska from the conference... oh yeah the two staying and one who your fans claim are just rubbing texas cock and Texas A&M was in the top ten as well. Spin away but the power, the tradition, and the ratings for the conference exist in general because of Oklahoma and Texas.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:Damn. Props to the 'skers for showing up today. Not much to say. That was a pretty thorough ass kicking. Good for Cody Hawkins for becoming CU's all-time passing leader. He might not be a great QB, but he's a good kid and he probably shouldered way more of the blame for CU's ineptitude over the past four years than he deserved.

H4ever, I'll change my sig whenever you come up with something. The avatar will have to wait til I get back into town next week. Good luck in the CCG. I think I might actually have to cheer for you guys. <shudder>

H4ever wrote: True...for the last ten years. Let's not forget how failed a program Tejas is if you factor the assets it has garnered on the football field. Something tells me T.O. and Bo Pelini would have much more to show for all those classes Texas recruited. Matter of fact...OU doesn't have much of a return (on a national level) for all its' top classes.

Can't spin/deny that shit. It's like polishing a terd...ain't gonna happen.

SunCoastSooner wrote:

H4ever wrote: True...for the last ten years. Let's not forget how failed a program Tejas is if you factor the assets it has garnered on the football field. Something tells me T.O. and Bo Pelini would have much more to show for all those classes Texas recruited. Matter of fact...OU doesn't have much of a return (on a national level) for all its' top classes.

Can't spin/deny that shit. It's like polishing a terd...ain't gonna happen.

Yeah Bo could do anything... he was the defensive coordinator for one of the worst two teams and defenses of the Bob Stoops era at Oklahoma and was pushed out the door.

Oklahoma has six conference titles, hopefully soon to be seven, and has played for the national title four times in the last eleven years; if that isn't a return then what the fuck exactly qualifies as a significant return? Repeated trips to the Alamo and Independence Bowls? Are you that much of a fucking moron... wait don't answer that because you already made such clear.

H4ever wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

H4ever wrote: True...for the last ten years. Let's not forget how failed a program Tejas is if you factor the assets it has garnered on the football field. Something tells me T.O. and Bo Pelini would have much more to show for all those classes Texas recruited. Matter of fact...OU doesn't have much of a return (on a national level) for all its' top classes.

Can't spin/deny that shit. It's like polishing a terd...ain't gonna happen.

Yeah Bo could do anything... he was the defensive coordinator for one of the worst two teams and defenses of the Bob Stoops era at Oklahoma and was pushed out the door.

Oklahoma has six conference titles, hopefully soon to be seven, and has played for the national title four times in the last eleven years; if that isn't a return then what the fuck exactly qualifies as a significant return? Repeated trips to the Alamo and Independence Bowls? Are you that much of a fucking moron... wait don't answer that because you already made such clear.

You don't get it do you, Preston? I don't give two shits about your trips there...where's the fucking crystal? Been a decade hasn't it? Yea...excellent return on those classes. Not shitty....but nothing to beat your chest over. The point I was making (more towards Tejas) is all those 5 star laden classes and one fucking title. Get it?

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Danimal wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:We were a two team league with Nebraska and Colorado part of the conference... Nothing has changed. All of our television contracts are intact and being split up amongst fewer teams. We are better off without you and you people are too naive or ignorant to realize it.

You think too short-term. Neb is the winningest program of the last 50 years, one of the top10 programs of all-time, and they're coming back to national prominence quickly. If we we didn't have to deal with being on the con's shit-list we'd probablyf be the highest-ranked team in the con. Neb football was ranked in the Forbes top5 most-valuable football programs. We are an asset to a con, that is why the 10 took us when they certainly had other solid options. Yes because conference-ralignment was feared they made it so you split the same pie between fewer eaters. You'll make more money with us gone, but it'll short-term. It doesn't change the fact that one of the con's assets was lost and long-term value was decreased.

Remind me what two football programs were both valued higher than Nebraska from the conference... oh yeah the two staying and one who your fans claim are just rubbing texas cock and Texas A&M was in the top ten as well. Spin away but the power, the tradition, and the ratings for the conference exist in general because of Oklahoma and Texas.

Danimal wrote: Third, quit with the "your fans" bullshit like we have some hive-mind going. It's just stupid to generalize a fanbase based on what you see from some flamers on the net.

SunCoastSooner wrote:
All of our television contracts are intact and being split up amongst fewer teams. We are better off without you and you people are too naive or ignorant to realize it.

H4ever wrote:M2 = SCS

TheJON wrote:The Big-12 is not a conference in 4-5 years, I guarantee it. OU and Texas will be just fine (probably A&M too), but the other schools will end up spread amongst conferences like the Mountain West and Big East (if there still is a Big East).

Losing Nebraska is a big loss to the Big-12 because of their national football following. Colorado is a loss because of the Denver TV market.

Having Texas and OU is good, but this TV deal that Dan Beebe keeps mentioning will never happen. I don't care how many TV execs have told him it will. The Big-12 needs to go steal a couple of teams from the Big East or ACC (if possible). If they don't, there will be no Big-12 in 2015.

Yeah, it's nice to have the Texas market locked up, but what else do they have besides OU's national name? Kansas City? Whoopty-doo. Ames? There's a reason the Big-10 doesn't want Missouri or Iowa State.

If I were the Big-12, I would get rid of Iowa State and Baylor and raid the Big East. Go get Pittsburgh, Rutgers, South Florida, and Cincinnati. 4 big markets while getting rid of a worthless Texas school (you already have the state locked up anyways) and a program with the 2nd biggest following in the state of Iowa.

Now you've got a 12 team league with better TV markets and can get the conference title game back.

Heck of a basketball conference too. Plus, that's not a bad football league either. Texas and OU plus a bunch of middle tier programs. In hoops you have Kansas, Texas, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Missouri, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma. That's a freakin meatgrinder. Would regularly be the best league in the country.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:

H4ever wrote:M2 = SCS

I've been thinking the same thing the last couple days. What's weird is, dude has been around since 2000, I think, and I've always thought of him as a pretty rational, well informed poster.

BTW, let me know if the sig is OK. I know you'd be hating life right now if you were wearing it and the teams were reversed. :( If Cornhusker wants to PM me the URL for the license plate, I could add it as my av immediately, otherwise, I'll do it when I get home.

SCS, man, if this was one big troll job, touché, I guess. If not, Frozen, KC, MO, War Stoops, skull, Moby or somebody (maybe a triumphant return by LK?) needs to borrow the "smack your own" stick from Mace and try to talk some sense into this guy. For christ's sake, I'm on the verge of rooting for Nebraska here...

Oklahoma football, the terror of Middle America since, oh, about 1948, is the sentimental favorite in the Big 12 Championship Game. The people's choice.

OU coach Bob Stoops reacts after the Bedlam college football game between the University of Oklahoma Sooners (OU) and the Oklahoma State University Cowboys (OSU) at Boone Pickens Stadium in Stillwater, Okla., Saturday, Nov. 27, 2010. Photo by Bryan Terry, The Oklahoman


OU plays Nebraska on Saturday night in Jerry Jones' Arlington spaceship, and fans from Waterloo, Iowa, to Alpine, Texas, will take crimson over scarlet. Will pull for the Big Red South over the Big Red North.

And Big 12 administrators, who outwardly will display all the proper decorum, will be humming Boomer Sooner under their breath.

Such is the fractured relationship of Nebraska and its soon-to-be ex-league, you couldn't blame Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe for telling the Cornhuskers, don't leave, just leave mad.

Corn Country is outraged that Beebe — nor anyone from the Big 12 office — showed up in Lincoln for the Nebraska-Colorado game Friday.

Beebe was honest about why he didn't go to Nebraska. He feared for his safety.

I talked to Beebe in the Boone Pickens press box Saturday night, and he said he had received enough threats from Nebraska fans — over the 2009 title game controversy, over his suspension of NU's Eric Martin for a helmet-to-helmet hit against Oklahoma State, over the officiating in the Nebraska-Texas A&M game two weeks ago — that he was advised to steer clear of Lincoln.

Now the Huskers consider it an affront that no one bothered to conduct a trophy presentation for the Big 12's North division title.

Never mind that Nebraska only tied for the North title, with Missouri. Never mind that most of us out here in reality land didn't even know they hand out divisional football trophies. OU's now been to eight Big 12 title games, and I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about a single division title ceremony.

Turns out there is a trophy, and sometimes even a presentation, but nobody in a precinct like Norman or Austin, or you would think Lincoln, gets excited about such pomp.

I don't think Nebraska's football standards have fallen so low that the Huskers prize a We-Beat-Mizzou piece of hardware. I just think a once-solid fan base has lost its collective mind.

Nebraskans have resorted to bloodlust over their exodus to the Big Ten. They've demonized the Longhorns. Called the rest of the league rubes for staying aligned with UT.

Hey, Huskers. The Big Ten is a great conference that offers lots of money and lots of intriguing competition. Nobody blames you for going.

We blame you for losing your class.

Last November, one calendar year, I wrote a column with a banner headline: “Why can't every place be like Lincoln?”

I applauded Nebraska's commitment to hospitality and courtesy and a stadium experience the way it ought to be.

What happened to those people? Now Nebraska seems inhabited by a bunch of kooks who frighten off Beebe, an ex-NCAA investigator, and fire off uncouth e-mails like they're from Louisiana or somewhere.

And Husker coach Bo Pelini has gone raving mad, receiving a rebuke from his own chancellor, Harvey Perlman, after accosting an official after the A&M game.

The truth is, no one in Big 12 country was excited about Nebraska winning the football championship in its last year in the league. Now it's become a crusade; keep the Huskers 0-for-the-21st century in trophies that really matter.

The Sooners haven't fostered a lot of goodwill over the years, running roughshod (with the Huskers) over the Big Eight for decades, then dominating the Texas schools the last decade.

But OU popularity soars this week. In Iowa and Kansas and Missouri, even in all those Dairy Queen towns south of the Red River, they're chanting in unison.

Go Big Red.

Of the South.

The Big 12 still has eight of the 50 largest TV markets in the country not four... Jon and math/common sense just don't mix

TheJON wrote:The Pac-10, Big-10, SEC, and ACC are in great shape and the other conferences are going to be fucked big time.

Texas' multimedia rights partner is IMG College, a division of IMG, a global sports, entertainment, management, marketing and TV behemoth. "IMG is ready to move on a network," Maestas said. "Texas knows what's feasible, and Texas really knows what it's worth."

However, he called the projected average annual TV splits of $20 million for Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M, with the other schools getting $14 million-$17 million each, "too high, just not realistic."

"Now, who knows? Maybe they can break the mold and come up with a model nobody's seen."

His firm projects an average annual total of $135 million a year for the 10 schools.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:SCS,
Here is a quote from the exact same four-month-old article you used to "prove" how much UT and OU somehow stand to gain by losing two of the most prominent schools in the conference, not to mention CCG revenue.

Texas' multimedia rights partner is IMG College, a division of IMG, a global sports, entertainment, management, marketing and TV behemoth. "IMG is ready to move on a network," Maestas said. "Texas knows what's feasible, and Texas really knows what it's worth."

However, he called the projected average annual TV splits of $20 million for Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M, with the other schools getting $14 million-$17 million each, "too high, just not realistic."

"Now, who knows? Maybe they can break the mold and come up with a model nobody's seen."

His firm projects an average annual total of $135 million a year for the 10 schools.

Keep trying, dude. It's all smoke and mirrors by Tejas and Beebe. You can debate the value of CU and NU to the conference til you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, as Jon and I and many others have pointed out, you gain literally nothing in return. There's simply no way that the Texas 10 will be better off by standing pat. If you had picked up TCU and maybe SMU or Houston, you might have a leg to stand on. But you added nothing. The T10 TV contract might pay you guys a little more than the current shitty one, simply based on inflation and the horrible nature of the existing contract, but rest assured, it will pale in comparison to the the deals inked by the Pac 12 and Big Ten. Surely you realize this, right?

SunCoastSooner wrote: None of those schools you mentioned add anything at all. We already control those markets. Do you really believe there are more Houston grads and fans, even in Houston, than there are Texas, aTm, OU, and OSU grads? OrTCU grads in Dallas than the fore mentioned? Are you nuts? The only major market The Big 12 lost with the two of you leaving is Denver and college athletics have always played step sister to the Broncos, nuggets, and a lesser extent the Rockies.

Even with the revenue at 135 million with the new split Oklahoma will be garnering more than 2 1/2 million dollars more a season than previous. Oklahoma and aTm are both looking into their own networks as well or pushing for a Big 12 Network overall which ESPN and Fox both adamantly are trying to prevent.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:Seriously dude? They add nothing? You're probably right that you already own those TV markets, but don't you think it would be slightly beneficial to teams like Mizzou and K State to play a game in either Dallas/Fort Worth or Houston every year? I realize it's not that hard for tu and OU to pull kids from those areas already, but I would think that playing a game in their own backyard would probably even make it easier for those schools too, to say nothing of the goodwill (i.e. donations) it would engender among fans and alums in those cities. Plus, it'd give you enough teams for a CCG again.

Look, I'm not saying that OU is going to crumble into ruin because CU and NU left you high and dry. You guys will land on your feet however things shake out over the next few years. But your continued insistence that the T10 is somehow better off as is after losing those schools and adding nothing is just laughable. Maybe there are better schools to add than the ones I threw out there. Maybe the conference will ultimately just split up like it almost did this summer. But if the T10 thinks it will be taken seriously as is compared to the SEC and the revamped Pac 12 and Big Ten, you've really gone off the deep end. You guys will survive for the time being, but you're gonna need to make some changes sooner (no pun intended) rather than later.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:

H4ever wrote:M2 = SCS

I've been thinking the same thing the last couple days. What's weird is, dude has been around since 2000, I think, and I've always thought of him as a pretty rational, well informed poster.

BTW, let me know if the sig is OK. I know you'd be hating life right now if you were wearing it and the teams were reversed. :( If Cornhusker wants to PM me the URL for the license plate, I could add it as my av immediately, otherwise, I'll do it when I get home.

SCS, man, if this was one big troll job, touché, I guess. If not, Frozen, KC, MO, War Stoops, skull, Moby or somebody (maybe a triumphant return by LK?) needs to borrow the "smack your own" stick from Mace and try to talk some sense into this guy. For christ's sake, I'm on the verge of rooting for Nebraska here...