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OK, so the mighty SEC has a meh record in BCS bowls.

It doesn't stop them from putting 10 exhalted teams in the bowls every year.

SCS: Don't be such a slut for trolling, dude.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Mace wrote:Personally, I look forward to the Big 10 having a CCG next year.

Yeah...anything other than this year's garbage.

This year would have been a rematch of Wisky-MSU. I'd have enjoyed that immensely. You, not so much so.

Carson wrote:OK, so the mighty SEC has a meh record in BCS bowls.

It doesn't stop them from putting 10 exhalted teams in the bowls every year.

SCS: Don't be such a slut for trolling, dude.

No overall in Bowls. The SEC is fourth in winning percentage among the BCS automatic qualifiers. Congrats on half your league getting qualified by playing three or four Sun Belt teams a season. Shit the enrtire country ashould be able to win overtime games against UAB at home and still go bowling. Only the ACC and Big Ten have a worse record in Bowl games during the era. You're below the Big Least in percentage, we hear you beat your chest all season long about the mutt grinder and then turn in performances like Arkiesaw against East Carolina, Utah v. Bama. The country is sick of, your performance on the field both OOC in the regular season and in the Bowl games that does't warrant the hype bestowed upon it.

Sudden Sam wrote:The SEC is 6-0 in BCS title games.

hard to top that one

Sudden Sam wrote:The SEC is 6-0 in BCS title games.

Congrats on having a top team each year, never have argued otherwise. But the conference overall when looked at objectively based on OOC opponents is not deserving of all the ESPiN hand jobs it has received. Truthfully OOC the SEC has been lackluster. Losing record two seasons in a row against out of conference BCS conference opponents is not indicative of being the overwjelmingly most dominant conference in the country as it claims to be.

Congrats again on the tiles but those are only representative of a single team in the conference each season and not the conference as a whole.

Sudden Sam wrote:Yeah, the SEC only has one good team per year. The ADs funnel all the good players to a particular school. The "top school" each year is determined by a card draw in the spring.

Couldn't be that playing tough competition each week makes the opponent in the NC game seem like a walk in the park, could it?

You have absolutely no rationality. You take each and every statement about the SEC and take it to one extreme or another. You beat your chest on regular basis about you supposedly not being an SEC ball sucking homer but 90% of your posts over the last 18 months have been completely contrary to that claim. Try looking at something objectionably... if the Pac 10 had won multiple titles over the last decade but was in the bottom half of winning percentage in bowl games amongst the BCS conferences during the BCS era and losing record overall the last two seasons and three of the last five against OOC BCS conference opponents what would you be stating about it overall as a conference?

You have just about laid claim to the most largest SECBSH on the board over the last year and a half.

SunCoastSooner wrote: You have just about laid claim to the most largest SECBSH on the board over the last year and a half.

Dude, delete this -- we don't need JSC being offended and stepping up his game.

Dinsdale wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote: You have just about laid claim to the most largest SECBSH on the board over the last year and a half.

Dude, delete this -- we don't need JSC being offended and stepping up his game.

or Papa Wille. who, in the off-season, managed to turn 85% of the threads on the board into self-fellatio about how *some SEC team other than Auburn* had won the NC....and nearly always with a whiplash swerve of "logic" re: the actual thread topic. don't see Sooner fan braggin' about the Texas 05 team. Ever.

TheJON wrote:Is Iowa 5 plays away from unbeaten or not???

Sure, whatever floats your boat. I suppose then Indiana was one play away from reducing Iowa to a .500 football team. See how easy this game is?

The argument that you're a great football team because you suck at winning games is a tough sell.

Goober McTuber wrote:This year would have been a rematch of Wisky-MSU. I'd have enjoyed that immensely. You, not so much so.

You can go ahead and claim some sort of hypothetical bode if that makes you feel better. I'll just claim actual bode.

Sudden Sam wrote:And, if AU wins that one, I'll be a damn Ducks or Horned Frogs fan in January.

Sure, but it won't stop you from busting out "SEC!! 7-0 Baby!!!" when the time calls for it.

Gotta say, Sam, you're a master at playing both sides depending on your agenda.

Papa Willie wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Carson wrote:A re-match wouldn't occur if there were playoffs?

Happens in NCAA basketball all the time.

...and a football playoff bracket would include almost all of the glorious SEC teams anyway, just like the bowls.

Is that why the glorious SEC is actually 4th in winning percentage in bowl games during the BCS era... go figure. Maybe you can garner more glory this year while Arkiesaw escapes another ECU or maybe Utah can play Bama again.

You've yet to supply a link.

Secondly, why do you have this SEC-hating thing ALWAYS going on? Is it because you moved away from the land of the dust bowl to SEC country and they don't treat you fairly?

I don't hate the SEC. I hate the way the fans act. Miss State has no claim to any sort of board because Florida and Alabama have won national titles. The incessant "SEC, SEC, SEC" chant after teams like Arkansas escape East Carolina, Tennessee is skating by UAB at home in OT, or Oklahoma State is running roughshod on Georgia (like last year) is absurd and downright pitiful. The SEC plays top notch football but the conference as a whole is not far superior to the rest of the country as it claims and it shows on the scoreboard. I freeely admit that the top team and sometimes two are usually the best or two of the best in the country but that is not all twelve by any means. If you want credit for playing a grand total of ten OOC games against other BCS conference opponents and having a .500 record in those games then you're looking in the wrong place. If you want credit for having over half the league playing multiple Sun Belt and FCS schools a season you're looking in the wrong place again. Is there some sort of requirement that SEC football teams have to play a Louisiana Directional school at least two out of every three years? Seriously, seven teams played a Louisiana Directional school this season... and that's before you even toss schools like Charleston Southern, Tennessee-Martin, Tennessee Tech, Chatanooga, Jacksonville State (who Mississippi lost to). 2/3 of the SEC conference played at least two games against FCS and/or Directional schools this season! Show me a single other conference in the country that did that! The SEC played fewer OOC BCS schools than any other conference with an automatic bid and even played fewer than the WAC and Mountain West. You want to toot your horn about how bad ass the SEC is as a whole then get out there and prove it on the damn field but shit like beating UAB in overtime at home, losing to Jacksonville State, and the only team in the entire conference who played more than one OOC BCS team going 0-3 against them (Vanderbilt) don't cut it in my eyes.

Sudden Sam wrote:If I had moved from beautiful meth-ridden Oklahoma to the Florida gulf coast I'd be bitter, too.

Please Sam, my in laws are from Bama... your glass house is shattering around you. I am from Texas (Austin and San Antonio) and I spent my college years in Oklahoma before moving away right after graduation. Please do try and even attempt comparing Birmingham, Huntsville, or that shit hole Mobile to Destin, San Antonio, or Austin. I've been to Tuscaloosa and Auburn as well, they don't hold a candle to Norman and Austin. Alabama is one of the most backassward places on the entire continent. I'd take Oklahoma City which I am no huge fan of over anywhere in Alabama in a heartbeat. OKC has an NBA team, a tripple A baeball team, one of the best minor league hockey franchises in America, the Canal, Bricktown... Birminghanm has Iron and Paper mills and double A baseball team... you're real big time there brother, real big time.

Papa Willie wrote:SCS - I don't have the time to go back and research it all, but lacking two years, this is the only thing I've found so far:

http://blog.philsteele.com/2010/07/10/c ... st-decade/

How is the SEC 4th in winning percentage?

They have also had some very bad years. And their record OOC during the regular season is by no means anything to brag about.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

TheJON wrote:Is Iowa 5 plays away from unbeaten or not???

Sure, whatever floats your boat. I suppose then Indiana was one play away from reducing Iowa to a .500 football team. See how easy this game is?

The argument that you're a great football team because you suck at winning games is a tough sell.

But they aren't a great team BECAUSE they couldn't finish games out. I have been saying this. But they are a good team.

Really, this year makes absolutely no sense at all. Arizona and Minnesota were the only games all year Iowa played bad in- and the Minnesota was clearly due to the disappointment and tough losses. That was more a lack of effort than anything, but if we enter that game in better shape, we beat Minnesota by 40 like we do every year we are having a good season. We always struggle with them when it's been a disappointing season or coming off a couple of heartbreaking defeats (like last year). I would rather finish the season with Wisconsin because no matter what, we will show up for it. Minnesota is a tough ending if you've had a disappointing year. I'm not making excuses, just stating the truth. Hard for a team full of 18-22 year olds to show up for a game against a very bad team after this type of season. When we are riding an emotional high, we beat the fuck out of them every time.

But really, this team played good football almost the entire year. That's the sad thing. Arizona was just a bad game. Minnesota was a bad game (for reasons described above) and we played 2 bad quarters of football against Northwestern. Other than that, they played damn good football........except in the clutch. It just doesn't make any sense. I'm telling you, this team would be NO WORSE than a coinflip ANYWHERE against ANY team in the country other than Auburn and Oregon. It would be more like a 60/40 shot (not in our favor). The only game all year we didn't hold a lead at some point with under 5 minutes to play was Arizona- and the only reason we didn't have a lead with 3 minutes to play in that game was because of a missed PAT after tying the game.

But here's the thing......outside the Indiana game, there was absolutely no breaks going our way. In my mind, a team should not sit around waiting for breaks. Go out and make plays. That's not my point. My point is, let's say a couple of those teams fumble a snap on their game winning drive or make a terrible throw and it is picked off. Because of nothing we did, everyone is saying what a great team Iowa is because we finished with 10-11 wins. But we didn't get those lucky bounces, so we suck. It was amazing how flawless teams would play against us in the clutch. I don't even care how poor we played defensively.........in the 6 game winning touchdown drives, I'm not sure more than 2 passes TOTAL was incomplete. And I'm not kidding. Regardless of how bad the defense is playing- that is pretty amazing. In fact, it's darn near impossible. While I would certainly agree this team has absolutely NOBODY but themselves to blame- the truth is this team had almost no good fortune and was a couple lucky bounces away from the BCS. I will never fully understand what happened this year to this team. This was the weirdest, most unexplainable seasons I have ever seen in any sport. Regardless of our record, I will still contend that this team beats every team on our schedule (except Wisconsin) 7 or more times out of 10. Even Ohio State. I think Wisconsin is just plain a coinflip. Iowa probably wins 6 in Kinnick, Wisconsin probably wins 6 in Madison, they probably split on a neutral field.

Papa Willie wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:

Carson wrote:A re-match wouldn't occur if there were playoffs?

Happens in NCAA basketball all the time.

...and a football playoff bracket would include almost all of the glorious SEC teams anyway, just like the bowls.

Is that why the glorious SEC is actually 4th in winning percentage in bowl games during the BCS era... go figure. Maybe you can garner more glory this year while Arkiesaw escapes another ECU or maybe Utah can play Bama again.

You've yet to supply a link.

Secondly, why do you have this SEC-hating thing ALWAYS going on? Is it because you moved away from the land of the dust bowl to SEC country and they don't treat you fairly?

I got you a link:

http://blog.philsteele.com/2010/07/10/c ... st-decade/

I think SCS is dislexic....

Jon - that was the same link I posted, wasn't it?

Oops, my bad. Did not see that.

I assume we both googled "bowl records over past 10 years"?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:This year would have been a rematch of Wisky-MSU. I'd have enjoyed that immensely. You, not so much so.

You can go ahead and claim some sort of hypothetical bode if that makes you feel better.

Going to Pasadena rather than central Florida makes me feel good enough, thank you.

TheJON wrote:Regardless of our record, I will still contend that this team beats every team on our schedule (except Wisconsin) 7 or more times out of 10. Even Ohio State. I think Wisconsin is just plain a coinflip. Iowa probably wins 6 in Kinnick, Wisconsin probably wins 6 in Madison, they probably split on a neutral field.

Classic Jonsense.

Goober McTuber wrote:

TheJON wrote:Regardless of our record, I will still contend that this team beats every team on our schedule (except Wisconsin) 7 or more times out of 10. Even Ohio State. I think Wisconsin is just plain a coinflip. Iowa probably wins 6 in Kinnick, Wisconsin probably wins 6 in Madison, they probably split on a neutral field.

Classic Jonsense.

Care to explain?

Go back to fucking your fat cheerleaders. You ever have a take, tard? I have never figured out why rejects like yourself don't just stay over in CDS instead of posting over here. You have probably 4,000 posts on BTPCFB and maybe 3 of them were actual football takes. You are wasting time that could be spent fucking all those fat Wisconsin women you have at your disposal.

TheJON wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

TheJON wrote:Regardless of our record, I will still contend that this team beats every team on our schedule (except Wisconsin) 7 or more times out of 10. Even Ohio State. I think Wisconsin is just plain a coinflip. Iowa probably wins 6 in Kinnick, Wisconsin probably wins 6 in Madison, they probably split on a neutral field.

Classic Jonsense.

Care to explain?

You have nothing to back up your suppositions other than some corn-fed gut feeling. The Badgers beat you on your own field and since that day Wisconsin has gotten better and Iowa has continued their downward spiral. But go on telling yourself that Iowa is one of the elite teams this year that just got a few bad breaks. Idiot.

You have nothing to back up your suppositions other than some corn-fed gut feeling. The Badgers beat you on your own field and since that day Wisconsin has gotten better and Iowa has continued their downward spiral. But go on telling yourself that Iowa is one of the elite teams this year that just got a few bad breaks. Idiot.

I got an idea. You stop making up what I say in just one of your posts.

Iowa is not an elite team this year. They shouldn't even be ranked. That's what the pathetic thing is. Because they are CAPABLE of doing better, and have nobody but themselves to blame.

I like how you claim I have nothing to back it up other than "gut-feeling". What's your claim, dipshit?

Iowa played 3 Top 10 opponents this year and outscored those 3 by 27 points combined. I think maybe we're capable of hanging with the top teams. It was just a season where the bounces didn't go our way and we couldn't find a way in the end to put teams like Wisconsin and Ohio State away.

Could Iowa beat those teams at least half the time? Absolutely, and they proved it on the field. 31-30 and 20-17 were our losses vs top 10 teams and our win was 37-6. What's your PROOF that Iowa CAN'T hang with these teams? This should be very well thought out I'm sure. I can't wait for this epic response. I'll save you the trouble........."iowa sucks and you're a poopy butt". That's twice as intelligent of a response than I actually expect from you.

TheJON wrote:...johnsense...

football is a game of slim margins to begin with, so no one really understands why you're hanging your hat on "five plays from the mnc." the difference between a two yard TFL and an 80-yard td run is that a lineman was a half-step too slow and blocked the inside shoulder rather than the outside.

besides, what five plays are you talking about? a hail mary? two hail mary's and a pick six? a one-yard td run by wisco that wouldn't have been a td if homeboy fumbled?

7-5 football teams are generally 7-5 teams because they're not good enough to win eight games.

football is a game of slim margins to begin with, so no one really understands why you're hanging your hat on "five plays from the mnc."

How many 7-5 football teams have ever been 5 plays away from unbeaten? Seriously. Heck, there's maybe a dozen 8-4 teams ever that could say that.

No 7-5 team is ever THIS close. That "slim margins" is not entirely true.

besides, what five plays are you talking about? a hail mary? two hail mary's and a pick six? a one-yard td run by wisco that wouldn't have been a td if homeboy fumbled?

5 losses. 1 play in any one of those games and we won. I'm not talking about a hail mary in any of the games. If we just would have made 1 defensive play or 1 more offensive play (not a hail mary), we win the games.

If Pryor doesn't convert a 4th and 10, we beat Ohio State.
If Wisconsin doesn't convert a fake punt OR Stanzi doesn't take a sack on our last drive OR we make 1 defensive play on their final drive OR we don't botch a PAT and a 28 yard FG (neither of which was forced).........we beat Wisconsin
If we make our PAT late in the Arizona game and just make a damn play on defense on their final drive OR drive the football against Arizona.......we win that one.
If Coker doesn't fumble on the 1st play of our final drive against Minnesota OR we don't allow a 50 yard fluke pass that Adam Weber will never again complete in his life.....we beat Minnesota.
If Stanzi does not throw that horrible interception OR we make just 1 defensive play on Northwestern's 2 late TD drives that were 85+ yards......we win that game.

I don't have a stat to back this up and I'm not going to spend the time researching it, but I would guess there has NEVER been a 7-5 (or 7-4, or 6-5) football team that's come this close.

M Club,

Here is some numbers for you.......


-Iowa had a LEAD with under 3 minutes to play in EVERY game this year except for Arizona (because we missed the PAT to take the lead).
-Iowa has not lost a single game by MORE than 7 points since 2007 (Western Michigan......god damn that's embarrassing!)
-Iowa has won 5 games in the last 3 years against teams that FINISHED the season in the Top 15- 3 of those were road games.
-Iowa has lost 11 games since the start of 2008........by a COMBINED 40 points.
-Iowa has not trailed by more than 10 points at ANY point in time during a game since the 1st quarter of the Pittsburgh game the 3rd week of the 2008 season.

Iowa has been tied or had a lead with less than 3 minutes to play at some point in EVERY game except 1 (Northwestern 2009, but we did have a 10-0 lead in the 1st half before Stanzi went down) over our last 30 games (Michigan State 2008 is the last time and we lost that 16-13 after Shonn Greene was stuffed on a 4th and 1 at the MSU 21 yard line late).

Forget the records.........how many teams in the country do you think can say they have at least been tied or had a lead at some point with less than 3 minutes in 29 of their last 30 games? 1? 2? Nobody but Iowa? Yes, I realize the win is all that really matters, but I'm just showing you how damn close this team is and that they're better than their record.

Find me some comparable 7-5.....or even 8-4.......teams.

Normally, I would agree that a 7-5 team isn't any good. But this is different, and you cannot dispute that. No 7-5 team has been THIS close. It just doesn't happen. With under 5 minutes to play in every single game this year........Iowa should have won (with the exception of possibly Arizona). But the bounces just didn't go our way and we made a few mistakes.

This team has PROVEN, despite the record, they can play with and beat just about any team in the country. That's not my homer Hawkeye bias there. I can back that up with actual on the field results.

You find me another 7-5 football team that had to choke to beat 2 Top 10 teams AND beat another Top 10 team by 31 points. This is my point. 7-5 football teams can't normally stake their claim to being a coinflip (or better) against Top 10 teams.......but would you argue Iowa wouldn't be a coinflip against every Top 10 team besides Auburn and Oregon? I don't see how you could. Honestly, I truly believe Iowa could manhandle any of those teams (excluding Auburn/Oregon) on any given day. I have absolutely no doubt about it. This is why I am pissed off about this year because this team really was capable of more than they accomplished. 2005, we went 7-5..........that team would have lost 56-0 to this team. They were so far away from contention it's not even funny. Not this year. We get a couple lucky bounces (like most teams that win a lot of games do) or make 1 more god damn play down the stretch..........and this is an 11-1 or 12-0 team. That's no joke. It's the truth.

7-5 football teams are generally 7-5 teams because they're not good enough to win eight games.

Exactly. Couldn't agree more. There's always the exception to the rule, no?

Seriously JON, consider this...

TheJON wrote: No 7-5 team has been THIS close.

doubt that's true considering i don't even have to look past my own team to refute this. michigan was 7-5 in 2005. the biggest margin of defeat was seven to notre dame in a game where henne fumbled on the goal line one play after what should have been called a michigan touchdown. they lost two games by four and the two others by three.

and iowa's season is all the less rare considering every preseason gives us some team who lost x games last year by a combined y points and returns nearly everyone so watch out for them.

you're never going to convince anyone iowa was "this close" considering THEY HAVE FIVE LOSSES!!!!! one or two close games can be called "this close;" five close losses just means your team is a cock tease.

TheJON wrote:What's your PROOF that Iowa CAN'T hang with these teams?

The scoreboard?

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Just edited out the other words (might have missed an "if" or two).


So, I'm going to have to rack Noj for recently discovering the wonderful game of football.


Of all the jonsesnse, that was about the stupidest shit I've ever read.

you're never going to convince anyone iowa was "this close" considering THEY HAVE FIVE LOSSES!!!!! one or two close games can be called "this close;" five close losses just means your team is a cock tease.

So which game did we not have a GREAT chance at the end of winning? We were 5 plays away. 5 plays is not close???

doubt that's true considering i don't even have to look past my own team to refute this. michigan was 7-5 in 2005. the biggest margin of defeat was seven to notre dame in a game where henne fumbled on the goal line one play after what should have been called a michigan touchdown. they lost two games by four and the two others by three.

Michigan won 3 games that year that they had absolutely no business winning or got piss ass lucky and the other team choked. The Iowa game is a prime example. Iowa dominates the entire game and Michigan somehow pulled out a giant fluke win thanks to some horrible mistakes by Iowa and some TERRIBLE calls by the refs- most notably Dave Witvoet (Michigan native). Wasn't the 2005 Penn State game the one with the mysterious extra second on the clock? I'm also fairly certain you scored late to beat MSU, in a game that (if memory serves me correctly), Michigan was pretty well outplayed.

3 of your 7 wins were by 3 points or less. 2010 Iowa did not have a single game with with a victory of that slim of margin, and only 2 games did we win by less than 21 points.

I saw 2005 Michigan in person. 2010 Iowa was MUCH better. Michigan in 2005 was LUCKY to have beaten 2005 Iowa- a mediocre team. Don't get me wrong, your 2005 squad that went 7-5 was a shit ton better than your 7-5 2010 squad, but come on.......you got 3 lucky breaks that year and still could only manage a 7-5 record.

Also, didn't Michigan score late to cut it to 4 against Ohio State in that game, or am I incorrect with that? I was thinking Michigan never really had a chance late to win that one. And the Alamo Bowl........you needed a Hail Mary.

Dinsdale wrote:

TheJON wrote:What's your PROOF that Iowa CAN'T hang with these teams?

The scoreboard?

The scoreboard indicates we CAN hang with those teams. We lost by a combined 4 points to Ohio State and Wisconsin and beat Michigan State by 31. So this means we can't hang with them??????

M Club wrote:besides, what five plays are you talking about?

You just had to ask, didn't you? :roll:

It was somewhat entertaining when Toolio did it.

Oregon was 5 plays away from not being in the MNC game.

Auburn is about 2 plays away from not being in the Trinket Bowl.

Stanford is less that 5 plays away from the Marbles.

tOSU is 5 plays or less from a shot.

Should we keep going?

TheJON wrote: So which game did we not have a GREAT chance at the end of winning? We were 5 plays away. 5 plays is not close???

no, the insight bowl is not close.

Michigan won 3 games that year that they had absolutely no business winning or got piss ass lucky and the other team choked. The Iowa game is a prime example. Iowa dominates the entire game and Michigan somehow pulled out a giant fluke win thanks to some horrible mistakes by Iowa and some TERRIBLE calls by the refs- most notably Dave Witvoet (Michigan native). Wasn't the 2005 Penn State game the one with the mysterious extra second on the clock? I'm also fairly certain you scored late to beat MSU, in a game that (if memory serves me correctly), Michigan was pretty well outplayed.

3 of your 7 wins were by 3 points or less. 2010 Iowa did not have a single game with with a victory of that slim of margin, and only 2 games did we win by less than 21 points.

of course, caveats. michigan was just as close, if we can call five losses close. michigan was so lucky iowa "blew" that 14-10 lead they had and, oh ja, it took a late iowa field goal to send it into overtime. there were actually two mysterious seconds added in the penn state game: one carr argued to have put on and another paterno argued for. and as for michigan state, i didn't realize winning a tough road game was an indictment against a team, especially since it only went to overtime because the refs ruled an incomplete pass a fumble that msu returned for the tying td.

Also, didn't Michigan score late to cut it to 4 against Ohio State in that game, or am I incorrect with that? I was thinking Michigan never really had a chance late to win that one. And the Alamo Bowl........you needed a Hail Mary.

michigan had a two-score lead late in the game before going to the jim herrmann hurry-up-and-beat-us defense he designed after chuck woodson graduated. and didn't need a hail mary against nebraska as much as we could have used a slow white guy willing to give the ball to the black track star running alongside him:

no, the insight bowl is not close.

Oh christ on a stick...........I give up.

You're right, we were like 11 billion plays away. We lost by 50 points in every game, unlike the other 7-5 teams throughout the years that can at least keep games close. What a horrible team........outplaying Top 10 teams for all or a majority of the game. Worst team ever? Discuss.

michigan was so lucky iowa "blew" that 14-10 lead they had and, oh ja, it took a late iowa field goal to send it into overtime.

We spent the entire game in Michigan territory but had a missed FG or 2 and a turnover or 2 in the red zone. The pathetic part of that game is it NEVER should have even been close but we pretty much fucked ourselves in the ass.......sorta like we did in a few games this year. Shit happens. That season we weren't that good- though we did improve throughout the year. Michigan brought their refs to Iowa City and then Florida brought their refs to the bowl game. And, before you call me a whiny bitch- the Outback Bowl refs were actually reprimanded and suspended by the CUSA conference and their head of officials or whatever the fuck they call themselves admitted there were MANY poor calls against Iowa.

and didn't need a hail mary against nebraska as much as we could have used a slow white guy willing to give the ball to the black track star running alongside him:

Ok, now I remember that game. Wasn't it the "battle of teams that didn't want to be there"? I remember watching it in my hotel in Tampa and some drunk Iowa fan ran down the hall yelling something about how Michigan got what they deserved today for cheating against Iowa. Drunk or not, he did have a point! :D

TheJON wrote:

You have nothing to back up your suppositions other than some corn-fed gut feeling. The Badgers beat you on your own field and since that day Wisconsin has gotten better and Iowa has continued their downward spiral. But go on telling yourself that Iowa is one of the elite teams this year that just got a few bad breaks. Idiot.

I got an idea. You stop making up what I say in just one of your posts.

I didn’t make up a damn thing. You claimed that if Wisconsin and Iowa played 12 times they’d each win 6 times. Nothing I’ve seen from either team backs that up.

Oh, and Iowa sucks poopy butt.

Oh christ on a stick...........I give up.

Just repeat this, over and over again. Because in this thread, you really should.

Iowa is what they are, a 7-5 team. Like I posted before, 6 plays were different last year and Charlie Weis is still the head coach for Notre Dame after playing in the NC game. They had 4th quarter leads against UCONN, Michigan and Stanford. They had late turnovers against Navy and Pittsburgh when they had the ball in a position to drive the field and tie or win the game. They had a shot to tie USC fall incomplete because a WR slipped.

Sure is a lot of “if” statements, isn’t there?

Good teams find ways to win. Average teams find ways to lose. Iowa is an average team this year.

You saw Michigan once in 2005, so they weren’t as good as Iowa this year? What if a guy went to the 2005 UofM/PSU game and the 2010 Iowa/Minnesota game?

JON, your team was average this year when they should have been better. Happens to everyone. ND came off a year where they should have won the national championship in 1993, only to go 6-5-1 in 1994. All of those losses were close, except to Boston College.

One of the more impressive celebrations at Toomer's:



Yeah, championship games are a joke.