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BSmack wrote:If you're talking about retiring to a golfing lifestyle with plenty of course variety, I'd be looking at places like Hilton Head, where they have multiple award winning layouts. Or, if you like seasons, a place like Killington.

Arizona, if you have somewhere else to go in summer.

They have a decent course or two in california, or so I hear.

Phibes,

If you happen to be on your way to Saratoga, try some places in the High Peaks. Like this one...

http://www.lakeplacidcp.com/golf.html

And if you want to hack it up on a reasonably priced but well maintained muni while you're in Placid, try this place.

http://www.craigwoodgolfclub.com/

Of course there's also Westport if you happen to be close to Plattsburgh.

http://www.westportcountryclub.com/

Not to mention that there's an assload of cheap munis all over the High Peaks region that should more than satisfy your inner hacker.

BSmack wrote:
http://www.lakeplacidcp.com/golf.html

That looks brilliant, it's nice being in The Adirondacks and really knowing you're there, it's stunning. And a closer drive than Saratoga. Nice B, this info will be passed on.

Dr_Phibes wrote:

BSmack wrote:
http://www.lakeplacidcp.com/golf.html

That looks brilliant, it's nice being in The Adirondacks and really knowing you're there, it's stunning. And a closer drive than Saratoga. Nice B, this info will be passed on.

The Placid Club is one of the best places around. Another hint, if the weather is nice, try this place for an after round bite to eat before hitting the hotel bar circuit.

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/237/1116933 ... ake-Placid

It is only worth it if you can eat on the deck. The view of the mountains is nothing short of epic. Otherwise it is no big deal.

RACK any and all political threads that get hijacked into golf discussions.

Looks like spring is starting to spring here, and soon the fairways won't be quicksand any more.

Dinsdale wrote:RACK any and all political threads that get hijacked into golf discussions.

Looks like spring is starting to spring here, and soon the fairways won't be quicksand any more.

beats da fukk outta an abortion hijack, that's for sure.

in these parts, teeing off with a closed 2 iron until atleast mid july is prolly gonna be a good strategy. it is going to be an absolute swamp out there for quite sometime. there will be plenty of right down the middle high drives lost as they plug deep enough that they will be playable in china.

smackaholic wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:RACK any and all political threads that get hijacked into golf discussions.

Looks like spring is starting to spring here, and soon the fairways won't be quicksand any more.

beats da fukk outta an abortion hijack, that's for sure.

Rack. One of the many reasons why I love this Board. We go from a judge's ruling, to Canadian immigration, to our favorite links in the space of 50 well-written (for the most part) posts. Well played, gentlemen.

But now that you've brought up a Supreme Court ruling and abortion .....


Just kidding.

Tom In VA wrote:But now that you've brought up a Supreme Court ruling and abortion .....


Just kidding.

Oh, don't get me wrong -- any topic that lends itself to Upper Mexican seal-clubbing smack through even the most tenuous link is aces in my book.

Dinsdale wrote:Upper Mexican seal-clubbing smack

Baby seal walks into a bar...................

ADAM wrote: YOU ARE A MORON IF YOU THINK HEALTH CARE IS A RIGHT!

your right....I'm sure you're much more comfortable with the insurance companies and health care professionals fucking the the people of this country two ways to sunday

I just had arthroscopic surgery on my shoulder last November....total bill was $30,000+-, with my out of pocket share being about $4,800 (not including rehab, which my insurance company capped last year at $800 or prescriptions)....do you know how much rehab you can get for $800? not much, so I've had to shell out about another $1,500 for rehab and meds...fortunately, I can afford it but I know a lot of people that can't....

and I've got a pretty decent health care plan....

so what do you think the answer is to Americans having to dole out $0.15 to 0.20 of every $1 for health care related costs

Felix wrote:Do you know how much rehab you can get for $800?

poptart wrote:

Felix wrote:Do you know how much rehab you can get for $800?

When I had my wisdom teeth removed, that shit worked WAY better than the vicodin I was prescribed.

The problem with the bunkered opposition to a rationale health plan for America is the bizarre implosion of the Christer cult--as it has become like a bloated boil of bile and stress....

The results from a recent poll published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-El ... igion.aspx) reveal what social scientists have known for a long time: White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus. It is perhaps one of the strangest, most dumb-founding ironies in contemporary American culture. Evangelical Christians, who most fiercely proclaim to have a personal relationship with Christ, who most confidently declare their belief that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, who go to church on a regular basis, pray daily, listen to Christian music, and place God and His Only Begotten Son at the center of their lives, are simultaneously the very people most likely to reject his teachings and despise his radical message.

Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness. These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment over rehabilitation, and the governmental use of torture. Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent. And yet Evangelicals are the group of Americans most supportive of easy-access weaponry, little-to-no regulation of handgun and semi-automatic gun ownership, not to mention the violent military invasion of various countries around the world. Jesus was very clear that the pursuit of wealth was inimical to the Kingdom of God, that the rich are to be condemned, and that to be a follower of Him means to give one's money to the poor. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of corporate greed and capitalistic excess, and they are the most opposed to institutional help for the nation's poor -- especially poor children. They hate anything that smacks of "socialism," even though that is essentially what their Savior preached. They despise food stamp programs, subsidies for schools, hospitals, job training -- anything that might dare to help out those in need. Even though helping out those in need was exactly what Jesus urged humans to do. In short, Evangelicals are that segment of America which is the most pro-militaristic, pro-gun, and pro-corporate, while simultaneously claiming to be most ardent lovers of the Prince of Peace.

What's the deal?


This well-penned offering reveals far more than any tedious thread of bickering cowards could evince. :wink:

How effective has LBJ's War on Poverty been LTS ?

LTS TARD wrote:and they (evangelicals) are the most opposed to institutional help for the nation's poor -- especially poor children.

Is there a private 'segment' of our society that offers more in the way of humanitarian aid and FINANCE than the Church?

You know, from the offerings (charity) of members?

Think hard.

TARD wrote:They hate anything that smacks of "socialism," even though that is essentially what their Savior preached.

No, He didn't preach socialism.



Per norm, you are TOTALLY clueless.

Felix wrote: I just had arthroscopic surgery on my shoulder last November....total bill was $30,000+-, with my out of pocket share being about $4,800 (not including rehab, which my insurance company capped last year at $800 or prescriptions)....do you know how much rehab you can get for $800? not much, so I've had to shell out about another $1,500 for rehab and meds...fortunately, I can afford it but I know a lot of people that can't....

and I've got a pretty decent health care plan....

Uh, no you don't. I had rotator cuff surgery a couple of years ago (you can see the doctor who did it sitting at the end of the bench during any Badger basketball game). Surgery was done at University Hospital, the best in the area. I'm sure the entire bill was north of $30,000, but I never saw it. Never paid a penny out of pocket. And it's not like I have one of those gold-plated health insurance programs. Just a good HMO that a lot of people in this area carry.

Goober McTuber wrote:Uh, no you don't. I had rotator cuff surgery a couple of years ago (you can see the doctor who did it sitting at the end of the bench during any Badger basketball game). Surgery was done at University Hospital, the best in the area. I'm sure the entire bill was north of $30,000, but I never saw it. Never paid a penny out of pocket. And it's not like I have one of those gold-plated health insurance programs. Just a good HMO that a lot of people in this area carry.

well, it's the best health plan I have available, and it's much better than most of the private plans around here....but remember, I live in one of the more backwards states, so that may have something to do with it

oh and I should be pushing the vast majority of my shots to the right for most of the golf season, so as long as I can anticipate that, I should be all right

Felix wrote:fortunately, I can afford it but I know a lot of people that can't....

Doesn't mean other people should have to pay for it. So they can't throw a football anymore. Tough shit.

Now back to talking golf...

Have gotten to play 9 holes here in Indiana this year when the temp reached 55 and it wasn't too wet. Heading to Vegas for a week for work and flying to Florida on the return trip for 4 days of golf. Can't fucking wait. I'm packing my shag bag of Pro V1-X balls as my tee shots will most likely be spraying as much as Tiger Woods did upon the lower backs of many a whore.

IndyFrisco wrote:....flying to Florida on the return trip for 4 days of golf. Can't fucking wait.

:envy:
can't swing a dead cat without hitting a great fucking course down there

I went out and hit a few on the range during one of the lulls between rain/sleet/snow storms and came to the realization that I've got a long ways to go to get back to full strength....I already give up distance to younger guys and can't afford to give up any more

IndyFrisco wrote:

Felix wrote:fortunately, I can afford it but I know a lot of people that can't....

Doesn't mean other people should have to pay for it. So they can't throw a football anymore. Tough shit.

If I believed in fairy tales I would cite the parable of the camel and the eye of a needle. But I don't. Do you believe in fairy tales?

Now back to talking golf...

Have gotten to play 9 holes here in Indiana this year when the temp reached 55 and it wasn't too wet. Heading to Vegas for a week for work and flying to Florida on the return trip for 4 days of golf. Can't fucking wait. I'm packing my shag bag of Pro V1-X balls as my tee shots will most likely be spraying as much as Tiger Woods did upon the lower backs of many a whore.

Pretty much anywhere in the American south is golf nirvana. Even Mississippi and Alabama have stepped their game up.

Felix wrote::envy:
can't swing a dead cat without hitting a great fucking course down there

These are the courses that swallow up our golf balls. Not the U&L (ahem!) by any means, but it's our home away from home.

http://www.bonitabayhighrises.com/Golf.aspx

Basically, it is fairway or lost ball. We play lost balls here as lateral hazzards. Yeah, it's cheating, but some people we bring would have a 6 hour round if they played everything stroke and distance.

BSmack wrote:If I believed in fairy tales I would cite the parable of the camel and the eye of a needle. But I don't. Do you believe in fairy tales?

No need to mix me up with poptart nor use something you don't believe in as strength for your argument.

IndyFrisco wrote:

BSmack wrote:If I believed in fairy tales I would cite the parable of the camel and the eye of a needle. But I don't. Do you believe in fairy tales?

No need to mix me up with poptart nor use something you don't believe in as strength for your argument.

I'm just curious as to how you reconcile your "fuck em" attitude with any potential faith issues you might have going on. Did I strike a nerve?

felix, your healthcare plan sucks ass. so does mine.

i've never had to have anything that major done, thankfully. infact, i'm still waiting for my first stitch. but, i did have a colonoscopy done a few years back and ended up having to pay 800 bucks out of pocket.

the question you must ask is why does it suck so bad. and how is it fixed?

one option would be a single payer socialized system. to be honest, i'd rather go with this than the forced private shit obama is trying to jam up our ass. problem is, it means a new army of gubmint paper pushing hacks and rationing. EOS.

there is another way to get health insurance to suck less. re-establish an actual customer/service provider relationship. you will get shit service in any transaction when you have no choice of provider. our current clusterfukk of a system has caused this very thing to happen.

what do you 'spose would happen if you could buy your health insurance in an open market and providers were rated by their customers. why the fukk should they pay every dime. where you gonna go? you got jack shit to say about it. your healthcare provider was arranged, prolly on the golf course in vegas by someone high up in your company with someone high up at the insurance company. neither of these fukks give a shit about you.

it really is quite simple. you will get service as good as you are able to demand. and the best way to demand something is with a threat to take your bidness elsewhere.

why the fukk this isn't painfully obvious to everyone is beyond me.

and save your economy of scale arguments. they don't apply to something as personal as healthcare. your employer does not get a better deal on rotator cuff surgery by lining up 50 employees to do it in one big operating room.

The only faith issues I have is my lack of faith with our current administration. By no means can you strike a nerve with me except in the voting booth perhaps. Tell me, why do you feel the need to justify your position on something using something you do not believe in as leverage? Truman nailed it with the "constantly moving the goalposts" comment.

But since you don't believe in fairy tales and believe in science...survival of the fittest mean anything to you (or natural selection...whatever?) Now I'm not going to get into a big scientific discussion on the merits of either, but the concept of survival at a high level suit me fine. And since I'm not really into science...simply, what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours. Every time big government tries to dig deeper in my pockets, the harder I will fight to keep it. I've quit giving to charities until the governement quits playing Salvation Army. So there...that's how I reconcile my "fuck em" attitude. I still give to my local community because these are the people I care about. Some hobo on the street in Chicago should never see a penny of mine unless I drop it in his fucking cup...or in other words, by my choice.

IndyFrisco wrote:The only faith issues I have is my lack of faith with our current administration. By no means can you strike a nerve with me except in the voting booth perhaps. Tell me, why do you feel the need to justify your position on something using something you do not believe in as leverage? Truman nailed it with the "constantly moving the goalposts" comment.

What would make you think I am justifying anything? I was simply asking you a question. But, since you want to know, my justification for a single payer system is twofold. One, it is more cost effective. There are reams of documentation showing that we outspend every industrialized country in the world on a per capita basis and as a percentage of GDP on health care. And for what? It is not like we live any longer than these other folks. Secondly, I believe the continued devolution of the middle class into non-existence is a bad thing. The pay of all but the highest earners has stagnated since the days of Reagan. Compounding the problem is the always present Sword of Damocles that high health care costs present to lower and middle class families. I dare say that even someone of your means would have a problem were you to incur a 7 figure health care debt. You might have to scale down to 10 TVs and only two SUVs. A single payer system eliminates that problem.

BSmack wrote: And for what?

The best health care in the world. Funny how Euros and 3rd world assholes always come to the US to have complicated procedures performed. Funny how it is America pharmaceutical firms that are on the cutting edge of new drug development.

It is not like we live any longer than these other folks.

Of course we do. The tens of millions of totally useless nigggers and ignorant, tubercular peons from Mexico not so much. They tend to skew the results.

I dare say that even someone of your means would have a problem were you to incur a 7 figure health care debt.

That's what bankruptcy is for.

If I believed in fairy tales I would cite the parable of the camel and the eye of a needle.

The parable of the camel and the eye of the needle (Matthew 19:16-30) doesn't have to do with a person needing to give their 'riches' to the poor.

It has to do with what you place in your heart.

The rich man was sorrowful (v.22) when Jesus told him to give up all his possessions and follow Him - because those possessions were what he kept as central in his heart.

Everything other than Christ is rubbish - Philippians 3:8, because everything is in Christ.


Jesus is the Christ.
Material possessions are not the Christ.

Give BSmack a break he seems to be suffering from delusion.

On one hand he says he doesn't believe in fairy tales, on the other he support and assert Government's ability to care and tend to the poor.


Like that has EVER happened in real life, well, where the poor survived anyway. Plenty of government haven "taken care" of the poor before - permanantly.

Tom In VA wrote:On one hand he says he doesn't believe in fairy tales, on the other he support and assert Government's ability to care and tend to the poor.

Well the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs have both been resounding success stories you have to admit. No doubt the War on Poor Healthcare will be equally successful at a bargain price.

B, you are right in that we spend more than everyone else currently. partly because we have the best fukking healthcare in the world, partly because we have a fukked up health insurance system. 50 years ago when people paid their doctors directly for services rendered, we paid a damn site less. also doctors back then did not have to play defensive medicine as they do today. THIS is where the euros kick our ass. they have managed to keep their tort system under control much better than we.

i would actually be OK with a single payer system for catastrophic type stuff, because it's a little tougher for the scammers to get away with fake heart by-passes. but, as soon as you put everything under a single payer system, the scammers will have a field day, as they do currently with medicaid/care. there is just no fukking way to have a system where docs can get paid by someone other than the patient and not have it rife with corruption.

IndyFrisco wrote: We play lost balls here as lateral hazzards. Yeah, it's cheating, but some people we bring would have a 6 hour round if they played everything stroke and distance.

it's not cheating if everybody plays the same game....and if anybody's turning in those scores for handicaps, they're only cheating themselves....fuck six hour rounds, I'd be putting them in the group in fronts back pocket if they were on pace for a 6-hour round...it's bad enough playing those fucking rounds in tournaments....

Tom In VA wrote: On one hand he says he doesn't believe in fairy tales, on the other he support and assert Government's ability to care and tend to the poor.

so your solution is to do nothing?

right now you can afford it, but if health care costs keep escalating at the present rate, it won't be long before only the very wealthy will be able to afford to pay for coverage....

my coverage this year is worse than it was last year, which was worse than it was the year before-you'd expect that with reduced benefits, the costs would be lowered, yet my premiums don't seem to be keeping pace with reduction in coverage....

so what part of that equation do you figure is sustainable?

Felix wrote:so what part of that equation do you figure is sustainable?

The part where we shed useless eaters. Think of all the carbon emmissions that can be saved for the low, low price of....nothing. The planet is way over-populated, right? Isn't that what you hand-wringing libtarded slapdicks always tell us? So what's the problem?

Tom In VA wrote:Give BSmack a break he seems to be suffering from delusion.

On one hand he says he doesn't believe in fairy tales, on the other he support and assert Government's ability to care and tend to the poor. Like that has EVER happened in real life, well, where the poor survived anyway. Plenty of government haven "taken care" of the poor before - permanantly.

Plenty of governments have a cradle to grave safety net that includes either a single payer or nationalized health care system. And they all pay LESS as both a percentage of GDP and per capita than we do for health care. And in return our medical outcomes are no better than theirs. What about this makes you think keeping our current model, with or without Obama's half measure of change, is a good idea?

BSmack wrote:Plenty of governments have a cradle to grave safety net that includes either a single payer or nationalized health care system.

And how is that working out for them? The only ones that aren't assfucked by the costs are the ones with stable demographic situation with little to no immigration.

You're a fucking idiot.

mvscal wrote:

BSmack wrote:Plenty of governments have a cradle to grave safety net that includes either a single payer or nationalized health care system.

And how is that working out for them? The only ones that aren't assfucked by the costs are the ones with stable demographic situation with little to no immigration. You're a fucking idiot.

You mean like Canada? Germany?

Give me a fucking break.

mvscal wrote:
The part where we shed useless eaters.

well first we need to find out who the "useless eaters" are and secondly, what's the plan for ridding ourselves of them?

Think of all the carbon emmissions that can be saved for the low, low price of....nothing. The planet is way over-populated, right? Isn't that what you hand-wringing libtarded slapdicks always tell us? So what's the problem?

switch gears much?
if other countries are overpopulated, well that's their problem not ours...but what does that have to do with healthcare in this country?

Felix wrote:well first we need to find out who the "useless eaters" are and secondly, what's the plan for ridding ourselves of them?

:paul:





Banning did work for a while.